WOW!…Photoshop pirates

But I have been deluged with E-mail offers from guys selling CD-R copies of the installation disk together with assertions that the program is fully registerable and upgradable. This isn’t an old copy plus a sealed upgrade package…these guys seem like outright thieves!
How does eBay allow what seems to be self-evident theft and perhaps fraud?

Ebay has no way of knowing what offers are made to you through email. If you accept one of these offers it is you and the seller that is breaking the law (if they are illegal copies), not Ebay. If you feel strongly about this issue you can always forward the email addresses of the sellers to Adobe and let then check on the validity of the offered software.

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:39:47 -0400, Pixmaker
wrote:

I recently bid on several Photoshop auctions at eBay – didn’t win qany of them.

But I have been deluged with E-mail offers from guys selling CD-R copies of the installation disk together with assertions that the program is fully registerable and upgradable. This isn’t an old copy plus a sealed upgrade package…these guys seem like outright thieves!
How does eBay allow what seems to be self-evident theft and perhaps fraud?

Since ebay cannot monitor all auctions, they rely on people like us to report such abuse..

You should report these people including their username..

************************************************************ ******* ************************************************************ ******* Colyn Goodson
Ft. Worth, Texas

http://home.swbell.net/colyng

Updated with new photos
http://www.colyngoodson.com

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:38:32 -0400, "Markyt" wrote:

But I have been deluged with E-mail offers from guys selling CD-R copies of the installation disk together with assertions that the program is fully registerable and upgradable. This isn’t an old copy plus a sealed upgrade package…these guys seem like outright thieves!
How does eBay allow what seems to be self-evident theft and perhaps fraud?

Ebay has no way of knowing what offers are made to you through email. If you accept one of these offers it is you and the seller that is breaking the law (if they are illegal copies), not Ebay. If you feel strongly about this issue you can always forward the email addresses of the sellers to Adobe and let then check on the validity of the offered software.

I’ve heard that some companies (mainly entertainment looking for pirates) have people on staff who ask/offer things like this in the attempt to catch folks in illegal activites. Don’t know if it’s true or not but you can’t go wrong forwarding the info to Adobe.

K

Are you that out of touch with reality???? They do not, it is just that they are so big and they can not control what goes on in the rest of the world. Grow up!

"Pixmaker" wrote in message

I recently bid on several Photoshop auctions at eBay – didn’t win qany of them.

But I have been deluged with E-mail offers from guys selling CD-R copies of the installation disk together with assertions that the program is fully registerable and upgradable. This isn’t an old copy plus a sealed upgrade package…these guys seem like outright thieves!
How does eBay allow what seems to be self-evident theft and perhaps fraud?

DaveinFLL
==========================
It’s not the heat, it’s the humidity!
==========================
(Think the humidity’s bad?
You should watch us vote!)

On 16 Oct 2003 01:57:17 GMT, Kristine wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:38:32 -0400, "Markyt" wrote:

I’ve heard that some companies (mainly entertainment looking for pirates) have people on staff who ask/offer things like this in the attempt to catch folks in illegal activites. Don’t know if it’s true or not but you can’t go wrong forwarding the info to Adobe.

Wouldn’t that be considered entrapment? The act of offering something illegal in the attempt to get someone to ‘bite’?
I don’t condone piracy, but I feel this is over the top.

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:34:25 -0400, Roy Petersen <> scribbled:

On 16 Oct 2003 01:57:17 GMT, Kristine wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:38:32 -0400, "Markyt" wrote:

I’ve heard that some companies (mainly entertainment looking for pirates) have people on staff who ask/offer things like this in the attempt to catch folks in illegal activites. Don’t know if it’s true or not but you can’t go wrong forwarding the info to Adobe.

Wouldn’t that be considered entrapment? The act of offering something

It’s only entrapment if it’s done by a law enforcement agency.

illegal in the attempt to get someone to ‘bite’?

Have you been living under a rock? Cops dress up like hookers and bust Johns all the time. Cops pose as drug dealers, car thieves, people selling stolen property, etc. etc.

I don’t condone piracy, but I feel this is over the top.

Welcome to our planet, when did you arrive?

<Roy Petersen> wrote in message

On 16 Oct 2003 01:57:17 GMT, Kristine wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:38:32 -0400, "Markyt"

wrote:

I’ve heard that some companies (mainly entertainment looking for pirates)

have people on staff who

ask/offer things like this in the attempt to catch folks in illegal

activites. Don’t know if it’s

true or not but you can’t go wrong forwarding the info to Adobe.

Wouldn’t that be considered entrapment? The act of offering something illegal in the attempt to get someone to ‘bite’?
I don’t condone piracy, but I feel this is over the top.

Not in the USA, it is common practice.

Stephan

Just give the seller a BAD vote.
If everyone did it then most people would stop bidding.

Keefy

"Pixmaker" wrote in message

I recently bid on several Photoshop auctions at eBay – didn’t win qany of them.

But I have been deluged with E-mail offers from guys selling CD-R copies of the installation disk together with assertions that the program is fully registerable and upgradable. This isn’t an old copy plus a sealed upgrade package…these guys seem like outright thieves!
How does eBay allow what seems to be self-evident theft and perhaps fraud?

DaveinFLL
==========================
It’s not the heat, it’s the humidity!
==========================
(Think the humidity’s bad?
You should watch us vote!)

Keefy wrote:

Just give the seller a BAD vote.
If everyone did it then most people would stop bidding.

Keefy

You can only give feedback to a seller if you win the auction. Since Pixmaker didn’t win the auction(s) he cannot give them negative feedback.

I don’t know of anyway to learn someone’s email address on eBay unless one sells an item or win an auction (unless your eBay nickname includes your email address). This makes me wonder if the bogus emails are from the sellers of some of these items (as a seller you can see the emails of the bidders). Pixmaker would be well advised to contact eBay’s SafeHarbor service. eBay do not like people doing this because it detracts from the image of eBay and more importantly their revenue stream.

JP

Just give the seller a BAD vote.
If everyone did it then most people would stop bidding.

Apparently you’ve never used ebay, as you have to buy something before you can leave a user feedback.

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:10:03 GMT, Voivod wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:34:25 -0400, Roy Petersen <> scribbled:

On 16 Oct 2003 01:57:17 GMT, Kristine wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:38:32 -0400, "Markyt" wrote:

snipped

It’s only entrapment if it’s done by a law enforcement agency.

snipped

Have you been living under a rock? Cops dress up like hookers and bust Johns all the time. Cops pose as drug dealers, car thieves, people selling stolen property, etc. etc.

You’re contradicting yourself…. is it illegal for law enforcement to dress up as hookers, drug dealers and thieves or is it not…???

K ~ wonders why they still do it, if it IS illegal, is all 8^))

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 06:46:48 GMT, Voivod wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:58:06 +1000, Kristine
scribbled:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:10:03 GMT, Voivod wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:34:25 -0400, Roy Petersen <> scribbled:

On 16 Oct 2003 01:57:17 GMT, Kristine wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:38:32 -0400, "Markyt" wrote:

snipped

It’s only entrapment if it’s done by a law enforcement agency.

snipped

Have you been living under a rock? Cops dress up like hookers and bust Johns all the time. Cops pose as drug dealers, car thieves, people selling stolen property, etc. etc.

You’re contradicting yourself….

I’ve made no contradictory statements.

So when you say, and I quote, "It’s only entrapment if it’s done by a law enforcement agency.",
you’re Not actually saying it Is illegal for cops to dress up as hookers etc…??? cause you go on to say (after an offhanded insult) that, and I quote, "Cops dress up like hookers and bust Johns all
the time. Cops pose as drug dealers, car thieves, people selling stolen property, etc. etc."

My question to you stands. Is it or isn’t it illegal for cops to dress up as hookers and such…..??

is it illegal for law enforcement to dress up as hookers, drug dealers and thieves or is it not…???

Gee, they do it, and they arrest people, and they do it again. You’d think (DO you think?) if it WERE illegal they wouldn’t be able to continue doing it, would you?

Isn’t that what I said…..?? I thought that’s what I said…..!! At least I asked because they do still do it and all, and you had mentioned that entrapment is illegal when done by law enforcement.

K ~ I guess attempted insult means you didn’t notice the smiley face 8^))

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:10:03 GMT, Voivod wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:34:25 -0400, Roy Petersen <> scribbled:

On 16 Oct 2003 01:57:17 GMT, Kristine wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:38:32 -0400, "Markyt" wrote:

Welcome to our planet, when did you arrive?

Kind of rude, there. Did it make you feel better about yourself?

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:22:43 -0400, Roy Petersen <> scribbled:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:10:03 GMT, Voivod wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:34:25 -0400, Roy Petersen <> scribbled:

On 16 Oct 2003 01:57:17 GMT, Kristine wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:38:32 -0400, "Markyt" wrote:

Welcome to our planet, when did you arrive?

Kind of rude, there.

Aww, didums get his widdle feelings all hurted?
Wouldums like a time out with his teddy bear?

Did it make you feel better about yourself?

I like the way you ignore everything else to leap onto
an imagined insult. Are you always this overly sensitive?

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:52:41 GMT, Voivod wrote:

Did it make you feel better about yourself?

I like the way you ignore everything else to leap onto
an imagined insult. Are you always this overly sensitive?

You honestly see it that way, don’t you? Do you truly feel that the little nuggets of information you graced me with were enough to overlook rudeness and thank you for lowering yourself from your pedestal long enough to reply?
Heh.
Must be nice going through life, unencumbered by common courtesy and civility. So much simpler to blurt the first thing that pops into your head, isn’t it?

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:32:36 -0400, Roy Petersen <> scribbled:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:52:41 GMT, Voivod wrote:

Did it make you feel better about yourself?

I like the way you ignore everything else to leap onto
an imagined insult. Are you always this overly sensitive?

You honestly see it that way, don’t you? Do you truly feel that the

Are you afraid of my questions or just your answers?

little nuggets of information you graced me with were enough to overlook rudeness and thank you for lowering yourself from your pedestal long enough to reply?

Yes.

Heh.
Must be nice going through life, unencumbered by common courtesy and

Fuck common courtesy.

civility. So much simpler to blurt the first thing that pops into your head, isn’t it?

Conversations are much more interesting when you don’t
give a rats ass about the feelings of whoever you’re talking to.

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:44:14 GMT, Voivod wrote:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:32:36 -0400, Roy Petersen <> scribbled:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:52:41 GMT, Voivod wrote:

Conversations are much more interesting when you don’t
give a rats ass about the feelings of whoever you’re talking to.

Understood…your loss.
*plonk*

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:27:38 -0400, Roy Petersen <> scribbled:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:44:14 GMT, Voivod wrote:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:32:36 -0400, Roy Petersen <> scribbled:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:52:41 GMT, Voivod wrote:

Conversations are much more interesting when you don’t
give a rats ass about the feelings of whoever you’re talking to.

Understood…your loss.
*plonk*

Oh the horrors!

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:58:06 +1000, Kristine
scribbled:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:10:03 GMT, Voivod wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:34:25 -0400, Roy Petersen <> scribbled:

On 16 Oct 2003 01:57:17 GMT, Kristine wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:38:32 -0400, "Markyt" wrote:

snipped

It’s only entrapment if it’s done by a law enforcement agency.

snipped

Have you been living under a rock? Cops dress up like hookers and bust Johns all the time. Cops pose as drug dealers, car thieves, people selling stolen property, etc. etc.

You’re contradicting yourself….

I’ve made no contradictory statements.

is it illegal for law enforcement to dress up as hookers, drug dealers and thieves or is it not…???

Gee, they do it, and they arrest people, and they do it again. You’d think (DO you think?) if it WERE illegal they wouldn’t be able to continue doing it, would you?

"Kristine" wrote in message

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 06:46:48 GMT, Voivod wrote:
the time. Cops pose as drug dealers, car thieves, people selling stolen

property, etc. etc."

My question to you stands. Is it or isn’t it illegal for cops to dress up

as hookers and such…..??

NO OOOO!
It is NOT, not here in the USA.

Stephan

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 05:53:47 +1000, Kristine
scribbled:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 06:46:48 GMT, Voivod wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:58:06 +1000, Kristine
scribbled:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:10:03 GMT, Voivod wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:34:25 -0400, Roy Petersen <> scribbled:

On 16 Oct 2003 01:57:17 GMT, Kristine wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:38:32 -0400, "Markyt" wrote:

snipped

It’s only entrapment if it’s done by a law enforcement agency.

snipped

Have you been living under a rock? Cops dress up like hookers and bust Johns all the time. Cops pose as drug dealers, car thieves, people selling stolen property, etc. etc.

You’re contradicting yourself….

I’ve made no contradictory statements.

So when you say, and I quote, "It’s only entrapment if it’s done by a law enforcement agency.",

When I said the above quote I was referring to the imbecile’s statement that a COMPANY doing something he thought was
entrapment could BE entrapment. Private citizens, corporations, etc cannot BE charged with entrapment, only law enforcement agencies.

you’re Not actually saying it Is illegal for cops to dress up as hookers etc…??? cause you go on to say (after an offhanded insult) that, and I quote, "Cops dress up like hookers and bust Johns all

Please, you’re not THAT overly sensitive too, are you?

the time. Cops pose as drug dealers, car thieves, people selling stolen property, etc. etc."
My question to you stands. Is it or isn’t it illegal for cops to dress up as hookers and such…..??

I already answered you.

is it illegal for law enforcement to dress up as hookers, drug dealers and thieves or is it not…???

Gee, they do it, and they arrest people, and they do it again. You’d think (DO you think?) if it WERE illegal they wouldn’t be able to continue doing it, would you?

Isn’t that what I said…..?? I thought that’s what I said…..!! At least I asked because they do

Isn’t that what I answered….?? Isn’t that what I answered….??

still do it and all, and you had mentioned that entrapment is illegal when done by law enforcement.

Yes, entrapment IS illegal, dressing up like a hooker ISN’T entrapment, standing on a street corner pretending to sell drugs ISN’T entrapment.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:09:38 GMT, Voivod wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 05:53:47 +1000, Kristine
scribbled:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 06:46:48 GMT, Voivod wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:58:06 +1000, Kristine
scribbled:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:10:03 GMT, Voivod wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:34:25 -0400, Roy Petersen <> scribbled:

On 16 Oct 2003 01:57:17 GMT, Kristine wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:38:32 -0400, "Markyt" wrote:

snipped

It’s only entrapment if it’s done by a law enforcement agency.

snipped

Have you been living under a rock? Cops dress up like hookers and bust Johns all the time. Cops pose as drug dealers, car thieves, people selling stolen property, etc. etc.

You’re contradicting yourself….

I’ve made no contradictory statements.

So when you say, and I quote, "It’s only entrapment if it’s done by a law enforcement agency.",

When I said the above quote I was referring to the imbecile’s statement that a COMPANY doing something he thought was
entrapment could BE entrapment. Private citizens, corporations, etc cannot BE charged with entrapment, only law enforcement agencies.

I thought it was more a question but that didn’t stop you from name calling, did it. Which is why I had a go in the first place. You’re just an Obnoxious prick!!

Roy Petersen wrote:

On 16 Oct 2003 01:57:17 GMT, Kristine wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:38:32 -0400, "Markyt" wrote:

I’ve heard that some companies (mainly entertainment looking for pirates) have people on staff who ask/offer things like this in the attempt to catch folks in illegal activites. Don’t know if it’s true or not but you can’t go wrong forwarding the info to Adobe.

Wouldn’t that be considered entrapment? The act of offering something illegal in the attempt to get someone to ‘bite’?
I don’t condone piracy, but I feel this is over the top.

1) Not much effort is spent in trying to corner the end user.. just the pirate making a profit on someone else’s work.

2) Yup.. that would indeed be entrapment, but the powers that be make the rules as they go anymore. Some cops won’t even read your Miranda rights anymore!

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:24:25 -0500, NZane scribbled:

Roy Petersen wrote:

On 16 Oct 2003 01:57:17 GMT, Kristine wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:38:32 -0400, "Markyt" wrote:

I’ve heard that some companies (mainly entertainment looking for pirates) have people on staff who ask/offer things like this in the attempt to catch folks in illegal activites. Don’t know if it’s true or not but you can’t go wrong forwarding the info to Adobe.

Wouldn’t that be considered entrapment? The act of offering something illegal in the attempt to get someone to ‘bite’?
I don’t condone piracy, but I feel this is over the top.

1) Not much effort is spent in trying to corner the end user.. just the pirate making a profit on someone else’s work.

2) Yup.. that would indeed be entrapment,

No, it wouldn’t be entrapment, the discussion is ‘some companies’ not the police.

On the other hand if a company was to offer the product here as a pirated copy then that I would think would set a nasty precedent that would be hard to kill in court. After all I wonder how a judge would feel when the company that did the pirating file charges against the person accepting the pirated goods. I would think then that the company in question would be saying that pirating is fine after all we offered up our own products as pirated illegal copies.

John

"Voivod" wrote in message

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:24:25 -0500, NZane scribbled:

Roy Petersen wrote:

On 16 Oct 2003 01:57:17 GMT, Kristine wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:38:32 -0400, "Markyt"

wrote:

I’ve heard that some companies (mainly entertainment looking for

pirates) have people on staff who

ask/offer things like this in the attempt to catch folks in illegal

activites. Don’t know if it’s

true or not but you can’t go wrong forwarding the info to Adobe.

Wouldn’t that be considered entrapment? The act of offering something illegal in the attempt to get someone to ‘bite’?
I don’t condone piracy, but I feel this is over the top.

1) Not much effort is spent in trying to corner the end user.. just the pirate making a profit on someone else’s work.

2) Yup.. that would indeed be entrapment,

No, it wouldn’t be entrapment, the discussion is ‘some companies’ not the police.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:14:48 -0700, "nospam"
scribbled:

I would think

It doesn’t show.

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:03:41 +1000, Kristine
scribbled:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:44:47 GMT, "Stephan" wrote:

"Kristine" wrote in message

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 06:46:48 GMT, Voivod wrote:
the time. Cops pose as drug dealers, car thieves, people selling stolen

property, etc. etc."

My question to you stands. Is it or isn’t it illegal for cops to dress up

as hookers and such…..??

NO OOOO!
It is NOT, not here in the USA.

Yeah… I know… Just dissing the rude dude!

Oh NO! I’ve been dissed by a moron! I can’t go on!
Goodbye cruel world!

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 03:28:01 +1000, Kristine
scribbled:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:09:38 GMT, Voivod wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 05:53:47 +1000, Kristine
scribbled:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 06:46:48 GMT, Voivod wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 03:58:06 +1000, Kristine
scribbled:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:10:03 GMT, Voivod wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:34:25 -0400, Roy Petersen <> scribbled:

On 16 Oct 2003 01:57:17 GMT, Kristine wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:38:32 -0400, "Markyt" wrote:

snipped

It’s only entrapment if it’s done by a law enforcement agency.

snipped

Have you been living under a rock? Cops dress up like hookers and bust Johns all the time. Cops pose as drug dealers, car thieves, people selling stolen property, etc. etc.

You’re contradicting yourself….

I’ve made no contradictory statements.

So when you say, and I quote, "It’s only entrapment if it’s done by a law enforcement agency.",

When I said the above quote I was referring to the imbecile’s statement that a COMPANY doing something he thought was
entrapment could BE entrapment. Private citizens, corporations, etc cannot BE charged with entrapment, only law enforcement agencies.

I thought it was more a question but that didn’t stop you from name calling, did it. Which is why I

You thought what was more a question? Try making a modicum of sense.

had a go in the first place. You’re just an Obnoxious prick!!

Tell me something I don’t know.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:44:47 GMT, "Stephan" wrote:

"Kristine" wrote in message

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 06:46:48 GMT, Voivod wrote:
the time. Cops pose as drug dealers, car thieves, people selling stolen

property, etc. etc."

My question to you stands. Is it or isn’t it illegal for cops to dress up

as hookers and such…..??

NO OOOO!
It is NOT, not here in the USA.

Yeah… I know… Just dissing the rude dude!

K

Voivod wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:24:25 -0500, NZane scribbled:

Roy Petersen wrote:

On 16 Oct 2003 01:57:17 GMT, Kristine wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:38:32 -0400, "Markyt" wrote:

I’ve heard that some companies (mainly entertainment looking for pirates) have people on staff who ask/offer things like this in the attempt to catch folks in illegal activites. Don’t know if it’s true or not but you can’t go wrong forwarding the info to Adobe.

Wouldn’t that be considered entrapment? The act of offering something illegal in the attempt to get someone to ‘bite’?
I don’t condone piracy, but I feel this is over the top.

1) Not much effort is spent in trying to corner the end user.. just the pirate making a profit on someone else’s work.

2) Yup.. that would indeed be entrapment,

No, it wouldn’t be entrapment, the discussion is ‘some companies’ not the police.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=entrapment

en·trap
tr.v. en·trapped, en·trap·ping, en·traps

1. To catch in or as if in a trap.
2.
1. To lure into danger, difficulty, or a compromising
situation. See Synonyms at catch.
2. To lure into performing a previously or otherwise
uncontemplated illegal act.

makes no matter if your a cop, company rep or a squirrel. Entrapment is entrapment.

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:56:07 -0500, NZane scribbled:

Voivod wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:24:25 -0500, NZane scribbled:

Roy Petersen wrote:

On 16 Oct 2003 01:57:17 GMT, Kristine wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:38:32 -0400, "Markyt" wrote:

I’ve heard that some companies (mainly entertainment looking for pirates) have people on staff who ask/offer things like this in the attempt to catch folks in illegal activites. Don’t know if it’s true or not but you can’t go wrong forwarding the info to Adobe.

Wouldn’t that be considered entrapment? The act of offering something illegal in the attempt to get someone to ‘bite’?
I don’t condone piracy, but I feel this is over the top.

1) Not much effort is spent in trying to corner the end user.. just the pirate making a profit on someone else’s work.

2) Yup.. that would indeed be entrapment,

No, it wouldn’t be entrapment, the discussion is ‘some companies’ not the police.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=entrapment

en·trap
tr.v. en·trapped, en·trap·ping, en·traps

1. To catch in or as if in a trap.
2.
1. To lure into danger, difficulty, or a compromising
situation. See Synonyms at catch.
2. To lure into performing a previously or otherwise
uncontemplated illegal act.

makes no matter if your a cop, company rep or a squirrel. Entrapment is entrapment.

Except in the eyes of the law, nice try, you get a cookie for being pedantic.

NZane wrote:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=entrapment

en·trap
tr.v. en·trapped, en·trap·ping, en·traps

1. To catch in or as if in a trap.
2.
1. To lure into danger, difficulty, or a compromising
situation. See Synonyms at catch.
2. To lure into performing a previously or otherwise
uncontemplated illegal act.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

the difference in a "sting" and "entrapment" – the ‘victum’ must know he’s about to perform an illeagal act. seems to me the offer of "registerable" programs removes the sting part of the equation and would qualify as entrapment.

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:08:26 +1000, Kristine
scribbled:

It ONLY applies to law enforcement

Didn’t I say that three days ago?

Kristine wrote:

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:56:07 -0500, NZane wrote:

Voivod wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:24:25 -0500, NZane scribbled:

Roy Petersen wrote:

On 16 Oct 2003 01:57:17 GMT, Kristine wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:38:32 -0400, "Markyt" wrote:

I’ve heard that some companies (mainly entertainment looking for pirates) have people on staff who ask/offer things like this in the attempt to catch folks in illegal activites. Don’t know if it’s true or not but you can’t go wrong forwarding the info to Adobe.

Wouldn’t that be considered entrapment? The act of offering something illegal in the attempt to get someone to ‘bite’?
I don’t condone piracy, but I feel this is over the top.

1) Not much effort is spent in trying to corner the end user.. just the pirate making a profit on someone else’s work.

2) Yup.. that would indeed be entrapment,

No, it wouldn’t be entrapment, the discussion is ‘some companies’ not the police.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=entrapment

en·trap
tr.v. en·trapped, en·trap·ping, en·traps

1. To catch in or as if in a trap.
2.
1. To lure into danger, difficulty, or a compromising
situation. See Synonyms at catch.
2. To lure into performing a previously or otherwise
uncontemplated illegal act.

makes no matter if your a cop, company rep or a squirrel. Entrapment is entrapment.

Almost got it.

2 is correct but you have to understand that a person is ‘entrapped’ ONLY when they have been tricked by law enforcement officers to commit a crime they had NO INTENTION OF COMMITTING.
It ONLY applies to law enforcement as the legislation was developed to prevent them from gathering evidence illegally. The same reason why criminals are marinaded and property can’t be searched without a warrant.

There is NO entrapment if they’re a lowly drug dealer who sells coke to an undercover cop, a paedophile in a kiddies chat room or a software pirate selling programs on the WWW.
A private company can do whatever they like with their product but I’ve no doubt if they know of an illegal activity that’s gonna cost them profits they will probably give the info to the police and let them come a knocking on your door, heehehe

Link is to a ‘Legal Definition’ site… http://www.lectlaw.com/def.htm
K ~ enjoy! 8^))

I really have no additional need to discuss this topic. I’m an artist, not an attorney! Back to Photoshop dialog 🙂

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 09:56:07 -0500, NZane wrote:

Voivod wrote:

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 16:24:25 -0500, NZane scribbled:

Roy Petersen wrote:

On 16 Oct 2003 01:57:17 GMT, Kristine wrote:

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:38:32 -0400, "Markyt" wrote:

I’ve heard that some companies (mainly entertainment looking for pirates) have people on staff who ask/offer things like this in the attempt to catch folks in illegal activites. Don’t know if it’s true or not but you can’t go wrong forwarding the info to Adobe.

Wouldn’t that be considered entrapment? The act of offering something illegal in the attempt to get someone to ‘bite’?
I don’t condone piracy, but I feel this is over the top.

1) Not much effort is spent in trying to corner the end user.. just the pirate making a profit on someone else’s work.

2) Yup.. that would indeed be entrapment,

No, it wouldn’t be entrapment, the discussion is ‘some companies’ not the police.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=entrapment

en·trap
tr.v. en·trapped, en·trap·ping, en·traps

1. To catch in or as if in a trap.
2.
1. To lure into danger, difficulty, or a compromising
situation. See Synonyms at catch.
2. To lure into performing a previously or otherwise
uncontemplated illegal act.

makes no matter if your a cop, company rep or a squirrel. Entrapment is entrapment.

Almost got it.

2 is correct but you have to understand that a person is ‘entrapped’ ONLY when they have been tricked by law enforcement officers to commit a crime they had NO INTENTION OF COMMITTING.

It ONLY applies to law enforcement as the legislation was developed to prevent them from gathering evidence illegally. The same reason why criminals are marinaded and property can’t be searched without a warrant.

There is NO entrapment if they’re a lowly drug dealer who sells coke to an undercover cop, a paedophile in a kiddies chat room or a software pirate selling programs on the WWW.

A private company can do whatever they like with their product but I’ve no doubt if they know of an illegal activity that’s gonna cost them profits they will probably give the info to the police and let them come a knocking on your door, heehehe

Link is to a ‘Legal Definition’ site… http://www.lectlaw.com/def.htm

K ~ enjoy! 8^))