why can’t I do a hard return with the text tool?

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JohannaBerger
May 9, 2007
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I am trying to do a hard return in my paragraph box and every time I hit enter it kicks me out of the text box. My guess is this is a quick fix but I can’t figure it out. Any help appreciated.

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Phosphor
May 9, 2007
SHIFT + Return.
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JohannaBerger
May 9, 2007
didn’t work. still kicks me out.
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Phosphor
May 9, 2007
Dunno what to tell you.

Shift + Return has performed a hard C.R. in Photoshop (and in many other apps) for a long time.
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Joe_Zydeco
May 9, 2007
Hmmm. In CS3, with a standard keyboard, the BigEnter key does a CR+LF, while the one on the numeric pad, which I’ll call NumEnter, commits the paragraph. Ctrl-BigEnter or Shift-NumEnter will also commit.

If you’re on a laptop, you have only a single Enter key, which may be committing against your wishes. Try entering the ASCII code (013) directly. I don’t know how to do that on a laptop, but on a desktop keyboard, you hold Alt down and sequentially tap 0, then 1, then 3. On a laptop, maybe it’s the Fn key instead of Alt. Also, if yours is a laptop, you might check its BIOS settings to see whether you can alter the behavior of the Enter key.
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dave_milbut
May 9, 2007
Fn Enter works on my laptop…
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JohannaBerger
May 9, 2007
I am on a laptop. I was wondering if that had anything to do with it. I tried the alt 013 as well as Fn 013, neither worked.

Not sure what the BIOS settings are. Can you explain a bit?

Thanks!
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JohannaBerger
May 9, 2007
tried that too. It doesn’t work. Thanks though.
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JohannaBerger
May 9, 2007
I just hooked up another keyboard and it worked. Thanks for your help.
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John Joslin
May 9, 2007
I tried the alt 013 as well as Fn 013, neither worked.

I think you need Fn+ Alt +013 but I don’t have my laptop here to confirm it.

(It probably differs from laptop to laptop too.)
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ID._Awe
May 9, 2007
Re: "Shift + Return has performed a hard C.R. in Photoshop (and in many other apps) for a long time."

Shift + Return performs a soft return, and has for a long time.
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Phosphor
May 9, 2007
Ok, then…I had the key combo right, and the concept right, I just used the wrong name. I always had those two terms confused, never sure I was right either way.

A little extra research and reading just now has embedded the difference and assures me I’ll never confuse them again.

🙂
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Joe_Zydeco
May 10, 2007
Are we on the same [text] page here? 🙂

[Below, I equate BigEnter to the one above the right Shift key, and NumEnter to the one in the Numeric Pad. Neither is an official name–I coined those terms only to avoid adding further confusion.]

On my desktop comfuser, BigEnter or Shift-BigEnter does a soft return, while Ctrl-BigEnter or NumEnter alone does a hard return.
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ID._Awe
May 10, 2007
Joe: Hmmm, always has been:

"BigEnter" is hard return, "ShiftBigEnter" is a soft return. "BigEnter" & "NumEnter" are equivalent.

"Ctrl+eitherEnter" will give you a page break.

Do page layouts so this is second nature to me. Do it without thinking.
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Joe_Zydeco
May 10, 2007
Seems I had it right in #4, but forgot that I posted that, and totally borked it in #12. The longer I live, the shorter my memory gets! So please, let’s ignore my post #12.

But I think we still differ in definitions. Here’s how I see it:

1) A Hard Return is hex 0D0A (CR, LF) and is generated by pressing BigEnter or Shift-BigEnter.
2) A Soft Return is a text wrap generated by the software when a line becomes full. This cannot be generated from the keyboard.
3) Either NumEnter or Ctrl-BigEnter will commit the text and close the text box.

BigEnter and NumEnter are not equivalent; only the latter commits.

Ctrl-eitherEnter does a page break in word processing and page layout, but there is no such thing as a Page Break in a Photoshop text box.

Unless I am missing some invisible code, BigEnter and Shift-BigEnter create exactly the same result (Hard Return).

Who’s on first? 🙂
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ID._Awe
May 10, 2007
Joe: not you!
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Joe_Zydeco
May 10, 2007
"Joe: not you us!"

But I have mashed the "J" key, I have run the mouse over my forehead, and I am now healed, brother! Wherefore art thou? (spake the Joe-ster)
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dave_milbut
May 10, 2007
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CS3Agent
May 11, 2007
isn’t there also the chance of the text field being too small? hence appearing to kick him out of the text field?

or am i kicking in open doors here?

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