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Thu, 30 December 2010 03:32 Go to next message
jones (Photoshop begginer)
Been helping out a friend with old photos. Fixing them up a bit from tears
etc.

Trouble is he received them as jpgs and can't get the originals to scan them
in for me as a better format like BMPs.

Am I flogging a dead horse here, working with jpgs and returning them as
jpgs?

When I get them I save as BMPs a copy to work with. When I have finished I
keep the BMP for me, and send him back the jpgs as it is better for him
(smaller file).

I have Photo Optimizer, but I have noticed on other photos that it leaves
the words like ........... . com on the bottom.

These photos are later to be used elsewhere and maybe enlarged. I feel that
enlarging them later as jpgs will mess them up worse than they are.

Any suggestions please?

Thank you as always
Katherine
Thu, 30 December 2010 04:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Voivod (Photoshop expert)
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:32:40 +1100, "jones" <jones@nowhere.com>
scribbled:

>Any suggestions please?

Hire someone who knows what they're doing.
Thu, 30 December 2010 05:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jones (Photoshop begginer)
Like who - a professional?. This is all practise for me and I enjoy doing
it.

Any constructive suggestions?
Katherine


>
>>Any suggestions please?
>
> Hire someone who knows what they're doing.
>
Thu, 30 December 2010 11:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Voivod (Photoshop expert)
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:51:03 +1100, "jones" <jones@nowhere.com>
scribbled:

>Like who - a professional?. This is all practise for me and I enjoy doing
>it.
>
>Any constructive suggestions?

Don't top post. Learn to spell. How's that for constructive?
Thu, 30 December 2010 13:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joel (Photoshop expert)
"jones" <jones@nowhere.com> wrote:

> Been helping out a friend with old photos. Fixing them up a bit from tears
> etc.
>
> Trouble is he received them as jpgs and can't get the originals to scan them
> in for me as a better format like BMPs.
>
> Am I flogging a dead horse here, working with jpgs and returning them as
> jpgs?
>
> When I get them I save as BMPs a copy to work with. When I have finished I
> keep the BMP for me, and send him back the jpgs as it is better for him
> (smaller file).
>
> I have Photo Optimizer, but I have noticed on other photos that it leaves
> the words like ........... . com on the bottom.
>
> These photos are later to be used elsewhere and maybe enlarged. I feel that
> enlarging them later as jpgs will mess them up worse than they are.
>
> Any suggestions please?
>
> Thank you as always
> Katherine

First, you need to forget about JPG thinking as JPP is a fine format, I am
(or I was?) a professional photographer and retoucher, and I always work on
JPG. Matter fact, I almost never woprk with BMP to know much about it.

My suggestion is you may need to start asking for hint, tip, techni ue
etc. instead of sharing with us how horrible JPG may be.

Sending back a small JPG? it sounds like you are doing it for something not
helping out an old friend?
Thu, 30 December 2010 14:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lazarus (Photoshop begginer)
Voivod,

Is there a news group etiquette not to "top post"? If so, please explain as
it seems much more natural to me to top post... like email.

-Kele

--------------------------------
"Voivod" <Voi@vod.con> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:51:03 +1100, "jones" <jones@nowhere.com>
scribbled:

Don't top post. Learn to spell. How's that for constructive?
Thu, 30 December 2010 14:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Voivod (Photoshop expert)
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 09:09:08 -1000, "Kele" <Aloha@hawaii.rr.com>
scribbled:

>Voivod,
>
>Is there a news group etiquette not to "top post"? If so, please explain as
>it seems much more natural to me to top post... like email.

You appear to be able to read English. When the fuck have you ever seen
a book printed bottom to top?

The written English language flows top to bottom and left to right. Were
you to moronically top post in email to me I'd tell you the same.
Thu, 30 December 2010 15:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lazarus (Photoshop begginer)
If you are using Photoshop, you can save a "work in progress" as a Photoshop
file (psd) and it doesn't degrade (compress) further. When you re-open a
..psd file, it's as if you never closed it - no next generation image
degradation. Try to refrain from saving a JPEG repeatedly as each time a
JPEG is saved, the image (file) compresses further. If you receive JPEGs,
it doesn't matter to convert it to BMP since the original JPEG has already
been compressed at least once; you're not adding more information to the
image by converting it.

Your situation sounds like one that I had creating wake/funeral brochures
for family. I can tell you that consumer grade scanners aren't that great
at rendering subtle differences. For example, I tried to lessen the
contrast to see more shadow detail and there wasn't any. That is the
scanner's shortcomings more so than the file format (JPEG), and note the
images I received were provided from more that one person (scanner) yet all
were similar in this regard.

Photo Optimizer? You get the watermark on your photos because it's a trial
version; once paid, the watermark isn't applied. If you have a digital
camera, you may have the included photo editing software already on your
computer; try that. IrfanView (http://www.irfanview.com/) is a free
all-purpose image viewer and has some photo editing functionality.
Remember, don't keep hitting the Save button and overwriting the previous -
with each Save, the JPEG compresses and artifacts multiply.

If you're confident the photos will need to be enlarged, enlarge them
yourself - work with the enlargements. Allowable email attachment files are
pretty sizeable now (Hotmail is 50MB) so there's no reason you can't go big
for an important project. Another option is upload the image to the
Internet and the recipient can download (example:
http://explore.live.com/windows-live-skydrive). Better if they have to
shrink your photos instead of blowing them up to print or otherwise.
Something I learned during the funeral... punch up the color
saturation/vividness/contrast (just before detail is lost). Washed-out
photos are worse when printed and/or projected on a large screen in a not so
dark room.

Photoshop guru's... please let me know if I'm mistaken in paragraph one,
etc. (to include top posting).



--------------------------
"jones" <jones@nowhere.com> wrote :
Been helping out a friend with old photos. Fixing them up a bit from tears
etc.

Trouble is he received them as jpgs and can't get the originals to scan them
in for me as a better format like BMPs.

Am I flogging a dead horse here, working with jpgs and returning them as
jpgs?

When I get them I save as BMPs a copy to work with. When I have finished I
keep the BMP for me, and send him back the jpgs as it is better for him
(smaller file).

I have Photo Optimizer, but I have noticed on other photos that it leaves
the words like ........... . com on the bottom.

These photos are later to be used elsewhere and maybe enlarged. I feel that
enlarging them later as jpgs will mess them up worse than they are.

Any suggestions please?

Thank you as always
Katherine
Thu, 30 December 2010 16:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jones (Photoshop begginer)
Thank you KELE,
I think voivod is a troll who has nothing better to do.

To Voivod,
If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything.


Katherine



"Kele" < wrote in message


> Voivod,
>
> Is there a news group etiquette not to "top post"? If so, please explain
> as
> it seems much more natural to me to top post... like email.
>
> -Kele
>
> --------------------------------
> "Voivod" <Voi@vod.con> wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:51:03 +1100, "jones" <jones@nowhere.com>
> scribbled:
>
> Don't top post. Learn to spell. How's that for constructive?
>
>
Thu, 30 December 2010 16:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jones (Photoshop begginer)
Thank you again Kele,
You have offered good advice and will print this out for reference. Very
detailed and helpful.

Yesterday I received one to fix and it was all green. So I made it greyscale
and looks much better than playing around with the colours.

These pics go back to their "owner" to keep (fixed) until they are needed
for a special project overseas, so we won't know how they will be used.
Could be enlarged for framing and hung up around the walls.

You are right about saving often. I don't do that because of the JPGs. The
owner got them from others who scanned them in from the originals (wherever
they are), and passed on to different people as JPGs.

Thanks again for your help.
Katherine


"Kele" wrote in message
> If you are using Photoshop, you can save a "work in progress" as a
> Photoshop
> file (psd) and it doesn't degrade (compress) further. When you re-open a
> .psd file, it's as if you never closed it - no next generation image
> degradation. Try to refrain from saving a JPEG repeatedly as each time a
> JPEG is saved, the image (file) compresses further. If you receive JPEGs,
> it doesn't matter to convert it to BMP since the original JPEG has already
> been compressed at least once; you're not adding more information to the
> image by converting it.
>
> Your situation sounds like one that I had creating wake/funeral brochures
> for family. I can tell you that consumer grade scanners aren't that great
> at rendering subtle differences. For example, I tried to lessen the
> contrast to see more shadow detail and there wasn't any. That is the
> scanner's shortcomings more so than the file format (JPEG), and note the
> images I received were provided from more that one person (scanner) yet
> all
> were similar in this regard.
>
> Photo Optimizer? You get the watermark on your photos because it's a
> trial
> version; once paid, the watermark isn't applied. If you have a digital
> camera, you may have the included photo editing software already on your
> computer; try that. IrfanView (http://www.irfanview.com/) is a free
> all-purpose image viewer and has some photo editing functionality.
> Remember, don't keep hitting the Save button and overwriting the
> previous -
> with each Save, the JPEG compresses and artifacts multiply.
>
> If you're confident the photos will need to be enlarged, enlarge them
> yourself - work with the enlargements. Allowable email attachment files
> are
> pretty sizeable now (Hotmail is 50MB) so there's no reason you can't go
> big
> for an important project. Another option is upload the image to the
> Internet and the recipient can download (example:
> http://explore.live.com/windows-live-skydrive). Better if they have to
> shrink your photos instead of blowing them up to print or otherwise.
> Something I learned during the funeral... punch up the color
> saturation/vividness/contrast (just before detail is lost). Washed-out
> photos are worse when printed and/or projected on a large screen in a not
> so
> dark room.
>
> Photoshop guru's... please let me know if I'm mistaken in paragraph one,
> etc. (to include top posting).
>
>
>
>
Thu, 30 December 2010 17:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Voivod (Photoshop expert)
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:18:08 +1100, "jones" <jones@nowhere.com>
scribbled:

>Thank you KELE,
>I think voivod is a troll who has nothing better to do.

I have a few moments free to make fun of idiots like you, yes.

>To Voivod,
>If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything.

When they elect you queen of the world, you top posting imbecile, then
and only then do you get to tell me what to do.
Thu, 30 December 2010 23:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jonz[1] (Photoshop begginer)
On 12/30/2010 1:18 PM, jones wrote:
> Thank you KELE,
> I think voivod is a troll who has nothing better to do.
>
> To Voivod,
> If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything.
>
>
The only thing to do with voivod is to assign him/her/it to your twit
filter.

Jonz


> Katherine
>
>
>
> "Kele"< wrote in message
>
>
>> Voivod,
>>
>> Is there a news group etiquette not to "top post"? If so, please explain
>> as
>> it seems much more natural to me to top post... like email.
>>
>> -Kele
>>
>> --------------------------------
>> "Voivod"<Voi@vod.con> wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:51:03 +1100, "jones"<jones@nowhere.com>
>> scribbled:
>>
>> Don't top post. Learn to spell. How's that for constructive?
>>
>>
>
>
Fri, 31 December 2010 00:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
david johnson (Photoshop expert)
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:32:40 +1100, "jones" <jones@nowhere.com> wrote:

>Been helping out a friend with old photos. Fixing them up a bit from tears
>etc.
>
>Trouble is he received them as jpgs and can't get the originals to scan them
>in for me as a better format like BMPs.
>
>Am I flogging a dead horse here, working with jpgs and returning them as
>jpgs?
>
>When I get them I save as BMPs a copy to work with. When I have finished I
>keep the BMP for me, and send him back the jpgs as it is better for him
>(smaller file).
>
>I have Photo Optimizer, but I have noticed on other photos that it leaves
>the words like ........... . com on the bottom.
>
>These photos are later to be used elsewhere and maybe enlarged. I feel that
>enlarging them later as jpgs will mess them up worse than they are.
>
>Any suggestions please?
>
>Thank you as always
>Katherine
>
it really does depend on what size / res the jpg's are
and what you plan on doing with them afterwards

for example if you want to be printing them out, you need to have
pretty good jpgs. in the hundreds of kb not tens of kb. if you can
post one

if you just want for website then you'll be good to go

photoshop has many tools you can use
Fri, 31 December 2010 05:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Voivod (Photoshop expert)
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:31:27 -0800, Jonz <no.one@ishome.com> scribbled:

>On 12/30/2010 1:18 PM, jones wrote:
>> Thank you KELE,
>> I think voivod is a troll who has nothing better to do.
>>
>> To Voivod,
>> If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything.
>>
>>
>The only thing to do with voivod is to assign him/her/it to your twit
>filter.

Stupid people fear and hide from the truth. Cower, fool, in shame.
Fri, 31 December 2010 11:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Craig Schiller (Advanced Photoshop user)
Here's a top post for you, asshole.

Fuck right off and go back to the troll world you came from.

"Voivod" <Voi@vod.con> wrote in message
news:4j0qh6tb2a3nfi8j0j3g2a8adf0iu0fjra@isp5.newshosting.com...
> On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:18:08 +1100, "jones" <jones@nowhere.com>
> scribbled:
>
>>Thank you KELE,
>>I think voivod is a troll who has nothing better to do.
>
> I have a few moments free to make fun of idiots like you, yes.
>
>>To Voivod,
>>If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything.
>
> When they elect you queen of the world, you top posting imbecile, then
> and only then do you get to tell me what to do.
>
>
Fri, 31 December 2010 11:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Voivod (Photoshop expert)
On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:13:23 -0500, "Craig Schiller"
<cschiller1@earthlink.net> scribbled:

>Here's a top post for you, asshole.
>
>Fuck right off and go back to the troll world you came from.

It's so much fun when I don't even have to drag you down to my level.
You leap and slide so willingly. The fragile and imaginary moral
superiority is so easily broken. A few words, words mind you, the most
harmless of things, and you're spouting off like a drunken dock worker.

Congratulations, fucktard. You're just as bad, no... worse, than what
you pretend to despise.

Welcome to the dark side of the spoon!







I'm laughing at you. Still.
Sat, 01 January 2011 12:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joel (Photoshop expert)
"Craig Schiller" <cschiller1@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Here's a top post for you, asshole.
>
> Fuck right off and go back to the troll world you came from.

Heck, I don't care if you are an asshole or fuckinghole. But when you are
topper then you will be in my killfile

> "Voivod" <Voi@vod.con> wrote in message
> news:4j0qh6tb2a3nfi8j0j3g2a8adf0iu0fjra@isp5.newshosting.com...
> > On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:18:08 +1100, "jones" <jones@nowhere.com>
> > scribbled:
> >
> >>Thank you KELE,
> >>I think voivod is a troll who has nothing better to do.
> >
> > I have a few moments free to make fun of idiots like you, yes.
> >
> >>To Voivod,
> >>If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything.
> >
> > When they elect you queen of the world, you top posting imbecile, then
> > and only then do you get to tell me what to do.
> >
> >
>
Sat, 01 January 2011 12:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jonz[1] (Photoshop begginer)
On 1/1/2011 9:18 AM, Joel wrote:
> "Craig Schiller"<cschiller1@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
Promises, promises!!!

Jonz


>> Here's a top post for you, asshole.
>>
>> Fuck right off and go back to the troll world you came from.
>
> Heck, I don't care if you are an asshole or fuckinghole. But when you are
> topper then you will be in my killfile
>
>> "Voivod"<Voi@vod.con> wrote in message
>> news:4j0qh6tb2a3nfi8j0j3g2a8adf0iu0fjra@isp5.newshosting.com...
>>> On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:18:08 +1100, "jones"<jones@nowhere.com>
>>> scribbled:
>>>
>>>> Thank you KELE,
>>>> I think voivod is a troll who has nothing better to do.
>>>
>>> I have a few moments free to make fun of idiots like you, yes.
>>>
>>>> To Voivod,
>>>> If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything.
>>>
>>> When they elect you queen of the world, you top posting imbecile, then
>>> and only then do you get to tell me what to do.
>>>
>>>
>>
Sat, 01 January 2011 12:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Craig Schiller (Advanced Photoshop user)
Bite me, loser.

"Voivod" <Voi@vod.con> wrote in message
news:li2sh69l89f4c814t29cej78mot79m9qkl@isp5.newshosting.com...
> On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 11:13:23 -0500, "Craig Schiller"
> <cschiller1@earthlink.net> scribbled:
>
>>Here's a top post for you, asshole.
>>
>>Fuck right off and go back to the troll world you came from.
>
> It's so much fun when I don't even have to drag you down to my level.
> You leap and slide so willingly. The fragile and imaginary moral
> superiority is so easily broken. A few words, words mind you, the most
> harmless of things, and you're spouting off like a drunken dock worker.
>
> Congratulations, fucktard. You're just as bad, no... worse, than what
> you pretend to despise.
>
> Welcome to the dark side of the spoon!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm laughing at you. Still.
>
>
Sat, 01 January 2011 12:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Craig Schiller (Advanced Photoshop user)
Golly, that's devastating news.

"Joel" <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
news:idouh6lge5obkr4h2m3de79q18so4kq85v@4ax.com...
> "Craig Schiller" <cschiller1@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Here's a top post for you, asshole.
>>
>> Fuck right off and go back to the troll world you came from.
>
> Heck, I don't care if you are an asshole or fuckinghole. But when you are
> topper then you will be in my killfile
>
>> "Voivod" <Voi@vod.con> wrote in message
>> news:4j0qh6tb2a3nfi8j0j3g2a8adf0iu0fjra@isp5.newshosting.com...
>> > On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:18:08 +1100, "jones" <jones@nowhere.com>
>> > scribbled:
>> >
>> >>Thank you KELE,
>> >>I think voivod is a troll who has nothing better to do.
>> >
>> > I have a few moments free to make fun of idiots like you, yes.
>> >
>> >>To Voivod,
>> >>If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything.
>> >
>> > When they elect you queen of the world, you top posting imbecile, then
>> > and only then do you get to tell me what to do.
>> >
>> >
>>
>
Sat, 01 January 2011 18:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Voivod (Photoshop expert)
On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 12:51:10 -0500, "Craig Schiller"
<cschiller1@earthlink.net> scribbled:

>Bite me, loser.

I don't swing that way, Craig, perhaps you should look in the gay
fantasy groups for your kink fix instead of bringing your predilections
up here in the Photoshop group.
Sun, 02 January 2011 11:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jaSPAMc (Photoshop expert)
Works for me ...

Lets start a TOP POST so that VoidVo can Kill File all of us'ns!


"Craig Schiller" <cschiller1@earthlink.net> found these unused words:

>Golly, that's devastating news.
>
>"Joel" <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
>news:idouh6lge5obkr4h2m3de79q18so4kq85v@4ax.com...
>> "Craig Schiller" <cschiller1@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Here's a top post for you, asshole.
>>>
>>> Fuck right off and go back to the troll world you came from.
>>
>> Heck, I don't care if you are an asshole or fuckinghole. But when you are
>> topper then you will be in my killfile
>>
>>> "Voivod" <Voi@vod.con> wrote in message
>>> news:4j0qh6tb2a3nfi8j0j3g2a8adf0iu0fjra@isp5.newshosting.com...
>>> > On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:18:08 +1100, "jones" <jones@nowhere.com>
>>> > scribbled:
>>> >
>>> >>Thank you KELE,
>>> >>I think voivod is a troll who has nothing better to do.
>>> >
>>> > I have a few moments free to make fun of idiots like you, yes.
>>> >
>>> >>To Voivod,
>>> >>If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything.
>>> >
>>> > When they elect you queen of the world, you top posting imbecile, then
>>> > and only then do you get to tell me what to do.
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>
Sun, 02 January 2011 12:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Voivod (Photoshop expert)
On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 08:29:10 -0800, Sir F. A. Rien
<jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com> scribbled:

>Works for me ...
>
>Lets start a TOP POST so that VoidVo can Kill File all of us'ns!

I never claimed to have killfiled anyone, doofus. You'd hardly be
entertaining from behind a filter.
Sun, 02 January 2011 17:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
N[3] (Photoshop begginer)
"Voivod" wrote in message
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> I never claimed to have killfiled anyone, doofus. You'd hardly be
> entertaining from behind a filter.

You must live a very boring life, if criticising top posting provides your
entertainment.

Why not get yourself out of the 80s and text based screens and join the
world of the graphical user interface?



--
N
Sun, 02 January 2011 20:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Joel (Photoshop expert)
Sir F. A. Rien <jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com> wrote:

> Works for me ...
>
> Lets start a TOP POST so that VoidVo can Kill File all of us'ns!

You are no specialer than others. You will be sent to 300 days vacation

> "Craig Schiller" <cschiller1@earthlink.net> found these unused words:
>
> >Golly, that's devastating news.
> >
> >"Joel" <Joel@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
> >news:idouh6lge5obkr4h2m3de79q18so4kq85v@4ax.com...
> >> "Craig Schiller" <cschiller1@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Here's a top post for you, asshole.
> >>>
> >>> Fuck right off and go back to the troll world you came from.
> >>
> >> Heck, I don't care if you are an asshole or fuckinghole. But when you are
> >> topper then you will be in my killfile
> >>
> >>> "Voivod" <Voi@vod.con> wrote in message
> >>> news:4j0qh6tb2a3nfi8j0j3g2a8adf0iu0fjra@isp5.newshosting.com...
> >>> > On Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:18:08 +1100, "jones" <jones@nowhere.com>
> >>> > scribbled:
> >>> >
> >>> >>Thank you KELE,
> >>> >>I think voivod is a troll who has nothing better to do.
> >>> >
> >>> > I have a few moments free to make fun of idiots like you, yes.
> >>> >
> >>> >>To Voivod,
> >>> >>If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything.
> >>> >
> >>> > When they elect you queen of the world, you top posting imbecile, then
> >>> > and only then do you get to tell me what to do.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>
> >
Sun, 02 January 2011 21:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Voivod (Photoshop expert)
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:20:30 +1100, "N" <N@onyx.com> scribbled:

>"Voivod" wrote in message
>news:ajd1i6tc5ng69po1u47dgi800476tb80b6@isp5.newshosting.com...
>
>
>> I never claimed to have killfiled anyone, doofus. You'd hardly be
>> entertaining from behind a filter.
>
>You must live a very boring life, if criticising top posting provides your
>entertainment.

It has it's moments. How about you feeling you need to make a comment
here? Your life must TRULY suck.

>Why not get yourself out of the 80s and text based screens and join the
>world of the graphical user interface?

Wow, that was... scathing. I think I might cry now. You have hurted my
feeli... seriously I can't even pretend that hurt. Why dont'cha see if
there's a 'Flaming for Dummies' and give it a study, shitlips.
Sun, 02 January 2011 21:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Voivod (Photoshop expert)
On Sun, 02 Jan 2011 19:04:24 -0600, Joel <Joel@NoSpam.com> scribbled:

>Sir F. A. Rien <jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com> wrote:
>
>> Works for me ...
>>
>> Lets start a TOP POST so that VoidVo can Kill File all of us'ns!
>
> You are no specialer than others. You will be sent to 300 days vacation

So I get a free vacation if I top post?
Sun, 02 January 2011 21:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ArthurSimple (Photoshop begginer)
is this a real ps user group?
Sun, 02 January 2011 21:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
ArthurSimple (Photoshop begginer)
On Dec 30 2010, 1:32 am, "jones" <jo...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Been helping out a friend with old photos. Fixing them up a bit from tears
> etc.
>
> Trouble is he received them as jpgs and can't get the originals to scan them
> in for me as a better format like BMPs.
>
> Am I flogging a dead horse here, working with jpgs and returning them as
> jpgs?
>
> When I get them I save as BMPs a copy to work with. When I have finished I
> keep the BMP for me, and send him back the jpgs as it is better for him
> (smaller file).
>
> I have Photo Optimizer, but I have noticed on other photos that it leaves
> the words like ........... . com on the bottom.
>
> These photos are later to be used elsewhere and maybe enlarged. I feel that
> enlarging them later as jpgs will mess them up worse than they are.
>
> Any suggestions please?
>
> Thank you as always
> Katherine\
\

Sorry sweety, u probably can do nothing to get the images better then
they are (except; you could do something to make them "look better"...
depending on purpose you need them for...) Do not re-save them as jpgs
too many times. One time was too many for originals. Check what was
the compression they came in... this only to know what you actually
have in your hands... after editing save as jpgs only at highest q
with least compression or better without compression (maybe tiff)...
try not to edit "too much" whatever you do... any rotating, skewing
will move pixels and damage some detail areas and you don't want them
to do that... also keep editing at minimum if doing something with
color, contrast or any value there...
Mon, 03 January 2011 00:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Voivod (Photoshop expert)
On Sun, 2 Jan 2011 18:43:01 -0800 (PST), ArthurSimple
<artsimple@gmail.com> scribbled:

>is this a real ps user group?

No, you're imagining this. Go back to sleep...
Mon, 03 January 2011 13:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jaSPAMc (Photoshop expert)
ArthurSimple <artsimple@gmail.com> found these unused words:

>is this a real ps user group?
Depends upon your definition of 'user' ... see volvoid for an example.
Mon, 03 January 2011 13:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Voivod (Photoshop expert)
On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:05:42 -0800, Sir F. A. Rien
<jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com> scribbled:

>ArthurSimple <artsimple@gmail.com> found these unused words:
>
>>is this a real ps user group?
>Depends upon your definition of 'user' ... see volvoid for an example.

Aww, another name lame! How cute of you to regress to grammar school
level insults.
Tue, 04 January 2011 21:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jones (Photoshop begginer)
Thank you for your help.

The only thing I can do is my best. I am taking out scratches, odd pixels
and general tidying up.

Some of the photos are not very sharp, so I am blurring the background so
the people will stand out a bit more. If the photo are beyond help, I turn
them to BW/Greyscale instead of the colours they came with.

I have tried the Sharpen tool, but most of the time it makes things worse,
so I undo.

Will keep plodding along, he only has a few hundred to tidy up. I did offer,
so I shouldn't complain :-)


"ArthurSimple" <artsimple@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1f4259f1-8afc-485b-9d34-7e5f7d2addc6@n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 30 2010, 1:32 am, "jones" <jo...@nowhere.com> wrote:

Sorry sweety, u probably can do nothing to get the images better then
they are (except; you could do something to make them "look better"...
depending on purpose you need them for...) Do not re-save them as jpgs
too many times. One time was too many for originals. Check what was
the compression they came in... this only to know what you actually
have in your hands... after editing save as jpgs only at highest q
with least compression or better without compression (maybe tiff)...
try not to edit "too much" whatever you do... any rotating, skewing
will move pixels and damage some detail areas and you don't want them
to do that... also keep editing at minimum if doing something with
color, contrast or any value there...
Wed, 05 January 2011 01:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lazarus (Photoshop begginer)
Jones, you never said what you're using to fix photos. I play with HDR, see
here: http://www.stuckincustoms.com/hdr-tutorial. Software can do fake HDR
with single photos. Reason I mention is that a blurred picture can look
sharper after HDR processing. Another blurred photo trick is to convert it
to a cartoon; yup I'm a Photoshop plug-in cheat. With layers, the affect
can be decreased so the original shines through - subtle but effective.
There are some awesome color cast correction plug-ins too. Are you top
posting!?

------------
"jones" <jones@nowhere.com> wrote:

Thank you for your help.

The only thing I can do is my best. I am taking out scratches, odd pixels
and general tidying up.

Some of the photos are not very sharp, so I am blurring the background so
the people will stand out a bit more. If the photo are beyond help, I turn
them to BW/Greyscale instead of the colours they came with.

I have tried the Sharpen tool, but most of the time it makes things worse,
so I undo.

Will keep plodding along, he only has a few hundred to tidy up. I did offer,
so I shouldn't complain :-)
Wed, 05 January 2011 12:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jaSPAMc (Photoshop expert)
Experiment with area selection and "Unsharp Mask". Sharpen is just an 'edge
ring'.


"jones" <jones@nowhere.com> found these unused words:

>Thank you for your help.
>
>The only thing I can do is my best. I am taking out scratches, odd pixels
>and general tidying up.
>
>Some of the photos are not very sharp, so I am blurring the background so
>the people will stand out a bit more. If the photo are beyond help, I turn
>them to BW/Greyscale instead of the colours they came with.
>
>I have tried the Sharpen tool, but most of the time it makes things worse,
>so I undo.
>
>Will keep plodding along, he only has a few hundred to tidy up. I did offer,
>so I shouldn't complain :-)
>
>
>"ArthurSimple" <artsimple@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1f4259f1-8afc-485b-9d34-7e5f7d2addc6@n32g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
>On Dec 30 2010, 1:32 am, "jones" <jo...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>Sorry sweety, u probably can do nothing to get the images better then
>they are (except; you could do something to make them "look better"...
>depending on purpose you need them for...) Do not re-save them as jpgs
>too many times. One time was too many for originals. Check what was
>the compression they came in... this only to know what you actually
>have in your hands... after editing save as jpgs only at highest q
>with least compression or better without compression (maybe tiff)...
>try not to edit "too much" whatever you do... any rotating, skewing
>will move pixels and damage some detail areas and you don't want them
>to do that... also keep editing at minimum if doing something with
>color, contrast or any value there...
>
Wed, 05 January 2011 13:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John Stafford (Photoshop expert)
"jones" <jones@nowhere.com> wrote:

> I have tried the Sharpen tool, but most of the time it makes things worse,
> so I undo.

Copy to new layer
Filter - Other - High Pass (use 1.5 pixels)
Set layer mode to Overlay
Set layer transparency down, if necessary, until it looks best

Does that look better than using sharpening?
Wed, 05 January 2011 22:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Lazarus (Photoshop begginer)
I was wondering before switching to overlay. It's like a focus with minimal
change to the field. I just did an A><B comparison with your provided
method against nik Sharpener Pro 3 (my previously made "subtle" preset) and
I can't barely tell a difference - maybe a little halo with the high pass if
I look for it. Combining the high pass and nik layers work for a stronger
affect. Looks like instead of 1.5, 1.8 makes for more sharpening (I bet
that setting should coincide somehow with the image size). I probably
looked at the high pass filter and wondered what would I ever do with that.

Mahalo Nui Loa, John



----------------------
"John Stafford" <nhoj@droffats.net> wrote:
"jones" <jones@nowhere.com> wrote:

> I have tried the Sharpen tool, but most of the time it makes things worse,
> so I undo.

Copy to new layer
Filter - Other - High Pass (use 1.5 pixels)
Set layer mode to Overlay
Set layer transparency down, if necessary, until it looks best

Does that look better than using sharpening?
Thu, 06 January 2011 16:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John Stafford (Photoshop expert)
In article <4d253dd7$0$1077$afc38c87@read01.usenet4all.se>,
"Kele" <Aloha@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

> I was wondering before switching to overlay. It's like a focus with minimal
> change to the field. I just did an A><B comparison with your provided
> method against nik Sharpener Pro 3 (my previously made "subtle" preset) and
> I can't barely tell a difference - maybe a little halo with the high pass if
> I look for it. Combining the high pass and nik layers work for a stronger
> affect. Looks like instead of 1.5, 1.8 makes for more sharpening (I bet
> that setting should coincide somehow with the image size). I probably
> looked at the high pass filter and wondered what would I ever do with that.
>
> Mahalo Nui Loa, John
>
>
>
> ----------------------
> "John Stafford" <nhoj@droffats.net> wrote:
> "jones" <jones@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > I have tried the Sharpen tool, but most of the time it makes things worse,
> > so I undo.
>
> Copy to new layer
> Filter - Other - High Pass (use 1.5 pixels)
> Set layer mode to Overlay
> Set layer transparency down, if necessary, until it looks best
>
> Does that look better than using sharpening?

Sorry, I forgot a step. After copying to new layer, desaturate (unless
you are in grey-scale mode).
Thu, 06 January 2011 17:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jones (Photoshop begginer)
"Kele" < wrote in message news

> Jones, you never said what you're using to fix photos. I play with HDR,
> see
> here: http://www.stuckincustoms.com/hdr-tutorial. Software can do fake
> HDR
> with single photos. Reason I mention is that a blurred picture can look
> sharper after HDR processing. Another blurred photo trick is to convert
> it
> to a cartoon; yup I'm a Photoshop plug-in cheat. With layers, the affect
> can be decreased so the original shines through - subtle but effective.
> There are some awesome color cast correction plug-ins too. Are you top
> posting!?



I work with three progs - Photoshop - PSP - and good old standby Microsoft
Paint.

As I am still learning Photoshop, I find it easier to move among the 3 progs
for options that I feel the others don't have.

But will definitely check out your link. Thank you.
Fri, 07 January 2011 11:31 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Michael J Davis (Advanced Photoshop user)
John Stafford <nhoj@droffats.net> was inspired to say
>"jones" <jones@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> I have tried the Sharpen tool, but most of the time it makes things worse,
>> so I undo.
>
>Copy to new layer
>Filter - Other - High Pass (use 1.5 pixels)
>Set layer mode to Overlay
> Set layer transparency down, if necessary, until it looks best
>
>Does that look better than using sharpening?

I was just going to post that. Its much better than any sharpening and
mostly better than USM (which I only use at levels to reduce the effect
of the in camera anti-alias filter.)

I'd recommend layer mode to soft light (experiment between overlay, soft
light hard light, etc. and different levels of opacity/transparency).

Also I'd add that sometimes it can emphasise noise in out of focus
areas, in which case erase those areas in the High Pass layer.

I only use PS Elements 5 but it all works for me.

Mike
--
Michael J Davis

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