cropping problem – printing 4×6

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I have created a jpeg in photoshop (CS2) on a 4×6 canvas at 1000pixels/ inch (4000×6000…I know this is too big but that is another story). The image has three two photos placed in the middle with a colored background. The two photos (different layers) have equal spacing in between and from the outside borders. I tried printing this image at Costco, Snapfish, and Ritz Camera, but there was a problem in that the edges were "cropped" too short. That is, the spacing at the outside borders did not match the spacing between the two layers. I was told by everyone that this is a photoshop problem, but looks like it might be a problem with the printing??? If anyone has any recommendations to fix this, please post. Thanks!!!

How much too short?
Is the print 6 x 4 inches or a metric equivalent?
I’ve seen a number of 6 x 4 inch prints that were actually 15cm x 10cm (smaller)
Did you use the crop tool set at 6 x 4 at 1000ppi to resize the image before printing?
1000 ppi sounds a little excessive but it shouldn’t cause your problem. With your pixel dimensions I would expect a print of 20 x 13. (6000 x 4000 @300ppi)
Have your tried to get the print you want at 300ppi (just try it, irrespective of whatever reason you think you need 1000ppi) If the cropping is still evident, the problem is with the printing process, not PS.
The easiest way to achieve what you want would be to create a picture frame on one layer above the backround layer in a new image.
Using the rulers and guides, you draw the frame out to what you want with selection tools and you then fill the seletion with whatever colour/texture you want.
An easy way to do this would be to fill the whole frame layer with colour and using the shift key, drag out two rectangular marqueee selections and hit delete.
You can also apply layer syles to the frame layer to create the illusion of depth and shadow etc.
To use the frame image, select its background layer and use the File>Place command to put your first image into the picture.
It will come in with the Transform resize handles surrounding it allowing you to resize and place it where you reqiure.
Repeat for the second image.
Using the Place command does not affect the quality of the placed image, you can resize to your hearts content, without adding or throwing pixels away.

TWK

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I have created a jpeg in photoshop (CS2) on a 4×6 canvas at 1000pixels/ inch (4000×6000…I know this is too big but that is another story). The image has three two photos placed in the middle with a colored background. The two photos (different layers) have equal spacing in between and from the outside borders. I tried printing this image at Costco, Snapfish, and Ritz Camera, but there was a problem in that the edges were "cropped" too short. That is, the spacing at the outside borders did not match the spacing between the two layers. I was told by everyone that this is a photoshop problem, but looks like it might be a problem with the printing??? If anyone has any recommendations to fix this, please post. Thanks!!!

I meant to say, pixel density, ppi, only affects how the image is viewed, not how it is printed.
Print quality depends on pixel dimensions, not density.
TWK

On Jul 19, 12:13 am, "Toobi-Won Kenobi" <Toobi-won

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I have created a jpeg in photoshop (CS2) on a 4×6 canvas at 1000pixels/ inch (4000×6000…I know this is too big but that is another story). The image has three two photos placed in the middle with a colored background.  The two photos (different layers) have equal spacing in between and from the outside borders.  I tried printing this image at Costco, Snapfish, and Ritz Camera, but there was a problem in that the edges were "cropped" too short.  That is, the spacing at the outside borders did not match the spacing between the two layers.  I was told by everyone that this is a photoshop problem, but looks like it might be a problem with the printing???  If anyone has any recommendations to fix this, please post.  Thanks!!!

How much too short?
Is the print 6 x 4 inches or a metric equivalent?
I’ve seen a number of   6 x 4 inch prints that were actually 15cm x 10cm (smaller)
Did you use the crop tool set at 6 x 4 at 1000ppi to resize the image before printing?
1000 ppi sounds a little excessive but it shouldn’t cause your problem. With your pixel dimensions I would expect a print of 20 x 13. (6000 x 4000 @300ppi)
Have your tried to get the print you want at 300ppi (just try it, irrespective of whatever reason you think you need 1000ppi) If the cropping is still evident, the problem is with the printing process, not PS.
The easiest way to achieve what you want would be to create a picture frame on one layer above the backround layer in a new image.
Using the rulers and guides, you draw the frame out to what you want with selection tools and you then fill the seletion with whatever colour/texture you want.
An easy way to do this would be to fill the whole frame layer with colour and using the shift key, drag out two rectangular marqueee selections and hit delete.
You can also apply layer syles to the frame layer to create the illusion of depth and shadow etc.
To use the frame image, select its background layer and use the File>Place command to put your first image into the picture.
It will come in with the Transform resize handles surrounding it allowing you to resize and place it where you reqiure.
Repeat for the second image.
Using the Place command does not affect the quality of the placed image, you can resize to your hearts content, without adding or throwing pixels away..
TWK

It is cropping about 1/8 inch on each side (maybe slightly less). I don’t have the pictures with me right now, but I imagine it is inches and not millimeters, but could be wrong. Like I said, I tried it at three different places…actually four (I tried target too), and they were all cropped. I actually saved the file from illustrator as a pdf and opened it in photoshop and saved as a jpeg (Is there a more effecient way?). The 1000ppi was bad choice. I will try to reduce to 300ppi, but I don’t think it will really make a difference…I think it will still crop. I think this is a function of what they call "expansion or extension" due to the printers used. I appreciate your help!

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On Jul 19, 12:13 am, "Toobi-Won Kenobi" <Toobi-won

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I have created a jpeg in photoshop (CS2) on a 4×6 canvas at 1000pixels/ inch (4000×6000…I know this is too big but that is another story). The image has three two photos placed in the middle with a colored background. The two photos (different layers) have equal spacing in between and from the outside borders. I tried printing this image at Costco, Snapfish, and Ritz Camera, but there was a problem in that the edges were "cropped" too short. That is, the spacing at the outside borders did not match the spacing between the two layers. I was told by everyone that this is a photoshop problem, but looks like it might be a problem with the printing??? If anyone has any recommendations to fix this, please post. Thanks!!!

How much too short?
Is the print 6 x 4 inches or a metric equivalent?
I’ve seen a number of 6 x 4 inch prints that were actually 15cm x 10cm (smaller)
Did you use the crop tool set at 6 x 4 at 1000ppi to resize the image before
printing?
1000 ppi sounds a little excessive but it shouldn’t cause your problem. With your pixel dimensions I would expect a print of 20 x 13. (6000 x 4000 @300ppi)
Have your tried to get the print you want at 300ppi (just try it, irrespective of whatever reason you think you need 1000ppi) If the cropping is still evident, the problem is with the printing process,
not PS.
The easiest way to achieve what you want would be to create a picture frame
on one layer above the backround layer in a new image.
Using the rulers and guides, you draw the frame out to what you want with selection tools and you then fill the seletion with whatever colour/texture
you want.
An easy way to do this would be to fill the whole frame layer with colour and using the shift key, drag out two rectangular marqueee selections and hit delete.
You can also apply layer syles to the frame layer to create the illusion of
depth and shadow etc.
To use the frame image, select its background layer and use the File>Place command to put your first image into the picture.
It will come in with the Transform resize handles surrounding it allowing you to resize and place it where you reqiure.
Repeat for the second image.
Using the Place command does not affect the quality of the placed image, you
can resize to your hearts content, without adding or throwing pixels away.
TWK

It is cropping about 1/8 inch on each side (maybe slightly less). I don’t have the pictures with me right now, but I imagine it is inches and not millimeters, but could be wrong. Like I said, I tried it at three different places…actually four (I tried target too), and they were all cropped. I actually saved the file from illustrator as a pdf and opened it in photoshop and saved as a jpeg (Is there a more effecient way?). The 1000ppi was bad choice. I will try to reduce to 300ppi, but I don’t think it will really make a difference…I think it will still crop. I think this is a function of what they call "expansion or extension" due to the printers used. I appreciate your help!

Seems a bit long winded, is it something you created in Illustrator? If so, could you not have saved it as a PSd or JPG without going through the extra step of PDF conversion?
I still think it sounds like the prints are actually 15 x 10 cm, not 6 x 4 inches.
As I said in my later post, ppi (pixel density)only affects how the image is viewed, not printed.
TWK

TWK

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On Jul 19, 12:13 am, "Toobi-Won Kenobi" <Toobi-won

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I have created a jpeg in photoshop (CS2) on a 4×6 canvas at 1000pixels/ inch (4000×6000…I know this is too big but that is another story). The image has three two photos placed in the middle with a colored background. The two photos (different layers) have equal spacing in between and from the outside borders. I tried printing this image at Costco, Snapfish, and Ritz Camera, but there was a problem in that the edges were "cropped" too short. That is, the spacing at the outside borders did not match the spacing between the two layers. I was told by everyone that this is a photoshop problem, but looks like it might be a problem with the printing??? If anyone has any recommendations to fix this, please post. Thanks!!!

How much too short?
Is the print 6 x 4 inches or a metric equivalent?
I’ve seen a number of 6 x 4 inch prints that were actually 15cm x 10cm (smaller)
Did you use the crop tool set at 6 x 4 at 1000ppi to resize the image before
printing?
1000 ppi sounds a little excessive but it shouldn’t cause your problem. With your pixel dimensions I would expect a print of 20 x 13. (6000 x 4000 @300ppi)
Have your tried to get the print you want at 300ppi (just try it, irrespective of whatever reason you think you need 1000ppi) If the cropping is still evident, the problem is with the printing process,
not PS.
The easiest way to achieve what you want would be to create a picture frame
on one layer above the backround layer in a new image.
Using the rulers and guides, you draw the frame out to what you want with selection tools and you then fill the seletion with whatever colour/texture
you want.
An easy way to do this would be to fill the whole frame layer with colour and using the shift key, drag out two rectangular marqueee selections and hit delete.
You can also apply layer syles to the frame layer to create the illusion of
depth and shadow etc.
To use the frame image, select its background layer and use the File>Place command to put your first image into the picture.
It will come in with the Transform resize handles surrounding it allowing you to resize and place it where you reqiure.
Repeat for the second image.
Using the Place command does not affect the quality of the placed image, you
can resize to your hearts content, without adding or throwing pixels away.
TWK

It is cropping about 1/8 inch on each side (maybe slightly less). I don’t have the pictures with me right now, but I imagine it is inches and not millimeters, but could be wrong. Like I said, I tried it at three different places…actually four (I tried target too), and they were all cropped. I actually saved the file from illustrator as a pdf and opened it in photoshop and saved as a jpeg (Is there a more effecient way?). The 1000ppi was bad choice. I will try to reduce to 300ppi, but I don’t think it will really make a difference…I think it will still crop. I think this is a function of what they call "expansion or extension" due to the printers used. I appreciate your help!

You’ve got me thinking now, I shouldn’t matter if the print is imperial or metric, it is the same aspect ratio, 1.5:1, so they should print identically, though smaller in the case of the latter.
Unless the printer prints inches but crops them metric.
The problem I’ved had with this issue is when I’ve been sourcing picture frames, imperial prints won’t fit metric equivalents.
Is it possible the PDF conversion is introducing errors? Try saving from Illy in PSD or JPG format.
TWK

On Jul 19, 1:47 pm, "Toobi-Won Kenobi" <Toobi-won > wrote:

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On Jul 19, 12:13 am, "Toobi-Won Kenobi" <Toobi-won

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I have created a jpeg in photoshop (CS2) on a 4×6 canvas at 1000pixels/ inch (4000×6000…I know this is too big but that is another story). The image has three two photos placed in the middle with a colored background. The two photos (different layers) have equal spacing in between and from the outside borders. I tried printing this image at Costco, Snapfish, and Ritz Camera, but there was a problem in that the edges were "cropped" too short. That is, the spacing at the outside borders did not match the spacing between the two layers. I was told by everyone that this is a photoshop problem, but looks like it might be a problem with the printing??? If anyone has any recommendations to fix this, please post. Thanks!!!

How much too short?
Is the print 6 x 4 inches or a metric equivalent?
I’ve seen a number of 6 x 4 inch prints that were actually 15cm x 10cm (smaller)
Did you use the crop tool set at 6 x 4 at 1000ppi to resize the image before
printing?
1000 ppi sounds a little excessive but it shouldn’t cause your problem. With your pixel dimensions I would expect a print of 20 x 13. (6000 x 4000 @300ppi)
Have your tried to get the print you want at 300ppi (just try it, irrespective of whatever reason you think you need 1000ppi) If the cropping is still evident, the problem is with the printing process,
not PS.
The easiest way to achieve what you want would be to create a picture frame
on one layer above the backround layer in a new image.
Using the rulers and guides, you draw the frame out to what you want with selection tools and you then fill the seletion with whatever colour/texture
you want.
An easy way to do this would be to fill the whole frame layer with colour and using the shift key, drag out two rectangular marqueee selections and hit delete.
You can also apply layer syles to the frame layer to create the illusion of
depth and shadow etc.
To use the frame image, select its background layer and use the File>Place command to put your first image into the picture.
It will come in with the Transform resize handles surrounding it allowing you to resize and place it where you reqiure.
Repeat for the second image.
Using the Place command does not affect the quality of the placed image, you
can resize to your hearts content, without adding or throwing pixels away.

TWK

It is cropping about 1/8 inch on each side (maybe slightly less).  I don’t have the pictures with me right now, but I imagine it is inches and not millimeters, but could be wrong.  Like I said, I tried it at three different places…actually four (I tried target too), and they were all cropped.  I actually saved the file from illustrator as a pdf and opened it in photoshop and saved as a jpeg (Is there a more effecient way?).  The 1000ppi was bad choice.  I will try to reduce to 300ppi, but I don’t think it will really make a difference…I think it will still crop.  I think this is a function of what they call "expansion or extension" due to the printers used.  I appreciate your help!

You’ve got me thinking now, I shouldn’t matter if the print is imperial or metric, it is the same aspect ratio, 1.5:1, so they should print identically, though smaller in the case of the latter.
Unless the printer prints inches but crops them metric.
The problem I’ved had with this issue is when I’ve been sourcing picture frames, imperial prints won’t fit metric equivalents.
Is it possible the PDF conversion is introducing errors? Try saving from Illy in PSD or JPG format.
TWK

Usually in a lab a R1 machine is used for printing.
when the image’s dimention is not same as that of printing paper, the machine gives option to crop edges. It gives a small rectangle which the guy operating the machine can place over the image as he desires.

What i would recomend it ask the exact size of paper or proportion on which you are getting print.
it can be 5:7 or 2:3 or even 3:4
once you know the resolution.
Just change image size according to it and make sure when you give exact proportionate size in print.