R1800 colors too dark

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KatWoman
Mar 17, 2009
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follow up from my last post
having had time to experiment

….old settings that matched were printer mgmt, Epson vivid gamma 2.2 paper premium glossy, PS set on relative allow printer mgmt
….now all the prints I make with same saved settings are too dark and too magenta
…using calibration on monitor from software based gamma program Samsung magic eye can see all levels of black and whites with separation on webpage test, do not have a hardware based tool

R1800 system display properties set to auto choose from profiles I see the profile and the paper profiles there (later tried manual select ee089_3
Epson default profile)
reinstalled same to make sure up to date

things I tried:
turn off printer mgmt, let PS manage, chose perceptual>>same exact results as first too dark,too magenta
turn back to printer mgmt in PS, set to perceptual in PS, gamma 2.2 in Epson driver>>same exact results
PS choose no color mgmt printer set to standard (was on vivid), try ICM on sRGB (same as files & camera)
PS back to printer mgmt, relative printer set to icm sRGB input standard>exact same results too dark, too magenta

make print in Windows wizard software>>same exact results

go back to printer driver-using my old settings that used to match>> manually by sliders >set brightness up and pulled down magenta>>much much closer to picture on monitor

UGH!! have to make 13×13 display prints and am wasting ink and paper testing all this (used 6×13 strips left over trims)
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Geoff_K_Jackson
Mar 17, 2009
You didn’t say what paper you are printing on. Different makes of paper can give different colors, even with the same settings.
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gowanoh
Mar 17, 2009
I presume you have a Samsung LCD panel.
My experience with a Samsung LCD panel and an R1800:
You must calibrate using a hardware based solution, Spyder or whatever, with the brightness and contrast set at their factory defaults. Presuming you are able to adjust RGB you can tweak these settings at the appropriate part of the calibration software routine. Color matching per se, but not brightness, should be very accurate.
LCD panels can easily be calibrated for color fidelity but not for matching the brightness of a print to the perceived brightness of the LCD screen. The calibration devices/software are unable to take into account the brightness of the LCD panel when they create a monitor profile that can be translated into the more limited reflectivity of a print.
This problem did not exist with CRTs because the brightness of a CRT more closely matches the brightness of a glossy print. If you have access to a CRT and can use it for Photoshop all your problem will be solved. Although there are instructions for trying to set the LCD monitor to a predetermined, and much lower than default, brightness setting these do not work and are a waste of time for most LCD panels. For one thing, as you have found for yourself, color can shift unpredictably
Once you have hardware calibrated for color there are several easy workarounds for matching print brightness.
An easy one is to create a test strip using different brightness settings applied as an adjustment layer just prior to printing. The new brightness/contrast control in CS4 is accurate enough. You will need to apply a brightness of at least 25 on the slider. Once you find a setting that you like that setting will work for the vast majority of prints and should be applied routinely before you print. You may also want to experiment with lowering contrast.
Then wait at least half an hour for the print to dry and judge the print on its own in whatever you consider normal/ambient light and not in direct comparison to the insanely bright LCD panel. Your eyes and brain simply cannot do that accurately because of the brightness mismatch.
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Wolf_Eilers
Mar 18, 2009
… do not have a hardware based tool

I’ve seen your flickr site. Your stuff is too good to not invest in a hardware colorimeter.
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KatWoman
Mar 18, 2009
second sentence
….old settings that matched were printer mgmt, Epson vivid gamma 2.2

paper
premium glossy

Thank you wolf
kind of you to say so

I will see if my friend can come over and use his on my machine

I went to Norman Korens page and it looks OK at 2.2 no wavy lines

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