"Standard" photoshop images?

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Ed Clarke
Oct 23, 2003
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I’m looking for a set of reasonably high resolution images of human faces. The images should be "print ready" from Photoshop 7.01 with the print size at about 8 inches by 10 inches. I’d like caucasian, negro and several "asian" faces (Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, Mongolian all are "asian" but look different).

The objective is to select the proper paper for my subject(s). In other words, "Is Hahnemuhle Photo Rag 188gsm Single Sided 8.5×11 a good paper for a middle aged African-American woman? Is Somerset PE Velvet 255gsm good for an Irish baby?"

Are there a set of standard images that "everyone" uses, or does someone sell something like this?
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JC
J C
Oct 23, 2003
On 23 Oct 2003 14:48:02 GMT, Ed Clarke wrote:

The objective is to select the proper paper for my subject(s). In other words, "Is Hahnemuhle Photo Rag 188gsm Single Sided 8.5×11 a good paper for a middle aged African-American woman? Is Somerset PE Velvet 255gsm good for an Irish baby?"

Is it April 1st already?

— JC
EC
Ed Clarke
Oct 24, 2003
In article <9z+>, J C wrote:
On 23 Oct 2003 14:48:02 GMT, Ed Clarke wrote:

The objective is to select the proper paper for my subject(s). In other words, "Is Hahnemuhle Photo Rag 188gsm Single Sided 8.5×11 a good paper for a middle aged African-American woman? Is Somerset PE Velvet 255gsm good for an Irish baby?"

Is it April 1st already?
— JC

Nope, and it’s not September either… 😎

I’m serious. My photoshop skills are rudimentary as are my photographic skills. I’m trying to minimize the number of variables in getting a good print from Photoshop.

Starting with an excellent image eliminates the photographic requirement. Starting with a "print ready" .PSD file lets me eliminate both photography and photoshop adjustments – the problem is limited to the icc profile and paper since the printer driver(s) and ink are fixed.

I’m about three quarters done with my first Photoshop class and I’ve just received "Real World Color Management by Fraser, Murphy and Bunting". The more I work with Photoshop, the more complicated it becomes and the complexity seems to be increasing at an exponential rate. Right now I’m simplifying the problem by concentrating on output to a specific printer – Epson 1280 and specific ink (MediaStreet Generations version 5 pigment/dye set). The two drivers that I’m using are the Epson RGB standard for Windows, and the Epson RIP for CMYK also for Windows. This later driver can wait until I’m happy with my output from the "normal" RGB driver.

I have a fairly good calibration setup – OptiCal with Spyder for the screen, and Profile Prism for the printer/paper/ink. I’ve even read the instructions (!) and know enough to print the test sample one day and to generate the icc profile at least twelve (preferably more) hours later.
JC
J C
Oct 25, 2003
On 24 Oct 2003 14:20:06 GMT, Ed Clarke wrote:

I’m serious.

Okay, I see that you’re serious. But I have to say, NO ONE in my over 25 years of publishing/printing/photography/darkroom experience has ever posed the question about matching racial skin tones to paper types. The idea is actually fairly absurd.

Take for example National Geographic magazine. Their photographers travel the world. But the same paper is used to print each issue.

— JC
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Hecate
Oct 26, 2003
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:54:19 GMT, J C wrote:

On 24 Oct 2003 14:20:06 GMT, Ed Clarke wrote:

I’m serious.

Okay, I see that you’re serious. But I have to say, NO ONE in my over 25 years of publishing/printing/photography/darkroom experience has ever posed the question about matching racial skin tones to paper types. The idea is actually fairly absurd.

Take for example National Geographic magazine. Their photographers travel the world. But the same paper is used to print each issue.
Just to point out that the way to get correct skin tones, which is what I think you’re trying to say above, is to expose for them correctly in the first place. 🙂

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Hecate

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JC
J C
Oct 27, 2003
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:28:27 +0100, Hecate wrote:

Just to point out that the way to get correct skin tones, which is what I think you’re trying to say above, is to expose for them correctly in the first place. 🙂

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But I’m guessing that Ed already knows that and believes that he can further optimize skin tones through estabishing paper types/grades, and this is a process that I’d not advise even attempting.

— JC
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Mr3
Oct 27, 2003
From personal experience; there is no perfect profile that applies to all images. There are too many variables and too much art in the artist’s eye. If you want to optimize your workflow/consistency/quality, pick several images from your portfolio and spend a day with each. After eight hours and multiple versions with a known image/paper/ink, your eye and experience will provide a basis for making adjustments to specific profiles. From there you can tweak the image to get the results you expect.

You have all the right tools and you are going in the right direction. Spend some time printing and critiquing your prints and the complexity of the process will fade away…

HTH

M3

"J C" wrote in message
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:28:27 +0100, Hecate wrote:

Just to point out that the way to get correct skin tones, which is what I think you’re trying to say above, is to expose for them correctly in the first place. 🙂

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But I’m guessing that Ed already knows that and believes that he can further optimize skin tones through estabishing paper types/grades, and this is a process that I’d not advise even attempting.

— JC
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Hecate
Oct 28, 2003
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:36:56 GMT, J C wrote:

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:28:27 +0100, Hecate wrote:

Just to point out that the way to get correct skin tones, which is what I think you’re trying to say above, is to expose for them correctly in the first place. 🙂

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But I’m guessing that Ed already knows that and believes that he can further optimize skin tones through estabishing paper types/grades, and this is a process that I’d not advise even attempting.
In that case, I’d agree 🙂

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Hecate

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