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For years I have been using ACDSEE (v5 I think; nothing useful came
with later versions) to view and organise my photos.
It has a "lossless" JPEG rotation feature, which I use for rotating
pics which were taken with the camera rotated into portrait mode.
Then I use Photoshop to create web albums, using collections of pics.
All worked fine, for years.
Then I moved up to Photoshop CS3 but this disregards the ACDSEE
lossless JPEG rotation; when it opens the rotated image, the image
shows as if it was not rotated.
Is there some config option in CS3 to make it work correctly?
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Bridge does the same thing if you rotate an image for preview in Bridge and
opening in PS.
Both ACetc and Bridge append a tag that is proprietary.
Why would you not just rotate the image to proper orientation and save it
that way?
"Peter" wrote in message news:qhnv56t6j471t3bo64tk8ad3ja0i9snhte@4ax.com...
I have found a weird issue with this.
For years I have been using ACDSEE (v5 I think; nothing useful came
with later versions) to view and organise my photos.
It has a "lossless" JPEG rotation feature, which I use for rotating
pics which were taken with the camera rotated into portrait mode.
Then I use Photoshop to create web albums, using collections of pics.
All worked fine, for years.
Then I moved up to Photoshop CS3 but this disregards the ACDSEE
lossless JPEG rotation; when it opens the rotated image, the image
shows as if it was not rotated.
Is there some config option in CS3 to make it work correctly?
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Peter <nospam@nospam9876.com> wrote:
> I have found a weird issue with this.
>
> For years I have been using ACDSEE (v5 I think; nothing useful came
> with later versions) to view and organise my photos.
>
> It has a "lossless" JPEG rotation feature, which I use for rotating
> pics which were taken with the camera rotated into portrait mode.
>
> Then I use Photoshop to create web albums, using collections of pics.
>
> All worked fine, for years.
>
> Then I moved up to Photoshop CS3 but this disregards the ACDSEE
> lossless JPEG rotation; when it opens the rotated image, the image
> shows as if it was not rotated.
>
> Is there some config option in CS3 to make it work correctly?
I don't know or remember which one really do the job, but some years ago I
too had photo displaying issue, and I did use ACDSee to manually rotate them
to the correct mode.
Then later I dunno if my newer DSLR cameras, or ACDSee and Photoshop have
the auto-rotating, but few years ago they started doing the right thing all
by themselves. Lets me check with Windows Explorer then report to you in
few seconds....
Nope! Windows Explorer doesn't display correctly but ACDSee does
automatically (I just CHECKED again to make sure I give you the correct
info).
What I am trying to say that may be *some* CAMERA may have the
auto-rotating feature, then save to EXIF and the photo viewer takes
advantage of this feature. And I don't have the answer for your specific
problem that I no longer have for quite some years now.
> I have found a weird issue with this.
>
> For years I have been using ACDSEE (v5 I think; nothing useful came
> with later versions) to view and organise my photos.
>
> It has a "lossless" JPEG rotation feature, which I use for rotating
> pics which were taken with the camera rotated into portrait mode.
>
> Then I use Photoshop to create web albums, using collections of pics.
>
> All worked fine, for years.
>
> Then I moved up to Photoshop CS3 but this disregards the ACDSEE
> lossless JPEG rotation; when it opens the rotated image, the image
> shows as if it was not rotated.
>
> Is there some config option in CS3 to make it work correctly?
I don't know or remember which one really do the job, but some years ago I
too had photo displaying issue, and I did use ACDSee to manually rotate them
to the correct mode.
Then later I dunno if my newer DSLR cameras, or ACDSee and Photoshop have
the auto-rotating, but few years ago they started doing the right thing all
by themselves. Lets me check with Windows Explorer then report to you in
few seconds....
Nope! Windows Explorer doesn't display correctly but ACDSee does
automatically (I just CHECKED again to make sure I give you the correct
info).
What I am trying to say that may be *some* CAMERA may have the
auto-rotating feature, then save to EXIF and the photo viewer takes
advantage of this feature. And I don't have the answer for your specific
problem that I no longer have for quite some years now.
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:19:54 -0500, Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com> scribbled:
>And I don't have the answer for your specific problem
But he'll waste your time anyhow.
>And I don't have the answer for your specific problem
But he'll waste your time anyhow.
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"lofi" <fac_187@hotmail.com> wrote:
>No.
>Bridge does the same thing if you rotate an image for preview in Bridge and
>opening in PS.
>Both ACetc and Bridge append a tag that is proprietary.
However, Photoshop 7 supports this correctly so it could not be all
that "proprietary" :)
Then Adobe dropped the support for it...
>Why would you not just rotate the image to proper orientation and save it
>that way?
It seemed that lossless rotation was a better idea than recompressing
the jpeg which is what happens otherwise.
I wonder if there is a way, say in Photoshop CS3, to run an automated
script which runs through a whole load of directories, finds images
which have been thus rotated, and re-writes them in the "proper"
manner?
I have 40GB of pics, of which maybe 10% have been rotated in ACDSEE.
>"Peter" wrote in message news:qhnv56t6j471t3bo64tk8ad3ja0i9snhte@4ax.com...
>
>I have found a weird issue with this.
>
>For years I have been using ACDSEE (v5 I think; nothing useful came
>with later versions) to view and organise my photos.
>
>It has a "lossless" JPEG rotation feature, which I use for rotating
>pics which were taken with the camera rotated into portrait mode.
>
>Then I use Photoshop to create web albums, using collections of pics.
>
>All worked fine, for years.
>
>Then I moved up to Photoshop CS3 but this disregards the ACDSEE
>lossless JPEG rotation; when it opens the rotated image, the image
>shows as if it was not rotated.
>
>Is there some config option in CS3 to make it work correctly?
>
>
>--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
>No.
>Bridge does the same thing if you rotate an image for preview in Bridge and
>opening in PS.
>Both ACetc and Bridge append a tag that is proprietary.
However, Photoshop 7 supports this correctly so it could not be all
that "proprietary" :)
Then Adobe dropped the support for it...
>Why would you not just rotate the image to proper orientation and save it
>that way?
It seemed that lossless rotation was a better idea than recompressing
the jpeg which is what happens otherwise.
I wonder if there is a way, say in Photoshop CS3, to run an automated
script which runs through a whole load of directories, finds images
which have been thus rotated, and re-writes them in the "proper"
manner?
I have 40GB of pics, of which maybe 10% have been rotated in ACDSEE.
>"Peter" wrote in message news:qhnv56t6j471t3bo64tk8ad3ja0i9snhte@4ax.com...
>
>I have found a weird issue with this.
>
>For years I have been using ACDSEE (v5 I think; nothing useful came
>with later versions) to view and organise my photos.
>
>It has a "lossless" JPEG rotation feature, which I use for rotating
>pics which were taken with the camera rotated into portrait mode.
>
>Then I use Photoshop to create web albums, using collections of pics.
>
>All worked fine, for years.
>
>Then I moved up to Photoshop CS3 but this disregards the ACDSEE
>lossless JPEG rotation; when it opens the rotated image, the image
>shows as if it was not rotated.
>
>Is there some config option in CS3 to make it work correctly?
>
>
>--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
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Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote
> Then later I dunno if my newer DSLR cameras, or ACDSee and Photoshop have
>the auto-rotating, but few years ago they started doing the right thing all
>by themselves.
Are you saying the camera has a rotation sensor (like an Iphone) and
writes out the Jpeg file in the right orientation?
Or does it just store some rotation tag?
> Then later I dunno if my newer DSLR cameras, or ACDSee and Photoshop have
>the auto-rotating, but few years ago they started doing the right thing all
>by themselves.
Are you saying the camera has a rotation sensor (like an Iphone) and
writes out the Jpeg file in the right orientation?
Or does it just store some rotation tag?
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Peter <peter@no-spam-thank-you.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote
>
> > Then later I dunno if my newer DSLR cameras, or ACDSee and Photoshop have
> >the auto-rotating, but few years ago they started doing the right thing all
> >by themselves.
>
> Are you saying the camera has a rotation sensor (like an Iphone) and
> writes out the Jpeg file in the right orientation?
I don't think I have ever mentioned the word sensor. All I said that many
newer cameras know how to turn you camera between Landscape and Portrait
mode, they put the information to EXIF or whatever to tell viewer what is
the right way to view the photo.
Or the photo should display right-side-up no matter you photograph in
portrait or landscape mode. And I have never tried to turn the shutter
button to lower-right, or upside-down to know if me cameras know what to
save to the EXIF.
> Or does it just store some rotation tag?
Something I don't know so I can't answer you. But if the camera can save
and view the photo information from the EXIF then it should need no manually
rotation.
If you are talking about util, then yes, I have used one over a decade ago
and it did a real good job ratating photo to correct display. And ACDSee
is/was one of the utils have the batch ratating option.
>
> Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote
>
> > Then later I dunno if my newer DSLR cameras, or ACDSee and Photoshop have
> >the auto-rotating, but few years ago they started doing the right thing all
> >by themselves.
>
> Are you saying the camera has a rotation sensor (like an Iphone) and
> writes out the Jpeg file in the right orientation?
I don't think I have ever mentioned the word sensor. All I said that many
newer cameras know how to turn you camera between Landscape and Portrait
mode, they put the information to EXIF or whatever to tell viewer what is
the right way to view the photo.
Or the photo should display right-side-up no matter you photograph in
portrait or landscape mode. And I have never tried to turn the shutter
button to lower-right, or upside-down to know if me cameras know what to
save to the EXIF.
> Or does it just store some rotation tag?
Something I don't know so I can't answer you. But if the camera can save
and view the photo information from the EXIF then it should need no manually
rotation.
If you are talking about util, then yes, I have used one over a decade ago
and it did a real good job ratating photo to correct display. And ACDSee
is/was one of the utils have the batch ratating option.
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An update on this old thread:
I started posting a question on the ACDSEE forum:
http://community.acdsee.com/forums/topic/does-current-acdsee -have-this-bug-fixed?replies=24
I think I have found a clear bug or two in ACDSEE, even though ACDSEE
deny any bugs. But it is odd that Photoshop has no config for this
stuff on files which it opens.
But it is an interesting lesson anyway. It appears to be a convention
that after any editing, the EXIF orientation tag should be reset to
'upper left' i.e. after any edit the image is the right way up
otherwise you would not be editing it in the first place!!! My ACDSEE
v5 doesn't do this.
The Jpeg rotation tag is a completely separate issue and it seems most
apps implement it correctly. The problem arises with newer apps which
*also* implement the EXIF rotation value.
Photoshop 7 has always worked for me well, with ACDSEE v5, apparently
because it ignores the EXIF orientation tag (which ACDSEE leaves,
post-rotation, still showing that the image needs to be rotated) but
it does seem to implement the Jpeg rotation tag, despite Photoshop not
appearing on this list http://jpegclub.org/losslessapps.html
Photoshop CS3 no longer works for me because it does implement the
EXIF orientation tag and thus displays the image in the form before
ACDSEE tried to rotate it.
Curiously Photoshop CS3 doesn't have any config for this. It has
'ignore EXIF profile tag' under file handling but this doesn't do
anything that I can see.
I have disabled the rotation tag in my Pentax camera and this solves
the issue completely (because now all images are recorded with "upper
left" and stay that way through any ACDSEE rotation) but e.g. a Canon
S90 camera has no config for this so the issue remains.
Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote
>Peter <peter@no-spam-thank-you.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote
>>
>> > Then later I dunno if my newer DSLR cameras, or ACDSee and Photoshop have
>> >the auto-rotating, but few years ago they started doing the right thing all
>> >by themselves.
>>
>> Are you saying the camera has a rotation sensor (like an Iphone) and
>> writes out the Jpeg file in the right orientation?
>
> I don't think I have ever mentioned the word sensor. All I said that many
>newer cameras know how to turn you camera between Landscape and Portrait
>mode, they put the information to EXIF or whatever to tell viewer what is
>the right way to view the photo.
>
> Or the photo should display right-side-up no matter you photograph in
>portrait or landscape mode. And I have never tried to turn the shutter
>button to lower-right, or upside-down to know if me cameras know what to
>save to the EXIF.
>
>> Or does it just store some rotation tag?
>
> Something I don't know so I can't answer you. But if the camera can save
>and view the photo information from the EXIF then it should need no manually
>rotation.
>
> If you are talking about util, then yes, I have used one over a decade ago
>and it did a real good job ratating photo to correct display. And ACDSee
>is/was one of the utils have the batch ratating option.
I started posting a question on the ACDSEE forum:
http://community.acdsee.com/forums/topic/does-current-acdsee -have-this-bug-fixed?replies=24
I think I have found a clear bug or two in ACDSEE, even though ACDSEE
deny any bugs. But it is odd that Photoshop has no config for this
stuff on files which it opens.
But it is an interesting lesson anyway. It appears to be a convention
that after any editing, the EXIF orientation tag should be reset to
'upper left' i.e. after any edit the image is the right way up
otherwise you would not be editing it in the first place!!! My ACDSEE
v5 doesn't do this.
The Jpeg rotation tag is a completely separate issue and it seems most
apps implement it correctly. The problem arises with newer apps which
*also* implement the EXIF rotation value.
Photoshop 7 has always worked for me well, with ACDSEE v5, apparently
because it ignores the EXIF orientation tag (which ACDSEE leaves,
post-rotation, still showing that the image needs to be rotated) but
it does seem to implement the Jpeg rotation tag, despite Photoshop not
appearing on this list http://jpegclub.org/losslessapps.html
Photoshop CS3 no longer works for me because it does implement the
EXIF orientation tag and thus displays the image in the form before
ACDSEE tried to rotate it.
Curiously Photoshop CS3 doesn't have any config for this. It has
'ignore EXIF profile tag' under file handling but this doesn't do
anything that I can see.
I have disabled the rotation tag in my Pentax camera and this solves
the issue completely (because now all images are recorded with "upper
left" and stay that way through any ACDSEE rotation) but e.g. a Canon
S90 camera has no config for this so the issue remains.
Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote
>Peter <peter@no-spam-thank-you.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote
>>
>> > Then later I dunno if my newer DSLR cameras, or ACDSee and Photoshop have
>> >the auto-rotating, but few years ago they started doing the right thing all
>> >by themselves.
>>
>> Are you saying the camera has a rotation sensor (like an Iphone) and
>> writes out the Jpeg file in the right orientation?
>
> I don't think I have ever mentioned the word sensor. All I said that many
>newer cameras know how to turn you camera between Landscape and Portrait
>mode, they put the information to EXIF or whatever to tell viewer what is
>the right way to view the photo.
>
> Or the photo should display right-side-up no matter you photograph in
>portrait or landscape mode. And I have never tried to turn the shutter
>button to lower-right, or upside-down to know if me cameras know what to
>save to the EXIF.
>
>> Or does it just store some rotation tag?
>
> Something I don't know so I can't answer you. But if the camera can save
>and view the photo information from the EXIF then it should need no manually
>rotation.
>
> If you are talking about util, then yes, I have used one over a decade ago
>and it did a real good job ratating photo to correct display. And ACDSee
>is/was one of the utils have the batch ratating option.
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