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sRBGIEC61966-2.1 color setting that I've been using for most of my
files, so I set up a new Pro Photo color setting.
This has caused a problem: Every time I open a Photoshop image, a
window first opens that asks if I want to use the embadded profile
(sRGBIEC61966-2.1, or to convert the color setting to the working
setting, which is Pro Photo.
The window shows that the radio button is on the setting for the file
being untagged, so I have to click on the button to choose the embedded
profile.
What can I do to avoid this annoyance, and still benefit from the wider
gamut that Pro Photo will provide for my new pictures?
Robert
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> I recently learned that the Pro Photo color setting is better than the
> sRBGIEC61966-2.1 color setting that I've been using for most of my
> files, so I set up a new Pro Photo color setting.
>
> This has caused a problem: Every time I open a Photoshop image, a window
> first opens that asks if I want to use the embadded profile
> (sRGBIEC61966-2.1, or to convert the color setting to the working
> setting, which is Pro Photo.
>
> The window shows that the radio button is on the setting for the file
> being untagged, so I have to click on the button to choose the embedded
> profile.
>
> What can I do to avoid this annoyance, and still benefit from the wider
> gamut that Pro Photo will provide for my new pictures?
>
> Robert
I just solved the problem; I had forgotten to quit Pshop and reopen it
to activate the new settings.
Robert
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On 2011-11-21 14:57:40 -0800, Robert Montgomery
<robert-m@northern-data-tech-llc.com> said:
> I recently learned that the Pro Photo color setting is better than the
> sRBGIEC61966-2.1 color setting that I've been using for most of my
> files, so I set up a new Pro Photo color setting.
>
> This has caused a problem: Every time I open a Photoshop image, a
> window first opens that asks if I want to use the embadded profile
> (sRGBIEC61966-2.1, or to convert the color setting to the working
> setting, which is Pro Photo.
>
> The window shows that the radio button is on the setting for the file
> being untagged, so I have to click on the button to choose the embedded
> profile.
>
> What can I do to avoid this annoyance, and still benefit from the wider
> gamut that Pro Photo will provide for my new pictures?
>
> Robert
ProPhoto certainly gives you a wider gamut than Adobe RGB or sRGB.
There are a few things one should consider when making that choice when
editing in Photoshop.
Most important consideration is going to be your output. Are you
working towards a print, or are you only going to have the resulting
image viewed on a display. What have you done to ensure color matching
the work on your display to a standard output for display? or matched
with a printer & paper profile.
For the most part any editing you do in ProPhoto colorspace will have
to be coverted to sRGB for consistent display or printing on most
printers. For some print work you might be required to use CMYK.
What you are experiencing is a conflict in the default colorspace you
have set and what the you are being queried on when making saves. If
you are confident with what you are actually doing, you should be able
to get rid if the annoying warnings and requests to make a choice.
Go to Edit-->Color Settings
This will open the Color Settings dialog.
In the center section "Color Management Policies" you will/should find
two option lines and three "check boxes".
1: "Profiles Mismatches" with choices "Ask when opening" & "Ask when pasting"
You can have any of these checked or unchecked.
2: "Missing Profiles" has one check box.
< http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/ColorSettings.jpg >
I have chosen to have all of the warnings disabled. When I open RAW
files from ACR they open in CS5 using ProPhoto. Once I have completed
my work on that particular image I have created an action which adds a
border, converts from 16-bit mode to 8-bit, and converts the color
profile from ProPhoto to sRGB, which is what I need for my Epson R2880
and display of any images I might share online, ending up with results
along these lines.
< http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_1726Gws.jpg >
--
Regards,
Savageduck
<robert-m@northern-data-tech-llc.com> said:
> I recently learned that the Pro Photo color setting is better than the
> sRBGIEC61966-2.1 color setting that I've been using for most of my
> files, so I set up a new Pro Photo color setting.
>
> This has caused a problem: Every time I open a Photoshop image, a
> window first opens that asks if I want to use the embadded profile
> (sRGBIEC61966-2.1, or to convert the color setting to the working
> setting, which is Pro Photo.
>
> The window shows that the radio button is on the setting for the file
> being untagged, so I have to click on the button to choose the embedded
> profile.
>
> What can I do to avoid this annoyance, and still benefit from the wider
> gamut that Pro Photo will provide for my new pictures?
>
> Robert
ProPhoto certainly gives you a wider gamut than Adobe RGB or sRGB.
There are a few things one should consider when making that choice when
editing in Photoshop.
Most important consideration is going to be your output. Are you
working towards a print, or are you only going to have the resulting
image viewed on a display. What have you done to ensure color matching
the work on your display to a standard output for display? or matched
with a printer & paper profile.
For the most part any editing you do in ProPhoto colorspace will have
to be coverted to sRGB for consistent display or printing on most
printers. For some print work you might be required to use CMYK.
What you are experiencing is a conflict in the default colorspace you
have set and what the you are being queried on when making saves. If
you are confident with what you are actually doing, you should be able
to get rid if the annoying warnings and requests to make a choice.
Go to Edit-->Color Settings
This will open the Color Settings dialog.
In the center section "Color Management Policies" you will/should find
two option lines and three "check boxes".
1: "Profiles Mismatches" with choices "Ask when opening" & "Ask when pasting"
You can have any of these checked or unchecked.
2: "Missing Profiles" has one check box.
< http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/ColorSettings.jpg >
I have chosen to have all of the warnings disabled. When I open RAW
files from ACR they open in CS5 using ProPhoto. Once I have completed
my work on that particular image I have created an action which adds a
border, converts from 16-bit mode to 8-bit, and converts the color
profile from ProPhoto to sRGB, which is what I need for my Epson R2880
and display of any images I might share online, ending up with results
along these lines.
< http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_1726Gws.jpg >
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>
> I have chosen to have all of the warnings disabled. When I open RAW files
> from ACR they open in CS5 using ProPhoto. Once I have completed my work
> on that particular image I have created an action which adds a border,
> converts from 16-bit mode to 8-bit, and converts the color profile from
> ProPhoto to sRGB, which is what I need for my Epson R2880 and display of
> any images I might share online, ending up with results along these lines.
> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_1726Gws.jpg >
Your Epson R2880 certainly does not 'need' sRGB, on the contrary. Providing
that you know how to use color managment for printing, your printer will
benefit from a larger color space, such as AdobeRGB or even the ProPhotoRGB
you now start with. Don't think that ProPhotoRGB is 'too big' for your
printer. That is what color management is for. But a color space that is
already too small (and sRGB is indeed too small for this printer), will
give sub-optimal results, with or without color management.
--
Johan W. Elzenga, Editor/Photographer, www.johanfoto.com
>
> I have chosen to have all of the warnings disabled. When I open RAW files
> from ACR they open in CS5 using ProPhoto. Once I have completed my work
> on that particular image I have created an action which adds a border,
> converts from 16-bit mode to 8-bit, and converts the color profile from
> ProPhoto to sRGB, which is what I need for my Epson R2880 and display of
> any images I might share online, ending up with results along these lines.
> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_1726Gws.jpg >
Your Epson R2880 certainly does not 'need' sRGB, on the contrary. Providing
that you know how to use color managment for printing, your printer will
benefit from a larger color space, such as AdobeRGB or even the ProPhotoRGB
you now start with. Don't think that ProPhotoRGB is 'too big' for your
printer. That is what color management is for. But a color space that is
already too small (and sRGB is indeed too small for this printer), will
give sub-optimal results, with or without color management.
--
Johan W. Elzenga, Editor/Photographer, www.johanfoto.com
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On 2011-11-22 01:00:30 -0800, Johan W. Elzenga <nomail@please.invalid> said:
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have chosen to have all of the warnings disabled. When I open RAW files
>> from ACR they open in CS5 using ProPhoto. Once I have completed my work
>> on that particular image I have created an action which adds a border,
>> converts from 16-bit mode to 8-bit, and converts the color profile from
>> ProPhoto to sRGB, which is what I need for my Epson R2880 and display of
>> any images I might share online, ending up with results along these lines.
>> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_1726Gws.jpg >
>
> Your Epson R2880 certainly does not 'need' sRGB, on the contrary. Providing
> that you know how to use color managment for printing, your printer will
> benefit from a larger color space, such as AdobeRGB or even the ProPhotoRGB
> you now start with. Don't think that ProPhotoRGB is 'too big' for your
> printer. That is what color management is for. But a color space that is
> already too small (and sRGB is indeed too small for this printer), will
> give sub-optimal results, with or without color management.
Perhaps "need" was a poor choice of words, since I use what gives my
workflow/hardware good results. Sometimes that means working in 16-bit
ProPhoto PSD/TIF, sometimes sRGB, 8/16-bit JPEG/PSD.
Where my workflow is going to result in a file for printing, usually my
paper selection is going to determine some of my actions. Many of those
image files are only retained as 16-bit, ProPhoto PSD's
I maintain a calibrated display. I mainly use Red River paper for my
final prints, I use the Red River custom profiles for those papers.
Prints made on their Polar Pearl Metallic and UltraPro Gloss papers, I
usually only print from 16-bit, ProPhoto files. With only a few being
printed from sRGB jpeg files. The Metallic papers are quite critical
when it come to getting good print results, even on the R2880. Not all
images present well on Metallic papers.
When I use their UltraPro Satin 2.0, Polar Matte, 60lb Linen I usually
print from sRGB 8-bit JPEGs. (Here is where I have my only complaint
with the R2880, having to swap out Photo Black & Matte Black inks).
I can say, so far I have yet to be disappointed with any of the prints
produced on the R2880. I cannot say the same for the Canon i9900 it
replaced. That was a printer which promised plenty, but was never
consistent, and was always disappointing in some way.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have chosen to have all of the warnings disabled. When I open RAW files
>> from ACR they open in CS5 using ProPhoto. Once I have completed my work
>> on that particular image I have created an action which adds a border,
>> converts from 16-bit mode to 8-bit, and converts the color profile from
>> ProPhoto to sRGB, which is what I need for my Epson R2880 and display of
>> any images I might share online, ending up with results along these lines.
>> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_1726Gws.jpg >
>
> Your Epson R2880 certainly does not 'need' sRGB, on the contrary. Providing
> that you know how to use color managment for printing, your printer will
> benefit from a larger color space, such as AdobeRGB or even the ProPhotoRGB
> you now start with. Don't think that ProPhotoRGB is 'too big' for your
> printer. That is what color management is for. But a color space that is
> already too small (and sRGB is indeed too small for this printer), will
> give sub-optimal results, with or without color management.
Perhaps "need" was a poor choice of words, since I use what gives my
workflow/hardware good results. Sometimes that means working in 16-bit
ProPhoto PSD/TIF, sometimes sRGB, 8/16-bit JPEG/PSD.
Where my workflow is going to result in a file for printing, usually my
paper selection is going to determine some of my actions. Many of those
image files are only retained as 16-bit, ProPhoto PSD's
I maintain a calibrated display. I mainly use Red River paper for my
final prints, I use the Red River custom profiles for those papers.
Prints made on their Polar Pearl Metallic and UltraPro Gloss papers, I
usually only print from 16-bit, ProPhoto files. With only a few being
printed from sRGB jpeg files. The Metallic papers are quite critical
when it come to getting good print results, even on the R2880. Not all
images present well on Metallic papers.
When I use their UltraPro Satin 2.0, Polar Matte, 60lb Linen I usually
print from sRGB 8-bit JPEGs. (Here is where I have my only complaint
with the R2880, having to swap out Photo Black & Matte Black inks).
I can say, so far I have yet to be disappointed with any of the prints
produced on the R2880. I cannot say the same for the Canon i9900 it
replaced. That was a printer which promised plenty, but was never
consistent, and was always disappointing in some way.
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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Savageduck wrote:
> On 2011-11-21 14:57:40 -0800, Robert Montgomery
> <robert-m@northern-data-tech-llc.com> said:
>
>> I recently learned that the Pro Photo color setting is better than the
>> sRBGIEC61966-2.1 color setting that I've been using for most of my
>> files, so I set up a new Pro Photo color setting.
>>
>> This has caused a problem: Every time I open a Photoshop image, a
>> window first opens that asks if I want to use the embadded profile
>> (sRGBIEC61966-2.1, or to convert the color setting to the working
>> setting, which is Pro Photo.
>>
>> The window shows that the radio button is on the setting for the file
>> being untagged, so I have to click on the button to choose the
>> embedded profile.
>>
>> What can I do to avoid this annoyance, and still benefit from the
>> wider gamut that Pro Photo will provide for my new pictures?
>>
>> Robert
>
> ProPhoto certainly gives you a wider gamut than Adobe RGB or sRGB.
>
> There are a few things one should consider when making that choice when
> editing in Photoshop.
> Most important consideration is going to be your output. Are you working
> towards a print, or are you only going to have the resulting image
> viewed on a display.
Both.
What have you done to ensure color matching the
> work on your display to a standard output for display?
I've calibrated my monitor.
or matched with a
> printer & paper profile.
In File > Print > Printer, I've selected the applicable printer (I have
two Epson inkjets.)
In File > Print > Print Settings, I've chosen Color Settings > Epson
Color Controls, and
In Print Setings > Media Type > I choose Watercolor Paper Radiant White
for Lyve canvas or Enhanced Matte for Somerset Velvet paper, and
In View > Proof Setup, I check Lyve canvas or Somerset Velvet paper, and
in View > Proof Colors, I've put a check mare, and
In View, Gamut Warning, I've put a check mark.
> For the most part any editing you do in ProPhoto colorspace will have to
> be coverted to sRGB for consistent display or printing on most printers.
> For some print work you might be required to use CMYK.
I'm printing only on my two Epson inkjet printers.
> What you are experiencing is a conflict in the default colorspace you
> have set and what the you are being queried on when making saves. If you
> are confident with what you are actually doing, you should be able to
> get rid if the annoying warnings and requests to make a choice.
>
> Go to Edit-->Color Settings
>
> This will open the Color Settings dialog.
> In the center section "Color Management Policies" you will/should find
> two option lines and three "check boxes".
> 1: "Profiles Mismatches" with choices "Ask when opening" & "Ask when
> pasting"
> You can have any of these checked or unchecked.
>
> 2: "Missing Profiles" has one check box.
>
> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/ColorSettings.jpg >
>
> I have chosen to have all of the warnings disabled.
Okay. I got that part.
Thanks. Robert
When I open RAW
> files from ACR they open in CS5 using ProPhoto. Once I have completed my
> work on that particular image I have created an action which adds a
> border, converts from 16-bit mode to 8-bit, and converts the color
> profile from ProPhoto to sRGB, which is what I need for my Epson R2880
> and display of any images I might share online, ending up with results
> along these lines.
> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_1726Gws.jpg >
>
>
> On 2011-11-21 14:57:40 -0800, Robert Montgomery
> <robert-m@northern-data-tech-llc.com> said:
>
>> I recently learned that the Pro Photo color setting is better than the
>> sRBGIEC61966-2.1 color setting that I've been using for most of my
>> files, so I set up a new Pro Photo color setting.
>>
>> This has caused a problem: Every time I open a Photoshop image, a
>> window first opens that asks if I want to use the embadded profile
>> (sRGBIEC61966-2.1, or to convert the color setting to the working
>> setting, which is Pro Photo.
>>
>> The window shows that the radio button is on the setting for the file
>> being untagged, so I have to click on the button to choose the
>> embedded profile.
>>
>> What can I do to avoid this annoyance, and still benefit from the
>> wider gamut that Pro Photo will provide for my new pictures?
>>
>> Robert
>
> ProPhoto certainly gives you a wider gamut than Adobe RGB or sRGB.
>
> There are a few things one should consider when making that choice when
> editing in Photoshop.
> Most important consideration is going to be your output. Are you working
> towards a print, or are you only going to have the resulting image
> viewed on a display.
Both.
What have you done to ensure color matching the
> work on your display to a standard output for display?
I've calibrated my monitor.
or matched with a
> printer & paper profile.
In File > Print > Printer, I've selected the applicable printer (I have
two Epson inkjets.)
In File > Print > Print Settings, I've chosen Color Settings > Epson
Color Controls, and
In Print Setings > Media Type > I choose Watercolor Paper Radiant White
for Lyve canvas or Enhanced Matte for Somerset Velvet paper, and
In View > Proof Setup, I check Lyve canvas or Somerset Velvet paper, and
in View > Proof Colors, I've put a check mare, and
In View, Gamut Warning, I've put a check mark.
> For the most part any editing you do in ProPhoto colorspace will have to
> be coverted to sRGB for consistent display or printing on most printers.
> For some print work you might be required to use CMYK.
I'm printing only on my two Epson inkjet printers.
> What you are experiencing is a conflict in the default colorspace you
> have set and what the you are being queried on when making saves. If you
> are confident with what you are actually doing, you should be able to
> get rid if the annoying warnings and requests to make a choice.
>
> Go to Edit-->Color Settings
>
> This will open the Color Settings dialog.
> In the center section "Color Management Policies" you will/should find
> two option lines and three "check boxes".
> 1: "Profiles Mismatches" with choices "Ask when opening" & "Ask when
> pasting"
> You can have any of these checked or unchecked.
>
> 2: "Missing Profiles" has one check box.
>
> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/ColorSettings.jpg >
>
> I have chosen to have all of the warnings disabled.
Okay. I got that part.
Thanks. Robert
When I open RAW
> files from ACR they open in CS5 using ProPhoto. Once I have completed my
> work on that particular image I have created an action which adds a
> border, converts from 16-bit mode to 8-bit, and converts the color
> profile from ProPhoto to sRGB, which is what I need for my Epson R2880
> and display of any images I might share online, ending up with results
> along these lines.
> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_1726Gws.jpg >
>
>
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On 2011-11-30 22:04:13 -0800, Robert Montgomery
<robert-m@northern-data-tech-llc.com> said:
> Savageduck wrote:
>> On 2011-11-21 14:57:40 -0800, Robert Montgomery
>> <robert-m@northern-data-tech-llc.com> said:
>>
>>> I recently learned that the Pro Photo color setting is better than the
>>> sRBGIEC61966-2.1 color setting that I've been using for most of my
>>> files, so I set up a new Pro Photo color setting.
>>>
>>> This has caused a problem: Every time I open a Photoshop image, a
>>> window first opens that asks if I want to use the embadded profile
>>> (sRGBIEC61966-2.1, or to convert the color setting to the working
>>> setting, which is Pro Photo.
>>>
>>> The window shows that the radio button is on the setting for the file
>>> being untagged, so I have to click on the button to choose the
>>> embedded profile.
>>>
>>> What can I do to avoid this annoyance, and still benefit from the
>>> wider gamut that Pro Photo will provide for my new pictures?
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> ProPhoto certainly gives you a wider gamut than Adobe RGB or sRGB.
>>
>> There are a few things one should consider when making that choice when
>> editing in Photoshop.
>> Most important consideration is going to be your output. Are you working
>> towards a print, or are you only going to have the resulting image
>> viewed on a display.
>
> Both.
OK! Though you should be able to print satisfactorily of your Epson
printers I qualify that by asking which Epson printers you are talking
about.
....and while all you need for file resolution for screen display is
72ppi, 240-300ppi is going to be preferred for printing. I seldom go to
72ppi if the file I am using is going to serve both purposes. If the
display file is going to be resized considerably smaller than the print
size I will consider changing to 72ppi from 300ppi and in sRGB, you
will not see the difference on a display.
So given my usual practice I have an image I worked on in ProPhoto RGB,
16-bit and ended up with a final print size of 21.28MB 4950x3353 @
300ppi in 16-Bit ProPhoto RGB usually save as a PSD. That lets me print
large on 19x13 paper, and if I want to I can obtain much larger
commercial prints. To save that as a JPEG I have to go to 8-Bit.
The JPEG file I produced for display viewing is about 260KB 867x1280
@300ppi in 8-Bit sRGB and quite simply open in a browser. That is the
image I shared in the post you responded to and can be found by
clicking on the link at the bottom of this lengthy missive.
>
> What have you done to ensure color matching the
>> work on your display to a standard output for display?
>
>
> I've calibrated my monitor.
Good!
>
> or matched with a
>> printer & paper profile.
>
> In File > Print > Printer, I've selected the applicable printer (I have
> two Epson inkjets.)
It would be good to know models.
>
> In File > Print > Print Settings, I've chosen Color Settings > Epson
> Color Controls, and
>
> In Print Setings > Media Type > I choose Watercolor Paper Radiant White
> for Lyve canvas or Enhanced Matte for Somerset Velvet paper, and
>
> In View > Proof Setup, I check Lyve canvas or Somerset Velvet paper, and
>
> in View > Proof Colors, I've put a check mare, and
>
> In View, Gamut Warning, I've put a check mark.
If you have done your work well, the gamut warning is only going to go
haywire if you set the Rendering Intent to "Absolute Colorimetric".
When making my final prints I rarely have the Match Print Colors &
Gamut Warning boxes checked.
....and there it is going to be a matter of whether you are using custom
paper/printer profiles for Photoshop to control, or if you are letting
the Epson driver handle things.
Since I am using Red River Papers, my current favorite being Polar
Pearl Metallic, I use their custom profiles for my R2880 and Manage
Colors.
I will usually have the Rendering Intent set to "Perceptual" and only
occasionally use "Relative Colorimetric"
>
>
>> For the most part any editing you do in ProPhoto colorspace will have to
>> be coverted to sRGB for consistent display or printing on most printers.
>> For some print work you might be required to use CMYK.
>
> I'm printing only on my two Epson inkjet printers.
Fine. That makes thing simple.
>
>> What you are experiencing is a conflict in the default colorspace you
>> have set and what the you are being queried on when making saves. If you
>> are confident with what you are actually doing, you should be able to
>> get rid if the annoying warnings and requests to make a choice.
>>
>> Go to Edit-->Color Settings
>>
>> This will open the Color Settings dialog.
>> In the center section "Color Management Policies" you will/should find
>> two option lines and three "check boxes".
>> 1: "Profiles Mismatches" with choices "Ask when opening" & "Ask when
>> pasting"
>> You can have any of these checked or unchecked.
>>
>> 2: "Missing Profiles" has one check box.
>>
>> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/ColorSettings.jpg >
>>
>> I have chosen to have all of the warnings disabled.
>
> Okay. I got that part.
>
> Thanks. Robert
> When I open RAW
>> files from ACR they open in CS5 using ProPhoto. Once I have completed my
>> work on that particular image I have created an action which adds a
>> border, converts from 16-bit mode to 8-bit, and converts the color
>> profile from ProPhoto to sRGB, which is what I need for my Epson R2880
>> and display of any images I might share online, ending up with results
>> along these lines.
....and there is the image of which I wrote.
>> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_1726Gws.jpg >
<robert-m@northern-data-tech-llc.com> said:
> Savageduck wrote:
>> On 2011-11-21 14:57:40 -0800, Robert Montgomery
>> <robert-m@northern-data-tech-llc.com> said:
>>
>>> I recently learned that the Pro Photo color setting is better than the
>>> sRBGIEC61966-2.1 color setting that I've been using for most of my
>>> files, so I set up a new Pro Photo color setting.
>>>
>>> This has caused a problem: Every time I open a Photoshop image, a
>>> window first opens that asks if I want to use the embadded profile
>>> (sRGBIEC61966-2.1, or to convert the color setting to the working
>>> setting, which is Pro Photo.
>>>
>>> The window shows that the radio button is on the setting for the file
>>> being untagged, so I have to click on the button to choose the
>>> embedded profile.
>>>
>>> What can I do to avoid this annoyance, and still benefit from the
>>> wider gamut that Pro Photo will provide for my new pictures?
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> ProPhoto certainly gives you a wider gamut than Adobe RGB or sRGB.
>>
>> There are a few things one should consider when making that choice when
>> editing in Photoshop.
>> Most important consideration is going to be your output. Are you working
>> towards a print, or are you only going to have the resulting image
>> viewed on a display.
>
> Both.
OK! Though you should be able to print satisfactorily of your Epson
printers I qualify that by asking which Epson printers you are talking
about.
....and while all you need for file resolution for screen display is
72ppi, 240-300ppi is going to be preferred for printing. I seldom go to
72ppi if the file I am using is going to serve both purposes. If the
display file is going to be resized considerably smaller than the print
size I will consider changing to 72ppi from 300ppi and in sRGB, you
will not see the difference on a display.
So given my usual practice I have an image I worked on in ProPhoto RGB,
16-bit and ended up with a final print size of 21.28MB 4950x3353 @
300ppi in 16-Bit ProPhoto RGB usually save as a PSD. That lets me print
large on 19x13 paper, and if I want to I can obtain much larger
commercial prints. To save that as a JPEG I have to go to 8-Bit.
The JPEG file I produced for display viewing is about 260KB 867x1280
@300ppi in 8-Bit sRGB and quite simply open in a browser. That is the
image I shared in the post you responded to and can be found by
clicking on the link at the bottom of this lengthy missive.
>
> What have you done to ensure color matching the
>> work on your display to a standard output for display?
>
>
> I've calibrated my monitor.
Good!
>
> or matched with a
>> printer & paper profile.
>
> In File > Print > Printer, I've selected the applicable printer (I have
> two Epson inkjets.)
It would be good to know models.
>
> In File > Print > Print Settings, I've chosen Color Settings > Epson
> Color Controls, and
>
> In Print Setings > Media Type > I choose Watercolor Paper Radiant White
> for Lyve canvas or Enhanced Matte for Somerset Velvet paper, and
>
> In View > Proof Setup, I check Lyve canvas or Somerset Velvet paper, and
>
> in View > Proof Colors, I've put a check mare, and
>
> In View, Gamut Warning, I've put a check mark.
If you have done your work well, the gamut warning is only going to go
haywire if you set the Rendering Intent to "Absolute Colorimetric".
When making my final prints I rarely have the Match Print Colors &
Gamut Warning boxes checked.
....and there it is going to be a matter of whether you are using custom
paper/printer profiles for Photoshop to control, or if you are letting
the Epson driver handle things.
Since I am using Red River Papers, my current favorite being Polar
Pearl Metallic, I use their custom profiles for my R2880 and Manage
Colors.
I will usually have the Rendering Intent set to "Perceptual" and only
occasionally use "Relative Colorimetric"
>
>
>> For the most part any editing you do in ProPhoto colorspace will have to
>> be coverted to sRGB for consistent display or printing on most printers.
>> For some print work you might be required to use CMYK.
>
> I'm printing only on my two Epson inkjet printers.
Fine. That makes thing simple.
>
>> What you are experiencing is a conflict in the default colorspace you
>> have set and what the you are being queried on when making saves. If you
>> are confident with what you are actually doing, you should be able to
>> get rid if the annoying warnings and requests to make a choice.
>>
>> Go to Edit-->Color Settings
>>
>> This will open the Color Settings dialog.
>> In the center section "Color Management Policies" you will/should find
>> two option lines and three "check boxes".
>> 1: "Profiles Mismatches" with choices "Ask when opening" & "Ask when
>> pasting"
>> You can have any of these checked or unchecked.
>>
>> 2: "Missing Profiles" has one check box.
>>
>> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/ColorSettings.jpg >
>>
>> I have chosen to have all of the warnings disabled.
>
> Okay. I got that part.
>
> Thanks. Robert
> When I open RAW
>> files from ACR they open in CS5 using ProPhoto. Once I have completed my
>> work on that particular image I have created an action which adds a
>> border, converts from 16-bit mode to 8-bit, and converts the color
>> profile from ProPhoto to sRGB, which is what I need for my Epson R2880
>> and display of any images I might share online, ending up with results
>> along these lines.
....and there is the image of which I wrote.
>> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_1726Gws.jpg >
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Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> found these unused words:
>...and while all you need for file resolution for screen display is
>72ppi, 240-300ppi is going to be preferred for printing. I seldom go to
>72ppi if the file I am using is going to serve both purposes. If the
>display file is going to be resized considerably smaller than the print
>size I will consider changing to 72ppi from 300ppi and in sRGB, you
>will not see the difference on a display.
Horsepuckey!
The resolution setting in the image has NO, repeat -=NO=- affect upon the
screen.
All it cares about is PIXELS!
Some stupid programs try to read and 'size', but then that's the fault of
the user/programmer for misuseing the tag!
>...and while all you need for file resolution for screen display is
>72ppi, 240-300ppi is going to be preferred for printing. I seldom go to
>72ppi if the file I am using is going to serve both purposes. If the
>display file is going to be resized considerably smaller than the print
>size I will consider changing to 72ppi from 300ppi and in sRGB, you
>will not see the difference on a display.
Horsepuckey!
The resolution setting in the image has NO, repeat -=NO=- affect upon the
screen.
All it cares about is PIXELS!
Some stupid programs try to read and 'size', but then that's the fault of
the user/programmer for misuseing the tag!
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On 2011-12-01 10:35:22 -0800, Sir F. A. Rien <jaSPAMc@gbr.online.com> said:
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> found these unused words:
>
>
>> ...and while all you need for file resolution for screen display is
>> 72ppi, 240-300ppi is going to be preferred for printing. I seldom go to
>> 72ppi if the file I am using is going to serve both purposes. If the
>> display file is going to be resized considerably smaller than the print
>> size I will consider changing to 72ppi from 300ppi and in sRGB, you
>> will not see the difference on a display.
>
> Horsepuckey!
>
> The resolution setting in the image has NO, repeat -=NO=- affect upon the
> screen.
Agreed. ...and if you reread what I wrote, you should see that I said as much.
>
> All it cares about is PIXELS!
>
> Some stupid programs try to read and 'size', but then that's the fault of
> the user/programmer for misuseing the tag!
Always.
> Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> found these unused words:
>
>
>> ...and while all you need for file resolution for screen display is
>> 72ppi, 240-300ppi is going to be preferred for printing. I seldom go to
>> 72ppi if the file I am using is going to serve both purposes. If the
>> display file is going to be resized considerably smaller than the print
>> size I will consider changing to 72ppi from 300ppi and in sRGB, you
>> will not see the difference on a display.
>
> Horsepuckey!
>
> The resolution setting in the image has NO, repeat -=NO=- affect upon the
> screen.
Agreed. ...and if you reread what I wrote, you should see that I said as much.
>
> All it cares about is PIXELS!
>
> Some stupid programs try to read and 'size', but then that's the fault of
> the user/programmer for misuseing the tag!
Always.
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Savageduck wrote:
> On 2011-11-30 22:04:13 -0800, Robert Montgomery
> <robert-m@northern-data-tech-llc.com> said:
>
>> Savageduck wrote:
>>> On 2011-11-21 14:57:40 -0800, Robert Montgomery
>>> <robert-m@northern-data-tech-llc.com> said:
>>>
>>>> I recently learned that the Pro Photo color setting is better than the
>>>> sRBGIEC61966-2.1 color setting that I've been using for most of my
>>>> files, so I set up a new Pro Photo color setting.
>>>>
>>>> This has caused a problem: Every time I open a Photoshop image, a
>>>> window first opens that asks if I want to use the embadded profile
>>>> (sRGBIEC61966-2.1, or to convert the color setting to the working
>>>> setting, which is Pro Photo.
>>>>
>>>> The window shows that the radio button is on the setting for the file
>>>> being untagged, so I have to click on the button to choose the
>>>> embedded profile.
>>>>
>>>> What can I do to avoid this annoyance, and still benefit from the
>>>> wider gamut that Pro Photo will provide for my new pictures?
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> ProPhoto certainly gives you a wider gamut than Adobe RGB or sRGB.
>>>
>>> There are a few things one should consider when making that choice when
>>> editing in Photoshop.
>>> Most important consideration is going to be your output. Are you working
>>> towards a print, or are you only going to have the resulting image
>>> viewed on a display.
>>
>> Both.
>
> OK! Though you should be able to print satisfactorily of your Epson
> printers I qualify that by asking which Epson printers you are talking
> about.
I'm printing with my Epson Stylus Pro 7600 and Epson Stylus Pro 2400.
> ...and while all you need for file resolution for screen display is
> 72ppi, 240-300ppi is going to be preferred for printing. I seldom go to
> 72ppi if the file I am using is going to serve both purposes. If the
> display file is going to be resized considerably smaller than the print
> size I will consider changing to 72ppi from 300ppi and in sRGB, you will
> not see the difference on a display.
>
> So given my usual practice I have an image I worked on in ProPhoto RGB,
> 16-bit and ended up with a final print size of 21.28MB 4950x3353 @
> 300ppi in 16-Bit ProPhoto RGB usually save as a PSD. That lets me print
> large on 19x13 paper, and if I want to I can obtain much larger
> commercial prints. To save that as a JPEG I have to go to 8-Bit.
>
> The JPEG file I produced for display viewing is about 260KB 867x1280
> @300ppi in 8-Bit sRGB and quite simply open in a browser. That is the
> image I shared in the post you responded to and can be found by clicking
> on the link at the bottom of this lengthy missive.
>
>>
>> What have you done to ensure color matching the
>>> work on your display to a standard output for display?
>>
>>
>> I've calibrated my monitor.
>
> Good!
>>
>> or matched with a
>>> printer & paper profile.
>>
>> In File > Print > Printer, I've selected the applicable printer (I
>> have two Epson inkjets.)
>
> It would be good to know models.
Epson 7600 and 2400.
>> In File > Print > Print Settings, I've chosen Color Settings > Epson
>> Color Controls, and
>>
>> In Print Setings > Media Type > I choose Watercolor Paper Radiant
>> White for Lyve canvas or Enhanced Matte for Somerset Velvet paper, and
>>
>> In View > Proof Setup, I check Lyve canvas or Somerset Velvet paper, and
>>
>> in View > Proof Colors, I've put a check mark, and
>>
>> In View, Gamut Warning, I've put a check mark.
>
> If you have done your work well, the gamut warning is only going to go
> haywire if you set the Rendering Intent to "Absolute Colorimetric".
This is something that confuses me. In View > Proof Setup > Custom, with
Device to Simulate set to sRGBIEC6196602.1, for example, (or Pro Photo)
the default rendering intent is Relative Colorometric. But when I go to
File > Print > Rendering Intent is set to Perceptual. I assume that
Perceptual takes precedence, but I don't know.
>
> When making my final prints I rarely have the Match Print Colors & Gamut
> Warning boxes checked.
>
>
> ...and there it is going to be a matter of whether you are using custom
> paper/printer profiles for Photoshop to control, or if you are letting
> the Epson driver handle things.
In File > Print > Color Handling, i have set it to Printer Manages Color.
And in File > Print > Print Settings, I have set Color Matching to
Epson Color Controls.
>>> For the most part any editing you do in ProPhoto colorspace will have to
>>> be coverted to sRGB for consistent display or printing on most printers.
>>> For some print work you might be required to use CMYK.
>>
>> I'm printing only on my two Epson inkjet printers.
>
> Fine. That makes thing simple.
But I find that when I start with RAW files I can't apply filters to
them because they're in 16-bit mode. If I convert the files to eight-bit
mode, then the advantage of the wider gamut provided by ProPhoto is
lost, so It appears that Pro Photo is useless, because I rely those
filters to alter my pictures.
> ...and there is the image of which I wrote.
>
>>> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_1726Gws.jpg >
Nice picture of a nice plane!
Robert
> On 2011-11-30 22:04:13 -0800, Robert Montgomery
> <robert-m@northern-data-tech-llc.com> said:
>
>> Savageduck wrote:
>>> On 2011-11-21 14:57:40 -0800, Robert Montgomery
>>> <robert-m@northern-data-tech-llc.com> said:
>>>
>>>> I recently learned that the Pro Photo color setting is better than the
>>>> sRBGIEC61966-2.1 color setting that I've been using for most of my
>>>> files, so I set up a new Pro Photo color setting.
>>>>
>>>> This has caused a problem: Every time I open a Photoshop image, a
>>>> window first opens that asks if I want to use the embadded profile
>>>> (sRGBIEC61966-2.1, or to convert the color setting to the working
>>>> setting, which is Pro Photo.
>>>>
>>>> The window shows that the radio button is on the setting for the file
>>>> being untagged, so I have to click on the button to choose the
>>>> embedded profile.
>>>>
>>>> What can I do to avoid this annoyance, and still benefit from the
>>>> wider gamut that Pro Photo will provide for my new pictures?
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> ProPhoto certainly gives you a wider gamut than Adobe RGB or sRGB.
>>>
>>> There are a few things one should consider when making that choice when
>>> editing in Photoshop.
>>> Most important consideration is going to be your output. Are you working
>>> towards a print, or are you only going to have the resulting image
>>> viewed on a display.
>>
>> Both.
>
> OK! Though you should be able to print satisfactorily of your Epson
> printers I qualify that by asking which Epson printers you are talking
> about.
I'm printing with my Epson Stylus Pro 7600 and Epson Stylus Pro 2400.
> ...and while all you need for file resolution for screen display is
> 72ppi, 240-300ppi is going to be preferred for printing. I seldom go to
> 72ppi if the file I am using is going to serve both purposes. If the
> display file is going to be resized considerably smaller than the print
> size I will consider changing to 72ppi from 300ppi and in sRGB, you will
> not see the difference on a display.
>
> So given my usual practice I have an image I worked on in ProPhoto RGB,
> 16-bit and ended up with a final print size of 21.28MB 4950x3353 @
> 300ppi in 16-Bit ProPhoto RGB usually save as a PSD. That lets me print
> large on 19x13 paper, and if I want to I can obtain much larger
> commercial prints. To save that as a JPEG I have to go to 8-Bit.
>
> The JPEG file I produced for display viewing is about 260KB 867x1280
> @300ppi in 8-Bit sRGB and quite simply open in a browser. That is the
> image I shared in the post you responded to and can be found by clicking
> on the link at the bottom of this lengthy missive.
>
>>
>> What have you done to ensure color matching the
>>> work on your display to a standard output for display?
>>
>>
>> I've calibrated my monitor.
>
> Good!
>>
>> or matched with a
>>> printer & paper profile.
>>
>> In File > Print > Printer, I've selected the applicable printer (I
>> have two Epson inkjets.)
>
> It would be good to know models.
Epson 7600 and 2400.
>> In File > Print > Print Settings, I've chosen Color Settings > Epson
>> Color Controls, and
>>
>> In Print Setings > Media Type > I choose Watercolor Paper Radiant
>> White for Lyve canvas or Enhanced Matte for Somerset Velvet paper, and
>>
>> In View > Proof Setup, I check Lyve canvas or Somerset Velvet paper, and
>>
>> in View > Proof Colors, I've put a check mark, and
>>
>> In View, Gamut Warning, I've put a check mark.
>
> If you have done your work well, the gamut warning is only going to go
> haywire if you set the Rendering Intent to "Absolute Colorimetric".
This is something that confuses me. In View > Proof Setup > Custom, with
Device to Simulate set to sRGBIEC6196602.1, for example, (or Pro Photo)
the default rendering intent is Relative Colorometric. But when I go to
File > Print > Rendering Intent is set to Perceptual. I assume that
Perceptual takes precedence, but I don't know.
>
> When making my final prints I rarely have the Match Print Colors & Gamut
> Warning boxes checked.
>
>
> ...and there it is going to be a matter of whether you are using custom
> paper/printer profiles for Photoshop to control, or if you are letting
> the Epson driver handle things.
In File > Print > Color Handling, i have set it to Printer Manages Color.
And in File > Print > Print Settings, I have set Color Matching to
Epson Color Controls.
>>> For the most part any editing you do in ProPhoto colorspace will have to
>>> be coverted to sRGB for consistent display or printing on most printers.
>>> For some print work you might be required to use CMYK.
>>
>> I'm printing only on my two Epson inkjet printers.
>
> Fine. That makes thing simple.
But I find that when I start with RAW files I can't apply filters to
them because they're in 16-bit mode. If I convert the files to eight-bit
mode, then the advantage of the wider gamut provided by ProPhoto is
lost, so It appears that Pro Photo is useless, because I rely those
filters to alter my pictures.
> ...and there is the image of which I wrote.
>
>>> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_1726Gws.jpg >
Nice picture of a nice plane!
Robert
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On 2011-12-13 21:35:36 -0800, Robert Montgomery
<robert-m@northern-data-tech-llc.com> said:
> Savageduck wrote:
>> On 2011-11-30 22:04:13 -0800, Robert Montgomery
>> <robert-m@northern-data-tech-llc.com> said:
>>
>>> Savageduck wrote:
>>>> On 2011-11-21 14:57:40 -0800, Robert Montgomery
>>>> <robert-m@northern-data-tech-llc.com> said:
>>>>
>>>>> I recently learned that the Pro Photo color setting is better than the
>>>>> sRBGIEC61966-2.1 color setting that I've been using for most of my
>>>>> files, so I set up a new Pro Photo color setting.
>>>>>
>>>>> This has caused a problem: Every time I open a Photoshop image, a
>>>>> window first opens that asks if I want to use the embadded profile
>>>>> (sRGBIEC61966-2.1, or to convert the color setting to the working
>>>>> setting, which is Pro Photo.
>>>>>
>>>>> The window shows that the radio button is on the setting for the file
>>>>> being untagged, so I have to click on the button to choose the
>>>>> embedded profile.
>>>>>
>>>>> What can I do to avoid this annoyance, and still benefit from the
>>>>> wider gamut that Pro Photo will provide for my new pictures?
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> ProPhoto certainly gives you a wider gamut than Adobe RGB or sRGB.
>>>>
>>>> There are a few things one should consider when making that choice when
>>>> editing in Photoshop.
>>>> Most important consideration is going to be your output. Are you working
>>>> towards a print, or are you only going to have the resulting image
>>>> viewed on a display.
>>>
>>> Both.
>>
>> OK! Though you should be able to print satisfactorily of your Epson
>> printers I qualify that by asking which Epson printers you are talking
>> about.
>
> I'm printing with my Epson Stylus Pro 7600 and Epson Stylus Pro 2400.
I guess you intend to print BIG with that 7600!
Both are printers which should give you great results
You are aware that there are ink differences between those two printers
and you are probably going to get slightly dissimilar results with the
same print job on each.
>
>> ...and while all you need for file resolution for screen display is
>> 72ppi, 240-300ppi is going to be preferred for printing. I seldom go to
>> 72ppi if the file I am using is going to serve both purposes. If the
>> display file is going to be resized considerably smaller than the print
>> size I will consider changing to 72ppi from 300ppi and in sRGB, you will
>> not see the difference on a display.
>>
>> So given my usual practice I have an image I worked on in ProPhoto RGB,
>> 16-bit and ended up with a final print size of 21.28MB 4950x3353 @
>> 300ppi in 16-Bit ProPhoto RGB usually save as a PSD. That lets me print
>> large on 19x13 paper, and if I want to I can obtain much larger
>> commercial prints. To save that as a JPEG I have to go to 8-Bit.
>>
>> The JPEG file I produced for display viewing is about 260KB 867x1280
>> @300ppi in 8-Bit sRGB and quite simply open in a browser. That is the
>> image I shared in the post you responded to and can be found by clicking
>> on the link at the bottom of this lengthy missive.
>>
>>>
>>> What have you done to ensure color matching the
>>>> work on your display to a standard output for display?
>>>
>>>
>>> I've calibrated my monitor.
>>
>> Good!
>>>
>>> or matched with a
>>>> printer & paper profile.
>>>
>>> In File > Print > Printer, I've selected the applicable printer (I
>>> have two Epson inkjets.)
>>
>> It would be good to know models.
>
> Epson 7600 and 2400.
See my comment above.
>
>>> In File > Print > Print Settings, I've chosen Color Settings > Epson
>>> Color Controls, and
>>>
>>> In Print Setings > Media Type > I choose Watercolor Paper Radiant
>>> White for Lyve canvas or Enhanced Matte for Somerset Velvet paper, and
>>>
>>> In View > Proof Setup, I check Lyve canvas or Somerset Velvet paper, and
>>>
>>> in View > Proof Colors, I've put a check mark, and
>>>
>>> In View, Gamut Warning, I've put a check mark.
>>
>> If you have done your work well, the gamut warning is only going to go
>> haywire if you set the Rendering Intent to "Absolute Colorimetric".
>
> This is something that confuses me. In View > Proof Setup > Custom,
> with Device to Simulate set to sRGBIEC6196602.1, for example, (or Pro
> Photo) the default rendering intent is Relative Colorometric. But when
> I go to File > Print > Rendering Intent is set to Perceptual. I assume
> that Perceptual takes precedence, but I don't know.
Both "Perceptual" and "Relative" Colorimetric should give you
satisfactory results, however I find "Perceptual" a little more
forgiving and in most cases gives me my best results.
"Relative" will shift to the nearest output value for the destination
color space when out of gamut. This is useful when there are color
space differences between source and destination., but sometimes the
results can make you wince.
"Absolute" has yet to find itself into my regular print work flow, as I
have always found the results to be nasty. I could be, and probably am
wrong but that is my experience.
"Saturation" is really not appropriate for photograph reproduction,
unless you are trying something bizarre. Leave this for business
graphics.
>>
>> When making my final prints I rarely have the Match Print Colors & Gamut
>> Warning boxes checked.
>>
>>
>> ...and there it is going to be a matter of whether you are using custom
>> paper/printer profiles for Photoshop to control, or if you are letting
>> the Epson driver handle things.
>
> In File > Print > Color Handling, i have set it to Printer Manages Color.
>
> And in File > Print > Print Settings, I have set Color Matching to
> Epson Color Controls.
Why would you have the printer control color matching if you are using
PS profiles, and you have done all your work in PS with your calibrated
display, only to have the printer undo what you were trying to get
right?
I always have Photoshop manage colors.
>
>
>>>> For the most part any editing you do in ProPhoto colorspace will have to
>>>> be coverted to sRGB for consistent display or printing on most printers.
>>>> For some print work you might be required to use CMYK.
>>>
>>> I'm printing only on my two Epson inkjet printers.
>>
>> Fine. That makes thing simple.
>
> But I find that when I start with RAW files I can't apply filters to
> them because they're in 16-bit mode. If I convert the files to
> eight-bit mode, then the advantage of the wider gamut provided by
> ProPhoto is lost, so It appears that Pro Photo is useless, because I
> rely those filters to alter my pictures.
Then the time might have come to invest in some third party filters
which will work in 16-bit, or make the compromise to work in 8-bit
Adobe RGB/sRGB. I think you will find that the wider gamut is not that
significant an advantage.
....and can you actually tell the differences between the 16-bit
ProPhoto and the 8-bit RGB/sRGB for what you intend. Remember there is
nothing stopping you from moving back to 16-bit mode and ProPhoto once
you have completed your 8-bit work.
Personally I think you are chasing a concept of "something better"
which is not going to give you the "superior" results you anticipate by
the using the wider gamut.
Just my 2ยข.
>
>> ...and there is the image of which I wrote.
>>
>>>> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_1726Gws.jpg >
>
> Nice picture of a nice plane!
>
> Robert
--
Regards,
Savageduck
<robert-m@northern-data-tech-llc.com> said:
> Savageduck wrote:
>> On 2011-11-30 22:04:13 -0800, Robert Montgomery
>> <robert-m@northern-data-tech-llc.com> said:
>>
>>> Savageduck wrote:
>>>> On 2011-11-21 14:57:40 -0800, Robert Montgomery
>>>> <robert-m@northern-data-tech-llc.com> said:
>>>>
>>>>> I recently learned that the Pro Photo color setting is better than the
>>>>> sRBGIEC61966-2.1 color setting that I've been using for most of my
>>>>> files, so I set up a new Pro Photo color setting.
>>>>>
>>>>> This has caused a problem: Every time I open a Photoshop image, a
>>>>> window first opens that asks if I want to use the embadded profile
>>>>> (sRGBIEC61966-2.1, or to convert the color setting to the working
>>>>> setting, which is Pro Photo.
>>>>>
>>>>> The window shows that the radio button is on the setting for the file
>>>>> being untagged, so I have to click on the button to choose the
>>>>> embedded profile.
>>>>>
>>>>> What can I do to avoid this annoyance, and still benefit from the
>>>>> wider gamut that Pro Photo will provide for my new pictures?
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>> ProPhoto certainly gives you a wider gamut than Adobe RGB or sRGB.
>>>>
>>>> There are a few things one should consider when making that choice when
>>>> editing in Photoshop.
>>>> Most important consideration is going to be your output. Are you working
>>>> towards a print, or are you only going to have the resulting image
>>>> viewed on a display.
>>>
>>> Both.
>>
>> OK! Though you should be able to print satisfactorily of your Epson
>> printers I qualify that by asking which Epson printers you are talking
>> about.
>
> I'm printing with my Epson Stylus Pro 7600 and Epson Stylus Pro 2400.
I guess you intend to print BIG with that 7600!
Both are printers which should give you great results
You are aware that there are ink differences between those two printers
and you are probably going to get slightly dissimilar results with the
same print job on each.
>
>> ...and while all you need for file resolution for screen display is
>> 72ppi, 240-300ppi is going to be preferred for printing. I seldom go to
>> 72ppi if the file I am using is going to serve both purposes. If the
>> display file is going to be resized considerably smaller than the print
>> size I will consider changing to 72ppi from 300ppi and in sRGB, you will
>> not see the difference on a display.
>>
>> So given my usual practice I have an image I worked on in ProPhoto RGB,
>> 16-bit and ended up with a final print size of 21.28MB 4950x3353 @
>> 300ppi in 16-Bit ProPhoto RGB usually save as a PSD. That lets me print
>> large on 19x13 paper, and if I want to I can obtain much larger
>> commercial prints. To save that as a JPEG I have to go to 8-Bit.
>>
>> The JPEG file I produced for display viewing is about 260KB 867x1280
>> @300ppi in 8-Bit sRGB and quite simply open in a browser. That is the
>> image I shared in the post you responded to and can be found by clicking
>> on the link at the bottom of this lengthy missive.
>>
>>>
>>> What have you done to ensure color matching the
>>>> work on your display to a standard output for display?
>>>
>>>
>>> I've calibrated my monitor.
>>
>> Good!
>>>
>>> or matched with a
>>>> printer & paper profile.
>>>
>>> In File > Print > Printer, I've selected the applicable printer (I
>>> have two Epson inkjets.)
>>
>> It would be good to know models.
>
> Epson 7600 and 2400.
See my comment above.
>
>>> In File > Print > Print Settings, I've chosen Color Settings > Epson
>>> Color Controls, and
>>>
>>> In Print Setings > Media Type > I choose Watercolor Paper Radiant
>>> White for Lyve canvas or Enhanced Matte for Somerset Velvet paper, and
>>>
>>> In View > Proof Setup, I check Lyve canvas or Somerset Velvet paper, and
>>>
>>> in View > Proof Colors, I've put a check mark, and
>>>
>>> In View, Gamut Warning, I've put a check mark.
>>
>> If you have done your work well, the gamut warning is only going to go
>> haywire if you set the Rendering Intent to "Absolute Colorimetric".
>
> This is something that confuses me. In View > Proof Setup > Custom,
> with Device to Simulate set to sRGBIEC6196602.1, for example, (or Pro
> Photo) the default rendering intent is Relative Colorometric. But when
> I go to File > Print > Rendering Intent is set to Perceptual. I assume
> that Perceptual takes precedence, but I don't know.
Both "Perceptual" and "Relative" Colorimetric should give you
satisfactory results, however I find "Perceptual" a little more
forgiving and in most cases gives me my best results.
"Relative" will shift to the nearest output value for the destination
color space when out of gamut. This is useful when there are color
space differences between source and destination., but sometimes the
results can make you wince.
"Absolute" has yet to find itself into my regular print work flow, as I
have always found the results to be nasty. I could be, and probably am
wrong but that is my experience.
"Saturation" is really not appropriate for photograph reproduction,
unless you are trying something bizarre. Leave this for business
graphics.
>>
>> When making my final prints I rarely have the Match Print Colors & Gamut
>> Warning boxes checked.
>>
>>
>> ...and there it is going to be a matter of whether you are using custom
>> paper/printer profiles for Photoshop to control, or if you are letting
>> the Epson driver handle things.
>
> In File > Print > Color Handling, i have set it to Printer Manages Color.
>
> And in File > Print > Print Settings, I have set Color Matching to
> Epson Color Controls.
Why would you have the printer control color matching if you are using
PS profiles, and you have done all your work in PS with your calibrated
display, only to have the printer undo what you were trying to get
right?
I always have Photoshop manage colors.
>
>
>>>> For the most part any editing you do in ProPhoto colorspace will have to
>>>> be coverted to sRGB for consistent display or printing on most printers.
>>>> For some print work you might be required to use CMYK.
>>>
>>> I'm printing only on my two Epson inkjet printers.
>>
>> Fine. That makes thing simple.
>
> But I find that when I start with RAW files I can't apply filters to
> them because they're in 16-bit mode. If I convert the files to
> eight-bit mode, then the advantage of the wider gamut provided by
> ProPhoto is lost, so It appears that Pro Photo is useless, because I
> rely those filters to alter my pictures.
Then the time might have come to invest in some third party filters
which will work in 16-bit, or make the compromise to work in 8-bit
Adobe RGB/sRGB. I think you will find that the wider gamut is not that
significant an advantage.
....and can you actually tell the differences between the 16-bit
ProPhoto and the 8-bit RGB/sRGB for what you intend. Remember there is
nothing stopping you from moving back to 16-bit mode and ProPhoto once
you have completed your 8-bit work.
Personally I think you are chasing a concept of "something better"
which is not going to give you the "superior" results you anticipate by
the using the wider gamut.
Just my 2ยข.
>
>> ...and there is the image of which I wrote.
>>
>>>> < http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/DSC_1726Gws.jpg >
>
> Nice picture of a nice plane!
>
> Robert
--
Regards,
Savageduck
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