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donest
Dec 30, 2011
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Since our upgrades, I have noticed that if I create a new file and, say, paste something into it, merge all the layers, and save as a jpg, the tab at the top of the document does not update to the new name that I saved it as. In the 32 bit version this behaves like it always has (using the 64 bit version), and updates the tab of the still open document. Then, when I close that (untitled) document, it asks if I want to save the changes, (I haven’t made any changes since saving and naming). Also, if I open a document from 2 months ago, make changes and either save as a new document, or overwrite the old one, then go to "file>open" when viewing the details, BOTH files have the same, old date. If I use Windows Explorer to look at the files, the dates are correct, but in PhotoShop, there is only the one date for both old and new file. Not sure if this stays the same when I close PhotoShop and then open it again. Even if I open a document, print the document, and then try to close it, it asks if I want to save the changes! I didn’t make any changes!

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nomail
Dec 30, 2011
donest wrote:
Even if I open a document, print the document, and then try to close it, it asks if I want to save the changes! I didn’t make any changes!

Yes, you did. You changed the printer settings and these are saved inside the document.


Johan W. Elzenga, Editor/Photographer, www.johanfoto.com
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nomail
Dec 30, 2011
donest wrote:
Since our upgrades, I have noticed that if I create a new file and, say, paste something into it, merge all the layers, and save as a jpg, the tab at the top of the document does not update to the new name that I saved it as. In the 32 bit version this behaves like it always has (using the 64 bit version), and updates the tab of the still open document. Then, when I close that (untitled) document, it asks if I want to save the changes, (I haven’t made any changes since saving and naming).

Sounds like you are working with a 16 bits/color file. JPEG does not support 16 bits per color, so Photoshop saves an 8 bits/color copy as JPEG and leaves the 16 bits/color file open as unsaved original.


Johan W. Elzenga, Editor/Photographer, www.johanfoto.com
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Savageduck
Dec 30, 2011
On 2011-12-30 07:48:44 -0800, donest said:

Since our upgrades, I have noticed that if I create a new file and, say, pa ste something into it, merge all the layers, and save as a jpg, the tab at the top of the document does not update to the new name that I saved it as.

That is strange. I am using CS5, not CS5 extended (I don’t need the 3D), so I couldn’t say if that is a quirk of the extend version or not. I am assuming that you made the change to 8-bit mode to save the jpeg, because if you are working in 16-bit mode without changing you will only be able to save a copy.

In the 32 bit version this behaves like it always has (using the 64 bit ve rsion), and updates the tab of the still open document. Then, when I close that (untitled) document, it asks if I want to save the changes, (I haven’t made any changes since saving and naming).

Now you are saying something that needs clarification. You said when you close an "untitled document", that it CS5, asks if you want to save the changes and that you haven’t made any changes since saving (I am assuming that was "saving as") and naming. That tells me that this should not be an "untitled document".

Also, if I open a document from
2 months ago, make changes and either save as a new document, or overwrite the old one, then go to "file>open" when viewing the details, BOTH files h ave the same, old date. If I use Windows Explorer to look at the files, the dates are correct, but in PhotoShop, there is only the one date for both o ld and new file. Not sure if this stays the same when I close PhotoShop and then open it again. Even if I open a document, print the document, and the n try to close it, it asks if I want to save the changes! I didn’t make any changes!

In this example there should be two dates in the file information, CS5 "creation date" and "modification date". With a photograph the "creation" date should be the capture date and time taken from the EXIF data.

If you resize the "new" file after reopening it 2 months after "creating" and then just "save" not "save as", you should see two different dates in the file info.

The same applies to printing, so you did actually make some changes there. If you made no attempt to print the file when you created it 2 months earlier, no information regarding print preferences, or printer were added to the file info. Once you have done that, you have effectively made a change to the file and when you close it CS5 will ask if you want to save those changes related to the printer preferences and printer. If you "save" at that point, those settings will be imbedded so repeat prints can be made with the same settings. If you don’t particularly care, then just skip the "save changes" and move on. This is not a major issue.

Also the "saved changes" file should show the two different dates in the file info.

Now we come to file information created and retained by various operating systems goes. In my case I am working with a Mac, so I am not sure how this differs with Windows. On my Macs, the OS file information might show three different dates; the capture date from the EXIF, the "creation date" when that JPEG was first created from a "Save as" operation, and the "modification date" recording the latest date of a "resave".

So for one of my images this is what I might find for a shot captured on 9/10/2011, worked on from RAW and saved as a JPEG on 11/13/2011, and resized and "resaved" today.
First the info data from CS5:
< http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Madonnari-Fileinfo.jpg > Then the three different dates shown on my Mac:
< http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/Macfile-info.jpg >

If all else fail check with Adobe support.


Regards,

Savageduck
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donest
Jan 4, 2012
I think you may have hit on something when you noted a difference between 8 bit and 16 bit. Mostly I work in gray scale, but may have changed form 8 bit to 16 as an experiment. I have short cut keys configured for a "new document" and also for printing. I hit the short cut for new document, create some work on that document, and "save as", giving it a file name. After save as, if I hit my short cut for printing, and then try to save, it asks if I want to save "the changes". STILL no one can explain why the new document tab at the top does not change to the saved file name. It’s a little scarey after spending a few hours on a document, saving, and then trying to close the document, because it always asks if I want to save the changes. This is WITHOUT nmaking any changes or even printing since "saving as" and naming..
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nomail
Jan 5, 2012
donest wrote:
I think you may have hit on something when you noted a difference between 8 bit and 16 bit. Mostly I work in gray scale, but may have changed form 8 bit to 16 as an experiment. I have short cut keys configured for a "new document" and also for printing. I hit the short cut for new document, create some work on that document, and "save as", giving it a file name. After save as, if I hit my short cut for printing, and then try to save, it asks if I want to save "the changes". STILL no one can explain why the new document tab at the top does not change to the saved file name. It’s a little scarey after spending a few hours on a document, saving, and then trying to close the document, because it always asks if I want to save the changes. This is WITHOUT nmaking any changes or even printing since "saving as" and naming.

I already explaned that. If you save a 16 bits/color document as JPEG, Photoshop CS5 will save an 8 bits/color COPY as JPEG. The 16 bits original is still unsaved, so still untitled. This is new in CS5. In CS4 and earlier you simply did not get JPEG as choice if you tried to save a 16 bits/color document.


Johan W. Elzenga, Editor/Photographer, www.johanfoto.com
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Savageduck
Jan 5, 2012
On 2012-01-05 06:51:26 -0800, Johan W. Elzenga said:

donest wrote:
I think you may have hit on something when you noted a difference between 8 bit and 16 bit. Mostly I work in gray scale, but may have changed form 8 bit to 16 as an experiment. I have short cut keys configured for a "new document" and also for printing. I hit the short cut for new document, create some work on that document, and "save as", giving it a file name. After save as, if I hit my short cut for printing, and then try to save, it asks if I want to save "the changes". STILL no one can explain why the new document tab at the top does not change to the saved file name. It’s a little scarey after spending a few hours on a document, saving, and then trying to close the document, because it always asks if I want to save the changes. This is WITHOUT nmaking any changes or even printing since "saving as" and naming.

I already explaned that. If you save a 16 bits/color document as JPEG, Photoshop CS5 will save an 8 bits/color COPY as JPEG. The 16 bits original is still unsaved, so still untitled. This is new in CS5. In CS4 and earlier you simply did not get JPEG as choice if you tried to save a 16 bits/color document.

Yup!
….and it states that warning in the save dialog.


Regards,

Savageduck

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