HELP WITH THIS PHOTO

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PATRICIA_TOWNSEND
Jun 8, 2007
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< http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=10FtNp9MYvujOp78xv A3lMOcvuylr0> This is the first time that i tried this lighting setup and i would like some suggestions on how to improve these photos using photoshop.Any Ideas?
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Heather Bell
Jun 8, 2007
I think we’d need to know exactly what aspects of the photo you wanted to change or improve in order to be of any assistance, as well as version of Photoshop you’re using and any other technical information that may be pertinent.
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PATRICIA_TOWNSEND
Jun 8, 2007
< http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1YiktgqK9lSMOOVUjp ppWm0IOyOvG> Any suggestions,other than not use gel light.I would like suggestions on how to improve pic using photoshop.
thanks
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PATRICIA_TOWNSEND
Jun 8, 2007
< http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1Uh7X62TzMfYEZq2Rv oWWnoFgrpk> Suggestions on improving using photoshop?
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Bernie
Jun 8, 2007
Please define ‘improve’
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Phosphor
Jun 8, 2007
That was my thought, CyNo.

"Improve" is just too subjective a concept.

I can think of many current digital artists who would say that grunging it up or making it look like an anime cell (to use just a couple of hyperbolic examples) would be an improvement.

Would it?

To them, sure.
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Donald_Reese
Jun 8, 2007
I agree on subjective and this is a 2 minute attempt at something. i only went this route because you were asking about high key the other day. your background looks like some cheap piece of sheeting and does not compliment the girls,in my opinion. i tried to just blow out the background here,but maybe its not what you were looking for.

< http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1H0kRqJk42RcnoHs3W CUwbrU9nQi>
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PATRICIA_TOWNSEND
Jun 8, 2007
Donald, my background in cloth with rubberbacking.Most of the shots that i did with it looks ok but these show wrinkles.What method did u use to blow out the background?
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PATRICIA_TOWNSEND
Jun 8, 2007
I dont like the wrinkles in the background.I would also like to have a dreamy look.
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Thundercross
Jun 8, 2007
Can I ask what lighting equipment you used? From the pictures point of view the quality of the light is soft, and very even it’s so nice!!!! How did you do it? Softboxes?

Could you perhaps pls provide a lighting scheme of your setups? 🙂 I ask cause I battle to get even soft light like that…
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PATRICIA_TOWNSEND
Jun 8, 2007
< http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1s6OZxPXZB295klpmc hD5qkra5Lqth> reflected off of foam boards.I’m not one to be giving advice,I’m learning and this is the first time using the boards.
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Thundercross
Jun 8, 2007
Super cool!!:-)

What wattages were you using?

Im also learning…
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PATRICIA_TOWNSEND
Jun 9, 2007
I also used a background light but if i dont like it.I metered most of the shots a 8.0 with the background metering at f11.I shot it at f11.I like the lighting with the closeup that i shot but not the full body shots.
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Donald_Reese
Jun 9, 2007
First, if you wanted the background to blow out, you should have gone with the reading off her face and not the backdrop. from your diagram,i assume you were not trying to blow out the background,and now that i think about it, how could you get f8 on her and f11 on background using that setup? must have had more lights behind her.

To blow out the background,i simply duped the layer on screen mode and brushed the girl back in normal. here is gaussian blur and diffuse glow added to dreamy effect maybe?

< http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1bt4d9PUbHX5hse3gm pjoFk8Lvyc0>
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PATRICIA_TOWNSEND
Jun 9, 2007
Donald, yes i did did have background light and forgot to add that to diagram but told told thundercross that i used the background light.
Thanks for the info.I will try this.Nice
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barry_gray
Jun 9, 2007
Try this out:
<http://www.innographx.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1017>
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Fred_Nirque
Jun 9, 2007
Try hitting the background with a direct light on full power (prop it on the floor behind the model facing the background). If the background is still too prominent, pull the boards further back, and put two lights on the background direct and only bounce two off the boards. It’s all a matter of ratios.

If you’re metering at f/8 you’ve got up to two stops to play with in losing light from the front. Your meter should have the subject at f/4 to f/5.6 and the background at f/11 to f/16 to start getting this dreamy effect.

when I suggested that lighting setup as a starting point, I assumed you had a bright white seamless paper background. Even then the suggested background light will be necessary.

You’re on the right track, but you must get that background to overexpose by a good margin . The aim is to get the dress to be darker than the background, not as it is now where it is lighter. That way you’ll see more detail in the dress as well. The hit of light from the overexposed backdrop will also soften the edges and hair, helping you on your way to the dreamy look you’re chasing.

Also, try overexposing the subject by a third or half stop. Her skin is still too "normal" for a high key effect.

You should be able to get close to what Donald has done with the lighting alone, and the effect he has there is along the lines of what I was seeing in my mind’s eye. The shadowless flatness of the front light is perfect, however.

Again, with some experimentation you should be able to get a similar result with lights and exposure alone and without too much Photoshoppery.
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Thundercross
Jun 9, 2007
Thanks, Im just listening on the side, learning some neat things here. 🙂 I have a pic for a catalogue of electronic equipment and would like some critiscm/feedback on the picture as it stands.

I would like to know how to better it in terms of the lighting…

< http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1A82CwYy0GJECcibvL uy3xcU3aWRB>
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PATRICIA_TOWNSEND
Jun 9, 2007
Barry, thanks for that link,interesting.
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PATRICIA_TOWNSEND
Jun 9, 2007
The photo with the cigar, I would like the effect of a lit Cigar with a firey red tip and a small swirl of smoke.Any suggestion ?
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PATRICIA_TOWNSEND
Jun 9, 2007
Heather,Mainly the backdrop in all 3 photos.I wanted a dreamy look and not the wrinkles.I had one light on backdrop and it was to close to backdrop which made it very uneven and not white enough.The photo with the cigar, I would the the lit cigar effect.
Donald and Fred has given me enough info to repair these and told me what not to do or what to do when shooting next time.
Any suggestions?
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PATRICIA_TOWNSEND
Jun 9, 2007
IM using CS2.
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Fred_Nirque
Jun 9, 2007
You could also replace the background with scrunched up tulle (you’ll need lots of it!) and put the light behind that pointing at the camera. This will blast it out with a cloud-like effect and give you a stronger backlight effect.

If possible, maybe you should overexpose the model in a few shots and drop them back to black and white. Overexposed skin colour looks a bit anemic, but looks like alabaster in B&W. High key is a lot easier to get a result with in B&W than it is in colour.
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Heather Bell
Jun 11, 2007
Ahh, dreamy. Well, quick fixes are things I like, so I take full advantage of the lovely built in filters in Photoshop when applicable. For example, below, this took less than two minutes:
Apply diffuse glow
Add lense flares with varied brightness
dodge highlights on face and skin to brighten her up
< http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1INQQemAuGDS5rgIao syR3zFeg80A>

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