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Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file or a nef file? Thanks
On 2011-11-05 19:53:31 -0700, RDOC said:
Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file or a nef file? Thanks
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http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=1 06&platform=Windows&promoid=HTENB
On 2011-11-05 20:09:44 -0700, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:
On 2011-11-05 19:53:31 -0700, RDOC said:
Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file or a nef file? Thanks
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http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=1 06&platform=Windows&promoid=HTENB
Oops!
I misunderstood. You want to open a DNG or NEF, not convert to DNG, and you want to do it free.
Then I better not mention the usual suspects, Lightroom, Photoshop Elements, & Photoshop CS5.
Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file or a nef file? ThanksYour question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car. you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones…JPG or RAW
Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file or a nef file? Thanks
"RDOC" wrote in messageWeird? The format for all Nikon cameras that shoot RAW is a .NEF file that can be converted to a .DNG file.
Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file or a nef file? ThanksYour question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car. you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones…JPG or RAW
"RDOC" wrote in message
Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file or a nef file? ThanksYour question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car. you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones…JPG or RAW
On 11/5/2011 10:53 PM, RDOC wrote:
Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file or a nef file? Thanks
Futurix Imager will open .dng files.
"RDOC" wrote in message
Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file or a nef file? ThanksYour question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car. you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones…JPG or RAW
"RDOC" wrote in message
Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file or a nef file? ThanksYour question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car. you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones…JPG or RAW
"Ulysses" wrote:
"RDOC" wrote in message
Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file or a nef file? ThanksYour question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car. you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones…JPG or RAW
Actually, RAW is not a file format. Each manufacturer has its own format for RAW data, and Nikon’s happens to be NEF. Nothing weird about that. DNG is a universal format for RAW data, by Adobe. Again, nothing weird about that.
"RDOC" wrote in message
Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file or a nef file? ThanksYour question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car. you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones…JPG or RAW
On 2011-11-05 19:53:31 -0700, RDOC said:
Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file or a nef file? Thanks
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http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/product.jsp?product=1 06&platform=Windows&promoid=HTENB
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Regards,
Savageduck
"Ulysses" wrote:
"RDOC" wrote in message
Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file or a nef file? ThanksYour question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car. you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones…JPG or RAW
Actually, RAW is not a file format. Each manufacturer has its own format for RAW data, and Nikon’s happens to be NEF. Nothing weird about that. DNG is a universal format for RAW data, by Adobe. Again, nothing weird about that.
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Johan W. Elzenga, Editor/Photographer, www.johanfoto.com
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"Ulysses" wrote:
"RDOC" wrote in message
Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file or a nef file? ThanksYour question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car. you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones…JPG or RAW
Actually, RAW is not a file format. Each manufacturer has its own format for RAW data, and Nikon’s happens to be NEF. Nothing weird about that. DNG is a universal format for RAW data, by Adobe. Again, nothing weird about that.
So why don’t DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would in CS5) I don’t think I’ve ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in RAW that just opens in Photoshop.
So why don’t DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would in CS5) I don’t think I’ve ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in RAW that just opens in Photoshop.
On 2011-11-07 05:05:54 -0800, "Carrie" said:
"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message
"Ulysses" wrote:
"RDOC" wrote in message
Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file or a nef file? ThanksYour question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car. you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones…JPG or RAW
Actually, RAW is not a file format. Each manufacturer has its own format for RAW data, and Nikon’s happens to be NEF. Nothing weird about that. DNG
is a universal format for RAW data, by Adobe. Again, nothing weird about that.
So why don’t DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would in
CS5) I don’t think I’ve ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in RAW
that just opens in Photoshop.
DNG files are opened in Photoshop via ACR.
DNG or Digital Negative is an openRAW image format. It is based on the TIFF/EP standard format. This is Adobe’s attempt to create a universal RAW format.
DNG is a RAW data container which uses raw image data from an image sensor, and is structured as a TIFF plus metadata. It is used as the RAW data wrapper by several camera manufacturers such as Leica. In order to have DNG used as a "digital negative" for archiving purposes and avoid the ever changing generations of RAW by manufacturers such as Nikon and Canon, Adobe has provided the DNG converter, which is a compact version of the current ACR and a UI used solely for reading proprietary RAW wrappers such as NEF, CR2, RAF, etc. and then converting them to DNG and saving them complete with intact metadata.
Original DNG’s and DNG’s created using Adobe’s DNG Converter are standard RAW sensor data wrappers and can only have that data read using RAW file processing software such as ACR.
Once opened in any photo editing software such as Photoshop, Lightroom, Aperture, iPhoto, Preview, etc.
it is treated just the same as any RAW format and cannot be saved as as an adjusted RAW file, only one of the 16-bit or 8-bit image file formats such as TIFF, PSD, TGA, JPEG, PNG, etc.
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Regards,
Savageduck
In article <eOQtq.20317$>,
"Carrie" wrote:So why don’t DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would in
CS5) I don’t think I’ve ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in RAW
that just opens in Photoshop.
As you learned, they do open in Photoshop which calls ACR. You need to try it. You might have some DNG files in your Photoshop distribution media. Or download this sample:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2009-10/images/L1004220.DNG
"John J Stafford" wrote in message
In article <eOQtq.20317$>,
"Carrie" wrote:So why don’t DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would in
CS5) I don’t think I’ve ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in RAW
that just opens in Photoshop.
As you learned, they do open in Photoshop which calls ACR. You need to try it. You might have some DNG files in your Photoshop distribution media. Or download this sample:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2009-10/images/L1004220.DNG
Okay, trying it! I like to learn something new all I can, and actual doing it helps.
It opened, nice picture!
On 2011-11-07 09:00:28 -0800, "Carrie" said:
"John J Stafford" wrote in message
In article <eOQtq.20317$>,
"Carrie" wrote:So why don’t DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would in
CS5) I don’t think I’ve ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in RAW
that just opens in Photoshop.
As you learned, they do open in Photoshop which calls ACR. You need to try it. You might have some DNG files in your Photoshop distribution media. Or download this sample:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2009-10/images/L1004220.DNG
Okay, trying it! I like to learn something new all I can, and actual doing it helps.
It opened, nice picture!
You have to be careful. You cannot access the DNG directly from the link John provided. If it opened in your browser you are only seeing the imbedded jpeg.
To access the actual DNG got the the Ken Rockwell article and scroll down until you get to the image titled "Fern Springs, Yosemite Valley". Below the title you will see "Full-resolution © JPG(9.5MB)" from "kamera-original © DNG(18MB)". Do not open the "kamera-original © DNG(18MB)". Right click on it and download the linked file. That way you will have the full 18MB DNG file.
That file can be opened in ACR and processed as a RAW file.
"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in messageOn 2011-11-07 05:05:54 -0800, "Carrie" said:
"Johan W. Elzenga" wrote in message
"Ulysses" wrote:
"RDOC" wrote in message
Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file or a nef file? ThanksYour question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car. you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones…JPG or RAW
Actually, RAW is not a file format. Each manufacturer has its own format for RAW data, and Nikon’s happens to be NEF. Nothing weird about that. DNG
is a universal format for RAW data, by Adobe. Again, nothing weird about that.
So why don’t DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would in
CS5) I don’t think I’ve ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in RAW
that just opens in Photoshop.
DNG files are opened in Photoshop via ACR.
DNG or Digital Negative is an openRAW image format. It is based on the TIFF/EP standard format. This is Adobe’s attempt to create a universal RAW format.
DNG is a RAW data container which uses raw image data from an image sensor, and is structured as a TIFF plus metadata. It is used as the RAW data wrapper by several camera manufacturers such as Leica. In order to have DNG used as a "digital negative" for archiving purposes and avoid the ever changing generations of RAW by manufacturers such as Nikon and Canon, Adobe has provided the DNG converter, which is a compact version of the current ACR and a UI used solely for reading proprietary RAW wrappers such as NEF, CR2, RAF, etc. and then converting them to DNG and saving them complete with intact metadata.
Original DNG’s and DNG’s created using Adobe’s DNG Converter are standard RAW sensor data wrappers and can only have that data read using RAW file processing software such as ACR.
Once opened in any photo editing software such as Photoshop, Lightroom, Aperture, iPhoto, Preview, etc.
it is treated just the same as any RAW format and cannot be saved as as an adjusted RAW file, only one of the 16-bit or 8-bit image file formats such as TIFF, PSD, TGA, JPEG, PNG, etc.
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Regards,
Savageduck
Thanks. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a DNG file (in person) LOL
On 2011-11-07 09:00:28 -0800, "Carrie" said:
"John J Stafford" wrote in message
In article <eOQtq.20317$>,
"Carrie" wrote:So why don’t DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would in
CS5) I don’t think I’ve ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in RAW
that just opens in Photoshop.
As you learned, they do open in Photoshop which calls ACR. You need to try it. You might have some DNG files in your Photoshop distribution media. Or download this sample:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2009-10/images/L1004220.DNG
Okay, trying it! I like to learn something new all I can, and actual doing
it helps.
It opened, nice picture!
You have to be careful. You cannot access the DNG directly from the link John provided. If it opened in your browser you are only seeing the imbedded jpeg.
To access the actual DNG got the the Ken Rockwell article and scroll down until you get to the image titled "Fern Springs, Yosemite Valley". Below the title you will see "Full-resolution
"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in messageOn 2011-11-07 09:00:28 -0800, "Carrie" said:
"John J Stafford" wrote in message
In article <eOQtq.20317$>,
"Carrie" wrote:So why don’t DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would in
CS5) I don’t think I’ve ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in
RAW
that just opens in Photoshop.
As you learned, they do open in Photoshop which calls ACR. You need to try it. You might have some DNG files in your Photoshop distribution media. Or download this sample:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2009-10/images/L1004220.DNG
Okay, trying it! I like to learn something new all I can, and actual doing
it helps.
It opened, nice picture!
You have to be careful. You cannot access the DNG directly from the link John provided. If it opened in your browser you are only seeing the imbedded jpeg.
To access the actual DNG got the the Ken Rockwell article and scroll down until you get to the image titled "Fern Springs, Yosemite Valley". Below the title you will see "Full-resolution
DNG is a RAW data container which uses raw image data from an image sensor, and is structured as a TIFF plus metadata. It is used as the RAW data wrapper by several camera manufacturers such as Leica. In order to have DNG used as a "digital negative" for archiving purposes and avoid the ever changing generations of RAW by manufacturers such as Nikon and Canon, Adobe has provided the DNG converter, which is a compact version of the current ACR and a UI used solely for reading proprietary RAW wrappers such as NEF, CR2, RAF, etc. and then converting them to DNG and saving them complete with intact metadata.
Original DNG’s and DNG’s created using Adobe’s DNG Converter are standard RAW sensor data wrappers and can only have that data read using RAW file processing software such as ACR.
Once opened in any photo editing software such as Photoshop, Lightroom, Aperture, iPhoto, Preview, etc.
it is treated just the same as any RAW format and cannot be saved as as an adjusted RAW file, only one of the 16-bit or 8-bit image file formats such as TIFF, PSD, TGA, JPEG, PNG, etc.
Regards,you are a super pro in photography and know your stuff
Savageduck
you are a super pro in photography and know your stuff
I am not. i am a little guy who takes his canon eos camera out for the day and shoots nature, family, travel, etc, etc My biggest concern is the composure of the pic. if the pic is worthwhile, i will then take several pics of that object, and judge when back home then i load my JPG pics into photoshop. then crop, enhance, and save the file
I do not want to spend the time with all this conversion crap most amateurs don’t. photography and photoshop is my hobby I hope you see my point
"John J Stafford" wrote in message
In article <eOQtq.20317$>,
"Carrie" wrote:So why don’t DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would in
CS5) I don’t think I’ve ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in RAW
that just opens in Photoshop.
As you learned, they do open in Photoshop which calls ACR. You need to try it. You might have some DNG files in your Photoshop distribution media. Or download this sample:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2009-10/images/L1004220.DNG
Okay, trying it! I like to learn something new all I can, and actual doing it helps.
It opened, nice picture!
You have to be careful. You cannot access the DNG directly from the link John provided. If it opened in your browser you are only seeing the imbedded jpeg.
In article ,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
You have to be careful. You cannot access the DNG directly from the link John provided. If it opened in your browser you are only seeing the imbedded jpeg.
Sorry if I confused anyone! I use Firefox on Mac OS-X which offers to download the DNG file when you open the link.
DNG is a RAW data container which uses raw image data from an image sensor, and is structured as a TIFF plus metadata. It is used as the RAW data wrapper by several camera manufacturers such as Leica. In order to have DNG used as a "digital negative" for archiving purposes and avoid the ever changing generations of RAW by manufacturers such as Nikon and Canon, Adobe has provided the DNG converter, which is a compact version of the current ACR and a UI used solely for reading proprietary RAW wrappers such as NEF, CR2, RAF, etc. and then converting them to DNG and saving them complete with intact metadata.
Original DNG’s and DNG’s created using Adobe’s DNG Converter are standard RAW sensor data wrappers and can only have that data read using RAW file processing software such as ACR.
Once opened in any photo editing software such as Photoshop, Lightroom, Aperture, iPhoto, Preview, etc.
it is treated just the same as any RAW format and cannot be saved as as an adjusted RAW file, only one of the 16-bit or 8-bit image file formats such as TIFF, PSD, TGA, JPEG, PNG, etc.
Regards,you are a super pro in photography and know your stuff
Savageduck
I am not. i am a little guy who takes his canon eos camera
out for the day and shoots nature, family, travel, etc, etc My biggest concern is the composure of the pic. if the pic is worthwhile, i will then take several pics of that object, and judge when back home then i load my JPG pics into photoshop. then crop, enhance, and save the file
I do not want to spend the time with all this conversion crap most amateurs don’t. photography and photoshop is my hobby
I hope you see my point
P.S. thought about starting a new newsgroup.
calling it alt.graphics.photoshop.amateur
it would enable us idiots to to share stories and problems, and include photography. but the group would be informal like a sit-down group and gab, swap stories
what is your opinion ?? Carrie (and others) are you listening thanks for input on files
you are a super pro in photography and know your stuff
I am not. i am a little guy who takes his canon eos camera out for the day and shoots nature, family, travel, etc, etc My biggest concern is the composure of the pic. if the pic is worthwhile, i will then take several pics of that object, and judge when back home then i load my JPG pics into photoshop. then crop, enhance, and save the file
I do not want to spend the time with all this conversion crap most amateurs don’t. photography and photoshop is my hobby I hope you see my point
"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in messageOn 2011-11-07 09:00:28 -0800, "Carrie" said:
"John J Stafford" wrote in message
In article <eOQtq.20317$>,
"Carrie" wrote:So why don’t DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would in
CS5) I don’t think I’ve ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in RAW
that just opens in Photoshop.
As you learned, they do open in Photoshop which calls ACR. You need to try it. You might have some DNG files in your Photoshop distribution media. Or download this sample:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/trips/2009-10/images/L1004220.DNG
Okay, trying it! I like to learn something new all I can, and actual doing
it helps.
It opened, nice picture!
You have to be careful. You cannot access the DNG directly from the link John provided. If it opened in your browser you are only seeing the imbedded jpeg.
To access the actual DNG got the the Ken Rockwell article and scroll down until you get to the image titled "Fern Springs, Yosemite Valley". Below the title you will see "Full-resolution © JPG(9.5MB)" from "kamera-original © DNG(18MB)". Do not open the "kamera-original © DNG(18MB)". Right click on it and download the linked file. That way you will have the full 18MB DNG file.
That file can be opened in ACR and processed as a RAW file.
—
Regards,
Savageduck
I clicked on it and it (the link) and opened in the PS (CS3) RAW option. Isn’t this what it’s supposed to do? I played around with the settings for a bit, to change it.
DNG is a RAW data container which uses raw image data from an image sensor, and is structured as a TIFF plus metadata. It is used as the RAW data wrapper by several camera manufacturers such as Leica. In order to have DNG used as a "digital negative" for archiving purposes and avoid the ever changing generations of RAW by manufacturers such as Nikon and Canon, Adobe has provided the DNG converter, which is a compact version of the current ACR and a UI used solely for reading proprietary RAW wrappers such as NEF, CR2, RAF, etc. and then converting them to DNG and saving them complete with intact metadata.
Original DNG’s and DNG’s created using Adobe’s DNG Converter are standard RAW sensor data wrappers and can only have that data read using RAW file processing software such as ACR.
Once opened in any photo editing software such as Photoshop, Lightroom, Aperture, iPhoto, Preview, etc.
it is treated just the same as any RAW format and cannot be saved as as an adjusted RAW file, only one of the 16-bit or 8-bit image file formats such as TIFF, PSD, TGA, JPEG, PNG, etc.
Regards,you are a super pro in photography and know your stuff
Savageduck
I am not.
i am a little guy who takes his canon eos camera
out for the day and shoots nature, family, travel, etc, etc My biggest concern is the composure of the pic. if the pic is worthwhile, i will then take several pics of that object, and judge when back home then i load my JPG pics into photoshop. then crop, enhance, and save the file
I do not want to spend the time with all this conversion crap most amateurs don’t.
photography and photoshop is my hobby
I hope you see my point
P.S.
thought about starting a new newsgroup.
calling it alt.graphics.photoshop.amateur
it would enable us idiots to to share stories and problems, and include photography. but the group would be informal like a sit-down group and gab, swap stories
what is your opinion ?? Carrie (and others) are you listening thanks for input on files
In article <xZVtq.14401$>,
"Ulysses" wrote:
you are a super pro in photography and know your stuff
I am not. i am a little guy who takes his canon eos camera out for the day and shoots nature, family, travel, etc, etc My biggest concern is the composure of the pic. if the pic is worthwhile, i will then take several pics of that object, and judge when back home then i load my JPG pics into photoshop. then crop, enhance, and save the file
I do not want to spend the time with all this conversion crap most amateurs don’t. photography and photoshop is my hobby I hope you see my point
Sure, point well made. I understand. Note that opening a RAW file in Photoshop is automatic. Just clicks on the first dialog, and the file opens for you in photoshop. If you have Bridge it’s more fun.
Remember, the RAW files are not directly editable. If you make changes to the RAW file (or DNG for that matter) in ACR, you can go back into Bridge and apply those adjustments to a batch of files
Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file or a nef file? Thanks
In article ,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
Remember, the RAW files are not directly editable. If you make changes to the RAW file (or DNG for that matter) in ACR, you can go back into Bridge and apply those adjustments to a batch of files
Just asking you, Savageduck, but are you aware of the DNG that can save the changes you make on it, thus the possibly of reverting the original?
On 2011-11-07 15:41:57 -0800, John J Stafford said:
In article ,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
Remember, the RAW files are not directly editable. If you make changes to the RAW file (or DNG for that matter) in ACR, you can go back into Bridge and apply those adjustments to a batch of files
Just asking you, Savageduck, but are you aware of the DNG that can save the changes you make on it, thus the possibly of reverting the original?
From everything I know of DNG edits made to the DNG, of NEF or any other RAW file are only recorded as XMP "sidecar" files. The actual DNG is not altered.
In order to edit a DNG in Photoshop "RAW conversion" has to take place first, for Adobe this is done with ACR which reads and processes the RAW sensor data, and the EXIF and other metadata from the camera. After ACR adjustments are made and you click on the "Open Image" button, the ACR adjusted file will be converted to an editable output format, usually TIFF.
So to answer your question; No, saving an adjusted DNG or any other RAW file, or to reverse engineer and/or overwrite the original DNG is not possible.? The adjusted DNG will re-open with the same adjustments made.
On 2011-11-07 15:41:57 -0800, John J Stafford said:
In article ,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
Remember, the RAW files are not directly editable. If you make changes to the RAW file (or DNG for that matter) in ACR, you can go back into Bridge and apply those adjustments to a batch of files
Just asking you, Savageduck, but are you aware of the DNG that can save the changes you make on it, thus the possibly of reverting the original?
From everything I know of DNG edits made to the DNG, of NEF or any other RAW file are only recorded as XMP "sidecar" files. The actual DNG is not altered.
Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file or a nef file? Thanks
On Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:56:12 -0800, Savageduck
<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
On 2011-11-07 15:41:57 -0800, John J Stafford said:
In article ,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
Remember, the RAW files are not directly editable. If you make changes to the RAW file (or DNG for that matter) in ACR, you can go back into Bridge and apply those adjustments to a batch of files
Just asking you, Savageduck, but are you aware of the DNG that can save the changes you make on it, thus the possibly of reverting the original?
From everything I know of DNG edits made to the DNG, of NEF or any other RAW file are only recorded as XMP "sidecar" files. The actual DNG is not altered.
Well, it is, kinda. A whole bunch of adjustments can be made to the DNG file. Close that file, and re-open it later, and the adjustments you made are still in place. But – and here’s where the "kinda" comes in – you can change all those adjustments back to where they were before you did anything or to any other settings. The basic RAW file isn’t changed but what you see of the file is changed.
In order to edit a DNG in Photoshop "RAW conversion" has to take place first, for Adobe this is done with ACR which reads and processes the RAW sensor data, and the EXIF and other metadata from the camera. After ACR adjustments are made and you click on the "Open Image" button, the ACR adjusted file will be converted to an editable output format, usually TIFF.
No, it’s not usually a TIF. The format must be designated. You can designate it to be a jpg, a TIF, a PSD, or one of several other formats. It will save as a jpg if there is only the single layer, and save as a PSD if there are multiple layers. I can’t remember saving as a TIF. All my files are DNGs, jpgs, or PSDs.
So to answer your question; No, saving an adjusted DNG or any other RAW file, or to reverse engineer and/or overwrite the original DNG is not possible.? The adjusted DNG will re-open with the same adjustments made.
What you are saying is true for edits made to DNG files in Lightroom, or recorded to NEF or DNG in ACR – and not opened in CSx by clicking on the ACR "Done" button. The DNG will always remain unaltered, the adjustments are recorded in the "sidecar" XMP files.
…and there is nothing wrong with that methodology, except I am sure you biggest concern is probably COMPOSITION rather than "composure", unless you are more concerned with the mental state of your images. 😉my error. I meant composition. body and brain geting old thanks for all your comments
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On 11/7/2011 5:56 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2011-11-07 15:41:57 -0800, John J Stafford said:
In article ,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
Remember, the RAW files are not directly editable. If you make changes to the RAW file (or DNG for that matter) in ACR, you can go back into Bridge and apply those adjustments to a batch of files
Just asking you, Savageduck, but are you aware of the DNG that can save the changes you make on it, thus the possibly of reverting the original?
From everything I know of DNG edits made to the DNG, of NEF or any other RAW file are only recorded as XMP "sidecar" files. The actual DNG is not altered.
Yes and No. Yes, the actual RAW data inside the DNG is not altered. No, the DNG does not require a sidecar file, the edits are stored as metadata inside the DNG file. Therefore, all edits made to a DNG file using ACR can be reversed.
Jonz
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On 11/7/2011 5:56 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2011-11-07 15:41:57 -0800, John J Stafford said:
In article,
Savageduck<savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
Remember, the RAW files are not directly editable. If you make changes to the RAW file (or DNG for that matter) in ACR, you can go back into Bridge and apply those adjustments to a batch of files
Just asking you, Savageduck, but are you aware of the DNG that can save the changes you make on it, thus the possibly of reverting the original?
From everything I know of DNG edits made to the DNG, of NEF or any other RAW file are only recorded as XMP "sidecar" files. The actual DNG is not altered.
Yes and No. Yes, the actual RAW data inside the DNG is not altered. No, the DNG does not require a sidecar file, the edits are stored as metadata inside the DNG file. Therefore, all edits made to a DNG file using ACR can be reversed.
Jonz
I’m getting confused. Can you recommend a good book or other doc that might help me master this subject?
DNG is a RAW data container which uses raw image data from an image sensor, and is structured as a TIFF plus metadata. It is used as the RAW data wrapper by several camera manufacturers such as Leica. In order to have DNG used as a "digital negative" for archiving purposes and avoid the ever changing generations of RAW by manufacturers such as Nikon and Canon, Adobe has provided the DNG converter, which is a compact version of the current ACR and a UI used solely for reading proprietary RAW wrappers such as NEF, CR2, RAF, etc. and then converting them to DNG and saving them complete with intact metadata.
Original DNG’s and DNG’s created using Adobe’s DNG Converter are standard RAW sensor data wrappers and can only have that data read using RAW file processing software such as ACR.
Once opened in any photo editing software such as Photoshop, Lightroom, Aperture, iPhoto, Preview, etc.
it is treated just the same as any RAW format and cannot be saved as as an adjusted RAW file, only one of the 16-bit or 8-bit image file formats such as TIFF, PSD, TGA, JPEG, PNG, etc.
Regards,you are a super pro in photography and know your stuff
Savageduck
I am not. i am a little guy who takes his canon eos camera out for the day and shoots nature, family, travel, etc, etc My biggest concern is the composure of the pic. if the pic is worthwhile, i will then take several pics of that object, and judge when back home then i load my JPG pics into photoshop.
then crop, enhance, and save the file
I do not want to spend the time with all this conversion crap most amateurs don’t. photography and photoshop is my hobby I hope you see my point
P.S. thought about starting a new newsgroup.
calling it alt.graphics.photoshop.amateur
it would enable us idiots to to share stories and problems, and include photography. but the group would be informal like a sit-down group and gab, swap stories
what is your opinion ?? Carrie (and others) are you listening thanks for input on files
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Is there a free software program or a viewer that will open a dng file or a nef file? ThanksYour question is like a guy in the desert with an electric car. you ask "where do I plug in?". anyone who uses weird photogaphy formats is asking for trouble. stick with common ones…JPG or RAW
Actually, RAW is not a file format. Each manufacturer has its own format for RAW data, and Nikon’s happens to be NEF. Nothing weird about that. DNG is a universal format for RAW data, by Adobe. Again, nothing weird about that.
So why don’t DNG files open in Photoshop? (I think it said they would in CS5) I don’t think I’ve ever had a DNG file. My Canon camera shoots in RAW that just opens in Photoshop.
In article ,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
Remember, the RAW files are not directly editable. If you make changes to the RAW file (or DNG for that matter) in ACR, you can go back into Bridge and apply those adjustments to a batch of files
Just asking you, Savageduck, but are you aware of the DNG that can save the changes you make on it, thus the possibly of reverting the original?
John J Stafford wrote:
In article ,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
Remember, the RAW files are not directly editable. If you make changes to the RAW file (or DNG for that matter) in ACR, you can go back into Bridge and apply those adjustments to a batch of files
Just asking you, Savageduck, but are you aware of the DNG that can save the changes you make on it, thus the possibly of reverting the original?
*If* (I know it is) DNG is one of the many RAW formats then the change(s) won’t be saved to DNG file, but it will save to the additional file which contains all the change.
Example, if the RAW file is "John J Stafford.DNG" then there will be another file like (example) "John J Stafford.XXX" which contains all the newer information.
*If* you DELETE or RENAME the "XXX" file then the DNG will return to its very original stage.
And this is one of the reason why Photoshop itself should be able to open and retouch DNG and other RAW formats but it won’t. Because it can’t store all other changes (like Liquify, Style, Mask, Brush, Dodge/Burn, Magic Wand etc.), it just not worth the trouble.
Just asking you, Savageduck, but are you aware of the DNG that can save the changes you make on it, thus the possibly of reverting the original?
From everything I know of DNG edits made to the DNG, of NEF or any other RAW file are only recorded as XMP "sidecar" files. The actual DNG is not altered.
Yes and No. Yes, the actual RAW data inside the DNG is not altered. No, the DNG does not require a sidecar file, the edits are stored as metadata inside the DNG file. Therefore, all edits made to a DNG file using ACR can be reversed.
Jonz
I’m getting confused. Can you recommend a good book or other doc that might help me master this subject?
John J Stafford wrote:
In article ,
Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
Remember, the RAW files are not directly editable. If you make changes to the RAW file (or DNG for that matter) in ACR, you can go back into Bridge and apply those adjustments to a batch of files
Just asking you, Savageduck, but are you aware of the DNG that can save the changes you make on it, thus the possibly of reverting the original?
*If* (I know it is) DNG is one of the many RAW formats then the change(s) won’t be saved to DNG file, but it will save to the additional file which contains all the change.
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