motherboards – your thoughts

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once again I have worked my motherboard to death. This afternoon the Gigabyte GA-7DXR living in my main imaging PC gave up. This the third Gigabyte board I have gone through, and it looks like the weekend will be dedicated to rebuilding instead of steak and beer.

Does anybody have any thoughts on AMD boards? I think its time to part company with Gigabyte, before me and my workload sink into the sands of time.

Thanks Group.

John
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Mike Russell
Oct 16, 2003
john allmark wrote:
once again I have worked my motherboard to death. This afternoon the Gigabyte GA-7DXR living in my main imaging PC gave up. This the third Gigabyte board I have gone through, and it looks like the weekend will be dedicated to rebuilding instead of steak and beer.
Does anybody have any thoughts on AMD boards? I think its time to part company with Gigabyte, before me and my workload sink into the sands of time.

If you get the same model of MB, you may be able to do a simple swap, and save the effort of re-installing.

Motherboards aside, I suspect you may have a heat problem with your enclosure. If you have only one fan, consider investing in a second fan and mount it in the front bottom corner of the case. If you have a lot of drives, graphics boards, etc, you may need a larger case or one with a side fan to put more air directly on the boards.



Mike Russell
http://www.curvemeister.com
http://www.zocalo.net/~mgr
http://geigy.2y.net
BD
Bill Davis Jr
Oct 16, 2003
I have very good luck with Abit. I had been using Asus boards before but have had some problems with some of their most recent motherboards.

I am currently running an Abit IC7-G with 1 gig of ram and a P4 3.0c.

Like Mike said I have lots of cooling in my system. I have 2 in the front and 2 in the back of the system.

If you get the same model of MB, you may be able to do a simple swap, and save the effort of re-installing.

Yes this would be the most simple way to go.

Motherboards aside, I suspect you may have a heat problem with your enclosure. If you have only one fan, consider investing in a second fan and mount it in the front bottom corner of the case. If you have a lot of drives, graphics boards, etc, you may need a larger case or one with a side fan to put more air directly on the boards.

Bill
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Jim White
Oct 16, 2003
GAG
I don’t unnerstan that, guys, sorry.
I’ve built all my PCs and those of my kids and i just can’t conceive of the probs. you’re talking about.

"Bill Davis Jr" wrote in message
I have very good luck with Abit. I had been using Asus boards before but have had some problems with some of their most recent motherboards.

I am currently running an Abit IC7-G with 1 gig of ram and a P4 3.0c.
Like Mike said I have lots of cooling in my system. I have 2 in the front and 2 in the back of the system.

If you get the same model of MB, you may be able to do a simple swap, and save the effort of re-installing.

Yes this would be the most simple way to go.

Motherboards aside, I suspect you may have a heat problem with your enclosure. If you have only one fan, consider investing in a second fan
and
mount it in the front bottom corner of the case. If you have a lot of drives, graphics boards, etc, you may need a larger case or one with a
side
fan to put more air directly on the boards.

Bill
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Hecate
Oct 16, 2003
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:11:35 +0100, "john allmark" wrote:

once again I have worked my motherboard to death. This afternoon the Gigabyte GA-7DXR living in my main imaging PC gave up. This the third Gigabyte board I have gone through, and it looks like the weekend will be dedicated to rebuilding instead of steak and beer.

Does anybody have any thoughts on AMD boards? I think its time to part company with Gigabyte, before me and my workload sink into the sands of time.

Thanks Group.

John
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I’ve used ASUS, Abit and Gigabyte boards with no problems, except my last board, an Abit, where the RAID controller died. However, if you’re getting through them so fast I wonder if there is something in your set up that’s the problem. Like, were all your fans working? Did you have a case fan? Is it at least a midi tower case? Do you have, at least, surge suppressing sockets for your connections?



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Stephan
Oct 16, 2003
"john allmark" wrote in message
once again I have worked my motherboard to death. This afternoon the Gigabyte GA-7DXR living in my main imaging PC gave up. This the third Gigabyte board I have gone through, and it looks like the weekend will be dedicated to rebuilding instead of steak and beer.

Does anybody have any thoughts on AMD boards? I think its time to part company with Gigabyte, before me and my workload sink into the sands of time.

Thanks Group.

Asus makes very nice boards!

How can you work a board to death?
The most usual board killers are heat and crappy energy . Sounds like you have a too hot of a case or a cheap power supply. Maybe you are plugging your vacuum cleaner to close to your machine? Don’t laugh, vacuum cleaners are bad news for computers.I blew three of them vacuuming my office!
I has a nice Belkin surge protector, should have been OK, too bad the F*****g electrician never connected the outlet’s ground to …the ground.

Stephan
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news
Oct 17, 2003
Just adding to Mike Russells thoughts. There’s a bunch of PCI plug-in extraction fans available now. A cinch to install and they draw from a little further in the case. Can help pull down a few degrees.

"Mike Russell" wrote in message
john allmark wrote:
once again I have worked my motherboard to death. This afternoon the Gigabyte GA-7DXR living in my main imaging PC gave up. This the third Gigabyte board I have gone through, and it looks like the weekend will be dedicated to rebuilding instead of steak and beer.
Does anybody have any thoughts on AMD boards? I think its time to part company with Gigabyte, before me and my workload sink into the sands of time.

If you get the same model of MB, you may be able to do a simple swap, and save the effort of re-installing.

Motherboards aside, I suspect you may have a heat problem with your enclosure. If you have only one fan, consider investing in a second fan
and
mount it in the front bottom corner of the case. If you have a lot of drives, graphics boards, etc, you may need a larger case or one with a
side
fan to put more air directly on the boards.



Mike Russell
http://www.curvemeister.com
http://www.zocalo.net/~mgr
http://geigy.2y.net

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no
Oct 17, 2003
"john allmark" wrote in message
once again I have worked my motherboard to death. This afternoon the Gigabyte GA-7DXR living in my main imaging PC gave up. This the third Gigabyte board I have gone through, and it looks like the weekend will be dedicated to rebuilding instead of steak and beer.

Does anybody have any thoughts on AMD boards? I think its time to part company with Gigabyte, before me and my workload sink into the sands of time.

Whatever you do, dont get an Abit. I’ve seen about 3 or 4 Abit’s and they all died within 2 years. I replaced it with a Gigabyte 7Zxe and its been running solid for a year so far. (its an old model mobo though).
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Bigcat
Oct 17, 2003
Try tomshardware.com Funny they rated gigabyte as one of the better boards, I have been supper happy with my Asus mainboards. I now have three of them with zero problems. Thanks for the insite on Gigabyte I was about to buy one.

Bigcat

.. On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:00:54 +1000, "mitch" wrote:

Just adding to Mike Russells thoughts. There’s a bunch of PCI plug-in extraction fans available now. A cinch to install and they draw from a little further in the case. Can help pull down a few degrees.
"Mike Russell" wrote in message
john allmark wrote:
once again I have worked my motherboard to death. This afternoon the Gigabyte GA-7DXR living in my main imaging PC gave up. This the third Gigabyte board I have gone through, and it looks like the weekend will be dedicated to rebuilding instead of steak and beer.
Does anybody have any thoughts on AMD boards? I think its time to part company with Gigabyte, before me and my workload sink into the sands of time.

If you get the same model of MB, you may be able to do a simple swap, and save the effort of re-installing.

Motherboards aside, I suspect you may have a heat problem with your enclosure. If you have only one fan, consider investing in a second fan
and
mount it in the front bottom corner of the case. If you have a lot of drives, graphics boards, etc, you may need a larger case or one with a
side
fan to put more air directly on the boards.



Mike Russell
http://www.curvemeister.com
http://www.zocalo.net/~mgr
http://geigy.2y.net

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wruffner
Oct 17, 2003
Lots been said about heat & fans, but also:

Get a big, good true-sine-wave UPS. And consider upgrading your current power supply to what some consider the best available:

< http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/power_supplies/highpe rformance/index.htm>

It’s the software that should be unreliable, not the hardware!

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 20:11:35 +0100, "john allmark" wrote:

once again I have worked my motherboard to death. This afternoon the Gigabyte GA-7DXR living in my main imaging PC gave up. This the third Gigabyte board I have gone through, and it looks like the weekend will be dedicated to rebuilding instead of steak and beer.

Does anybody have any thoughts on AMD boards? I think its time to part company with Gigabyte, before me and my workload sink into the sands of time.

Thanks Group.

John
**
www.jc-a.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

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chuck clark
Oct 17, 2003
If you do decide to replace the motherboard with a different brand/type then there is a way that you
will NOT have to reinstall windows. I assume you are running XP. I don’t know the exact procedure
so you should ask about motherboard replacement in the microsoft windows xp general group

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

Chuck

john allmark wrote:

once again I have worked my motherboard to death. This afternoon the Gigabyte GA-7DXR living in my main imaging PC gave up. This the third Gigabyte board I have gone through, and it looks like the weekend will be dedicated to rebuilding instead of steak and beer.

Does anybody have any thoughts on AMD boards? I think its time to part company with Gigabyte, before me and my workload sink into the sands of time.

Thanks Group.

John
**
www.jc-a.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

NS
Not so quick
Oct 18, 2003
"Mike Russell" wrote in message
john allmark wrote:
once again I have worked my motherboard to death. This afternoon the Gigabyte GA-7DXR living in my main imaging PC gave up. This the third Gigabyte board I have gone through, and it looks like the weekend will be dedicated to rebuilding instead of steak and beer.
Does anybody have any thoughts on AMD boards? I think its time to part company with Gigabyte, before me and my workload sink into the sands of time.

If you get the same model of MB, you may be able to do a simple swap, and save the effort of re-installing.

Motherboards aside, I suspect you may have a heat problem with your enclosure. If you have only one fan, consider investing in a second fan
and
mount it in the front bottom corner of the case. If you have a lot of drives, graphics boards, etc, you may need a larger case or one with a
side
fan to put more air directly on the boards.



Mike Russell
http://www.curvemeister.com
http://www.zocalo.net/~mgr
http://geigy.2y.net

I took the panel off my case and it’s been off on most of my boxes for years.
KW
Ken Wolff
Oct 22, 2003
Just to add my 2 cents. I have used most all the name brand boards and the two better boards are the Abit and ASUS. But I cannot stress enough the need for FANS and a good case. I have increased the life of my boards and processors to obsolete rather than failure by using top line cases. In fact all my systems use the Thermaltake cases with 5 to 7 fans with controls, filters and temp display. These AMD and Intel processors are not that well designed in the area of heat. In fact they are a generation behind. Why would you want to spend all that money on non renewable resourse (MB and CPU) and then purchase a lowend case that you can reuse.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:14:34 GMT, chuck clark
wrote:

If you do decide to replace the motherboard with a different brand/type then there is a way that you
will NOT have to reinstall windows. I assume you are running XP. I don’t know the exact procedure
so you should ask about motherboard replacement in the microsoft windows xp general group

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

Chuck

john allmark wrote:

once again I have worked my motherboard to death. This afternoon the Gigabyte GA-7DXR living in my main imaging PC gave up. This the third Gigabyte board I have gone through, and it looks like the weekend will be dedicated to rebuilding instead of steak and beer.

Does anybody have any thoughts on AMD boards? I think its time to part company with Gigabyte, before me and my workload sink into the sands of time.

Thanks Group.

John
**
www.jc-a.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

NS
Not so quick
Oct 22, 2003
"Ken Wolff" wrote in message
Just to add my 2 cents. I have used most all the name brand boards and the two better boards are the Abit and ASUS. But I cannot stress enough the need for FANS and a good case. I have increased the life of my boards and processors to obsolete rather than failure by using top line cases. In fact all my systems use the Thermaltake cases with 5 to 7 fans with controls, filters and temp display. These AMD and Intel processors are not that well designed in the area of heat. In fact they are a generation behind. Why would you want to spend all that money on non renewable resourse (MB and CPU) and then purchase a lowend case that you can reuse.

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:14:34 GMT, chuck clark
wrote:

If you do decide to replace the motherboard with a different brand/type then there is a way that you
will NOT have to reinstall windows. I assume you are running XP. I don’t know the exact procedure
so you should ask about motherboard replacement in the microsoft windows xp general group

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

Chuck

john allmark wrote:

once again I have worked my motherboard to death. This afternoon the Gigabyte GA-7DXR living in my main imaging PC gave up. This the third Gigabyte board I have gone through, and it looks like the weekend will
be
dedicated to rebuilding instead of steak and beer.

Does anybody have any thoughts on AMD boards? I think its time to part company with Gigabyte, before me and my workload sink into the sands of time.

Thanks Group.

John
**
www.jc-a.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

I wonder why there isn’t a water cooled
heat sink at a reasonable price. I don’t
like cases at all. Maybe the components
should be laid out in separate compartments
in an enclosure under the desk top. Take
off a panel and replace a motherboard.
PCI slots stay, cables stay… water pump
for heat sink stays.
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Hecate
Oct 22, 2003
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:49:06 -0700, "Not so quick" wrote:

I wonder why there isn’t a water cooled
heat sink at a reasonable price.

it depends on what you call reasonable, but there is a reasonably priced system in the UK 🙂



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MD
Mike Davis
Oct 26, 2003
AMD processors tend to run MUCH hotter than Intel. I don’t know if this has any practical effect on life expectancy, but a good cooling heatsink/fan, properly installed, is essential. Also, the number of case fans is not the best measure of efficiency. If cables restrict airflow, or if fans are not properly places for best circulation, you can have problems. The newer SATA drives use round cables that allow much better airflow than the old flat cables. Graphics cards are not usually a problem running 2D applications but will heat up considerably during high speed graphics demands such as gaming in 3D rendering.
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Hecate
Oct 27, 2003
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:24:51 GMT, "mdavis"
wrote:

AMD processors tend to run MUCH hotter than Intel.

Intel propaganda and you’ve bought it. I’ve run AMD processors for years, in fact since they produced a 386/DX40 which creamed the then current Intel processors and never had any problem with no more fans or cooling than I’ve had on the Intel processors I’ve used.



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Not so quick
Oct 27, 2003
"mdavis" wrote in message
AMD processors tend to run MUCH hotter than Intel. I don’t know if this
has
any practical effect on life expectancy, but a good cooling heatsink/fan, properly installed, is essential. Also, the number of case fans is not
the
best measure of efficiency. If cables restrict airflow, or if fans are
not
properly places for best circulation, you can have problems. The newer
SATA
drives use round cables that allow much better airflow than the old flat cables. Graphics cards are not usually a problem running 2D applications but will heat up considerably during high speed graphics demands such as gaming in 3D rendering.

I’ve had many more problems with AMD. I had a K6-4 450
and then bought a 1800+ . The last board I bought was
a P4 800FSB that allows hyperthreading. hy… makes a big difference in my applications which are mostly mpeg, so
maybe using Photoshop by itself there wouldn’t be that
much problem. It seems ATI and AMD had a lot of conflicts.
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Flycaster
Oct 27, 2003
"Not so quick" wrote in message
I’ve had many more problems with AMD. I had a K6-4 450
and then bought a 1800+ . The last board I bought was
a P4 800FSB that allows hyperthreading. hy… makes a big difference in my applications which are mostly mpeg, so
maybe using Photoshop by itself there wouldn’t be that
much problem. It seems ATI and AMD had a lot of conflicts.

Though I have no particular axe to grind either way, I haven’t any heat or conflict issues with AMD, ATI, or both used in conjunction; I’ve built, oh I dunno, maybe 3 dozen such systems and no problems, nada.. What kind of "conflicts" are you talking about?

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youvegotit
Oct 27, 2003
Not so quick wrote:
"mdavis" wrote in message
AMD processors tend to run MUCH hotter than Intel. I don’t know if this
has
any practical effect on life expectancy, but a good cooling heatsink/fan, properly installed, is essential. Also, the number of case fans is not
the
best measure of efficiency. If cables restrict airflow, or if fans are
not
properly places for best circulation, you can have problems. The newer
SATA
drives use round cables that allow much better airflow than the old flat cables. Graphics cards are not usually a problem running 2D applications but will heat up considerably during high speed graphics demands such as gaming in 3D rendering.

I’ve had many more problems with AMD. I had a K6-4 450
and then bought a 1800+ . The last board I bought was
a P4 800FSB that allows hyperthreading. hy… makes a big difference in my applications which are mostly mpeg, so
maybe using Photoshop by itself there wouldn’t be that
much problem. It seems ATI and AMD had a lot of conflicts.

A good MB is at least as important as the components that go on it. On a carefully chosen MB, you can install the right memory with speed to optimally use the processor’s fsb speed. That way, you won’t throw away any available speed (cpu and/or memory). Similarly, the MB should have the chipset that optimizes the other I/O speeds. Also, if a MB uses skinny round cables instead of the flat ribbon cables, you would end up with less blockage of air circulation and cooling.
NS
Not so quick
Oct 27, 2003
"Flycaster" wrote in message
"Not so quick" wrote in message
I’ve had many more problems with AMD. I had a K6-4 450
and then bought a 1800+ . The last board I bought was
a P4 800FSB that allows hyperthreading. hy… makes a big difference in my applications which are mostly mpeg, so
maybe using Photoshop by itself there wouldn’t be that
much problem. It seems ATI and AMD had a lot of conflicts.

Though I have no particular axe to grind either way, I haven’t any heat or conflict issues with AMD, ATI, or both used in conjunction; I’ve built, oh
I
dunno, maybe 3 dozen such systems and no problems, nada.. What kind of "conflicts" are you talking about?

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The VIA chipset didn’t work at all well with my all-in-wonder cards. Getting a PCI instead of AGP fixed the problem. But it took about a month of experimentation.
NS
Not so quick
Oct 27, 2003
wrote in message
Not so quick wrote:
"mdavis" wrote in message
AMD processors tend to run MUCH hotter than Intel. I don’t know if
this
has
any practical effect on life expectancy, but a good cooling
heatsink/fan,
properly installed, is essential. Also, the number of case fans is
not
the
best measure of efficiency. If cables restrict airflow, or if fans
are
not
properly places for best circulation, you can have problems. The
newer
SATA
drives use round cables that allow much better airflow than the old
flat
cables. Graphics cards are not usually a problem running 2D
applications
but will heat up considerably during high speed graphics demands such
as
gaming in 3D rendering.

I’ve had many more problems with AMD. I had a K6-4 450
and then bought a 1800+ . The last board I bought was
a P4 800FSB that allows hyperthreading. hy… makes a big difference in my applications which are mostly mpeg, so
maybe using Photoshop by itself there wouldn’t be that
much problem. It seems ATI and AMD had a lot of conflicts.

A good MB is at least as important as the components that go on it. On a carefully chosen MB, you can install the right memory with speed to optimally use the processor’s fsb speed. That way, you won’t throw away any available speed (cpu and/or memory). Similarly, the MB should have the chipset that optimizes the other I/O speeds. Also, if a MB uses skinny round cables instead of the flat ribbon cables, you would end up with less blockage of air circulation and cooling.

You can get skinny round cables for any motherboard.
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Flycaster
Oct 27, 2003
"Not so quick" wrote in message
The VIA chipset didn’t work at all well with my all-in-wonder cards. Getting a PCI instead of AGP fixed the problem. But it took about a month of experimentation.

That isn’t an AMD problem, rather a MB and/or driver issue. What were the MB and Rev. #, and what VIA driver Ver.?

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Stephan
Oct 27, 2003
"Not so quick" wrote in message
A good MB is at least as important as the components that go on it. On a carefully chosen MB, you can install the right memory with speed to optimally use the processor’s fsb speed. That way, you won’t throw away any available speed (cpu and/or memory). Similarly, the MB should have the chipset that optimizes the other I/O speeds. Also, if a MB uses skinny round cables instead of the flat ribbon cables, you would end up with less blockage of air circulation and cooling.

You can get skinny round cables for any motherboard.
You can even make round cables out of flat cables
Just roll them, I did it works fine

Stephan
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Hecate
Oct 27, 2003
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:44:36 -0800, "Not so quick" wrote:

The VIA chipset didn’t work at all well with my all-in-wonder cards. Getting a PCI instead of AGP fixed the problem. But it took about a month of experimentation.
As others have already pointed out, that’s a motherboard/chipset problem, not an AMD problem.



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Hecate
Oct 27, 2003
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:46:08 -0800, "Not so quick" wrote:

I’ve had many more problems with AMD. I had a K6-4 450
and then bought a 1800+ . The last board I bought was
a P4 800FSB that allows hyperthreading. hy… makes a big difference in my applications which are mostly mpeg, so
maybe using Photoshop by itself there wouldn’t be that
much problem. It seems ATI and AMD had a lot of conflicts.
There’s very little real difference with HT on and HT off accept that with HT on Photoshop is slower, and with HT on, software that has been written to take advantage of it is faster. And the performance gain? A measurable 0.5-1% for 3D apps over a standard Pentium.

Incidentally, that’s well beaten by the 32% speed increase of an Athlon 64 🙂

As I’ve already mentioned the conflicts that you complain about are between the motherboard/chipset and ATi and *not* ATi and AMD.



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Mike Russell
Oct 28, 2003
Stephan wrote:
[re mobo overheating issues]

You can even make round cables out of flat cables
Just roll them, I did it works fine

So you roll your own? 🙂



Mike Russell
http://www.curvemeister.com
http://www.zocalo.net/~mgr
http://geigy.2y.net
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Not so quick
Oct 28, 2003
"Flycaster" wrote in message
"Not so quick" wrote in message
The VIA chipset didn’t work at all well with my all-in-wonder cards. Getting a PCI instead of AGP fixed the problem. But it took about a month of experimentation.

That isn’t an AMD problem, rather a MB and/or driver issue. What were the MB and Rev. #, and what VIA driver Ver.?

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I didn’t say it was an AMD problem. It’s a compatibility problem. I’ve long since gotten it fixed but it was a hassle that I’d like other to avoid, if it still exists. I was warned a couple of times not to do AMD, but that was a couple
of years ago, notice AMD K62 450mhz. The VIS chipset
just wasn’t compatible with ATI all-in-wonder.
NS
Not so quick
Oct 28, 2003
"Hecate" wrote in message
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:44:36 -0800, "Not so quick" wrote:

The VIA chipset didn’t work at all well with my all-in-wonder cards. Getting a PCI instead of AGP fixed the problem. But it took about a month of experimentation.
As others have already pointed out, that’s a motherboard/chipset problem, not an AMD problem.



Hecate

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Are you saying that AMD doesn’t have
more of a chance of having VIA chipset
than Intel chipset?
NS
Not so quick
Oct 28, 2003
"Hecate" wrote in message
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 18:46:08 -0800, "Not so quick" wrote:

I’ve had many more problems with AMD. I had a K6-4 450
and then bought a 1800+ . The last board I bought was
a P4 800FSB that allows hyperthreading. hy… makes a big difference in my applications which are mostly mpeg, so
maybe using Photoshop by itself there wouldn’t be that
much problem. It seems ATI and AMD had a lot of conflicts.
There’s very little real difference with HT on and HT off accept that with HT on Photoshop is slower, and with HT on, software that has been written to take advantage of it is faster. And the performance gain? A measurable 0.5-1% for 3D apps over a standard Pentium.

Incidentally, that’s well beaten by the 32% speed increase of an Athlon 64 🙂

As I’ve already mentioned the conflicts that you complain about are between the motherboard/chipset and ATi and *not* ATi and AMD.


Hecate

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I use Hyperthreading to convert AVI to MPEG with
Tmpgenc which is optimized for HT. It goes faster
than real time. I don’t believe that any application
that is truly adapted for HT can be slower. How
much do Athlon 64s cost? Aren’t we talking about
two different things, photos and video? I have a degree
in graphic design and have used PhotoShop extensively.
The processors are so fast now that I never have a complaint about the speed of rendering. It used to be very different. I couldn’t work with anything larger than a 4 meg file
without a long wait. That was on the MAC years ago.
Now a 100Meg file is nothing.
: -)
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Flycaster
Oct 28, 2003
"Not so quick" wrote in message
I didn’t say it was an AMD problem.

Huh? Here is what you said, "It seems ATI and AMD had a lot of conflicts." Therein lies the problem. As you apparently already knew, there are no conflicts between ATI and AMD, rather there are certain chipset and driver issues which are MB and VIA issues, not AMD issues.

Just to clarify…

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Not so quick
Oct 28, 2003
"Flycaster" wrote in message
"Not so quick" wrote in message
I didn’t say it was an AMD problem.

Huh? Here is what you said, "It seems ATI and AMD had a lot of
conflicts."
Therein lies the problem. As you apparently already knew, there are no conflicts between ATI and AMD, rather there are certain chipset and driver issues which are MB and VIA issues, not AMD issues.

Just to clarify…

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Why did you cut the rest of my post? Somewhere I said that I believe that AMD is more likely to be paired with VIA
chipset. Is that not true?
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Flycaster
Oct 28, 2003
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Why did you cut the rest of my post? Somewhere I said that I believe that AMD is more likely to be paired with VIA
chipset. Is that not true?

I responded to the post below, and no other. There is no mention of VIA chipsets here. To refresh your memory, your original post, in its entirety, said,

" I’ve had many more problems with AMD. I had a K6-4 450 and then bought a 1800+ . The last board I bought was
a P4 800FSB that allows hyperthreading. hy… makes a big difference in my applications which are mostly mpeg, so
maybe using Photoshop by itself there wouldn’t be that
much problem. It seems ATI and AMD had a lot of conflicts."

Frankly, this has become a complete waste of time.

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Eric Gill
Oct 28, 2003
"Not so quick" wrote in news:T1nnb.44682
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"Hecate" wrote in message
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:44:36 -0800, "Not so quick" wrote:

The VIA chipset didn’t work at all well with my all-in-wonder cards. Getting a PCI instead of AGP fixed the problem. But it took about a month of experimentation.
As others have already pointed out, that’s a motherboard/chipset problem, not an AMD problem.



Hecate

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Are you saying that AMD doesn’t have
more of a chance of having VIA chipset
than Intel chipset?

Are you saying you pay no attention to what chipset you’re buying?
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Hecate
Oct 29, 2003
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:21:49 -0800, "Not so quick" wrote:

"Hecate" wrote in message
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:44:36 -0800, "Not so quick" wrote:

The VIA chipset didn’t work at all well with my all-in-wonder cards. Getting a PCI instead of AGP fixed the problem. But it took about a month of experimentation.
As others have already pointed out, that’s a motherboard/chipset problem, not an AMD problem.



Hecate

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Are you saying that AMD doesn’t have
more of a chance of having VIA chipset
than Intel chipset?
No, I’m saying that if I was buying a motherboard and building a computer I’d check that the components were compatible before I bought them.

And, of course, an AMD wouldn’t have an Intel chipset anyway, so why would you suggest that?

It seems your problem is lack of information.



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Hecate
Oct 29, 2003
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:26:20 -0800, "Not so quick" wrote:

I use Hyperthreading to convert AVI to MPEG with
Tmpgenc which is optimized for HT. It goes faster
than real time.

There you go – you’re using software that is optimised for HT.

But, nothing goes faster than Real Time. That’s why it’s called "Real Time".

I don’t believe that any application
that is truly adapted for HT can be slower.

I never said that. I said Photoshop ran slower with HT than without it.

How
much do Athlon 64s cost?

More than Athlon 32 bit and about the same as the newest top end Pentium 32 bit.

Aren’t we talking about
two different things, photos and video?

Yes, we are. Then again, this isn’t a video group, it’s a Photoshop group and all I care about is the effect on 2D speed.

I have a degree
in graphic design and have used PhotoShop extensively.

And your point is?

The processors are so fast now that I never have a complaint about the speed of rendering. It used to be very different. I couldn’t work with anything larger than a 4 meg file
without a long wait. That was on the MAC years ago.
Now a 100Meg file is nothing.
: -)
That’s true. Even the slower processors are fast enough. It’s RAM that is the problem. And 64 processing makes RAM access virtually limitless, unlike the 2Gb per program limit now. Of course, that "limitless" is theoretical; because the AMD 64 uses 40 bit for accessing RAM. However, that still leaves the rather nice limit of 1 terabyte of RAM and 256 terabytes of virtual RAM per app. And as RAM access is the thing that slows down Photoshop the most… 😉



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Not so quick
Oct 29, 2003
"Hecate" wrote in message
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:21:49 -0800, "Not so quick" wrote:

"Hecate" wrote in message
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:44:36 -0800, "Not so quick" wrote:

The VIA chipset didn’t work at all well with my all-in-wonder cards. Getting a PCI instead of AGP fixed the problem. But it took about a month of experimentation.
As others have already pointed out, that’s a motherboard/chipset problem, not an AMD problem.



Hecate

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Are you saying that AMD doesn’t have
more of a chance of having VIA chipset
than Intel chipset?
No, I’m saying that if I was buying a motherboard and building a computer I’d check that the components were compatible before I bought them.

And, of course, an AMD wouldn’t have an Intel chipset anyway, so why would you suggest that?

It seems your problem is lack of information.



Hecate

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All I said was that I suggest people not… well maybe
I didn’t say what I meant but… the point of my post
was to warn people away from VIA chipsets with ATI
video cards, especially AGP with video capture… I won’t be reading any more posts on this topic as I agree that
it’s wasting time.
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Uni
Oct 30, 2003
Not so quick wrote:
"Hecate" wrote in message

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:21:49 -0800, "Not so quick" wrote:

"Hecate" wrote in message

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:44:36 -0800, "Not so quick" wrote:

The VIA chipset didn’t work at all well with my all-in-wonder cards. Getting a PCI instead of AGP fixed the problem. But it took about a month of experimentation.

As others have already pointed out, that’s a motherboard/chipset problem, not an AMD problem.



Hecate

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Are you saying that AMD doesn’t have
more of a chance of having VIA chipset
than Intel chipset?

No, I’m saying that if I was buying a motherboard and building a computer I’d check that the components were compatible before I bought them.

And, of course, an AMD wouldn’t have an Intel chipset anyway, so why would you suggest that?

It seems your problem is lack of information.



Hecate

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All I said was that I suggest people not… well maybe
I didn’t say what I meant but… the point of my post
was to warn people away from VIA chipsets with ATI
video cards, especially AGP with video capture… I won’t be reading any more posts on this topic as I agree that
it’s wasting time.

I have a VIA chipset and TWO ATI capture cards and I don’t have a single problem.

Uni

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Hecate
Oct 30, 2003
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:17:31 -0800, "Not so quick" wrote:

No, I’m saying that if I was buying a motherboard and building a computer I’d check that the components were compatible before I bought them.

And, of course, an AMD wouldn’t have an Intel chipset anyway, so why would you suggest that?

It seems your problem is lack of information.



Hecate

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All I said was that I suggest people not… well maybe
I didn’t say what I meant but… the point of my post
was to warn people away from VIA chipsets with ATI
video cards, especially AGP with video capture… I won’t be reading any more posts on this topic as I agree that
it’s wasting time.
OK. Well, you might like to know then, that one of our computers is running a mobo with a VIA chipset and an ATi 9600 with no problems whatever. 🙂



Hecate

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Flycaster
Oct 30, 2003
"Hecate" wrote in message
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:17:31 -0800, "Not so quick" wrote:
[snip]
All I said was that I suggest people not… well maybe
I didn’t say what I meant but… the point of my post
was to warn people away from VIA chipsets with ATI
video cards, especially AGP with video capture… I won’t be reading any more posts on this topic as I agree that
it’s wasting time.
OK. Well, you might like to know then, that one of our computers is running a mobo with a VIA chipset and an ATi 9600 with no problems whatever. 🙂

It’s too bad…I sincerely would have liked to know which MB and driver set he/she had troubles with. Not that I could’ve fixed it, rather to help others avoid it. Now that he/she mentions video capture, however, it could have been lots of things…

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Stephan
Oct 30, 2003
"Hecate" wrote in message
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:17:31 -0800, "Not so quick" wrote:

No, I’m saying that if I was buying a motherboard and building a computer I’d check that the components were compatible before I bought them.

And, of course, an AMD wouldn’t have an Intel chipset anyway, so why would you suggest that?

It seems your problem is lack of information.



Hecate

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All I said was that I suggest people not… well maybe
I didn’t say what I meant but… the point of my post
was to warn people away from VIA chipsets with ATI
video cards, especially AGP with video capture… I won’t be reading any more posts on this topic as I agree that
it’s wasting time.
OK. Well, you might like to know then, that one of our computers is running a mobo with a VIA chipset and an ATi 9600 with no problems whatever. 🙂

Hey, so is my main machine: ATI and Matrox dual, no problem at all. I must be doing something terribly wrong…

Stephan
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Hecate
Oct 31, 2003
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:03:13 -0800, "Flycaster" wrote:

"Hecate" wrote in message
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:17:31 -0800, "Not so quick" wrote:
[snip]
All I said was that I suggest people not… well maybe
I didn’t say what I meant but… the point of my post
was to warn people away from VIA chipsets with ATI
video cards, especially AGP with video capture… I won’t be reading any more posts on this topic as I agree that
it’s wasting time.
OK. Well, you might like to know then, that one of our computers is running a mobo with a VIA chipset and an ATi 9600 with no problems whatever. 🙂

It’s too bad…I sincerely would have liked to know which MB and driver set he/she had troubles with. Not that I could’ve fixed it, rather to help others avoid it. Now that he/she mentions video capture, however, it could have been lots of things…
Yes, absolutely. Video capture brings in all sorts of extra variables.



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Mike Davis
Nov 1, 2003
Comparative operating temperatures are a fact (unless Intel has rigged the 3rd party mobo manufacturers temperature BIOS readings against AMD). Whether or not this affects longevity is unclear. Pay your money and take your chances. Why does every post regarding Intel/AMD or nVidia/ATI turn into war? Framerate propaganda and you bought it.
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JCA
Nov 1, 2003
I posted the original thread just over two weeks ago. Since then there has been a great deal of debate on a daily basis but I dont see this as war, just a good debate on what we have all experienced in the field of imaging and computer architecture. We can all benefit from our own individual experiences on this subject for Christ sake without getting drawn into opinionation and who is right or wrong. Keep it away from the knuckle guys.

Oh, I’m now running fine.

John
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"mdavis" wrote in message
Comparative operating temperatures are a fact (unless Intel has rigged the 3rd party mobo manufacturers temperature BIOS readings against AMD). Whether or not this affects longevity is unclear. Pay your money and take your chances. Why does every post regarding Intel/AMD or nVidia/ATI turn into war? Framerate propaganda and you bought it.

MR
Mike Russell
Nov 2, 2003
John Allmark wrote:
I posted the original thread just over two weeks ago. Since then there has been a great deal of debate on a daily basis but I dont see this as war, just a good debate on what we have all experienced in the field of imaging and computer architecture. We can all benefit from our own individual experiences on this subject for Christ sake without getting drawn into opinionation and who is right or wrong. Keep it away from the knuckle guys.

Good words – but I doubt it will make a bit of difference.

People just love to bonk each other on the noggin 🙂



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Hecate
Nov 2, 2003
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:49:14 -0000, "John Allmark" wrote:

I posted the original thread just over two weeks ago. Since then there has been a great deal of debate on a daily basis but I dont see this as war, just a good debate on what we have all experienced in the field of imaging and computer architecture. We can all benefit from our own individual experiences on this subject for Christ sake without getting drawn into opinionation and who is right or wrong. Keep it away from the knuckle guys.
Oh, I’m now running fine.
Glad you’ve sorted your problem out. Fact is, I have used both Pentiums and AMDs. i prefer the AMD price/performance ratio and I’ve never had any problems with them. Like you say, shared experience is useful 🙂



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Flycaster
Nov 2, 2003
"Hecate" wrote in message
[snip]
i prefer the AMD price/performance ratio and I’ve
never had any problems with them. [snip]

Ditto. And, while true for today, it may well not be tomorrow. (it’s just *silly* to get "personal" about a piece of silicon)

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Hecate
Nov 3, 2003
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:24:22 -0800, "Flycaster" wrote:

"Hecate" wrote in message
[snip]
i prefer the AMD price/performance ratio and I’ve
never had any problems with them. [snip]

Ditto. And, while true for today, it may well not be tomorrow. (it’s just *silly* to get "personal" about a piece of silicon)
Definitely. And that ranks along with always getting the "bleeding edge" hardware and wondering why things go wrong 😉



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