Selecting a Raw File

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Oct 27, 2011
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It isn’t working and I don’t know why? I am working in Adobe Camera Raw on a NEF file than I hold down the shift key to open it in Photoshop as a smart object which it does fine. Now I right click that file to pick new smart object by copy. Next I select an area of that image with the quick selection tool and leave it selected. Everything is working fine. Now I double click on the image thumbnail to go back into ACR which it does fine and I proceed to darken only the selected area that I selected in PS. Well the selected area does show as being selected in ACR and when I go to decrease the exposure the whole image darkens and not just the area that I selected in PS. What did I do wrong, why didn’t the image come back into ACR selected like I selected it in PS? Thanks. How do I do what I am trying to do?

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Savageduck
Oct 27, 2011
On 2011-10-27 06:37:59 -0700, RDOC said:

It isn’t working and I don’t know why? I am working in Adobe Camera Raw on a NEF file than I hold down the shift key to open it in Photoshop as a smart object which it does fine. Now I right click that file to pick new smart object by copy. Next I select an area of that image with the quick selection tool and leave it selected. Everything is working fine. Now I double click on the image thumbnail to go back into ACR which it does fine and I proceed to darken only the selected area that I selected in PS. Well the selected area does show as being selected in ACR and when I go to decrease the exposure the whole image darkens and not just the area that I selected in PS. What did I do wrong, why didn’t the image come back into ACR selected like I selected it in PS? Thanks. How do I do what I am trying to do?

You can only adjust exposure in 32-bit mode. You should even see a note to this effect at the bottom of the image window.

I am not quite sure of what exactly it is you are trying to do, but I would look to the 32-bit mode as a solution to exposure adjustment.


Regards,

Savageduck
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rdoc2
Oct 27, 2011
On Oct 27, 10:35 am, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
On 2011-10-27 06:37:59 -0700, RDOC said:

It isn’t working and I don’t know why? I am working in Adobe Camera Raw on a NEF file than I hold down the shift key to open it in Photoshop as a smart object which it does fine. Now I right click that file to pick new smart object by copy. Next I select an area of that image with the quick selection tool and leave it selected. Everything is working fine. Now I double click on the image thumbnail to go back into ACR which it does fine and I proceed to darken only the selected area that I selected in PS. Well the selected area does show as being selected in ACR and when I go to decrease the exposure the whole image darkens and not just the area that I selected in PS. What did I do wrong, why didn’t the image come back into ACR selected like I selected it in PS? Thanks. How do I do what I am trying to do?

You can only adjust exposure in 32-bit mode. You should even see a note to this effect at the bottom of the image window.

I am not quite sure of what exactly it is you are trying to do, but I would look to the 32-bit mode as a solution to exposure adjustment.

Regards,

Savageduck

I am trying to select say just the wall of a building in PS and than take it back into ACR and make only that part of the building and no other part of the image darker. This would be a simple way of doing a specific area of selection. Or even just the sky in an image.
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Savageduck
Oct 27, 2011
On 2011-10-27 07:39:54 -0700, RDOC said:

On Oct 27, 10:35 am, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
On 2011-10-27 06:37:59 -0700, RDOC said:

It isn’t working and I don’t know why? I am working in Adobe Camera Raw on a NEF file than I hold down the shift key to open it in Photoshop as a smart object which it does fine. Now I right click that file to pick new smart object by copy. Next I select an area of that image with the quick selection tool and leave it selected. Everything is working fine. Now I double click on the image thumbnail to go back into ACR which it does fine and I proceed to darken only the selected area that I selected in PS. Well the selected area does show as being selected in ACR and when I go to decrease the exposure the whole image darkens and not just the area that I selected in PS. What did I do wrong, why didn’t the image come back into ACR selected like I selected it in PS? Thanks. How do I do what I am trying to do?

You can only adjust exposure in 32-bit mode. You should even see a note to this effect at the bottom of the image window.

I am not quite sure of what exactly it is you are trying to do, but I would look to the 32-bit mode as a solution to exposure adjustment.

Regards,

Savageduck

I am trying to select say just the wall of a building in PS and than take it back into ACR and make only that part of the building and no other part of the image darker. This would be a simple way of doing a specific area of selection. Or even just the sky in an image.

In that case I believe you are over thinking this.

First a selection of an area of a Smart object will not be a Smart object. You will have to convert that selection if you want to apply smart filters, etc. and you will not be able to take just the selection back to ACR.
I would use adjustment layers or Smart filters to do what you are trying to do.

The simplest way would be to make your selection, copy it to a new layer. Add a Levels Adjustment Layer. To darken, move the left & center sliders to the right, or to get your desired result. Make sure you have clipped the adjustment layer to the selection layer and not the entire stack.

Also, if using an adjustment layer, use the layer mask filled with black and paint in the adjustment with white until you have what you want, don’t even bother with a selection.

This is Photoshop you are using and there will always be a way of achieving your goal. It might just be a little different for each of us as we find a way to have it fit our workflow.


Regards,

Savageduck
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nomail
Oct 27, 2011
RDOC wrote:
It isn’t working and I don’t know why? I am working in Adobe Camera Raw on a NEF file than I hold down the shift key to open it in Photoshop as a smart object which it does fine. Now I right click that file to pick new smart object by copy. Next I select an area of that image with the quick selection tool and leave it selected. Everything is working fine. Now I double click on the image thumbnail to go back into ACR which it does fine and I proceed to darken only the selected area that I selected in PS. Well the selected area does show as being selected in ACR and when I go to decrease the exposure the whole image darkens and not just the area that I selected in PS. What did I do wrong, why didn’t the image come back into ACR selected like I selected it in PS? Thanks. How do I do what I am trying to do?

ACR will adjust the entire smart object, you can’t adjust a selection that way. Use a adjustment layer and a mask to adjust only a part.


Johan W. Elzenga, Editor/Photographer, www.johanfoto.com
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rdoc2
Oct 27, 2011
On Oct 27, 12:35 pm, Johan W. Elzenga wrote:
RDOC wrote:
It isn’t working and I don’t know why? I am working in Adobe Camera Raw on a NEF file than I hold down the shift key to open it in Photoshop as a smart object which it does fine. Now I right click that file to pick new smart object by copy. Next I select an area of that image with the quick selection tool and leave it selected. Everything is working fine. Now I double click on the image thumbnail to go back into ACR which it does fine and I proceed to darken only the selected area that I selected in PS. Well the selected area does show as being selected in ACR and when I go to decrease the exposure the whole image darkens and not just the area that I selected in PS. What did I do wrong, why didn’t the image come back into ACR selected like I selected it in PS? Thanks. How do I do what I am trying to do?

ACR will adjust the entire smart object, you can’t adjust a selection that way. Use a adjustment layer and a mask to adjust only a part.

Johan W. Elzenga, Editor/Photographer,  www.johanfoto.com

I tried that Johan and ACR still adjusted the entire smart object.
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Savageduck
Oct 27, 2011
On 2011-10-27 13:37:27 -0700, RDOC said:

On Oct 27, 12:35 pm, Johan W. Elzenga wrote:
RDOC wrote:
It isn’t working and I don’t know why? I am working in Adobe Camera Raw on a NEF file than I hold down the shift key to open it in Photoshop as a smart object which it does fine. Now I right click that file to pick new smart object by copy. Next I select an area of that image with the quick selection tool and leave it selected. Everything is working fine. Now I double click on the image thumbnail to go back into ACR which it does fine and I proceed to darken only the selected area that I selected in PS. Well the selected area does show as being selected in ACR and when I go to decrease the exposure the whole image darkens and not just the area that I selected in PS. What did I do wrong, why didn’t the image come back into ACR selected like I selected it in PS? Thanks. How do I do what I am trying to do?

ACR will adjust the entire smart object, you can’t adjust a selection tha
t
way. Use a adjustment layer and a mask to adjust only a part.

Johan W. Elzenga, Editor/Photographer,  www.johanfoto.com

I tried that Johan and ACR still adjusted the entire smart object.

ACR will always adjust the entire smart object. ACR always works with the entire object not selections.

To do what you are trying to do, forget about going back into ACR, use adjustment layers.


Regards,

Savageduck
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nomail
Oct 28, 2011
RDOC wrote:
On Oct 27, 12:35 pm, Johan W. Elzenga wrote:
RDOC wrote:
It isn’t working and I don’t know why? I am working in Adobe Camera Raw on a NEF file than I hold down the shift key to open it in Photoshop as a smart object which it does fine. Now I right click that file to pick new smart object by copy. Next I select an area of that image with the quick selection tool and leave it selected. Everything is working fine. Now I double click on the image thumbnail to go back into ACR which it does fine and I proceed to darken only the selected area that I selected in PS. Well the selected area does show as being selected in ACR and when I go to decrease the exposure the whole image darkens and not just the area that I selected in PS. What did I do wrong, why didn’t the image come back into ACR selected like I selected it in PS? Thanks. How do I do what I am trying to do?

ACR will adjust the entire smart object, you can’t adjust a selection that way. Use a adjustment layer and a mask to adjust only a part.

Johan W. Elzenga, Editor/Photographer, www.johanfoto.com

I tried that Johan and ACR still adjusted the entire smart object.

That is what I’m saying! Use an adjustment layer to make the adjustments (and mask out what you don’t want to adjust), not ACR. If you double-click the s,art object to go to ACR, you will *always* adjust the entire smart object, so you can’t use ACR for this.


Johan W. Elzenga, Editor/Photographer, www.johanfoto.com
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rdoc2
Oct 28, 2011
On Oct 28, 3:38 am, Johan W. Elzenga wrote:
RDOC wrote:
On Oct 27, 12:35 pm, Johan W. Elzenga wrote:
RDOC wrote:
It isn’t working and I don’t know why? I am working in Adobe Camera Raw on a NEF file than I hold down the shift key to open it in Photoshop as a smart object which it does fine. Now I right click that file to pick new smart object by copy. Next I select an area of that image with the quick selection tool and leave it selected. Everything is working fine. Now I double click on the image thumbnail to go back into ACR which it does fine and I proceed to darken only the selected area that I selected in PS. Well the selected area does show as being selected in ACR and when I go to decrease the exposure the whole image darkens and not just the area that I selected in PS. What did I do wrong, why didn’t the image come back into ACR selected like I selected it in PS? Thanks. How do I do what I am trying to do?

ACR will adjust the entire smart object, you can’t adjust a selection that way. Use a adjustment layer and a mask to adjust only a part.


Johan W. Elzenga, Editor/Photographer,  www.johanfoto.com

I tried that Johan and ACR still adjusted the entire smart object.

That is what I’m saying! Use an adjustment layer to make the  adjustments (and mask out what you don’t want to adjust), not ACR. If you double-click the s,art object to go to ACR, you will *always* adjust the entire smart object, so you can’t use ACR for this.


Johan W. Elzenga, Editor/Photographer,  www.johanfoto.com

Ok, thanks to both of you I understand now.

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