Do you want the same source cloned onto both layers? You could just clone onto a seperate blank layer above your Lucis Art layer, then hide the Lucis Art layer to see the cloning on the other layer.
There is no way I know of to apply the results of the clone to two target layers at the same time. You could apply your clone to an empty layer with the "All Layers" option and then duplicate that layer but I don’t think that’s what you want.
I suspect what you’re trying to do is have a Lucis Art layer accentuate certain features so you can see them better but you don’t want the clone to take the Lucis Art effects into consideration. Is that correct?
If so, I think it is going to be tricky since a filter is involved. You might be able to achieve what you want by using non-linear history to apply the filter, clones, and then go back and remove the filter. I’m not in front of my PS computer so I can’t try it.
The other way would be to do the Lucis Art filter on a separate layer and then toggle the visibility on and off as you are working on your clone layer. That won’t give you both at the same time though.
If I have mis-understood and you just want to selectively apply the Lucis Art filter, it seems like that could be accomplished by just using a layer mask on the Lucis Art layer and "painting in" the effect where you want.
As you can see, I think it would be helpful if you could explain just a little more.
Clone what you want on an empty layer and if you want to have that on 2 different layers then make a duplicate of this layer and then merge the layers as needed
I forgot to mention, I’m using CS3.
Using the same clone source would not work, unless I’m missing something.
I would like to be able to set the source on the top LucisArt layer, and also the target of the cloning on the top layer. I do my cloning and CS3 is somehow repeating my exact action on the layer below which is the same file, but without LucisArt applied. Seems linking the layers would do this but it doesn’t.
For example, I see a spot that LucisArt revealed, I clone stamp it out and that same spot will be taken out of the layer below. When I’m done, I toss the LucisArt layer and use the one below.
I tried recording an action, but I couldn’t get CS3 to do the stamp part of the clone stamp, only the set source point. Also, tried taking the LucisArt out using history, also didn’t work. … Aaron
like it has been said before, you can use the clone tool so that the effects are placed on an empty layer so you source from the LucisArt layer and you stamp on an empty layer and then you merge the layer on which you stamped with the layer you want your adjustments to take place(select one of them, ctrl+click on the other and press ctrl+e). Or have i misunderstood your request?
Thanks everyone.
Dennis, You are correct. I know how to selectively apply the LucisArt filter, that’s not what I’m looking for. I want my end result to have NO LucisArt effect at all. I’m trying to use the LucisArt layer to drastically exaggerate flaws such as camera sensor dust, AND I want to correct these flaws on the LucisArt layer where they are obvious. The LucisArt layer is only for reference. But the trick is to get CS3 to do to the non LucisArt layer, exactly what I did to the LucisArt layer.
So imagine I have this otherwise nice photo, but the photographer (this happened) had an amazingly dirty sensor. Half of the dust spots I can hardly see, but the client wants it super clean. So I duplicate the layer so I have two exactly the same. I then apply a strong LucisArt filter the top layer which reveals all the spots including many I couldn’t see on the original layer. I’d like to fix all these spots with the clone stamp tool on the LucisArt layer where I can see them easily, then toss that layer. The original below would have all those spots fixed, but sampled from it’s own layer and stamped to it’s own layer.
As it is, I can click the LucisArt layer on, place my finger on the spot, then turn that layer off and hopefully see the spot and remove it from the layer underneath. Very tedious indeed.
…. Aaron
As I sort of alluded to in my first post, the difficulty is occuring because what you are using for "spot detection" is a filter and filters can’t be applied dynamically (Smart Filters sort of do this but not in real-time so they won’t work for you either).
If you couldn’t get the non-linear history brush to work, then the only other thing I can think of right now is to use an adjustment layer (maybe an extreme Curves with or without a blend mode, for example) instead of the Lucis Arts filter.
The process using an adjustments layer would be as follows: – Make a copy merge layer of the work so far.
– Add an adjustments layer to accentuate the defects you want to correct. – Select the copy merge layer and do your clone work there with the clone tool option set to use ONLY that layer (not All Layers).
– That should allow you to make your clone stamps while viewing through the adjustment layer "filter" but without actually cloning the the adjustment layer "filter" effects.
Thanks Dennis,
I tried the radical adjustment layer to help identify the artifacts. That worked somewhat, but doesn’t quite reveal all like LucisArt does. It does work. Just dump the curves layer when I’m done. The trouble is that I have to keep adjusting that curves layer to target various areas of the image.
I’ll play with the non-linear history thing. Have to do some study on that one first. … Aaron
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Thanks Dennis,
I tried the radical adjustment layer to help identify the artifacts. That worked somewhat, but doesn’t quite reveal all like LucisArt does. It does work. Just dump the curves layer when I’m done. The trouble is that I have to keep adjusting that curves layer to target various areas of the image.
I’ll play with the non-linear history thing. Have to do some study on that one first. … Aaron
I’m not familiar with LucisArt but can you adjust the settings on it to a neutral state after you’ve cloned out the spots/artifacts? In effect, removing the effect after you’ve accomplished what you want.
Sam
