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What is the best technique for removing the red in the white of the eyes when the white itself is a good color but it has red running through it. Thanks.

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Savageduck
Sep 18, 2011
On 2011-09-18 08:34:14 -0700, RDOC said:

What is the best technique for removing the red in the white of the eyes when the white itself is a good color but it has red running through it. Thanks.

Layers!

Matt Kloskowski outlines a method for doing just that in his "Layers" book. Here is an abbreviated version of his method.

1: Add a "Hue/Saturation" adjustment layer.
2: Choose "Red" from the pop-up menu and reduce the saturation setting. (at this stage that effects the entire image, don’t worry about that) 3: Now in the adjustment layer pop-up, select "Master" increase the setting to about "20" to lighten the whole image. 4: Fill the adjustment layer mask with black by pressing "Command-I (PC: Ctrl-I) to invert the white to black.
5: Zoom in on the eye. Press "D" to set foreground to white, select the "Brush" tool and paint with white over the whites of the eyes. 6: Adjust the opacity of the layer to about 80% to make the change subtle and realistic.


Regards,

Savageduck
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Carrie
Sep 18, 2011
"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
On 2011-09-18 08:34:14 -0700, RDOC said:

What is the best technique for removing the red in the white of the eyes when the white itself is a good color but it has red running through it. Thanks.

Layers!

Matt Kloskowski outlines a method for doing just that in his "Layers" book. Here is an abbreviated version of his method.

1: Add a "Hue/Saturation" adjustment layer.
2: Choose "Red" from the pop-up menu and reduce the saturation setting. (at this stage that effects the entire image, don’t worry about that) 3: Now in the adjustment layer pop-up, select "Master" increase the setting to about "20" to lighten the whole image. 4: Fill the adjustment layer mask with black by pressing "Command-I (PC: Ctrl-I) to invert the white to black.
5: Zoom in on the eye. Press "D" to set foreground to white, select the "Brush" tool and paint with white over the whites of the eyes. 6: Adjust the opacity of the layer to about 80% to make the change subtle and realistic.


Regards,

Savageduck

I don’t think I’ve ever come across this problem, but going to save this for future reference.
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Savageduck
Sep 18, 2011
On 2011-09-18 10:45:23 -0700, "Carrie" said:

"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
On 2011-09-18 08:34:14 -0700, RDOC said:

What is the best technique for removing the red in the white of the eyes when the white itself is a good color but it has red running through it. Thanks.

Layers!

Matt Kloskowski outlines a method for doing just that in his "Layers" book. Here is an abbreviated version of his method.

1: Add a "Hue/Saturation" adjustment layer.
2: Choose "Red" from the pop-up menu and reduce the saturation setting. (at this stage that effects the entire image, don’t worry about that) 3: Now in the adjustment layer pop-up, select "Master" increase the setting to about "20" to lighten the whole image. 4: Fill the adjustment layer mask with black by pressing "Command-I (PC: Ctrl-I) to invert the white to black.
5: Zoom in on the eye. Press "D" to set foreground to white, select the "Brush" tool and paint with white over the whites of the eyes. 6: Adjust the opacity of the layer to about 80% to make the change subtle and realistic.


Regards,

Savageduck

I don’t think I’ve ever come across this problem, but going to save this for future reference.

Think of the individual suffering from allergies, a late night, or any other eye rubbing event which might make the whites of the eye less than a natural white.
It is also a way to fix stuff such as red-eye, or "luminous-eye" in animals, or even change the appearance of the irises.

It is a useful technique for doing all sorts of stuff when toying with an image, and not just limited to whites of eyes. Take a look at this "non-eye" example done using that exact method. < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC_9927Hw.jpg >


Regards,

Savageduck
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Carrie
Sep 18, 2011
"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
On 2011-09-18 10:45:23 -0700, "Carrie" said:

"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message
On 2011-09-18 08:34:14 -0700, RDOC said:

What is the best technique for removing the red in the white of the eyes when the white itself is a good color but it has red running through it. Thanks.

Layers!

Matt Kloskowski outlines a method for doing just that in his "Layers" book. Here is an abbreviated version of his method.

1: Add a "Hue/Saturation" adjustment layer.
2: Choose "Red" from the pop-up menu and reduce the saturation setting. (at this stage that effects the entire image, don’t worry about that) 3: Now in the adjustment layer pop-up, select "Master" increase the setting to about "20" to lighten the whole image. 4: Fill the adjustment layer mask with black by pressing "Command-I (PC: Ctrl-I) to invert the white to black.
5: Zoom in on the eye. Press "D" to set foreground to white, select the "Brush" tool and paint with white over the whites of the eyes. 6: Adjust the opacity of the layer to about 80% to make the change subtle
and realistic.


Regards,

Savageduck

I don’t think I’ve ever come across this problem, but going to save this
for future reference.

Think of the individual suffering from allergies, a late night, or any other eye rubbing event which might make the whites of the eye less than a natural white.
It is also a way to fix stuff such as red-eye, or "luminous-eye" in animals, or even change the appearance of the irises.

It is a useful technique for doing all sorts of stuff when toying with an image, and not just limited to whites of eyes. Take a look at this "non-eye" example done using that exact method. < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DNC_9927Hw.jpg >

Thanks! I know animal eyes aren’t always easy to do.


Regards,

Savageduck
JJ
John J Stafford
Sep 19, 2011
In article
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RDOC wrote:

What is the best technique for removing the red in the white of the eyes when the white itself is a good color but it has red running through it. Thanks.

In CS3 to CS5 there has been a ‘red eye’ removal procedure. Go to the Help / Photoshop menu. Here’s the procedure for CS5.

The Red Eye tool removes red eye in flash photos of people or animals.

In RGB Color mode, select the Red Eye tool . (The Red Eye tool is in the same group as the Spot Healing Brush tool . Hold down a tool to display additional tools in the group.)
Click in the red eye. If you are not satisfied with the result, undo the correction, set one or more of the following options in the options bar, and click the red eye again:
Pupil Size Increases or decreases the area affected by the Red Eye tool. Darken Amount Sets the darkness of the correction.
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John J Stafford
Sep 19, 2011
Actually the easiest way is to make a new layer, zoom into the red-eye, select by color red, then hit the ‘desaturate’ option.
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Carrie
Sep 19, 2011
"John J Stafford" wrote in message
Actually the easiest way is to make a new layer, zoom into the red-eye, select by color red, then hit the ‘desaturate’ option.

Wow! Never thought of that. Now I want to try it, but would have to find a red eye picture, which I usually don’t get because I don’t use flash a lot and my camera has a pop up flash, that gets it up away from the lens. But sometimes someone will send me a picture, sometimes ask me if I can fix it. I still want to find a green flash eye dog picture, I can use the Leopard (BEFORE) one posted elsewhere here) and it’s past 11 pm and I have to at least aim at going to bed…
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Savageduck
Sep 19, 2011
On 2011-09-18 19:05:21 -0700, John J Stafford said:

Actually the easiest way is to make a new layer, zoom into the red-eye, select by color red, then hit the ‘desaturate’ option.

Try that.
You will find that you end up with a very unnatural luminosity issue and the problem is not entirely fixed, but compounded. So to correct your "desaturation" you will have to take a few more steps, the simplest is to use the "Brightness/Contrast" adjustment layer after your "desaturation" step and even that might not be enough.

It is workable, but the results are somewhat different, and sometimes looks as unnatural as painting the glowing pupil in black.

In reality no one technique is the perfect one. Different circumstances might call for a different technique to obtain the best result. Again another good reason for working in Layers so you can always go back to step one.


Regards,

Savageduck
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Savageduck
Sep 19, 2011
On 2011-09-18 20:44:07 -0700, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:

On 2011-09-18 19:05:21 -0700, John J Stafford said:

Actually the easiest way is to make a new layer, zoom into the red-eye, select by color red, then hit the ‘desaturate’ option.

Try that.
You will find that you end up with a very unnatural luminosity issue and the problem is not entirely fixed, but compounded. So to correct your "desaturation" you will have to take a few more steps, the simplest is to use the "Brightness/Contrast" adjustment layer after your "desaturation" step and even that might not be enough.
It is workable, but the results are somewhat different, and sometimes looks as unnatural as painting the glowing pupil in black.
In reality no one technique is the perfect one. Different circumstances might call for a different technique to obtain the best result. Again another good reason for working in Layers so you can always go back to step one.

Just to remove any confusion using layers can work for fixing red or bloodshot whites of the eye, as well as traditional retinal reflective "red-eye". Remember the white of the eye is not pure white and a pure white sclera is going to make for a very disturbing image. 🙂


Regards,

Savageduck
JJ
John J Stafford
Sep 19, 2011
In article ,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

On 2011-09-18 19:05:21 -0700, John J Stafford said:

Actually the easiest way is to make a new layer, zoom into the red-eye, select by color red, then hit the ‘desaturate’ option.

Try that.
You will find that you end up with a very unnatural luminosity issue and the problem is not entirely fixed, but compounded. So to correct your "desaturation" you will have to take a few more steps, the simplest is to use the "Brightness/Contrast" adjustment layer after your "desaturation" step and even that might not be enough.
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Thanks for that. You are right.
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rdoc2
Sep 20, 2011
On Sep 18, 11:50 am, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
On 2011-09-18 08:34:14 -0700, RDOC said:

What is the best technique for removing the red in the white of the eyes when the white itself is a good color but it has red running through it. Thanks.

Layers!

Matt Kloskowski outlines a method for doing just that in his "Layers" book. Here is an abbreviated version of his method.

1:      Add a "Hue/Saturation" adjustment layer. 2:      Choose "Red" from the pop-up menu and reduce the saturation setting. (at this stage that effects the entire image, don’t worry about that) 3:      Now in the adjustment layer pop-up, select "Master" increase the setting to about "20" to lighten the whole image. 4:      Fill the adjustment layer mask with black by pressing "Command-I (PC: Ctrl-I) to invert the white to black.
5:      Zoom in on the eye. Press "D" to set foreground to white, select the "Brush" tool and paint with white over the whites of the eyes. 6:      Adjust the opacity of the layer to about 80% to make the change subtle and realistic.


Regards,

Savageduck

The problem here when I used this technique was that the redness was due to capillaries and I got rid of the redness but was left with a network of grey capillaries. This meant I now had to remove that network which I did with the stamp tool which I could have done the whole procedure with it to begin with but you need a good area to clone from which I did have. However thanks for your help and it created a good discussion.
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Savageduck
Sep 20, 2011
On 2011-09-20 12:04:50 -0700, RDOC said:

On Sep 18, 11:50 am, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
On 2011-09-18 08:34:14 -0700, RDOC said:

What is the best technique for removing the red in the white of the eyes when the white itself is a good color but it has red running through it. Thanks.

Layers!

Matt Kloskowski outlines a method for doing just that in his "Layers" book. Here is an abbreviated version of his method.

1:      Add a "Hue/Saturation" adjustment layer. 2:      Choose "Red" from the pop-up menu and reduce the saturation
setting.
(at this stage that effects the entire image, don’t worry about that) 3:      Now in the adjustment layer pop-up, select "Master" increas
e the
setting to about "20" to lighten the whole image. 4:      Fill the adjustment layer mask with black by pressing "Comm
and-I
(PC: Ctrl-I) to invert the white to black.
5:      Zoom in on the eye. Press "D" to set foreground to white, s
elect the
"Brush" tool and paint with white over the whites of the eyes. 6:      Adjust the opacity of the layer to about 80% to make the ch
ange
subtle and realistic.


Regards,

Savageduck

The problem here when I used this technique was that the redness was due to capillaries and I got rid of the redness but was left with a network of grey capillaries. This meant I now had to remove that network which I did with the stamp tool which I could have done the whole procedure with it to begin with but you need a good area to clone from which I did have. However thanks for your help and it created a good discussion.

I understood exactly what your issue was with that image. This technique is not meant to remove those capillaries completely, that would make everything appear unnatural. If you read what I wrote in step #2, it was "reduce" the saturation, not desaturate. What you are doing is removing the distraction of over emphasized ‘red" in those blood vessels, and maintaining their natural appearance as they would in a normal eye.

So try again, not desaturating reds until the blood vessels appear an unnatural grey, but to the point where they are not distracting. Step #3 will brighten the entire sclera (white of the eye). Note that "+20" is suggested as over brightening will make for a strange and disturbing eye.

The problem with any correcting or adjustment method in photoshop is when it is applied with a heavy hand. Subtlety is the key to reaching a realistic improved image.
So here is a comparison 100% crop of the fix in action.

< http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/EYE-FIX-Comp-1.jpg >


Regards,

Savageduck
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Joel
Sep 26, 2011
RDOC wrote:

What is the best technique for removing the red in the white of the eyes when the white itself is a good color but it has red running through it. Thanks.

Photography – the best technique is to prevent it in the first place by using pre-flash (most digital cameras epecially P&S has it as default, or user just select Red-Eye option). The other option for DSLR user by raising the flash (external flash) higher would reduce the red-eye (in most cases not all).

Retouching – the best technique is the technique you know best, and one of the simplest technique is selecting the area then apply Hue/Sat and one of many tools to change the color (to whatever color you wish).
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Joel
Sep 26, 2011
RDOC wrote:

On Sep 18, 11:50 am, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
On 2011-09-18 08:34:14 -0700, RDOC said:

What is the best technique for removing the red in the white of the eyes when the white itself is a good color but it has red running through it. Thanks.

Layers!

Matt Kloskowski outlines a method for doing just that in his "Layers" book. Here is an abbreviated version of his method.

1:      Add a "Hue/Saturation" adjustment layer. 2:      Choose "Red" from the pop-up menu and reduce the saturation setting. (at this stage that effects the entire image, don’t worry about that) 3:      Now in the adjustment layer pop-up, select "Master" increase the setting to about "20" to lighten the whole image. 4:      Fill the adjustment layer mask with black by pressing "Command-I (PC: Ctrl-I) to invert the white to black.
5:      Zoom in on the eye. Press "D" to set foreground to white, select the "Brush" tool and paint with white over the whites of the eyes. 6:      Adjust the opacity of the layer to about 80% to make the change subtle and realistic.


Regards,

Savageduck

The problem here when I used this technique was that the redness was due to capillaries and I got rid of the redness but was left with a network of grey capillaries. This meant I now had to remove that network which I did with the stamp tool which I could have done the whole procedure with it to begin with but you need a good area to clone from which I did have. However thanks for your help and it created a good discussion.

Everything has to start with the very basic and finish with the very basic. In general

1. You select the area you want to change. This way the change won’t bleed to other area (depending on the tool/technique you use)

2. It you can’t stop it from bleeding, then you can always use another techinque/tool to recover it to the original (like using Layer + Layer Mask)

3. Many tools have sub-tools/options like COLORS many color tools give the option to change only specific color’s.

4. And sometime you have to apply the same command multiple times (I usually don’t but I know it will make some difference). Example

a. Applying some Hue/Sat to some degree

b. Applying another Hue/Sat

c. Applying another Hue/Sat

The above is an example, why? because the A command applying some percentage to the *original*, the B command applying to the A (has changed), and the C command (3rd time) applying the the B (more change and different than the original and A).
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Savageduck
Sep 26, 2011
On 2011-09-26 09:14:00 -0700, Joel said:

RDOC wrote:

What is the best technique for removing the red in the white of the eyes when the white itself is a good color but it has red running through it. Thanks.

Photography – the best technique is to prevent it in the first place by using pre-flash (most digital cameras epecially P&S has it as default, or user just select Red-Eye option). The other option for DSLR user by raising the flash (external flash) higher would reduce the red-eye (in most cases not all).

Joel, the OT was asking how to remove, or fix red in the WHITE of the eye, such as bloodshot eyes, or over visible red blood vessels, not "red-eye" in the pupil caused by flash.
Something like this 100% crop comparison:
< http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/EYE-FIX-Comp-1.jpg >

For "red-eye" you are correct, in that it is better to take preventive measures by using the "red-eye"prevention settings with a pre-flash, or using indirect or offset flash.

Retouching – the best technique is the technique you know best, and one of the simplest technique is selecting the area then apply Hue/Sat and one of many tools to change the color (to whatever color you wish).

Exactly.


Regards,

Savageduck
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Andrew Morton
Sep 27, 2011
Joel wrote:
4. And sometime you have to apply the same command multiple times (I usually don’t but I know it will make some difference). Example
a. Applying some Hue/Sat to some degree

b. Applying another Hue/Sat

c. Applying another Hue/Sat

The above is an example, why? because the A command applying some percentage to the *original*, the B command applying to the A (has changed), and the C command (3rd time) applying the the B (more change and different than the original and A).

That is an excellent candidate for using an adjustment layer rather than editing the actual data. An adjustment layer does not introduce the cumulative potentially undesirable effects of repeated small adjustments (like banding) caused by working with only eight bits available per channel.


Andrew
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John J Stafford
Sep 27, 2011
In article ,
Joel wrote:

RDOC wrote:

What is the best technique for removing the red in the white of the eyes when the white itself is a good color but it has red running through it. Thanks.

Photography – the best technique is to prevent it in the first place by using pre-flash [….]

So that the subject’s irises are constricted. Do you know that to the average human observer, such makes the subject look less attractive? Do you care?
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Joel
Oct 8, 2011
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

On 2011-09-26 09:14:00 -0700, Joel said:

RDOC wrote:

What is the best technique for removing the red in the white of the eyes when the white itself is a good color but it has red running through it. Thanks.

Photography – the best technique is to prevent it in the first place by using pre-flash (most digital cameras epecially P&S has it as default, or user just select Red-Eye option). The other option for DSLR user by raising the flash (external flash) higher would reduce the red-eye (in most cases not all).

Joel, the OT was asking how to remove, or fix red in the WHITE of the

That’s one of 1001 different ways to fix the RED/WHITE and 1001 other issues.

You just need to be the same level of skill to understand the technique. IOW, you don’t need to correct thing you don’t know

eye, such as bloodshot eyes, or over visible red blood vessels, not "red-eye" in the pupil caused by flash.
Something like this 100% crop comparison:

For "red-eye" you are correct, in that it is better to take preventive measures by using the "red-eye"prevention settings with a pre-flash, or using indirect or offset flash.

Retouching – the best technique is the technique you know best, and one of the simplest technique is selecting the area then apply Hue/Sat and one of many tools to change the color (to whatever color you wish).

Exactly.
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Joel
Oct 8, 2011
John J Stafford wrote:

In article ,
Joel wrote:

RDOC wrote:

What is the best technique for removing the red in the white of the eyes when the white itself is a good color but it has red running through it. Thanks.

Photography – the best technique is to prevent it in the first place by using pre-flash [….]

So that the subject’s irises are constricted. Do you know that to the average human observer, such makes the subject look less attractive? Do you care?

Hey, read and ask the right question. If you care to learn.

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