Final decission about Voivod

On Thu, 1 Sep 2011 16:22:12 -0400, "Ulysses"
scribbled:

when I first viewed this newsgroup it was fun.

Then you stuck around and it went downhill.

been using photoshop for years, but only in a
limited capacity, for photos and wanted to learn more.

Like your ability to use English.

so here i am. some of the group members are OK,

So there you are. No one fucking cares.

others are not have put up with voivod long enough
HE IS BLOCKED, good bye asshole

It’s utterly PATHETIC that you feel the need to publicly announce you’re kill filing someone, coward.

Oh no, I sometimes I catch a phrase or two from Voivo in your contributions.

Once in a while I do learn something from lurking here… Opacity vs fill for example. Good, I’ve been using the correct one for what I do. Someday I hope to learn about Paths and Channels. And cutting out the background from a foreground is painful; there must be a more pleasant way. So we have a similar reason for being here.

PS: I have battled many viruses; have a few in confinement right now. Prolly anti-virus software writers also create viruses to sell more anti-virus software. I had the same virus a couple times – it ate old Norton first. Since then I use another necessary evil virus jailer that requires a password to make changes to it. That seems smart to keep from getting eaten (rendered worthless). Just to keep the adware at bay, I sometimes turn on PeerBlock w/Spyware and Advertising lists active. It’s like a mini firewall.

http://www.peerblock.com/

"Ulysses" wrote:

when I first viewed this newsgroup it was fun.
been using photoshop for years, but only in a
limited capacity, for photos and wanted to learn more.
so here i am. some of the group members are OK,
others are not have put up with voivod long enough
HE IS BLOCKED, good bye asshole

The best way to learn photoshop is to read the tutorials But some of us get into a rut and , without thnking,
do our routine to accomplish a project. the learning cycle slows down. The next best thing is to go into a newsgroup. Read and learn from others. Join in and participate in the discusions. You may be criticised for your stupidity, but that is how one learns Keep this in mind, if i was an expert in photoshop, i would NOT be here Ulysses

"Kele" wrote in message

Oh no, I sometimes I catch a phrase or two from Voivo in your contributions.

I blocked Voivd whoever from the start. Been on newsgroups for a long time now (like the so-called "spiritual" -NewAge ones which are the worst for troublemaking) At first I thought it was mean and judgemental to block people and not give attention to them. I mean, they are expressing themselves in their own way, for whatever reasons. But now I don’t think it’s judging them (as people) just making a peaceful choice, myself. The idea of fighting with them (trying to change them?) and blocking them and announcing this, gives them attention, too. Which seems to be what they want and need.

Once in a while I do learn something from lurking here… Opacity vs fill for example. Good, I’ve been using the correct one for what I do. Someday I hope to learn about Paths and Channels. And cutting out the background from a foreground is painful; there must be a more pleasant way. So we have a similar reason for being here.

Have you tried the extract tool in filters? I never knew what it was or did until recently when I did a lesson using it.
I had a chance to see some of the Lynda.com videos on Photoshop (the basics) and learned a lot from them. For me, it seems easier to do while I see someone else doing (though I have to keep pausing it a times) Also, I have 2 monitors so I can play the video on one. Though a lot of it (like channels and layers) is kind of complex, and a lot of steps, and after I don’t usually remember much of it. Like it will say open the channels palette and do this or that.
I try several things to cut out the background, like Q (quick mask) or the magic wands and eraser and such.
I’m just starting to think maybe I know a little bit about some of all it does.
I have found out you have to duplicate the layer to do some things with it (not just have the first background) like put the style effects on. And some of those like drop shadow, if you want them on something in the picture, have to be on a layer with transparency (back to taking the background out of it)
I sometimes look in google and find tutorials that I learn something from. And, of course, this newsgroup.
Oh another thing I learned from Lynda.com, at one time
Brightness/Contrast wasn’t used much. Or we were told in tutorials not to. But in the newer PS (maybe from CS2 or 3 on) it works much better, and can be tried to see what looks best. And levels. I mainly was using "shadow and highlights" (to lighten dark pictures) and or curves. I still do, I try different things.
There’s so many ways to do so much.
I had a picture I once took of a black cow standing in a pasture, and last mnight came across it and wanted to make it purple (old poem "I never saw a purple cow, I never hope to see one. But I can tell you anyhow I’d rather see than be one") Kept trying different ways, took the color out of the cow and used hue/saturation and tried to use channels, etc. Nothing seemed right (however right a purple cow is) and I gave up. But, in the meantime I got sidetracked and forgot I was boiling spaghetti and burned it. I wonder how many people using/learning Photoshop that happens to? I have a timer I can set on the desktop but apparently set it for too long. And never did get a good purple cow. (it was just a whim at the time)

PS: I have battled many viruses; have a few in confinement right now. Prolly anti-virus software writers also create viruses to sell more anti-virus software.

I have said this same thing LOL Who has a vested interest in having viruses?

I had the same virus a couple times – it ate old

Norton first. Since then I use another necessary evil virus jailer that requires a password to make changes to it. That seems smart to keep from getting eaten (rendered worthless). Just to keep the adware at bay, I sometimes turn on PeerBlock w/Spyware and Advertising lists active. It’s like a mini firewall.

http://www.peerblock.com/

I use Avast (free) and run scans with other things like Malwarebytes or Spybot Search & Destroy. Superantispyware. Have to be careful and get something recommended because a lot of spyware says it’s ANTI spyware.

Computers make our lives so much easier and simplier and save us all this time LOL (I think my computer- and my dog for that matter, own me)

"Ulysses" wrote:

when I first viewed this newsgroup it was fun.
been using photoshop for years, but only in a
limited capacity, for photos and wanted to learn more.
so here i am. some of the group members are OK,
others are not have put up with voivod long enough
HE IS BLOCKED, good bye asshole

"Ulysses" wrote in message

The best way to learn photoshop is to read the tutorials But some of us get into a rut and , without thnking,
do our routine to accomplish a project. the learning cycle slows down. The next best thing is to go into a newsgroup. Read and learn from others. Join in and participate in the discusions. You may be criticised for your stupidity, but that is how one learns Keep this in mind, if i was an expert in photoshop, i would NOT be here Ulysses

I think the best way (or one of them) is to do things with it. Think of something you want to do and try things, for example. Like yesterday I tried to make a purple cow (trying to remember what I’d learned from tutorials along the way) There are so many ways to do things, and people who write tutorials have their own way. Like I have found easier ways to do things that I’d once done a complex tutorial about, to get the same results. Of course, people to people is always good, too for learning.

On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 10:43:03 -0400, "Carrie"
wrote:

"Ulysses" wrote in message

The best way to learn photoshop is to read the tutorials But some of us get into a rut and , without thnking,
do our routine to accomplish a project. the learning cycle slows down. The next best thing is to go into a newsgroup. Read and learn from others. Join in and participate in the discusions. You may be criticised for your stupidity, but that is how one learns Keep this in mind, if i was an expert in photoshop, i would NOT be here Ulysses

I think the best way (or one of them) is to do things with it. Think of something you want to do and try things, for example. Like yesterday I tried to make a purple cow (trying to remember what I’d learned from tutorials along the way) There are so many ways to do things, and people who write tutorials have their own way. Like I have found easier ways to do things that I’d once done a complex tutorial about, to get the same results. Of course, people to people is always good, too for learning.

Here’s a purple cow for you:
http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/i-Fc3LrS5/0/X3/i-Fc3LrS 5-X3.jpg

—
Tony Cooper – Orlando, Florida

"tony cooper" wrote in message

On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 10:43:03 -0400, "Carrie"
wrote:

"Ulysses" wrote in message

The best way to learn photoshop is to read the tutorials But some of us get into a rut and , without thnking,
do our routine to accomplish a project. the learning cycle slows down. The next best thing is to go into a newsgroup. Read and learn from others. Join in and participate in the discusions. You may be criticised for your stupidity, but that is how one learns Keep this in mind, if i was an expert in photoshop, i would NOT be here Ulysses

I think the best way (or one of them) is to do things with it. Think of something you want to do and try things, for example. Like yesterday I tried
to make a purple cow (trying to remember what I’d learned from tutorials along the way) There are so many ways to do things, and people who write tutorials have their own way. Like I have found easier ways to do things that I’d once done a complex tutorial about, to get the same results. Of course, people to people is always good, too for learning.

Here’s a purple cow for you:
http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/i-Fc3LrS5/0/X3/i-Fc3LrS 5-X3.jpg

Oh that’s nice!
Here’s one of mine (I know it’s messy, it was just something I thought of and didn’t put much effort into (LOL)
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa455/starchild_dreams3/ purpleCow.jpg The cow was black, that didn’t help, even desatuated or lightened, there was no contrast and nighlights.
This is much more fun than talking about Voivod LOL
Replace it with something more interesting….

—
Tony Cooper – Orlando, Florida

On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 14:32:11 -0400, "Carrie"
wrote:

"tony cooper" wrote in message

On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 10:43:03 -0400, "Carrie"
wrote:

"Ulysses" wrote in message

The best way to learn photoshop is to read the tutorials But some of us get into a rut and , without thnking,
do our routine to accomplish a project. the learning cycle slows down. The next best thing is to go into a newsgroup. Read and learn from others. Join in and participate in the discusions. You may be criticised for your stupidity, but that is how one learns Keep this in mind, if i was an expert in photoshop, i would NOT be here Ulysses

I think the best way (or one of them) is to do things with it. Think of something you want to do and try things, for example. Like yesterday I tried
to make a purple cow (trying to remember what I’d learned from tutorials along the way) There are so many ways to do things, and people who write tutorials have their own way. Like I have found easier ways to do things that I’d once done a complex tutorial about, to get the same results. Of course, people to people is always good, too for learning.

Here’s a purple cow for you:
http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/i-Fc3LrS5/0/X3/i-Fc3LrS 5-X3.jpg

Oh that’s nice!
Here’s one of mine (I know it’s messy, it was just something I thought of and didn’t put much effort into (LOL)
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa455/starchild_dreams3/ purpleCow.jpg The cow was black, that didn’t help, even desatuated or lightened, there was no contrast and nighlights.
This is much more fun than talking about Voivod LOL
Replace it with something more interesting….

I don’t have a black cow image in my files, but I have a black bird that I quickly made into a purple bird.

http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/i-QLKQjnT/0/X2/i-QLKQjn T-X2.jpg

The easiest way to go about this is to first Control-J and make a duplicate layer and work on that. Then make a selection of the object, or part of the object, that you want to change the color of. I have CS4 and used the Quick Selection Tool. Save the selection in case you want to try a different color.

Choose the Brush and set the brush to Color. Pick your color as the foreground color. With the object as a Selection, you can use a very large brush and not worry about coloring outside of the Selection. The color will be in the Selection only.

I swiped a huge purple brush over the Selection coloring in everything. I then used the Eraser tool to remove the color from the eye, the beak, and one leg that got in the Selection.

If you want to tone it down a little, lower the Opacity of the layer.

Five minutes, or less, for the job.

Here’s one I did a while back and call it "A horse of a different color".

http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/i-GQG7ZHk/0/X2/i-GQG7ZH k-X2.jpg

—
Tony Cooper – Orlando, Florida

"tony cooper" wrote in message

On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 14:32:11 -0400, "Carrie"
wrote:

"tony cooper" wrote in message

On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 10:43:03 -0400, "Carrie"
wrote:

"Ulysses" wrote in message

The best way to learn photoshop is to read the tutorials But some of us get into a rut and , without thnking,
do our routine to accomplish a project. the learning cycle slows down. The next best thing is to go into a newsgroup. Read and learn from others. Join in and participate in the discusions. You may be criticised for your stupidity, but that is how one learns Keep this in mind, if i was an expert in photoshop, i would NOT be here
Ulysses

I think the best way (or one of them) is to do things with it. Think of
something you want to do and try things, for example. Like yesterday I tried
to make a purple cow (trying to remember what I’d learned from tutorials along the way) There are so many ways to do things, and people who write tutorials have their own way. Like I have found easier ways to do things that I’d once done a complex tutorial about, to get the same results. Of course, people to people is always good, too for learning.

Here’s a purple cow for you:
http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/i-Fc3LrS5/0/X3/i-Fc3LrS 5-X3.jpg

Oh that’s nice!
Here’s one of mine (I know it’s messy, it was just something I thought of
and didn’t put much effort into (LOL)
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa455/starchild_dreams3/ purpleCow.jpg The cow was black, that didn’t help, even desatuated or lightened, there was no contrast and nighlights.
This is much more fun than talking about Voivod LOL
Replace it with something more interesting….

I don’t have a black cow image in my files, but I have a black bird that I quickly made into a purple bird.

http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/i-QLKQjnT/0/X2/i-QLKQjn T-X2.jpg
The easiest way to go about this is to first Control-J and make a duplicate layer and work on that. Then make a selection of the object, or part of the object, that you want to change the color of. I have CS4 and used the Quick Selection Tool. Save the selection in case you want to try a different color.

Choose the Brush and set the brush to Color. Pick your color as the foreground color. With the object as a Selection, you can use a very large brush and not worry about coloring outside of the Selection. The color will be in the Selection only.

I swiped a huge purple brush over the Selection coloring in everything. I then used the Eraser tool to remove the color from the eye, the beak, and one leg that got in the Selection.

If you want to tone it down a little, lower the Opacity of the layer.
Five minutes, or less, for the job.

Here’s one I did a while back and call it "A horse of a different color".

http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/i-GQG7ZHk/0/X2/i-GQG7ZH k-X2.jpg

Oh nice! Gonna print this out for my notes and find another cow.I think a lighter colored one might help. The purple cow idea was just a whim when I saw the cow picture, anything to avoid having to do things like boring housework (LOL)
I have CS3 and it has quick selection, too. I like it better than Magic Wand most of the time.

—
Tony Cooper – Orlando, Florida

"tony cooper" wrote in message

On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 14:32:11 -0400, "Carrie"
wrote:

"tony cooper" wrote in message

On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 10:43:03 -0400, "Carrie"
wrote:

"Ulysses" wrote in message

The best way to learn photoshop is to read the tutorials But some of us get into a rut and , without thnking,
do our routine to accomplish a project. the learning cycle slows down. The next best thing is to go into a newsgroup. Read and learn from others. Join in and participate in the discusions. You may be criticised for your stupidity, but that is how one learns Keep this in mind, if i was an expert in photoshop, i would NOT be here
Ulysses

I think the best way (or one of them) is to do things with it. Think of
something you want to do and try things, for example. Like yesterday I tried
to make a purple cow (trying to remember what I’d learned from tutorials along the way) There are so many ways to do things, and people who write tutorials have their own way. Like I have found easier ways to do things that I’d once done a complex tutorial about, to get the same results. Of course, people to people is always good, too for learning.

Here’s a purple cow for you:
http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/i-Fc3LrS5/0/X3/i-Fc3LrS 5-X3.jpg

Oh that’s nice!
Here’s one of mine (I know it’s messy, it was just something I thought of
and didn’t put much effort into (LOL)
http://i1198.photobucket.com/albums/aa455/starchild_dreams3/ purpleCow.jpg The cow was black, that didn’t help, even desatuated or lightened, there was no contrast and nighlights.
This is much more fun than talking about Voivod LOL
Replace it with something more interesting….

I don’t have a black cow image in my files, but I have a black bird that I quickly made into a purple bird.

http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/i-QLKQjnT/0/X2/i-QLKQjn T-X2.jpg
The easiest way to go about this is to first Control-J and make a duplicate layer and work on that. Then make a selection of the object, or part of the object, that you want to change the color of. I have CS4 and used the Quick Selection Tool. Save the selection in case you want to try a different color.

Choose the Brush and set the brush to Color. Pick your color as the foreground color. With the object as a Selection, you can use a very large brush and not worry about coloring outside of the Selection. The color will be in the Selection only.

I swiped a huge purple brush over the Selection coloring in everything. I then used the Eraser tool to remove the color from the eye, the beak, and one leg that got in the Selection.

If you want to tone it down a little, lower the Opacity of the layer.
Five minutes, or less, for the job.

Here’s one I did a while back and call it "A horse of a different color".

http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/photos/i-GQG7ZHk/0/X2/i-GQG7ZH k-X2.jpg

Was thinking… we changed Voivod into something postiive (the topic) I like to take all opportunities to learn, and I just learned a lot from the purple cow. Also, wonder how many people would get energized and uplifted by reading how to do something like this? Maybe a lot on this ng LOL

Well I hope the PS smart people don’t all feel this way…

"Ulysses" wrote in message:

Keep this in mind, if i was an expert in photoshop, i would NOT be here Ulysses

Cow: Image > Adjustments > Replace Color selector to change just the black spots to purple would be my first attempt. I’m doing it now as I type. The + eyedropper gets the edges pretty good and maxing fuzziness helps.

Extraction tool, Knock-Out filter… maybe I need a graphics tablet or a better mouse. And what when the picture falls outside the viewable area… scroll while outlining!? Of course solid backgrounds aren’t so bad, but with low contrast between background and subject, Extraction edges are a mess. Back and forth with the +/- (history) brushes!? Sometimes it’s less of a mind bender to bust out the erase tool and go around the subject. The newer version of PS looks like it has a better Extraction tool than PS7, but if it’s like golf clubs, a newer version won’t be my cure.

I’m self taught and don’t have a good PS skills foundation – the light bulb has not illuminated for me about masking which I believe is the principle behind the extraction tool. Maybe drudgery cannot be helped when clipping a subject from its background with shadows and hair, etc. Is the Pen Tool the "Pro" method for removing backgrounds? The pen tool line control points look important, but I just end up making a mess.

It would be awesome to create the look I’m dreaming of.

"Carrie" wrote in message:

Have you tried the extract tool in filters? I never knew what it was or did until recently when I did a lesson using it.
I had a chance to see some of the Lynda.com videos on Photoshop (the basics) and learned a lot from them. For me, it seems easier to do while I see someone else doing (though I have to keep pausing it a times) Also, I have 2 monitors so I can play the video on one. Though a lot of it (like channels and layers) is kind of complex, and a lot of steps, and after I don’t usually remember much of it. Like it will say open the channels palette and do this or that.
I try several things to cut out the background, like Q (quick mask) or the magic wands and eraser and such.
I’m just starting to think maybe I know a little bit about some of all it does.
I have found out you have to duplicate the layer to do some things with it (not just have the first background) like put the style effects on. And some of those like drop shadow, if you want them on something in the picture, have to be on a layer with transparency (back to taking the background out of it)
I sometimes look in google and find tutorials that I learn something from. And, of course, this newsgroup.
Oh another thing I learned from Lynda.com, at one time
Brightness/Contrast wasn’t used much. Or we were told in tutorials not to. But in the newer PS (maybe from CS2 or 3 on) it works much better, and can be tried to see what looks best. And levels. I mainly was using "shadow and highlights" (to lighten dark pictures) and or curves. I still do, I try different things.
There’s so many ways to do so much.
I had a picture I once took of a black cow standing in a pasture, and last mnight came across it and wanted to make it purple (old poem "I never saw a purple cow, I never hope to see one. But I can tell you anyhow I’d rather see than be one") Kept trying different ways, took the color out of the cow and used hue/saturation and tried to use channels, etc. Nothing seemed right (however right a purple cow is) and I gave up. But, in the meantime I got sidetracked and forgot I was boiling spaghetti and burned it. I wonder how many people using/learning Photoshop that happens to? I have a timer I can set on the desktop but apparently set it for too long. And never did get a good purple cow. (it was just a whim at the time)

On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 15:20:59 -1000, "Kele" scribbled:

I’m self taught and don’t have a good PS skills foundation

And you’re a top posting idiot.

"Kele" wrote in message

Well I hope the PS smart people don’t all feel this way…

"Ulysses" wrote in message:

Keep this in mind, if i was an expert in photoshop, i would NOT be here Ulysses

Hopefully, we have enough experts to answer the questions. I’ve often wondered does one EVER know all there is to know about Photoshop? There’s also the idea of each person doing something their own way, even if it’s just slight.

"Kele" wrote in message

Cow: Image > Adjustments > Replace Color selector to change just the black spots to purple would be my first attempt. I’m doing it now as I type. The + eyedropper gets the edges pretty good and maxing fuzziness helps.

Extraction tool, Knock-Out filter… maybe I need a graphics tablet or a better mouse. And what when the picture falls outside the viewable area… scroll while outlining!? Of course solid backgrounds aren’t so bad, but with low contrast between background and subject, Extraction edges are a mess. Back and forth with the +/- (history) brushes!? Sometimes it’s less of a mind bender to bust out the erase tool and go around the subject. The newer version of PS looks like it has a better Extraction tool than PS7, but if it’s like golf clubs, a newer version won’t be my cure.

I’m self taught and don’t have a good PS skills foundation – the light bulb has not illuminated for me about masking which I believe is the principle behind the extraction tool. Maybe drudgery cannot be helped when clipping a subject from its background with shadows and hair, etc. Is the Pen Tool the "Pro" method for removing backgrounds? The pen tool line control points look important, but I just end up making a mess.
It would be awesome to create the look I’m dreaming of.

I never thought about color replacement. That might give it less flat look. I was going over it with burn and dodge (set low) to lighten and darken. I recently learned about extract (background) from a Lynda.com tutorial. It is a form of masking, you outline and then fill. I use the SELECT>INVERSE quite a bit, too.
When you use the lasso tool to outline if you hold down shift (I think that’s it, I don’t have it open now) you can let go and start over without losing what you did. I have a Wacon Tablet I once gave up on (seems like the mouse was easier and the settings for the pen and mouse with the tablet confused me) I keep thinking I will try it again. But, first I’d have to make space.
I am self taught, too, and been at it for mayb 10 years now. Started with Paint Shop Pro 6 then 7 and PS 6-7
I’d also like to master Illustrator and Flash (at least more than I now know) I spend a lot of time at it, too.
Maybe it’s just escape from reality LOL
I still can’t use the pen tool all that good, and I know it’s important, but I make do without it.
Sometimes using Magic Wand or the Quick Select (now with it) on the background and then SELECT>INVERSE works.
Good thing there’s so many willing to help and share what they learn.

"Carrie" wrote in message:

Have you tried the extract tool in filters? I never knew what it was or did until recently when I did a lesson using it.
I had a chance to see some of the Lynda.com videos on Photoshop (the basics) and learned a lot from them. For me, it seems easier to do while I see someone else doing (though I have to keep pausing it a times) Also, I have 2 monitors so I can play the video on one. Though a lot of it (like channels and layers) is kind of complex, and a lot of steps, and after I don’t usually remember much of it. Like it will say open the channels palette and do this or that.
I try several things to cut out the background, like Q (quick mask) or the magic wands and eraser and such.
I’m just starting to think maybe I know a little bit about some of all it does.
I have found out you have to duplicate the layer to do some things with it (not just have the first background) like put the style effects on. And some of those like drop shadow, if you want them on something in the picture, have to be on a layer with transparency (back to taking the background out of it)
I sometimes look in google and find tutorials that I learn something from. And, of course, this newsgroup.
Oh another thing I learned from Lynda.com, at one time
Brightness/Contrast wasn’t used much. Or we were told in tutorials not to. But in the newer PS (maybe from CS2 or 3 on) it works much better, and can be tried to see what looks best. And levels. I mainly was using "shadow and highlights" (to lighten dark pictures) and or curves. I still do, I try different things.
There’s so many ways to do so much.
I had a picture I once took of a black cow standing in a pasture, and last mnight came across it and wanted to make it purple (old poem "I never saw a purple cow, I never hope to see one. But I can tell you anyhow I’d rather see than be one") Kept trying different ways, took the color out of the cow and used hue/saturation and tried to use channels, etc. Nothing seemed right (however right a purple cow is) and I gave up. But, in the meantime I got sidetracked and forgot I was boiling spaghetti and burned it. I wonder how many people using/learning Photoshop that happens to? I have a timer I can set on the desktop but apparently set it for too long.
And never did get a good purple cow. (it was just a whim at the time)