New Dell 2707WFP

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Vladimir_Kordic
Jan 30, 2008
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Hi again everyone..it’s been a while!

Once again, I was placed into a position of having to upgrade my system and once again I weighted the pros/cons of migrating to a Mac platform and once again after crunching the numbers…..I stayed with Dell.

This time I figured if I got a really good monitor and a pc system that would take me another year or two, the transition wouldn’t hurt as much since I could hang on to the monitor when I finally do make the switch….and it will happen…perhaps sooner than later.

To make a short story long…this most recent Dell purchase was by far my worst to date. Everything that could go wrong did including swapping out multiple mother boards and cooling fans to fix a hang on bootup. When that didn’t work, it was on to the processor and memory. And when that didn’t work, it was a replacement system. Add to that my accidental deletion of an entire JOB directory because I was careless and because my mouse pointer wasn’t pointing where it should have been in VISTA and you have another side story of finding file recovery software and service. The pointer was literally a quarter inch off to the right and down. I still laugh when the dell tech who was remotely controlling my mouse and selecting the wrong folders, said it looked "normal" to her. She had me reinstall the OS promising it would fix the problem…it didn’t.

Now the nearly good news and point of this post. The monitor I selected to one day take me to MAC land is the Dell 2707WFP. A very nice imitation of the Apple cinema line. The screen size is perfect! Not too big and not too small with resolution enough to do spreads without scrolling. However after Spyder2Pro calibration, the low end looks clipped and no amount of manual persuation or reconfiguring is changing what i see onscreen. Side by side comparisons using the same reference file with my old 2001FP are very noticable. the 2707 is just too contrasty down in the darks. The old Dell is using a VGA connection and running off an NVIDIA GeForce3 64MB card, wheras the new Dell is DVI using an ATI RADEON HD 2600 XT. My eyes are seeing better detail with the old setup!!

I can’t believe my old monitor is showing better dynamic range then the new 27 and so am asking what if any remedies I could try. Perhaps other calibration software/hardware but I doubt they would pull out detail that the spyder isn’t seeing??? Even the color is too punchy compared to the old monitor and I see no way of changing this in the RGB sliders. Tried them at the low range and at the high range but no difference in overall saturation. Now, it could be that my old monitor was off, but the printed photos I get back are generally very close, so I’m at a loss. Color settings in PS are identical as well…running sRGB color space. I like the monitor otherwise and would hate to send it back.

Would really appreciate hearing any advice on this and thxx is advance.

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Peter_Wing
Feb 1, 2008
Wrong monitor if color accuracy is goal…most LCD monitors are incapable of showing full sRGB gamut which calibration can not correct.
Several articles on Shootsmarter.com can provide overview (free registration needed). How to choose
< http://www.shootsmarter.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp ;task=view&id=164> Recommendations
<http://www.shootsmarter.com/content/view/165/>

Personally, I have extended the use of my Windows XP SP2 desktop computer the other year with purchase of a 19" CRT monitor NEC MultiSync FE992 which is no longer available.

So…my images are color and density corrected on the CRT and other retouching is mostly done on my Dell lap with a 1920 x 1200 pixels display…which is great for detailed work!! I would not consider evaluating critical color on the laptop although for some work I will just use the laptop which is also calibrated regularly…with the knowledge that it can NOT show colors as accurately as the CRT.

Adobe Photoshop CS3 extended is used on both with same license with is allowed. The X-Rite Monaco Opitx XR Pro is used for calibration.
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ID._Awe
Feb 1, 2008
Peter: Just not true anymore. I have two Dell LCD (2007WFP & 2407WFP) and they’re really good. I still have my old SG 24" for comparison and I’d never go back to a CRT. Can’t wait to get rid of that monster.

I use Monaco EZcolor with an X-Rite puck for calibration. The OS is Vista Ulitimate 64-bit.
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Peter_Wing
Feb 1, 2008
A problem with many LCD monitors is that their luminance considerably exceeds the recommended 80 cd/m² to 140 cd/m² range. This is a standard for PRE-PRESS use.
Reference:
<http://www.updig.org/guidelines/calibration.php>

The UPDIG Working Group current set of guideline Version 3 can be seen at: <http://www.updig.org/guidelines/index.php>
PDF of a Quick Guide (summary) is at:
<http://www.updig.org/guidelines/UPDIG_Quick_Guide_v3.pdf> UPDIG (Universal Photographic Digital Imaging Guidelines) <http://www.updig.org/>
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ID._Awe
Feb 1, 2008
Peter: Good link, bookmarked it. You can decrease the brightness to get the LCD in that range. I’ve been doing pre-press for a long time.
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Russell_Proulx
Feb 1, 2008
A problem with many LCD monitors is that their luminance considerably exceeds the recommended 80 cd/m² to 140 cd/m² range. This is a standard for PRE-PRESS use.

Some people are simply raising the ambient illumination in the room to compensate for bright LCDs. Saves a lot of paper wasted making prints that are too dark because images look ‘right’ on an overly bright screen.

Many color gurus disagree with this since it goes against the traditional wisdom for a digital imaging work environment – ie a darkened room. But you cannot argue with success so why not just give it a try 😉 You might also consider investing in some SoLux lighting so that the colour temperature of the lighting will be correct.

Russell
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Vladimir_Kordic
Feb 2, 2008
Thanks guys for your insights and links. I found this on the Monaco Optix Guide which should have been obvious…

"Gamma is associated with contrast because increasing the gamma increases the contrast in shadows and midtones while decreasing the contrast in highlights."

I carefully went over the options again in Spyder and noticed a "gray balance" setting that was defaulted to OFF. What I thought was gamma adjustments prior, because I was using the BRIGHTNESS/CONTRAST sliders, was actually white/black luminance adjustments. And so with this additional step, my latest effort seems to have tamed the harshness in the low end to a point where I can live with it.

However I’m still at a loss as to how to reduce the overall color saturation levels which really look punchy. Again, it could be that I got so used to my old monitor’s color that this monitor’s color looks almost garish to me now. Equivalent to a +20 in HUE/SAT in PS.

I shut off the option to adjust color this time using the RGB sliders and had the software make the adjustment after I got some really strange results adjusting them manually. Color ended up totally off. The RGB channels were set to 100,100,100 when I started and the more I adjusted…downward, the worse the color got. Maybe I should slide them all back to something like 80,80,80 before starting spyder??? to give me some room to slide them UP when needed. My previous attempts involved using these sliders with no problem BUT I didn’t do the gamma adjustment then.

I’m almost there and only need a few more tweaks so look forward to any additional advice regarding the saturation issue. Thanks again and have a great weekend!!
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Vladimir_Kordic
Feb 2, 2008
Russell, I forgot to mention that I also checked ON the option of measuring ambient light where I was required to reverse the puck and get a reading.

The overall BRIGHTNESS/CONTRAST settings on my monitor are set to the middle of the slider range so viewing it isn’t straining to the eyes. I really can’t understand the need to set brightness levels ridiculously high especially since print output is incapable of duplicating these levels anyway.

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