Some Image Sizes Don’t Work.

JV
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Jimmy Vickery
Sep 20, 2003
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I have always been using the image sizes that were for, I’m assuming, web use. However, I just tried Photoshop’s other image sizes. One example is 8×10 inches. That’s inches not pixels.

However, I noticed that when I use that size my filters don’t work correctly. I only tried one and that was Texture. I selected the sandstone texture; however, instead of sandstone I just got what looked like noise. I have tried resizing the image but that didn’t change anything. I have tried changing the dpi from 300 to 72 just to see if that was what the issue was. However, that didn’t change anything either. I am out of ideas and theories of my own, so I was hoping someone here could shed some light on the subject.

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YrbkMgr
Sep 20, 2003
Jimmy,

Someone may come along and pop a good answer, but why don’t you take a couple of screenshots, post ’em on the web somewhere and tell us the link to the pictures so we can have a look at exactly what you mean.

Just be in Photoshop, do a "this is what it looks like normally" capture with Print Screen (so it includes the photohsop window), and then do a "this is what it looks like screwed up" capture.
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LenHewitt
Sep 20, 2003
Jimmy,

instead of sandstone I just got what looked like noise. <<

Did you view at 100%?
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Phosphor
Sep 20, 2003
Many of the filters are resolution dependent….
JV
Jimmy Vickery
Sep 20, 2003
YrbkMgr,

Sorry, I don’t know how to do a screenshot and I don’t have a website. 🙁

LenHewitt,

You were right, I wasn’t viewing at 100%. It turned out I was only viewing at 16%; however, when I "print" out the image it prints the image the way it looks at 16%. This isn’t a problem when I choose images that are sized in pixels, only the ones that are sized in inches. Is there a solution to this problem?

I’m assuming the images that are set in pixels are for web images. That is why I selected the 8×10 inches image size.
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YrbkMgr
Sep 20, 2003
I don’t know how to do a screenshot

As I said, use the Print Scrn key on your keyboard. You don’t need a website, there are plenty of free ones.

But I suspected the issue was what Len pointed out anyway.

when I "print" out the image it prints the image the way it looks at 16%

In the Print with Preview dialog, are you scaling to fit?
JV
Jimmy Vickery
Sep 20, 2003
Chris,

Oh, so then some of the filters won’t display correctly at 300 dpi?

What are the resolution dependent settings for filters? There maximum settings that is.
JV
Jimmy Vickery
Sep 21, 2003
YrbkMgr,

No I didn’t. The paper was 8.5"x11" so I selected a new image at 8×10, and for the printer I selected a paper size of 8.5"x11". I didn’t see that scaling to fit was necessary.
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YrbkMgr
Sep 21, 2003
I didn’t see that scaling to fit was necessary.

In that scenario it isn’t. It’s just that I never had a problem with sandstone filter printing correctly. Of course, I never send more than 150 ppi to my inkjet…
JV
Jimmy Vickery
Sep 21, 2003
YrbkMgr,

Really? Print at only 150 dpi dosn’t effect image quality for you?
JV
Jimmy Vickery
Sep 21, 2003
YrbkMgr,

Well, I gave it a shot. I created the new 8"x10" image at only 150 ppi and it still causes the same problem. Oh, well. It was worth a shot.
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Phosphor
Sep 21, 2003
There is no maximum or any resolution setting — many of the filters work in PIXELS not inches. So they will appear the same at 100%, but not when zoomed out.
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wes
Sep 21, 2003
Jimmy, have you tried to increase the relief of the texture. This will give the printer more to work on.

"Chris Cox" wrote in message
There is no maximum or any resolution setting — many of the filters work
in PIXELS not inches. So they will appear the same at 100%, but not when zoomed out.
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YrbkMgr
Sep 21, 2003
Print at only 150 dpi dosn’t effect image quality for you?

Fwiw, printing much above 200 is a waste of data destined for most inkjet printers. My tests, my eye, my images, 150 is exquisite. Higher shows no difference. Your mileage may vary.

If you post the PSD file somewhere, we can have a look at it and tell you what exactly the issue is. There are so many variables, but in general, you should be able to create a 300ppi image, apply sandstone filter. You’ve already said that viewing at 100% results in a good image, it’s now printing – something’s going on on how you print, driver settings, something.

It’s really hard to troubleshoot without either more information or seeing the image – don’t take this the wrong way but after spending over a year in this forum, almost every day, I have found that often times someone may think they know where the problem lies, but it turns out to be something totally unknown to them at the time – thus the learning process.

So what I’m saying is that you’re honing in on resolution and the potential for the filter to be misbehaving – it’s almost certainly not the case or this would have been reported by the many professionals that visit the forum. So it’s something else. What? Not sure.

The best way to tell is to get someone with experience to get a gander at the image and give you direction from there. Unfortunately, short of that, troubleshooting may be very frustrating for you.

Find a free website (geocities, yahoo, etc. – look up free web hosting on google). Pop up the image and I’d bet you’ll get much better help, much faster.

Peace,
Tony
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Jimmy Vickery
Sep 21, 2003
Tony,

I understand what you are saying, however, that isn’t necessary at this time. Chris Cox solved the mystery. The new image I was creating was giving me the new image in "inches" not "pixels", and that is why the filter effect was not displaying correctly because many of the filters work in PIXELS.

I thought it would be something like this. I was just confused because I "assumed" that if the filters were pixel restricted that they would be greyed out.

I am sure anyone could have answered this question had I done a better job at describing the problem and how it occurred. I really had troulble figuring out how to do that, I didn’t know how to describe the problem; because, not everything in Photoshop is labeled.

Also, you can relax. I didn’t take your post the wrong way at all. 🙂
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YrbkMgr
Sep 21, 2003
Jimmy,

I’m glad you got it sorted.

The new image I was creating was giving me the new image in "inches" not "pixels", and that is why the filter effect was not displaying correctly because many of the filters work in PIXELS.

In truth, I don’t understand this at all. But if it’s working for you then, "Mission: Accomplished".

Peace,
Tony
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r_harvey
Sep 21, 2003
It’s not that a filter works with pixels or inches, but the number of pixels it takes to do the effect, versus the resolution of the output device.

Say a single ripple created by a filter is 24 pixels wide; on-screen, it’ll look about a quarter of an inch wide. If you use the same effect on a high-resolution image for print, those 24 pixels might be printed 1/8 or 1/16 of an inch, so the effect is printed so tiny that it’s unrecognizable.

Is there a link to discussions of resolution, d.p.i., p.p.i., scaling, and such?
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YrbkMgr
Sep 21, 2003
That’s exactly where my head was at Harv – I guess it’s like when I first started photoshop, 80% of my issues were not understanding terms. Now it’s only 20% <grin>.

Is there a link to discussions of resolution, d.p.i., p.p.i., scaling, and such?

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JM
John Mensinger
Sep 22, 2003
Aside from all that…technically, "texture" is simply a form of "noise." I assume, you added texture to your image using Filter > Texture > Texturizer…

Did you try changing the Scaling setting? Getting the right scaling for your image size could be critical in getting the texture to look more like texture and less like noise–a noisy look usually resulting from Scaling that is too low, (small).
JV
Jimmy Vickery
Sep 22, 2003
John Mensinger,

Yes, I have adjusted all the settings. I had already considered your theory in the very beginning, because, I was sure that I was just doing something wrong. However, the "many" different settings didn’t solve the problem.

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