Copyright or no copyright

WL
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willie_lawrie
Oct 15, 2008
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Hi All,

40+ years ago I bought a book from a dealer who sold antique Scottish books. It is A4 in size and has 400 B/W photographs of Scotland.
There is no date in the book but the pictures are late 19th century & early 20th century. There is a reference in it regarding the opening of a new railway line. That line was opened in 1908 and I’m guessing the book is circa 1910.

A few years ago I scanned into my computer several of the views. Like a lot of early photographs the skies are almost non existent. I took out the castles, bridges, etc and made up my own skies in KPT 6.
The finished results are A3 in size.
My question is – is the copyright still valid on the book or am I free to do whatever I want with them?
By the way the company who photographed and published the book is still in existence. Also I’m from Scotland but I’m curious as to how the book would stand regarding copyright throughout the world.
Thanks in advance.

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willie_lawrie
Oct 15, 2008
Hi Trez,

I know copyright law isn’t consistent from country to country that is why I asked the question and no I have no other intent re the photos.
They are as you say for my own use but I am just curious as to the copyright question. Thanks for the reply.
JJ
John Joslin
Oct 15, 2008
Your text is pretty illegible but that may be the result of scaling on the bevel and emboss.
TH
Trez_Hane
Oct 15, 2008
Copyright laws are not consistent from country to country, but generally copyrights can be surprisingly long-lived. They can also be renewed, and that applies both to the book and to the photographs therein. Since what you are doing probably does not qualify as "fair use" and, most important, since the company that published them still exists, your safest course would be to enquire of them.

IANAL, but I have had to deal with a lot of copyright issues in printing, and I can assure you that it is best to know if you are on solid ground.

Of course, if you are doing this only for your personal use, no one is going to care–but my impression is that you have some other intent.
WL
willie_lawrie
Oct 15, 2008
Hi John,

Thanks for the input.
This is the first time I have ever attempted to upload & access a photograph in a forum. The original size of the pic is 3508×4961 pixels, 25MB (flattened). The size on the host site is 640×905 pixels, 365KB.
I’m viewing it on a 17" notebook screen – 1440×900 and to me the text is clear and legible. Is there anything I can do to improve the quality?
JJ
John Joslin
Oct 15, 2008
As I said I think it’s the effect of scaling down for the web. It’s probably better at full size.

I see it like this:

<http://imageshack.us>

However, the line spacing (leading) is too tight and, if legibility is your aim, you need to be more sparing with the effects.
WL
willie_lawrie
Oct 15, 2008
Hi John,

I see what your saying but I think it must be the scaling down as it reads ok in print. Any thoughts on the copyright?
JJ
John Joslin
Oct 15, 2008
Ask the publisher?
DM
Don_McCahill
Oct 15, 2008
Or better yet, a lawyer?
DM
dave_milbut
Oct 15, 2008
a lawyer’d be my guess. if it IS in public domain (whatever it is, 70 years or summat) you may not want to alert the publisher to apply for an extension. i’d check a lawyer if it’s really a concern.

but then, like trez said in post 1 (hey I read post #1 – usually! :)) if it’s JUST for personal use, it probably doesn’t matter.
BC
Bart_Cross
Oct 15, 2008
If the company that published the book is still in existence, then I would contact them to see if they are re-publishing or renewed the copyright. I would contact the Scot gov web-site about copyright laws there.

McGoogle is your friend.
JM
J_Maloney
Oct 15, 2008
MacGoogle, Bart. Come on. 😀
BC
Bart_Cross
Oct 15, 2008
It was undue American influence on my Canadian sensibilities that caused that 😉
WL
willie_lawrie
Oct 15, 2008
Hi guys,

Thanks for the input.
‘a lawyer’, ‘publisher’ – I’m not paying for guys like that – that’s why I’m asking in this forum. I’m like Alice – just curious.

The photographs ARE for my own personal use. I did them (I think) in 1999/2000 when I was learning photoshop 4/5? and I had my brand new epson 1290S printer. I like experimenting and I saw the possibility to try something new with the pics.

You guys must have been in the same situation. Have you never looked at a really old (usually faded) photo and thought I could do something with that?

Regarding copyright. I have a book written in 1760. I doubt that it is still in copyright. Could I scan it and put it up on a website?
I have another book, written in 1846 with a lot of drawings of buildings. Could I scan them in and do my own thing with them?
Relax, I’m not going to, I’m just curious.

About the same time that I did the photographs I sent another one of a steam engine going over the Forth Bridge to a photography magazine asking the copyright question. THEY published the photo and underneath they replied similar to Trez’s post. It’s a grey area, careful what you do etc. Crazy. Why did they publish it?
I’m still non the wiser regarding copyright.
BC
Bart_Cross
Oct 15, 2008
‘I’m still non the wiser regarding copyright.’ because you didn’t Google like I suggested, it’s free!
WL
willie_lawrie
Oct 15, 2008
Hi Bart,

‘you didn’t Google like I suggested’

Aye, but you wrote Mcgoogle instead of Macgoogle!

Okay, I’ll dae it in a wee while.
I’ve goat tae go oot an’ buy somethin’ fur ma tea ye ken.
DM
dave_milbut
Oct 15, 2008
BC
Bart_Cross
Oct 15, 2008
That was dave’s fault, he’s an American.
WL
willie_lawrie
Oct 15, 2008
‘That was dave’s fault, he’s an American’

Aye but is he a Yankee or a gentleman of the South?
RK
Rob_Keijzer
Oct 15, 2008
Willie,

Did you scale down with the text layer (and it’s layer style) intact? The that would explain the exaggerated bevel.

Here in the Netherlands copyrights expire 70 years after the creator’s death. So if someone would kill me, they’d still have to wait 70 years (in prison I hope) to fool around with my photos.

Rob
RK
Rob_Keijzer
Oct 15, 2008
Willie,

Did you scale down with the text layer (and it’s layer style) intact? The that would explain the exaggerated bevel.

Here in the Netherlands copyrights expire 70 years after the creator’s death. So if someone would kill me, they’d still have to wait 70 years (in prison I hope) to fool around with my photos.

Rob
DM
dave_milbut
Oct 15, 2008
i’m a mets fan, from new jersey (transplanted in pennsylvania). not a yankee! 🙂
WL
willie_lawrie
Oct 15, 2008
Hi Rob,

Thanks for the input.
What I did was resized the image down, flattened it, then saved for the web. After what John said in post #3 & #5, I got to thinking (I know, I’ll get a headache).

I think I’ve sussed it out. As I wrote previous, these image psd’s were created years ago. When I opened the castle image in Photoshop a dialogue box came up with something like ‘text needs to be updated’ and I clicked update. Presumably this slightly altered the spacing or whatever of the text. I will have to remember that if I ever print out another copy.

That’s what I like about this forum. There are so many hints & tips re photoshop. What I don’t like about the forum is I’ve got to try and remember them!

I’ll have to cross your name out of people I want to kill. I don’t fancy being in prison until I’m 135 years old.
SB
Sandy Birrell
Oct 15, 2008
wrote in message
Hi Bart,

‘you didn’t Google like I suggested’

Aye, but you wrote Mcgoogle instead of Macgoogle!

Okay, I’ll dae it in a wee while.
I’ve goat tae go oot an’ buy somethin’ fur ma tea ye ken.

Wance yiv hid yer tea, hae a look here.

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/Ukpga_19880048_en_1.htm
DM
dave_milbut
Oct 15, 2008
. What I don’t like about the forum is I’ve got to try and remember them!

start a text document and keep it on your desktop. update it when you come across a good tip. that’s what i do.
WL
willie_lawrie
Oct 15, 2008
Hi Dave,

I’ve got a better idea – you start a text document and then when it’s full of tips you send it to me!

Seriously tho’ that’s another fine tip you’ve given me.
DM
dave_milbut
Oct 15, 2008
I’ve got a better idea – you start a text document and then when it’s full of tips you send it to me!

wish granted! this one’s a little dated, but:

<http://milbut.org/pstips&links.rtf>

it’s a rich text file, i open it in wordpad.
WL
willie_lawrie
Oct 15, 2008
Muchas gracias amigo!

23 pages of word text – I know what I’ll be reading in bed tonight! I hope it’s got a good ending.
DM
dave_milbut
Oct 15, 2008
I haven’t been keeping up with it recently, sorry.
DM
dave_milbut
Oct 15, 2008
you know, it just struck me, since you’re pretty new to this forum, have you been in the FAQ area?

<http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.ee747eb/>

lots of interesting stuff in there!

also the repository:

<http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/.1de5f905.2ccdf937/>
WL
willie_lawrie
Oct 15, 2008
Hi Dave,

Yes I’ve been in the FAQ several times before I came to the forum. Nobody would speak to me in there, that’s why I joined you lot.

I’ve never heard of the repository – is that no something medical? I suppos(itory)I’ll go there now.
DM
dave_milbut
Oct 15, 2008
I suppos(itory)I’ll go there now.

hehe. hold on to your socks. and have some spare time to do some of the tutorials!

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