Where do you see a green CD?
I’m nowhere near my old PS6 CD but the lot number of the CD near the inner circle might be verified by someone that is near their own copy:
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Bogus eBay sellers usually have very little feedback and a short history on eBay. This seller seems to have been there a while. I doubt a pirate can last on ebay since May-16-01.
Is the legit Photoshop 6 CD always green? Or is that just the Academic version?
I don’t think there were different disks for the Academic version. It is the same, with the only difference in the licensing rules.
That posting has a lot of good things about it, but the $10 minimum bid scares me. I would think $100 is a more reasonable legit bid.
But it is through PayPal, and they claim to have a guarantee up to $2000. You might read up on those rules, and see if they would cover you if you don’t get an unregistered, registerable license, as promised.
If I recall correctly, the PS6 CDs did have ‘Educational Version’ marked on them if they were ed versions.
My original PS6 was green if I recall correctly.
If you buy it, and even if you are able to register it, You’ll no longer be able to upgrade from it as the upgrade path has since been limited to three versions back (PS7).
That posting has a lot of good things about it, but the $10 minimum bid scares me. I would think $100 is a more reasonable legit bid.
Not anymore. You can’t use it to upgrade so it’s really not worth much at all.
Bob
Adobe does care they want there money.
That said it is possible to get an older copy off eBay. I would check the sellers feedback and I would look at all negative and neutral that deal with the sale of software. If there is a single negative or neutral dealing with the sale of software I would keep looking. I would also make sure the buyer has made a large number of sales with lots of positive feedback. However, feedback even position doesn’t really mean a whole lot at least not in my opinion it is like reading reviews and users reviews you have use them as part of your overall decsision process not the entire process.
I would also also that he e-mail you scans of the disc (to make sure it is a real disc) and that he e-mail you a scan of the label on the box, Adobe puts labels usually on the bottom that has information like if it was a retail copy or something else. I would keep these images and all correpsondance between you and seller (even stuff you send him/her) this way you have proof should there be a problem. Then and only then would I consider bidding or buying.
I would NOT buy an OEM, NFR, Demo, or anything that mentions crack or key generator. The odds are very high that these will not be legit copies (the crack and key generator ones are 100% illegal) the others have a much higher chance of being illegal). I also wouldn’t spend a whole lot. Version 6 is worth in my opinion less than $50. I would make sure that it has all of the packaging and that it is NOT an upgrade. An upgrade is going mean you will have to have at least the previous version 5.5 or 5.0.
Robert
I agree w/bob. being unupgradable i wouldn’t pay more than 10 or 20 bux for version 6.
Not that it Matters with Photoshop 6 as that version is not upgradeable but keep in mind educational license in non transferable.
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Not that it Matters with Photoshop 6 as that version is not upgradeable but keep in mind educational license in non transferable.
Totally forgot about the educational packages. Not only are the non-transferable but you can’t do commercial work with them either. Legally speaking that is even if they were transferable.
Robert
but you can’t do commercial work with them either
That’s not what I heard!
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Professional/commercial use
Student question "I’m very interested in buying the Education version of Adobe Creative Suite, but first I want to know if the software can be used to produce work for paying customers once I am working in the industry, or do I have to buy a different version of Creative Suite once I’m working in the industry?
Answer Good news! You can use Adobe Education software (any title!) to produce commercial/professional paid-for work when you leave school, or even while you are in school. In this regard, Adobe does not limit how student software is used. So students can use it to learn and to make money!
(Of course, students must agree to the terms of the End User Licensing Agreement which appears during installation just as every software customer must do.)
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you can’t do commercial work with them either.<<
There is NO restriction in the EULA as to what purposes an Academic Licensed copy is used for. The restiction is on who is entitled to purchase an Academic License.
Wow, thanks for all the feedback!
The non-upgradeability factor doesn’t concern me. PS6 is a good match for my computer and I’m not likely to upgrade my computer (although I might someday switch to an iMac, which can now run Windows programs quite nicely).
What does concern me is sending money to someone who is just duplicating an original copy of Photoshop. They might show an original disc in the picture, but send me a burned CD copy. That did happen to me with a different software title. Worked fine, registered fine, but obviously a copied CD.
I don’t know how these power sellers are doing it, but I suspect it’s not worth the trouble of companies like Adobe to go after these people when it involves very old software. Or maybe these sellers have legitimate licenses, I just can’t find anything to verify or even suggest either way.
I’m also a little surprised Adobe would still register PS6 since it’s no longer supported.
I don’t know how these power sellers are doing it
I suspect that they aren’t. I reported a pirate seller once and the eBay account was closed quickly. I doubt someone selling pirated software would have had an account with eBay this long.
I’m also a little surprised Adobe would still register PS6 since it’s no longer supported
Registration is different than activation. You are not required to register this software to use it.
Then what you heard was wrong. Adobe sells the educational packages for people to learn on not buy at 1/3 the price and then turn around and make money from it.
Robert
Nice. Adobe apparently have changed things. Seems kind of dumb. Sell a $600 product for one 1/3 the cost and then allow them to use it to make a living. Next time I need a new version I will just sign up for a class at my local junior collage, buy the software and hay I am set. Nice of Adobe to make it so easy to get non-upgrades so cheap.
Robert
That is why I said to have them send you scans of the disc and the bottom of the box. No disc scan and not box for the bottom label scan and I wouldn’t touch it. Even if it did turn out to be an illegal copy you have the proof to use with eBay and your credit card company that shows you knew what you wanted, your were told you were getting what you wanted and then the seller cheated you. Things will be much easier if you have proof the seller is a fraud. By not asking for the scans you will have a hard time prooving that you didn’t want a copy or didn’t care if it was a copy or not.
Robert
You’re dead wrong on this Robert.
Adobe academic licenses have always allowed commercial use.
Bob
Why register it. You can’t get upgrades for any version of Photoshop older than 7 so there is no point in registering. What you want to do is make sure you have a legit copy (real disc, boxes, manuals, etc.) there is a difference between a real Adobe produced copy and a scumbags illegl copy. Registration is a moot point, you also I doubt will get support for it without paying for it so registration again is a moot point. But, getting a legit package isn’t.
As for the educational version, it is nice that Adobe allows commerical use of the educational versions now. However, it is still illegal for a non-student to buy an educational version even if it is an old out of production version. Educational versions are for students. So I wouldn’t buy an educational version no matter unless I was in school and could prove that I was and I was taking a class that needed it.
Robert
Academic versions are sold to qualifying students and EDUCATORS.
There is no limit on commercial use and they are exactly the same as the full commercial version. If you’re legally eligible to buy it you’d have to be fool not to.
Bob
So I wasn’t wrong then?
Hah!
I think Adobe expects professionals to require the latest and greatest version, and since an academic license cannot be upgraded to a commercial license eventually those students who become professionals will purchase the full-price product and upgrade from there.
and since an academic license cannot be upgraded to a commercial license
Once again…The only restriction on an academic license is that it cannot be transfered. It can certainly be used to upgrade to to a commercial version.
Example: You were a student who purchased the academic license to CS2. You’re no longer eligible for academic pricing but you can certainly upgrade to CS3 the same as someone who bought CS2 commercial version.
Bob
You are so correct! Definitely worthwhile to take a class at your local community college…
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http://www.adobe.com/education/purchasing/faq.html> FAQ from the Adobe site:
Student question
What happens after I graduate? If a new version comes out that I want to buy, do I have to buy the full new retail version or can I save money and just buy the retail upgrade?
Answer
You are able to continue to use your Education version serial number when you leave school to upgrade to future commercially priced versions if you want to, rather than having to buy the next full version. So you save money now while you are a student, and also after you graduate!
Nice. Adobe apparently have changed things.
nothing changed robert. i bought v6 edu as part of the ‘dynamic media collection’ (ps, illy, premire and after effect) the whole suite cost me 600 bux as an edu verison and there was no restriction on it as per use or upgradability at all. the only restriction was "no resale". i think the stand alone ps6 edu was like a hundred or 120 or near that at the time.
However, it is still illegal for a non-student to buy an educational version even if it is an old out of production version. Educational versions are for students.
that’s still true. (also includes teachers and school admins, iirc, not just students.) i was working full time and taking 12 credits/semester at the time i bought my collection.
, and since an academic license cannot be upgraded to a commercial license
bob L. is correct again. i upgraded from v6 edu full to v7 standard upgrade version w/no problem at all.
Definitely worthwhile to take a class at your local community college…
for sure! (and for more reasons than cheap software! XD )
Yeah get into college and take a spelling class. Then you can buy an ED version.
if you’re like me you can get a special ed version! 🙂
The drawback to buying ed versions is that I don’t recall there ever being ed-priced upgrades. (Although the full ed license has been cheaper than the retail upgrade price) As an educator, I am always buying new licenses instead of upgrading. I’ve got more licenses than I have computers to run them on.
But this whole ‘educational’ discussion seems irrelevant. I’m pretty sure the CD noted in the eBay link is not an educational version since it lacks the words ‘educational version’ on it. But if the full retail CDs were green, I wonder exactly what this CD is.
$10 would be worth the experiment. If it is bogus, you can complain to eBay and shut them down. Since no one has complained already, I would be more inclined to think that this is no pirate.
The company that did not allow Commercial use of an Educational product was Macromedia’s policy not Adobe’s. Now that Adobe bought Macromedia Adobe’s policy wins.
The drawback to buying ed versions is that I don’t recall there ever being ed-priced upgrades. (Although the full ed license has been cheaper than the retail upgrade price)
I think that’s the point. 🙂
The company that did not allow Commercial use of an Educational product was Macromedia’s policy not Adobe’s. Now that Adobe bought Macromedia Adobe’s policy wins.
for now… (at least SOMEthing went well with the merger! <g>)
Conclude all you want. I can conclude that the buyers are getting pirated copies that do work and so they don’t care.
You pointed out an educational version that sold. Again…that’s a violation of the EULA making anything else they do highly questionable.
Bob
$10 would be worth the experiment. If it is bogus, you can complain to
eBay and shut them down.
These are hot selling items, going for over $100 typically – an ed version sold recently for $163 I think it was. So at my income level I cannot justify it as an experiment, and I really have no interest in going after someone because I don’t need that kind of stress.
Thanks again for all your comments. I think I’ve been responsible trying to avoid a pirated copy, and I think a reasonable person can conclude the Ebay power sellers in question are selling legitimate products.
an ed version sold recently for $163 I think it was
as was stated above, you can do a lot of things with an edu version, but transferring the license is not one of them. therefore that was an illegal sale and the person who bought it isn’t legally allowed to use it. (not to mention the fact that the edu version from a legal source is probably going for about that anyway.)
Conclude all you want. I can conclude that the buyers are getting pirated copies that do work and so they don’t care.
yup.
Well I have to give you credit for doing the research and getting feedback and ideas before doing it. That is more than most does. Will this translate in to a legit copy I the jury is still out. I however, would NOT under any conditions pay $163.00 for Photoshop 6 (this was the version you were talking about). Before I would do that I would buy Photoshop Elements 5.0 and then once I had the money (an assuming Adobe still allows the upgrade) upgrade to Photoshop CS3. If your system is the problem then instead of taking a chance on wasting a $100 or more on dead obsolete software I would see about upgrading it the best you can more memory would be a good place to start and it is fairly cheap. The processor maybe a bit slow (I don’t know what you have for a computer) but that is something one can live with. More memory would be where I would start.
Another option if the computer is the issue is getting one of the cheap $500 or less systems. Even a system of this level will handle Photoshop Elements and even Photoshop just fine.
Whatever you decided to do I wish you all the best in luck.
Robert
Before I would do that I would buy Photoshop Elements 5.0
heartily agreed! good post robert!
i’d hazard a guess that elements 5 can run circles around photoshop 6 except in very specific and pro printing slanted areas.
