Logo as curve layer?

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doctor9
Apr 27, 2004
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The photo studio I do restorations for is trying to create a Photoshop Action (using v7 for Mac) that will automatically add the studio logo in the corner of every print. The embosser has finally bit the dust.

I suggested creating two versions; a white logo with a black drop shadow, and a black logo with a white drop shadow. That way they can put the appropriate one on a light or a dark photo, obviously.

I created a couple of .WMF files, but when they get imported you need to tell it what size and resolution you want, and for an automated action, I’d like to have zero user interaction of this sort if it’s possible.

At the worst, I suppose I could create a file with various sized logos that can be copied/pasted into each print, but I’m really hoping to automate this as much as possible. I figured creating a text layer, entering one character and formatting it with the custom font would be the fastest, easiest thing, but I’ve sort of hit a wall.

So, I tried loading the logo into Corel Draw (admittedly a very old copy, version 4) and exporting the logo as a character in a new, custom font. That’s worked in the past for me, when working in MS Office documents. However, even though it shows up in an MS Word document with no problems, when I try to use the font/character in Photoshop, it doesn’t appear. If I highlight the text, I can see there’s a rectangle with the proportions of the logo, but the character itself isn’t showing.

I’m wondering if it’s too complex an object to load as a font character (essentially a customized Wingding, really).

Well, I very recently upgraded from Photoshop 5.5 to 7.0, and I’ve read a bit about curves being handled more readily in recent versions of Photoshop. Before I start learning this new tool, can anyone let me know if this seems like the right direction to go?

Dennis

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edjh
Apr 27, 2004
Dennis Kuhn wrote:
The photo studio I do restorations for is trying to create a Photoshop Action (using v7 for Mac) that will automatically add the studio logo in the corner of every print. The embosser has finally bit the dust.
I suggested creating two versions; a white logo with a black drop shadow, and a black logo with a white drop shadow. That way they can put the appropriate one on a light or a dark photo, obviously.
I created a couple of .WMF files, but when they get imported you need to tell it what size and resolution you want, and for an automated action, I’d like to have zero user interaction of this sort if it’s possible.

At the worst, I suppose I could create a file with various sized logos that can be copied/pasted into each print, but I’m really hoping to automate this as much as possible. I figured creating a text layer, entering one character and formatting it with the custom font would be the fastest, easiest thing, but I’ve sort of hit a wall.
So, I tried loading the logo into Corel Draw (admittedly a very old copy, version 4) and exporting the logo as a character in a new, custom font. That’s worked in the past for me, when working in MS Office documents. However, even though it shows up in an MS Word document with no problems, when I try to use the font/character in Photoshop, it doesn’t appear. If I highlight the text, I can see there’s a rectangle with the proportions of the logo, but the character itself isn’t showing.

I’m wondering if it’s too complex an object to load as a font character (essentially a customized Wingding, really).

Well, I very recently upgraded from Photoshop 5.5 to 7.0, and I’ve read a bit about curves being handled more readily in recent versions of Photoshop. Before I start learning this new tool, can anyone let me know if this seems like the right direction to go?

Dennis

Why not Paste in a raster version of the logo in light gray with Blending set to Difference or Exclusion. That should work against any background color.


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Dennis Burr
Apr 28, 2004
Another possibility would be to create a brush from the logo. Using this method you could choose your color and logo size as you would for any brush and with the further benefit of using opacity.

Dennis

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Dennis Kuhn wrote:
The photo studio I do restorations for is trying to create a Photoshop Action (using v7 for Mac) that will automatically add the studio logo in the corner of every print. The embosser has finally bit the dust.
I suggested creating two versions; a white logo with a black drop shadow, and a black logo with a white drop shadow. That way they can put the appropriate one on a light or a dark photo, obviously.
I created a couple of .WMF files, but when they get imported you need to tell it what size and resolution you want, and for an automated action, I’d like to have zero user interaction of this sort if it’s possible.

At the worst, I suppose I could create a file with various sized logos that can be copied/pasted into each print, but I’m really hoping to automate this as much as possible. I figured creating a text layer, entering one character and formatting it with the custom font would be the fastest, easiest thing, but I’ve sort of hit a wall.
So, I tried loading the logo into Corel Draw (admittedly a very old copy, version 4) and exporting the logo as a character in a new, custom font. That’s worked in the past for me, when working in MS Office documents. However, even though it shows up in an MS Word document with no problems, when I try to use the font/character in Photoshop, it doesn’t appear. If I highlight the text, I can see there’s a rectangle with the proportions of the logo, but the character itself isn’t showing.

I’m wondering if it’s too complex an object to load as a font character (essentially a customized Wingding, really).

Well, I very recently upgraded from Photoshop 5.5 to 7.0, and I’ve read a bit about curves being handled more readily in recent versions of Photoshop. Before I start learning this new tool, can anyone let me know if this seems like the right direction to go?

Dennis

Why not Paste in a raster version of the logo in light gray with Blending set to Difference or Exclusion. That should work against any background color.


Comic book sketches and artwork:
http://www.sover.net/~hannigan/edjh.html
Comics art for sale:
http://www.sover.net/~hannigan/batsale.html
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doctor9
Apr 28, 2004
edjh …
Why not Paste in a raster version of the logo in light gray with Blending set to Difference or Exclusion. That should work against any background color.

The photo studio wants the black or white versions so they’ll have sharp relief. It’s replacing a gold embossed logo that’s been used for decades, so I’m just glad they didn’t want a pseudo-gold look. 🙂 Besides, the customer is always right, and I like to keep them happy.

Dennis
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doctor9
May 3, 2004
Thought I’d post my own solution for anyone searching the Google archives for an answer to a similar question in the future…

I ended up creating an Adobe Illustrator graphic of the logo; I previously only had it in Corel Draw and as a WMF (Windows Meta File) to retain the curves, thus making it scalable. I made the illustrator graphic totally black on transparent, and saved it to a specific folder on the studio’s Mac hard drive. I then told them to never move it, rename it, or otherwise mess with it. 🙂

Then, I created a set of Actions (which went much more smoothly than I could have hoped; thank you, Adobe!) that would open the graphic, paste it as a new, named layer into the active picture, then close the graphic without saving changes. Next, the Action applied a drop shadow effect to the new layer.

I had to make sure to open the .AI file as an RGB, so I could perform an Inverse adjustment, changing it from black to white. (Opening as a CMYK does a black-to-grey instead of black-to-white change when doing an Inverse.)

To simplify things, I created a series of copies of the Action with names like "Logo 8×10", "Logo 5×7", etc. so the size of the logo would be correct. This also let me adjust the drop shadow’s pixel offset so it would look consistent across the various sizes. Finally, I grouped all of the Actions into a folder. Maybe later I can figure out how to auto-detect the dimensions and let the Action decide things for itself, if that’s possible.

Customer happy, me happy to move on to other things. 🙂

Dennis
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westin*nospam
May 3, 2004
(Dennis Kuhn) writes:

Thought I’d post my own solution for anyone searching the Google archives for an answer to a similar question in the future…
I ended up creating an Adobe Illustrator graphic of the logo; I previously only had it in Corel Draw and as a WMF (Windows Meta File) to retain the curves,

Ouch. WMF seems to use a resolution grid of someone’s notion of screen resolution. EMF is better, but still not as good as
PostScript/EPS/PDF.

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doctor9
May 4, 2004
westin* (Stephen H. Westin) wrote in message news:…
(Dennis Kuhn) writes:

Ouch. WMF seems to use a resolution grid of someone’s notion of screen resolution. EMF is better, but still not as good as
PostScript/EPS/PDF.

Not even sure what a resolution grid _is_. 🙂 Guess I haven’t run into anything that caused me to need to. Bottom line for me is that it’s a curve object as opposed to rasterized, and I can easily rotate and scale that object in Windows programs. For instance, a few years ago I created an opening credits sequence for a student film using a 3D graphics program that could fly WMF objects around the screen without me having to learn any complicated programming to get it done. Less spectacularly, but just as effectively, I could take a company logo and blow it up to 3 feet wide, and tilt it 20 degrees for a poster campaign with no jaggies in sight. I’ve even got my signature saved as a WMF, so I can digitally "sign" papers. When printed out, it looks like I just used a black sharpie.

My only experience with PDF is with scanning black & white pages; really lossy, but it’s great if you need to E-Mail a multi-page document to someone. I played around with it’s interactive form features, but I’d rather use (shudder) MS Office frankly.

Dennis
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westin*nospam
May 4, 2004
(Dennis Kuhn) writes:

westin* (Stephen H. Westin) wrote in message news:…
(Dennis Kuhn) writes:

Ouch. WMF seems to use a resolution grid of someone’s notion of screen resolution. EMF is better, but still not as good as
PostScript/EPS/PDF.

Not even sure what a resolution grid _is_. 🙂 Guess I haven’t run into anything that caused me to need to. Bottom line for me is that it’s a curve object as opposed to rasterized, and I can easily rotate and scale that object in Windows programs. For instance, a few years ago I created an opening credits sequence for a student film using a 3D graphics program that could fly WMF objects around the screen without me having to learn any complicated programming to get it done. Less spectacularly, but just as effectively, I could take a company logo and blow it up to 3 feet wide, and tilt it 20 degrees for a poster campaign with no jaggies in sight. I’ve even got my signature saved as a WMF, so I can digitally "sign" papers. When printed out, it looks like I just used a black sharpie.

Hmm. Have you ever, say, saved out a circle as a WMF, then zoomed in? Maybe it’s just Illustrator’s WMF export, but I got lots of little bumps whe I tried it. Yes, it was a line drawing, but it seemed to be drawing along square pixel boundaries.

Trying again with Illustrator CS, it’s much better, but still not quite as good as an EPS or PDF. PostScript and PDF both have curve primitives, and these seem to be converted to many straight segments in WMF.

My only experience with PDF is with scanning black & white pages; really lossy, but it’s great if you need to E-Mail a multi-page document to someone.

That’s sort of a backwater of PDF. PDF can be thought of as "cooked" PostScript: it’s not a general programming language, so it can be more compact and easier to interpret. It does real outline type and true vectorized curves etc. It can do raster images, but that’s not its forte. I suspect that has gotten a lot of work because of demands for digital libraries: folks would like to archive new works as nice clean PDF, but it’s nice to be able to read older scanned documents with the same software.

I played around with it’s interactive form
features, but I’d rather use (shudder) MS Office frankly.

Yuck. The greatest major deficiency I see in the Office suite is that

1. It doesn’t have respectable drawing tools, and

2. It doesn’t want to import from other programs (e.g. Illustrator) that do.


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doctor9
May 5, 2004
westin* (Stephen H. Westin) wrote in message news:…
(Dennis Kuhn) writes:

westin* (Stephen H. Westin) wrote in message news:…
(Dennis Kuhn) writes:
Not even sure what a resolution grid _is_. 🙂 Guess I haven’t run into anything that caused me to need to.

Hmm. Have you ever, say, saved out a circle as a WMF, then zoomed in? Maybe it’s just Illustrator’s WMF export, but I got lots of little bumps whe I tried it. Yes, it was a line drawing, but it seemed to be drawing along square pixel boundaries.

Ah… I created the WMF files by creating a curve object in Corel Draw, then exporting to WMF. Those WMF files could be scaled up to 100x their original scale with no visible flaws. Unless I had botched one of the anchor points, like mistakenly thinking a (mostly-smooth) cusp point was really a smooth point.

We all start somewhere; and my first vector-based drawing program was Corel Draw 4, and I still fall back on it for my PC-based stuff. I was able to get my Corel-based version of the logo into the photo studio’s copy of Illustrator, and after a few little tweaks, saved it as an .AI file for use on their Mac. Other than that, I don’t really use Illustrator at all.

I work mostly on photo retouching and restoration in Photoshop, but when my customer asked me to adapt their logo into an automated Action in Photoshop, I figured it couldn’t be too Illustrator-intensive, and thankfully I was right. 🙂 Hate to see work go elsewhere, know what I mean?

My only experience with PDF is with scanning black & white pages; really lossy, but it’s great if you need to E-Mail a multi-page document to someone.

That’s sort of a backwater of PDF.

Ack. And here I thought Adobe Acrobat was the beginning and the end of PDF. :/ Looks like I should do some reading… might be something I can use in the future.

I played around with [Adobe Acrobat’s] interactive form
features, but I’d rather use (shudder) MS Office frankly.

Yuck. The greatest major deficiency I see in the Office suite is that
1. It doesn’t have respectable drawing tools, and
2. It doesn’t want to import from other programs (e.g. Illustrator) that do.

Totally agree. Hence my need to keep my copy of Corel Draw. 🙂 I can export curve objects as WMF from there, and then import them as scaleable artwork into Office programs. Of course, I’m talking about b&w logo-type stuff, not complex, colorful clipart.

Dennis
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westin*nospam
May 5, 2004
(Dennis Kuhn) writes:

<snip>

My only experience with PDF is with scanning black & white pages; really lossy, but it’s great if you need to E-Mail a multi-page document to someone.

That’s sort of a backwater of PDF.

Ack. And here I thought Adobe Acrobat was the beginning and the end of PDF. :/ Looks like I should do some reading… might be something I can use in the future.

Um, Acrobat is what I’m talking about. Acrobat Distiller is Adobe’s tool to convert PostScript into PDF. Illustrator will also write PDF directly; I believe current versions even use PDF as their native format. And things like GhostScript will convert PostScript to PDF, though not as nicely as Distiller does.

<snip>


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