Dale Glaser wrote:
Mike,
Thanks for the response…
Couple of questions related to your post…Actually as I wrote this the questions kept increasing. I think there is a major philosophical principle of PS going here that I am not getting and maybe you can ferret it out.
When you talk about a shadow mask being "a mask with max value in the shadows", what do you mean? I assume that a shadow mask masks the shadows so that everything else shows through, but I am having trouble wrapping myself around the "maximum value in the shadows" statement.
It means that the layer or effect controlled by the mask has a max (nominally 255) value for the shadows. For example, using the Dust and Scratches filter with a shadow mask will remove noise from the shadows only, and leave detail in the brighter parts of the image, the midtones and highlights, alone.
In an RGB image, are "maximum values" the blacks with lower rgb values, or the whites or higher rgb values. I assume the latter.
Exactly.
This
maximum value thing confuses me because I tend to think of whites as no pixels, gray as 50%, and black 100% pixels, which I think is true with CMTK but the opposite with RGB. Do you see my confusion here?
In curves it’s true with either one, depending on how you set your curve axis. RGB folks think of 255 as bright, 0 as black. For print folks, 0 is white, 100 is max ink. Internally, Photoshop stores 100% ink as zero.
This leads to some much larger questions that I put at the top of my original post:
What is the difference in what is happening between using the Magic Wand in a layer vs. a channel.
Similar concepts, in that the selection created by the magic wand will limit any subsequent filter or other image operations to the selected area, just as a layer max will limit them to the areas with nonzero mask values. A selection is temporary, and not associated with a layer. A layer mask is permanent, and stays with the layer.
And what is actually happening when you Cmd/Ctrl-click in a mask or a channel. As with any selection, are you selecting all pixels with at least 50% of white value. But then different things happen when you do that in each of the channels. So then…in a green channel, do white pixels represent more green in the image than black pixels?
The cmd/ctrl click loads a the image data or mas as a selection.
If you use the magic wand in a layer you are selecting by color I think, but I have never been clear about what that actually means. But if you use the magic wand in a channel or on a layer mask, I think you are selecting based on brightness value, or luminecence.
If the magic wand is clicked on a color image, then the color and brightness are used to determine the resulting selection. In a monochrome image, channel, or mask, the pixel values are used directly.
I came across a keyboard command Cmd-Opt/Ctrl-Alt-~ which "loads composite as selection". What does THAT mean. Or Cmd/Ctrl-~ will "load composite channel". What does that mean?
That does a per pixel brightness calculation based on the color image, and loads that as a selection.
Help! If you could answer even one of my confusions here, I would appreciate it. Or figure out the larger principle at foot here that would be great.
Try reading Alvy’s article on the alpha channel. I like that article because it describes the original problem that the alpha channel solved, which was to emulate the masking operation use in film for compositing movie images. Photoshop was developed at ILM, and Alvy I’m sure had a hand in getting the alpha channel concept into Photoshop – everyone was using it.
If that doesn’t ring a bell, do a google search for alpha channel, and "layer mask" and find something that makes sense. And play with the stuff. It’s free after all. Make an image with several layers, and play with selections and layer masks.
As for permission to make a page up about different masks, go for it, and send me the link!
Cool!
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Mike Russell
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