Gradient Blur?

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Alison
Jul 17, 2004
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I would like to know if there is a plug-in to Photoshop for a blur that is effected by a gradient (or values of gray from another layer or image file) much like the gradient blur in After Effects?

-Alison

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TD
The Doormouse
Jul 17, 2004
Alison wrote:

I would like to know if there is a plug-in to Photoshop for a blur that is effected by a gradient (or values of gray from another layer or image file) much like the gradient blur in After Effects?

You just need to discover layers and masking, plus the wonder of internet tutorials.

The Doormouse


The Doormouse cannot be reached by e-mail without her permission.
T
toby
Jul 17, 2004
The Doormouse …
Alison wrote:

I would like to know if there is a plug-in to Photoshop for a blur that is effected by a gradient (or values of gray from another layer or image file) much like the gradient blur in After Effects?

The short answer is, Photoshop CS’ Lens Blur can do it (some versions of KPT may also). There is no simple way to get the correct result with e.g. Photoshop’s Gaussian Blur.

You just need to discover layers and masking, plus the wonder of internet tutorials.

There is a difference between
1) mixing a blurred and an unblurred image (trivial with layers), and
2) continuously varying the blur amount across an image (difficult to
do without a special purpose tool).

The Doormouse

–T
A
Alison
Jul 17, 2004
The Doormouse wrote:
Alison wrote:

I would like to know if there is a plug-in to Photoshop for a blur that is effected by a gradient (or values of gray from another layer or image file) much like the gradient blur in After Effects?

You just need to discover layers and masking, plus the wonder of internet tutorials.

The Doormouse

Thank you, but I have worked as a graphic artist for 6 years and I have taught Photoshop technique. I am simply looking for an easier way of effecting a blur with a gradient. It is just two clicks to do what I want in After Effects, and I would like to be able to do the same thing in Photoshop as well.

The way it works is this: the brighter the gradient gets the higher the blur radius; the only control to set is just how high the blur radius is at pure white.

I would like to know there is such a plug-in for Photoshop and where I might find it.
Thank you,
-Alison
A
Alison
Jul 17, 2004
Toby Thain wrote:

The short answer is, Photoshop CS’ Lens Blur can do it (some versions of KPT may also). There is no simple way to get the correct result with e.g. Photoshop’s Gaussian Blur.

So there is another reason why I should upgrage to CS!

You just need to discover layers and masking, plus the wonder of internet tutorials.

There is a difference between
1) mixing a blurred and an unblurred image (trivial with layers), and
2) continuously varying the blur amount across an image (difficult to
do without a special purpose tool).

You option number 2 is exactly what I want to be able to do! 🙂 -Alison
PW
Pjotr Wedersteers
Jul 17, 2004
Alison wrote:
I would like to know if there is a plug-in to Photoshop for a blur that is effected by a gradient (or values of gray from another layer or image file) much like the gradient blur in After Effects?
-Alison

What you are looking for is the use of a layer mask.
Add a layer mask to any (layer but the background in your) image by pressing the little icon that looks like a square with a small circle in the middle in the layers palette.
(Change a background layer to a regular one by double clicking on the thumbnail of that layer in the layers palette.)
Select the layer mask by clicking on its thumbnail in the palette. You can paint on the layer mask in grays. The idea of a layer mask is: the parts of the layer for which the corresponding pixels in the mask are white will show, the pixels who are black in the mask are hidden. 50% gray means 50% show…

So if you want to apply a gradient blur to an image you do this: Duplicate the original picture layer.
Add a layer mask to the topmost copy (the duplicate)
Add a gradient black to white to your layer mask (or paint yourself, use selections and fill these, whatever)
Where the layer mask is black the underlying original will show, the white bits will show…

If you want to actually see what you paint in white/black on the mask, Alt-click on the layer mask thumbnail. To go back to the layer itself just click the corresponding thumbnail in the layers palette once more. If you want to use another picture as the layer mask open the 2nd image, make sure the layermask is selected and pref visible in the first one and copy-paste the 2nd picture onto that layer. It will automatically become grayscaled…

In CS you can use the Lens blur filter too, a more automated approach. Still worth reading some good tutorials on the use of that first! HTH
Pjotr
TD
The Doormouse
Jul 17, 2004
Alison wrote:

I would like to know there is such a plug-in for Photoshop and where I might find it.

It would be trivial to create a similar one-click action for this effect.

Automation is a beautiful thing.

I am far too cheap and lazy to buy plugins when I can duplicate the effects for free …

The Doormouse


The Doormouse cannot be reached by e-mail without her permission.
K
Kleee
Jul 17, 2004
"The Doormouse" wrote in message
Alison wrote:

I would like to know there is such a plug-in for Photoshop and where I might find it.

It would be trivial to create a similar one-click action for this effect.

translation: for me anyway – ‘cus I’m brilliant – screw you!
Automation is a beautiful thing.

translation: bullshit is a beautiful thing.
I am far too cheap and lazy to buy plugins when I can duplicate the
effects
for free …

translation: I am far too arrogant and lazy to actually help anybody!
The Doormouse


The Doormouse cannot be reached by e-mail without her permission.
WO
Wizard of Draws
Jul 17, 2004
On 7/17/04 10:21 AM, in article iBaKc.77$,
"Kleee" wrote:

I would like to know there is such a plug-in for Photoshop and where I might find it.

It would be trivial to create a similar one-click action for this effect.

translation: for me anyway – ‘cus I’m brilliant – screw you!
Automation is a beautiful thing.

translation: bullshit is a beautiful thing.
I am far too cheap and lazy to buy plugins when I can duplicate the
effects
for free …

translation: I am far too arrogant and lazy to actually help anybody!
The Doormouse

The lazy part isn’t on the part of the The Doormouse. The original poster was asking for a plug-in to do something that is already within the capabilities of Photoshop. A little digging in the manual or short search on the internet would have turned it up.
It’s like asking your car salesman to sell or give you something that tells how fast you’re driving…

Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
www.wizardofdraws.com
www.cartoonclipart.com
K
Kleee
Jul 17, 2004
"Wizard of Draws" wrote in message
On 7/17/04 10:21 AM, in article iBaKc.77$,
"Kleee" wrote:

I would like to know there is such a plug-in for Photoshop and where I might find it.

It would be trivial to create a similar one-click action for this
effect.
translation: for me anyway – ‘cus I’m brilliant – screw you!
Automation is a beautiful thing.

translation: bullshit is a beautiful thing.
I am far too cheap and lazy to buy plugins when I can duplicate the
effects
for free …

translation: I am far too arrogant and lazy to actually help anybody!
The Doormouse

The lazy part isn’t on the part of the The Doormouse. The original poster was asking for a plug-in to do something that is already within the capabilities of Photoshop. A little digging in the manual or short search
on
the internet would have turned it up.
It’s like asking your car salesman to sell or give you something that
tells
how fast you’re driving…

Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
B
bagal
Jul 17, 2004
Forgive me Kleee – hang loose, be cool

The skills in being a trainer are very sophisticated. With something like PSCS it is a very complicated marriage between aspiration (what I want to do) with technology (what are the magic buttons?)

I am sure u know & appreciate this already

Artie

"Kleee" wrote in message
"Wizard of Draws" wrote in message
On 7/17/04 10:21 AM, in article iBaKc.77$,
"Kleee" wrote:

I would like to know there is such a plug-in for Photoshop and where
I
might find it.

It would be trivial to create a similar one-click action for this
effect.
translation: for me anyway – ‘cus I’m brilliant – screw you!
Automation is a beautiful thing.

translation: bullshit is a beautiful thing.
I am far too cheap and lazy to buy plugins when I can duplicate the
effects
for free …

translation: I am far too arrogant and lazy to actually help anybody!
The Doormouse

The lazy part isn’t on the part of the The Doormouse. The original
poster
was asking for a plug-in to do something that is already within the capabilities of Photoshop. A little digging in the manual or short
search
on
the internet would have turned it up.
It’s like asking your car salesman to sell or give you something that
tells
how fast you’re driving…

Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
M
mxduffie
Jul 17, 2004
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:45:51 GMT, "Kleee" wrote:

For your information: The manual does NOT explain how to do this… have you read it lately?

And even it if did…some of us have lots of trouble with manuals. Generally, they are written for the person who doesn’t really need a manual. They aren’t written for the person who really doesn’t know how to do something. They aren’t written for those of us who have trouble understanding what they just read either. I’ve had that problem all my life. The manual is nothing but words, and that’s the way it comes across most of the time. When finally shown step by step how to do something, the manual usually comes around to making sense, but sometimes not. Call it what you want, poor reading skills, poor comprehension, whatever. The point it, reading the manual rarely works for some of us. Specific, step by step instruction usually does.

g1

Replace x in adr with c
WO
Wizard of Draws
Jul 17, 2004
On 7/17/04 11:45 AM, in article PQbKc.97$,
"Kleee" wrote:

For your information: The manual does NOT explain how to do this… have you read it lately?

Kleee

Sure have: page 111-112. Granted, it takes a bit of extrapolation to apply it to the request, but for a Photoshop teacher, it shouldn’t be a stretch.

Most things in Photoshop can be easily accomplished if you simply are aware of how to make a selection. From that point on, it’s usually only a matter of how you choose to manipulate the selection.

I work with a few people that depend on me for instructions on how to do the most simple Photoshop or Illustrator tasks (repeatedly), instead of bothering to read the manual or simply experiment. It quickly becomes tiresome, as does their work, because they won’t ever explore the possibilities of the programs or their own creativity.

Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
www.wizardofdraws.com
www.cartoonclipart.com
L
lkrz
Jul 17, 2004
You option number 2 is exactly what I want to be able to do! 🙂 -Alison

Look at Andromeda’s plug ins, especially varifocus.
http://www.andromeda.com/

http://www.madmousergraphics.com
web design, print design, photography
C
cantexadian
Jul 17, 2004
"Pjotr Wedersteers" …
Alison wrote:
I would like to know if there is a plug-in to Photoshop for a blur that is effected by a gradient (or values of gray from another layer or image file) much like the gradient blur in After Effects?
-Alison
Then she wrote:
The way it works is this: the brighter the gradient gets the higher the blur radius; the only control to set is just how high the blur radius is at pure white.

I would like to know there is such a plug-in for Photoshop and where I might find it.
Thank you,
-Alison
Then most everyone else wrote:
What you are looking for is the use of a layer mask.

A mask might be a part of this technique, but what I read that Alison wants is; Not a Variable transparency of a Constant blur, but a Constant transparency of a Variable blur. The amount of Bluring based on a White to Black gradient(Higher Blur radius at White, Not more transparency).
Some mentioned that PSCS has this capability.
The only way I can think to do this in PS 7 is with luminence masks and multiple layers. Each layer would have a different blur radius and the luminance mask would determine how the layers would reveal. This would be done in Advanced Blending. Not a very simple method, but alas, I am only using PS7. Poor, poor me.
nikki

IT
Into The Void
Jul 17, 2004
in article , Alison at
wrote on 07/16/2004 8:26 PM:

I would like to know if there is a plug-in to Photoshop for a blur that is effected by a gradient (or values of gray from another layer or image file) much like the gradient blur in After Effects?

-Alison

Read the f-ing manual.
IT
Into The Void
Jul 17, 2004
in article iBaKc.77$
wrote on 07/17/2004 7:21 AM:

I am far too arrogant and lazy…

Seems like a projection of your own personality.
K
Kleee
Jul 17, 2004
Cool is my middle name :o) – hence the considered and patient reply to the Wiazard.

Kleee

"Arte Phacting" wrote in message
Forgive me Kleee – hang loose, be cool

The skills in being a trainer are very sophisticated. With something like PSCS it is a very complicated marriage between aspiration (what I want to do) with technology (what are the magic buttons?)

I am sure u know & appreciate this already

Artie

"Kleee" wrote in message
"Wizard of Draws" wrote in message
On 7/17/04 10:21 AM, in article iBaKc.77$,
"Kleee" wrote:

I would like to know there is such a plug-in for Photoshop and
where
I
might find it.

It would be trivial to create a similar one-click action for this
effect.
translation: for me anyway – ‘cus I’m brilliant – screw you!
Automation is a beautiful thing.

translation: bullshit is a beautiful thing.
I am far too cheap and lazy to buy plugins when I can duplicate the
effects
for free …

translation: I am far too arrogant and lazy to actually help
anybody!
The Doormouse

The lazy part isn’t on the part of the The Doormouse. The original
poster
was asking for a plug-in to do something that is already within the capabilities of Photoshop. A little digging in the manual or short
search
on
the internet would have turned it up.
It’s like asking your car salesman to sell or give you something that
tells
how fast you’re driving…

Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
IT
Into The Void
Jul 17, 2004
in article PQbKc.97$
wrote on 07/17/2004 8:45 AM:

That’s sort of the
purpose (or at least one of them) of this newsgroup!

That may be how you choose to use the newsgroup, but your choices are not universal.

It might even make you
(or Dormouse) feel all warm and useful!

So you need to go around trying to find pathetic people so you can feel useful?

Not much self worth in such acts, is there.

You really do have low self worth, if you have to go around finding people that are more pathetic than you so you then get to help them.

The manual does NOT explain how to do this… have you
read it lately?

No need to read it.
K
Kleee
Jul 17, 2004
"Wizard of Draws" wrote in message
On 7/17/04 11:45 AM, in article PQbKc.97$,
"Kleee" wrote:

For your information: The manual does NOT explain how to do this… have
you
read it lately?

Kleee

Sure have: page 111-112. Granted, it takes a bit of extrapolation to apply it to the request, but for a Photoshop teacher, it shouldn’t be a stretch.

For you and other seasoned users! Maybe for me (a relative beginner). I have worked through many tutorials and gained from advice, hints, tips from other users hundreds of times – why have I bothered when everything I know (still relatively little) could be ‘extrapolated’ from the manual? What are friends, colleagues, user groups, teachers, newsgroups for? I still can’t answer Alisons question (I must admit, I don’t fully understand it!?).

Most things in Photoshop can be easily accomplished if you simply are
aware
of how to make a selection. From that point on, it’s usually only a matter of how you choose to manipulate the selection.

I have found Photoshop to be anything but intuitive…

I work with a few people that depend on me for instructions on how to do
the
most simple Photoshop or Illustrator tasks (repeatedly), instead of bothering to read the manual or simply experiment. It quickly becomes tiresome, as does their work, because they won’t ever explore the possibilities of the programs or their own creativity.

It’s frustrating, but wheras you (I presume) and I are creative and will work to realise our visions – because we enjoy the act of ‘creation’ and get satisfaction from it – others have tasks to do and don’t want to spend ages working out how to do them. It’s not laziness. I have visited Excel/programming newsgroups a number of times to ask for help with Macros – I enjoy programming but sometimes just can’t work out the best way to do something – various people on these newsgroups are only too happy to offer advice, which they obviously enjoy giving and I appreciate recieving – so much of my valuable time has been saved. Everyone’s a winner! I have never, ever been told to read the manual or look for a tutorial on Google.

If I don’t want to help somebody – I will not post a reply – it’s really pathetic to just snear at honest (maybe naive) requests for help…

Kleee

Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
IT
Into The Void
Jul 17, 2004
in article YRgKc.750$
wrote on 07/17/2004 2:28 PM:

others have tasks to do and don’t want to spend ages
working out how to do them.

That is their choice. I don’t have to support their choices. I don’t have to supplement their lack of work to find the answers.

It’s not laziness.

It may not be lazy. But I don’t have to support whatever it is.

I have visited
Excel/programming newsgroups a number of times to ask for help with Macros – I enjoy programming but sometimes just can’t work out the best way to do something – various people on these newsgroups are only too happy to offer advice…

Not all newsgroups are the same, not all people are the same. What some group of people wish to do does not have any relevance to what I wish to do.

so
much of my valuable time has been saved.

Irrelevant.

I have
never, ever been told to read the manual or look for a tutorial on Google.

Maybe it is about time.

If I don’t want to help somebody – I will not post a reply …

Your choices are not relevant.

it’s really
pathetic to just snear at honest (maybe naive) requests for help…

Your value judgements are also not relevant.
IT
Into The Void
Jul 17, 2004
in article w5iKc.806$, voidhead at
wrote on 07/17/2004 3:53 PM:

mr predictable – it’s not in the manual shitbrain!

I don’t give a shit.
V
voidhead
Jul 17, 2004
mr predictable – it’s not in the manual shitbrain! read the fucking question!!!

"Voivod" wrote in message
in article , Alison at
wrote on 07/16/2004 8:26 PM:

I would like to know if there is a plug-in to Photoshop for a blur that is effected by a gradient (or values of gray from another layer or image file) much like the gradient blur in After Effects?

-Alison

Read the f-ing manual.
IT
Into The Void
Jul 17, 2004
in article nMiKc.122$, Arte Phacting at
wrote on 07/17/2004 4:38 PM:

Forgive me for asking Voivod – are you human?

Why, are you?
IT
Into The Void
Jul 17, 2004
in article NWiKc.836$
wrote on 07/17/2004 4:50 PM:

No-one is asking you to!

Just reminding you that your choices are not universal.

Not all newsgroups are the same, not all people are the same. What some group of people wish to do does not have any relevance to what I wish to do.

Big shock for you here – this isn’t about you!

When I write that it is about me, then it is.

so
much of my valuable time has been saved.

Irrelevant.

To you – not me!

Of course, to me. That is the only person that I have the ability to write for.

Unlike you, who thinks you write for some universal "everyone". Just try and keep this idea in mind… your ideas and your values are only important to you.

You just can’t comprehend this friendship thing can you?

You poor thing. Looking for friends in newsgroups.

Your choices are not relevant.

Of course they are…

Only to you.

sad people like yourself

Your value judgements are not relevant.
IT
Into The Void
Jul 17, 2004
in article ofjKc.847$
wrote on 07/17/2004 5:12 PM:

this post – irrelevant!

Then why did you post it?
B
bagal
Jul 17, 2004
Forgive me for asking Voivod – are you human?

Artie

ps – what views do you hold on peer group support?

A

"Voivod" wrote in message
in article w5iKc.806$, voidhead at
wrote on 07/17/2004 3:53 PM:

mr predictable – it’s not in the manual shitbrain!

I don’t give a shit.

TD
The Doormouse
Jul 17, 2004
(nikki) wrote:

The only way I can think to do this in PS 7 is with luminence masks and multiple layers.

Yah, that’s the idea … it should work 🙂

The Doormouse


The Doormouse cannot be reached by e-mail without her permission.
K
Kleee
Jul 17, 2004
"Voivod" wrote in message
in article YRgKc.750$
wrote on 07/17/2004 2:28 PM:

others have tasks to do and don’t want to spend ages
working out how to do them.

That is their choice. I don’t have to support their choices. I don’t
have
to supplement their lack of work to find the answers.

No-one is asking you to!

It’s not laziness.

It may not be lazy. But I don’t have to support whatever it is.

Ditto!

I have visited
Excel/programming newsgroups a number of times to ask for help with
Macros –
I enjoy programming but sometimes just can’t work out the best way to do something – various people on these newsgroups are only too happy to
offer
advice…

Not all newsgroups are the same, not all people are the same. What some group of people wish to do does not have any relevance to what I wish to
do.

Big shock for you here – this isn’t about you!

so
much of my valuable time has been saved.

Irrelevant.

To you – not me!

I have
never, ever been told to read the manual or look for a tutorial on
Google.
Maybe it is about time.

You just can’t comprehend this friendship thing can you?

If I don’t want to help somebody – I will not post a reply …

Your choices are not relevant.

Of course they are – it’s your negativity that is irrelevant

it’s really
pathetic to just snear at honest (maybe naive) requests for help…

Your value judgements are also not relevant.

to sad people like yourself
K
Kleee
Jul 17, 2004
I’m just guessing here – but his answer just might be; "that’s irrelevant."

:o)

"Arte Phacting" wrote in message
Forgive me for asking Voivod – are you human?

Artie

ps – what views do you hold on peer group support?

A

"Voivod" wrote in message
in article w5iKc.806$, voidhead at
wrote on 07/17/2004 3:53 PM:

mr predictable – it’s not in the manual shitbrain!

I don’t give a shit.

B
bagal
Jul 18, 2004
Hi – I remember reading somewhere that NG posters should never assume that all replies are from humans (?)

Artie

"kleee" wrote in message
I’m just guessing here – but his answer just might be; "that’s
irrelevant."
:o)

"Arte Phacting" wrote in message
Forgive me for asking Voivod – are you human?

Artie

ps – what views do you hold on peer group support?

A

"Voivod" wrote in message
in article w5iKc.806$, voidhead at
wrote on 07/17/2004 3:53 PM:

mr predictable – it’s not in the manual shitbrain!

I don’t give a shit.

B
bagal
Jul 18, 2004
how about the ps – what are your views on peer group support?

Artie

oops – yes, I believe so 🙂

"Voivod" wrote in message
in article nMiKc.122$, Arte Phacting at
wrote on 07/17/2004 4:38 PM:

Forgive me for asking Voivod – are you human?

Why, are you?

K
Kleee
Jul 18, 2004
this post – irrelevant!

"Voivod" wrote in message
in article NWiKc.836$
wrote on 07/17/2004 4:50 PM:

No-one is asking you to!

Just reminding you that your choices are not universal.

Not all newsgroups are the same, not all people are the same. What
some
group of people wish to do does not have any relevance to what I wish
to
do.

Big shock for you here – this isn’t about you!

When I write that it is about me, then it is.

so
much of my valuable time has been saved.

Irrelevant.

To you – not me!

Of course, to me. That is the only person that I have the ability to
write
for.

Unlike you, who thinks you write for some universal "everyone". Just try and keep this idea in mind… your ideas and your values are only
important
to you.

You just can’t comprehend this friendship thing can you?

You poor thing. Looking for friends in newsgroups.

Your choices are not relevant.

Of course they are…

Only to you.

sad people like yourself

Your value judgements are not relevant.

K
Kleee
Jul 18, 2004
that’s irrelevant!

"Voivod" wrote in message
in article ofjKc.847$
wrote on 07/17/2004 5:12 PM:

this post – irrelevant!

Then why did you post it?

WO
Wizard of Draws
Jul 18, 2004
On 7/17/04 5:28 PM, in article YRgKc.750$,
"Kleee" wrote:

Sure have: page 111-112. Granted, it takes a bit of extrapolation to apply it to the request, but for a Photoshop teacher, it shouldn’t be a stretch.

For you and other seasoned users! Maybe for me (a relative beginner). I have worked through many tutorials and gained from advice, hints, tips from other users hundreds of times – why have I bothered when everything I know (still relatively little) could be ‘extrapolated’ from the manual? What are friends, colleagues, user groups, teachers, newsgroups for? I still can’t answer Alisons question (I must admit, I don’t fully understand it!?).

Alison indicated that she instructed Photoshop to others. That seems to indicate that she is a ‘seasoned user’.

Most things in Photoshop can be easily accomplished if you simply are
aware
of how to make a selection. From that point on, it’s usually only a matter of how you choose to manipulate the selection.

I have found Photoshop to be anything but intuitive…

Agree 100%. However, it becomes much easier and less daunting after a few years of use and playing with the program.

I work with a few people that depend on me for instructions on how to do
the
most simple Photoshop or Illustrator tasks (repeatedly), instead of bothering to read the manual or simply experiment. It quickly becomes tiresome, as does their work, because they won’t ever explore the possibilities of the programs or their own creativity.

It’s frustrating, but wheras you (I presume) and I are creative and will work to realise our visions – because we enjoy the act of ‘creation’ and get satisfaction from it – others have tasks to do and don’t want to spend ages working out how to do them. It’s not laziness. I have visited Excel/programming newsgroups a number of times to ask for help with Macros – I enjoy programming but sometimes just can’t work out the best way to do something – various people on these newsgroups are only too happy to offer advice, which they obviously enjoy giving and I appreciate recieving – so much of my valuable time has been saved. Everyone’s a winner! I have never, ever been told to read the manual or look for a tutorial on Google.
If I don’t want to help somebody – I will not post a reply – it’s really pathetic to just snear at honest (maybe naive) requests for help…
Kleee

If an ‘artist’ doesn’t want to spend a lot of time working out how to use Photoshop by trail and error, reading and research, but instead rely on newsgroups for quick answers to their immediate project dilemma, then perhaps they should reconsider their career choice. As I said, the original poster professed to have more than a basic knowledge of Photoshop.

Probably 1/3 of my Photoshop knowledge has come from web tutorials, 1/3 from books (including the manual), and 1/3 from other artists I’ve worked with. A newsgroup just doesn’t come close to substituting for any of these if you need more than a tip or nudge in the right direction. Newsgroups may be perfect for trading Excel macros and I know the aviation newsgroups helped me tremendously while I was learning to fly, but with regard to Photoshop, I’ve found them best for pointing to tutorials on the web. —
Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
www.wizardofdraws.com
www.cartoonclipart.com
I
iehsmith
Jul 18, 2004
On 7/17/04 4:18 PM, LauraK uttered:

You option number 2 is exactly what I want to be able to do! 🙂 -Alison

Look at Andromeda’s plug ins, especially varifocus.
http://www.andromeda.com/

Very cool, Laura!
Now there’s a nice simple answer;)

inez
T
tacitr
Jul 18, 2004
I would like to know if there is a plug-in to Photoshop for a blur that is effected by a gradient (or values of gray from another layer or image file) much like the gradient blur in After Effects?

There is no plug-in for this, and none is needed. Photoshop can do this with the built-in tools.

There are two steps to doing this. First, you create a selection based on the gray values from part of the image or another image; then you run a Blur filter.

Creating the selection is done by loading an alpha channel, a luminosity mask, or an alpha channel or grayscale channel from another image. You can also do it across a gradient by entering QuickMask mode, creating a gradient, then exiting QuickMask mode.

Once you’ve done that, filter->blur->gaussian blur.


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T
toosano
Jul 18, 2004
Kleee, you’re having a dialog with the phony VOIDED.
He’s a voided wannabee.

"Kleee" wrote in message
Cool is my middle name :o) – hence the considered and patient reply to
the
Wiazard.

Kleee

"Arte Phacting" wrote in message
Forgive me Kleee – hang loose, be cool

The skills in being a trainer are very sophisticated. With something
like
PSCS it is a very complicated marriage between aspiration (what I want
to
do) with technology (what are the magic buttons?)

I am sure u know & appreciate this already

Artie

"Kleee" wrote in message
"Wizard of Draws" wrote in
message
On 7/17/04 10:21 AM, in article
iBaKc.77$,
"Kleee" wrote:

I would like to know there is such a plug-in for Photoshop and
where
I
might find it.

It would be trivial to create a similar one-click action for this
effect.
translation: for me anyway – ‘cus I’m brilliant – screw you!
Automation is a beautiful thing.

translation: bullshit is a beautiful thing.
I am far too cheap and lazy to buy plugins when I can duplicate
the
effects
for free …

translation: I am far too arrogant and lazy to actually help
anybody!
The Doormouse

The lazy part isn’t on the part of the The Doormouse. The original
poster
was asking for a plug-in to do something that is already within the capabilities of Photoshop. A little digging in the manual or short
search
on
the internet would have turned it up.
It’s like asking your car salesman to sell or give you something
that
tells
how fast you’re driving…

Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
T
toby
Jul 18, 2004
Wizard of Draws …
… The original poster
was asking for a plug-in to do something that is already within the capabilities of Photoshop.

Incorrect.

–T
A
Alison
Jul 18, 2004
Okay, so apparently I get labled as an "idiot" for asking this question about a gradient blur. Maybe I am an idiot for not mentioning this before but I am still using Photoship 7 as I have not yet been able to upgrade to CS. It has been increasingly apparent to me that the new CS versions of both Photoshop and Illustrator solve a lot of the problems that I have been encountering lately.

So now I would like to ask question for all the CS users out there: Does the brush tool in CS allow for a multicolored stroke? And I am not talking about the color jitter of Photoshop 7 but something more on the order of Painter’s brush stroke (where in a single "tap" of the brush there are two or more colors that will then streak along together with the stroke). I have read about many of the new features in Photoshop CS but I have seen no mention whether they improved the brushes from 7.

-Alison
V
Voivoid
Jul 18, 2004
Not to you.

in article wHjKc.636$
wrote on 07/17/2004 5:42 PM:

that’s irrelevant!

"Voivod" wrote in message
in article ofjKc.847$
wrote on 07/17/2004 5:12 PM:

this post – irrelevant!

Then why did you post it?

V
Voivoid
Jul 18, 2004
Just be aware that Toosano is a phony also.

in article , toosano at
wrote on 07/17/2004 8:04 PM:

Kleee, you’re having a dialog with the phony VOIDED.
He’s a voided wannabee.

"Kleee" wrote in message
Cool is my middle name :o) – hence the considered and patient reply to
the
Wiazard.

Kleee

"Arte Phacting" wrote in message
Forgive me Kleee – hang loose, be cool

The skills in being a trainer are very sophisticated. With something
like
PSCS it is a very complicated marriage between aspiration (what I want
to
do) with technology (what are the magic buttons?)

I am sure u know & appreciate this already

Artie

"Kleee" wrote in message
"Wizard of Draws" wrote in
message
On 7/17/04 10:21 AM, in article
iBaKc.77$,
"Kleee" wrote:

I would like to know there is such a plug-in for Photoshop and
where
I
might find it.

It would be trivial to create a similar one-click action for this
effect.
translation: for me anyway – ‘cus I’m brilliant – screw you!
Automation is a beautiful thing.

translation: bullshit is a beautiful thing.
I am far too cheap and lazy to buy plugins when I can duplicate
the
effects
for free …

translation: I am far too arrogant and lazy to actually help
anybody!
The Doormouse

The lazy part isn’t on the part of the The Doormouse. The original
poster
was asking for a plug-in to do something that is already within the capabilities of Photoshop. A little digging in the manual or short
search
on
the internet would have turned it up.
It’s like asking your car salesman to sell or give you something
that
tells
how fast you’re driving…

Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
www.wizardofdraws.com
www.cartoonclipart.com

And if I was that salesman I would sit the customer in the car and, in
a
friendly manner, point to the speedometer – offering any further
explanation
the customer requires… I do similar every day while teaching
various
software applications! Perhaps you think I should just sneer and tell
said
customer to read the bloody manual or consult Google for the
information!?
If you or Doormouse know that the requested feature is easily
available
in
Photoshop wouldn’t it be nice to point it out to Alison? That’s sort
of
the
purpose (or at least one of them) of this newsgroup! It might even
make
you
(or Dormouse) feel all warm and useful! :o)

But remember, Alison already knows how to do this, she is simply
asking
for
a ‘plug in’, or maybe some assistance in simplifying this task –
possibly
some help in creating this "one-click action" that Doormouse tells her
is
so
trivial (but can’t be bothered to explain).

For your information: The manual does NOT explain how to do this…
have
you
read it lately?

Kleee

TD
The Doormouse
Jul 18, 2004
Alison wrote:

I am still using Photoship 7 as I have not yet been able to upgrade to CS.

I am still using PS version 6, if that makes you feel any better! 🙂

I do have Illy CS and highly recommend the upgrade – it is whole worlds apart from Illy 9(or did I have version 7?).

The Doormouse


The Doormouse cannot be reached by e-mail without her permission.
F
Fox
Jul 18, 2004
Alison wrote:
The Doormouse wrote:
Alison wrote:

I would like to know if there is a plug-in to Photoshop for a blur that is effected by a gradient (or values of gray from another layer or image file) much like the gradient blur in After Effects?

You just need to discover layers and masking, plus the wonder of internet tutorials.

The Doormouse

Thank you, but I have worked as a graphic artist for 6 years and I have taught Photoshop technique. I am simply looking for an easier way of effecting a blur with a gradient. It is just two clicks to do what I want in After Effects, and I would like to be able to do the same thing in Photoshop as well.

The way it works is this: the brighter the gradient gets the higher the blur radius; the only control to set is just how high the blur radius is at pure white.

I would like to know there is such a plug-in for Photoshop and where I might find it.
Thank you,
-Alison

If the following or similar was posted by someone else, I apologize for the duplication — I didn’t read all the thread…

You can make an action in PS…
Start Record
click on a layer
duplicate layer
click on Actions palette menu (>) and select Insert Menu Item select Gaussian Blur (and set the blur you want– doesn’t matter — the action will always pause to get your input)
create a mask layer
select a gradient (black/white) and gradient type (radial for a lens blur) Use gradiant tool to apply gradient in the mask layer

Stop recording

[you can turn any action into an F-key equivalent in the New Action dialog]

Make sure you apply the gradient in the correct direction (the reverse checkbox). If you prefer to blur the "background" layer, the gradient should go in the reverse direction — I tried both types [blurref top/blurred back copies] and couldn’t tell the differance. If you’re always going to use the same amount of blur, skip the Insert Menu Item step and just apply the blur you want…the action will always use that amount.

As far as i can tell, the amount of blur "seems" to vary throughout the gradient [using the action above, the mask in the black regions will show through the "focused" regions and white the blurred version above it]. The effect, however, with a standard black->white gradient is "linear" in appearance. If you were to change the midpoint of the gradient, then the effect would appear more "lagarithmic" (or, at least, quadratic).

If you just want to end up with a "final" single layer, link and merge linked layers at the end of the action. the best way to accomplish this is start the recording by selecting layer properties and assigning the name: lens blur… then duplicate the layer [when you get the dialog box for the duplicate, change lens blur copy to lens blur final] then you can select which layers you need filter ops on and merging at the end will always use the "lens copy" layer to link to and merge (otherwise, you’ll get errors on subsequent blurring ops with differently named layers)…you’ll end up with a layer named lens blur final.

Hope this helps,

Fox
***************
K
Kleee
Jul 18, 2004
That’s OK – ‘cus I aint real either!!!!!

"Voivoid" wrote in message
Just be aware that Toosano is a phony also.

in article , toosano at
wrote on 07/17/2004 8:04 PM:

Kleee, you’re having a dialog with the phony VOIDED.
He’s a voided wannabee.

"Kleee" wrote in message
Cool is my middle name :o) – hence the considered and patient reply to
the
Wiazard.

Kleee

"Arte Phacting" wrote in message
Forgive me Kleee – hang loose, be cool

The skills in being a trainer are very sophisticated. With something
like
PSCS it is a very complicated marriage between aspiration (what I want
to
do) with technology (what are the magic buttons?)

I am sure u know & appreciate this already

Artie

"Kleee" wrote in message
"Wizard of Draws" wrote in
message
On 7/17/04 10:21 AM, in article
iBaKc.77$,
"Kleee" wrote:

I would like to know there is such a plug-in for Photoshop and
where
I
might find it.

It would be trivial to create a similar one-click action for this
effect.
translation: for me anyway – ‘cus I’m brilliant – screw you!
Automation is a beautiful thing.

translation: bullshit is a beautiful thing.
I am far too cheap and lazy to buy plugins when I can duplicate
the
effects
for free …

translation: I am far too arrogant and lazy to actually help
anybody!
The Doormouse

The lazy part isn’t on the part of the The Doormouse. The original
poster
was asking for a plug-in to do something that is already within the capabilities of Photoshop. A little digging in the manual or short
search
on
the internet would have turned it up.
It’s like asking your car salesman to sell or give you something
that
tells
how fast you’re driving…

Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
K
Kleee
Jul 18, 2004
You’re irrelevant – especially to me…

"Voivoid" wrote in message
Not to you.

in article wHjKc.636$
wrote on 07/17/2004 5:42 PM:

that’s irrelevant!

"Voivod" wrote in message
in article ofjKc.847$, kleee at

wrote on 07/17/2004 5:12 PM:

this post – irrelevant!

Then why did you post it?
K
Kleee
Jul 18, 2004
"Wizard of Draws" wrote in message
On 7/17/04 5:28 PM, in article YRgKc.750$,
"Kleee" wrote:

Sure have: page 111-112. Granted, it takes a bit of extrapolation to
apply
it to the request, but for a Photoshop teacher, it shouldn’t be a
stretch.
For you and other seasoned users! Maybe for me (a relative beginner).
I
have worked through many tutorials and gained from advice, hints, tips
from
other users hundreds of times – why have I bothered when everything I
know
(still relatively little) could be ‘extrapolated’ from the manual? What
are
friends, colleagues, user groups, teachers, newsgroups for? I still
can’t
answer Alisons question (I must admit, I don’t fully understand it!?).

Alison indicated that she instructed Photoshop to others. That seems to indicate that she is a ‘seasoned user’.

Most things in Photoshop can be easily accomplished if you simply are
aware
of how to make a selection. From that point on, it’s usually only a
matter
of how you choose to manipulate the selection.

I have found Photoshop to be anything but intuitive…

Agree 100%. However, it becomes much easier and less daunting after a few years of use and playing with the program.

I work with a few people that depend on me for instructions on how to
do
the
most simple Photoshop or Illustrator tasks (repeatedly), instead of bothering to read the manual or simply experiment. It quickly becomes tiresome, as does their work, because they won’t ever explore the possibilities of the programs or their own creativity.

It’s frustrating, but wheras you (I presume) and I are creative and will work to realise our visions – because we enjoy the act of ‘creation’ and
get
satisfaction from it – others have tasks to do and don’t want to spend
ages
working out how to do them. It’s not laziness. I have visited Excel/programming newsgroups a number of times to ask for help with
Macros –
I enjoy programming but sometimes just can’t work out the best way to do something – various people on these newsgroups are only too happy to
offer
advice, which they obviously enjoy giving and I appreciate recieving –
so
much of my valuable time has been saved. Everyone’s a winner! I have never, ever been told to read the manual or look for a tutorial on
Google.
If I don’t want to help somebody – I will not post a reply – it’s really pathetic to just snear at honest (maybe naive) requests for help…
Kleee

If an ‘artist’ doesn’t want to spend a lot of time working out how to use Photoshop by trail and error, reading and research, but instead rely on newsgroups for quick answers to their immediate project dilemma, then perhaps they should reconsider their career choice. As I said, the
original
poster professed to have more than a basic knowledge of Photoshop.
Probably 1/3 of my Photoshop knowledge has come from web tutorials, 1/3
from
books (including the manual), and 1/3 from other artists I’ve worked with.
A
newsgroup just doesn’t come close to substituting for any of these if you need more than a tip or nudge in the right direction. Newsgroups may be perfect for trading Excel macros and I know the aviation newsgroups helped me tremendously while I was learning to fly, but with regard to Photoshop, I’ve found them best for pointing to tutorials on the web.

If I have a deadline to produce something – I don’t want ‘working out how to do a mechanical task’ to detract from my creative time! It’s that simple! And I’m grateful to the people on various newsgroups (including the ‘other’ PS one!) for their help.

We’ll have to agree to differ…


Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
K
Kleee
Jul 18, 2004
Well – it depends who you believe in here – the so called experts say it can be done ("trivial task") – perhaps you should argue with them – I don’t know!

Kleee

"Toby Thain" wrote in message
Wizard of Draws wrote in message
news:<BD1EAE67.1776D%>…
… The original poster
was asking for a plug-in to do something that is already within the capabilities of Photoshop.

Incorrect.

–T
K
Kleee
Jul 18, 2004
Alison

You’re more likely to get sneers than helpful replies in here! Try: ‘comp.graphics.apps.photoshop’ – I haven’t come across any sad trolls in there…

Kleee

"Alison" wrote in message
Okay, so apparently I get labled as an "idiot" for asking this question about a gradient blur. Maybe I am an idiot for not mentioning this before but I am still using Photoship 7 as I have not yet been able to upgrade to CS. It has been increasingly apparent to me that the new CS versions of both Photoshop and Illustrator solve a lot of the problems that I have been encountering lately.

So now I would like to ask question for all the CS users out there: Does the brush tool in CS allow for a multicolored stroke? And I am not talking about the color jitter of Photoshop 7 but something more on the order of Painter’s brush stroke (where in a single "tap" of the brush there are two or more colors that will then streak along together with the stroke). I have read about many of the new features in Photoshop CS but I have seen no mention whether they improved the brushes from 7.
-Alison
V
Voivoid
Jul 18, 2004
in article jeuKc.114$
wrote on 07/18/2004 5:41 AM:

"Wizard of Draws" wrote in message
On 7/17/04 5:28 PM, in article YRgKc.750$,
"Kleee" wrote:

Sure have: page 111-112. Granted, it takes a bit of extrapolation to
apply
it to the request, but for a Photoshop teacher, it shouldn’t be a
stretch.
For you and other seasoned users! Maybe for me (a relative beginner).
I
have worked through many tutorials and gained from advice, hints, tips
from
other users hundreds of times – why have I bothered when everything I
know
(still relatively little) could be ‘extrapolated’ from the manual? What
are
friends, colleagues, user groups, teachers, newsgroups for? I still
can’t
answer Alisons question (I must admit, I don’t fully understand it!?).

Alison indicated that she instructed Photoshop to others. That seems to indicate that she is a ‘seasoned user’.

Most things in Photoshop can be easily accomplished if you simply are
aware
of how to make a selection. From that point on, it’s usually only a
matter
of how you choose to manipulate the selection.

I have found Photoshop to be anything but intuitive…

Agree 100%. However, it becomes much easier and less daunting after a few years of use and playing with the program.

I work with a few people that depend on me for instructions on how to
do
the
most simple Photoshop or Illustrator tasks (repeatedly), instead of bothering to read the manual or simply experiment. It quickly becomes tiresome, as does their work, because they won’t ever explore the possibilities of the programs or their own creativity.

It’s frustrating, but wheras you (I presume) and I are creative and will work to realise our visions – because we enjoy the act of ‘creation’ and
get
satisfaction from it – others have tasks to do and don’t want to spend
ages
working out how to do them. It’s not laziness. I have visited Excel/programming newsgroups a number of times to ask for help with
Macros –
I enjoy programming but sometimes just can’t work out the best way to do something – various people on these newsgroups are only too happy to
offer
advice, which they obviously enjoy giving and I appreciate recieving –
so
much of my valuable time has been saved. Everyone’s a winner! I have never, ever been told to read the manual or look for a tutorial on
Google.
If I don’t want to help somebody – I will not post a reply – it’s really pathetic to just snear at honest (maybe naive) requests for help…
Kleee

If an ‘artist’ doesn’t want to spend a lot of time working out how to use Photoshop by trail and error, reading and research, but instead rely on newsgroups for quick answers to their immediate project dilemma, then perhaps they should reconsider their career choice. As I said, the
original
poster professed to have more than a basic knowledge of Photoshop.
Probably 1/3 of my Photoshop knowledge has come from web tutorials, 1/3
from
books (including the manual), and 1/3 from other artists I’ve worked with.
A
newsgroup just doesn’t come close to substituting for any of these if you need more than a tip or nudge in the right direction. Newsgroups may be perfect for trading Excel macros and I know the aviation newsgroups helped me tremendously while I was learning to fly, but with regard to Photoshop, I’ve found them best for pointing to tutorials on the web.

If I have a deadline to produce something – I don’t want ‘working out how to do a mechanical task’ to detract from my creative time! It’s that simple! And I’m grateful to the people on various newsgroups (including the ‘other’ PS one!) for their help.

We’ll have to agree to differ…


Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
www.wizardofdraws.com
www.cartoonclipart.com

If you are going to go to the trouble of quoting something, at least take the time to clean it up so it is readable, such as the following text.

"Wizard of Draws" wrote in message
news:BD1F431E.17976% On 7/17/04 5:28 PM,
in article YRgKc.750$, "Kleee"
wrote:

Sure have: page 111-112. Granted, it takes a bit of extrapolation to apply it to the request, but for a Photoshop teacher, it shouldn’t be a stretch.
For you and other seasoned users! Maybe for me (a relative beginner). I have worked through many tutorials and gained from advice, hints, tips from other users hundreds of times – why have I bothered when everything I know (still relatively little) could be ‘extrapolated’ from the manual? What are friends, colleagues, user groups, teachers, newsgroups for? I still can’t answer Alisons question (I must admit, I don’t fully understand it!?).

Alison indicated that she instructed Photoshop to others. That seems to indicate that she is a ‘seasoned user’.

Most things in Photoshop can be easily accomplished if you simply are aware of how to make a selection. From that point on, it’s usually only a matter of how you choose to manipulate the selection.
I have found Photoshop to be anything but intuitive…

Agree 100%. However, it becomes much easier and less daunting after a few years of use and playing with the program.

I work with a few people that depend on me for instructions on how to do the most simple Photoshop or Illustrator tasks (repeatedly), instead of bothering to read the manual or simply experiment. It quickly becomes tiresome, as does their work, because they won’t ever explore the possibilities of the programs or their own creativity. —
It’s frustrating, but wheras you (I presume) and I are creative and will work to realise our visions – because we enjoy the act of ‘creation’ and get satisfaction from it – others have tasks to do and don’t want to spend ages working out how to do them. It’s not laziness. I have visited Excel/programming newsgroups a number of times to ask for help with Macros – I enjoy programming but sometimes just can’t work out the best way to do something – various people on these newsgroups are only too happy to offer advice, which they obviously enjoy giving and I appreciate recieving – so much of my valuable time has been saved. Everyone’s a winner! I have never, ever been told to read the manual or look for a tutorial on Google.
If I don’t want to help somebody – I will not post a reply – it’s really pathetic to just snear at honest (maybe naive) requests for help…
Kleee

If an ‘artist’ doesn’t want to spend a lot of time working out how to use Photoshop by trail and error, reading and research, but instead rely on newsgroups for quick answers to their immediate project dilemma, then perhaps they should reconsider their career choice. As I said, the original poster professed to have more than a basic knowledge of Photoshop.
Probably 1/3 of my Photoshop knowledge has come from web tutorials, 1/3 from books (including the manual), and 1/3 from other artists I’ve worked with. A newsgroup just doesn’t come close to substituting for any of these if you need more than a tip or nudge in the right direction. Newsgroups may be perfect for trading Excel macros and I know the aviation newsgroups helped me tremendously while I was learning to fly, but with regard to Photoshop, I’ve found them best for pointing to tutorials on the web.
If I have a deadline to produce something – I don’t want ‘working out how to do a mechanical task’ to detract from my creative time! It’s that simple! And I’m grateful to the people on various newsgroups (including the ‘other’ PS one!) for their help.

We’ll have to agree to differ…

— Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino Cartoons with a Touch of Magic www.wizardofdraws.com www.cartoonclipart.com

V
Voivoid
Jul 18, 2004
in article fguKc.115$
wrote on 07/18/2004 5:43 AM:

I don’t
know!

That is your perpetual condition.
V
Voivoid
Jul 18, 2004
in article jkuKc.117$
wrote on 07/18/2004 5:48 AM:

Alison

You’re more likely to get sneers than helpful replies in here! Try: ‘comp.graphics.apps.photoshop’ – I haven’t come across any sad trolls in there…

You’re a newbie, so your opinions don’t count.
V
Voivoid
Jul 18, 2004
You typed that it was your condition, not me. I have not seen you type that you have any other state of mind.

in article 7HwKc.160$
wrote on 07/18/2004 8:29 AM:

That’s your (irrelevant) opinion…

"Voivoid" wrote in message
in article fguKc.115$
wrote on 07/18/2004 5:43 AM:

I don’t
know!

That is your perpetual condition.

V
Voivoid
Jul 18, 2004
in article kGwKc.159$
wrote on 07/18/2004 8:28 AM:

Ha ha ha – like you just did – hypocrite…

That is because your newsreader tore up the text. The text was reformatted correctly, but your newsreader tore it up.

hahahahaha.
K
Kleee
Jul 18, 2004
Ha ha ha – like you just did – hypocrite…

Kleee

"Voivoid" wrote in message
in article jeuKc.114$
wrote on 07/18/2004 5:41 AM:

"Wizard of Draws" wrote in message
On 7/17/04 5:28 PM, in article YRgKc.750$,
"Kleee" wrote:

Sure have: page 111-112. Granted, it takes a bit of extrapolation to
apply
it to the request, but for a Photoshop teacher, it shouldn’t be a
stretch.
For you and other seasoned users! Maybe for me (a relative beginner).
I
have worked through many tutorials and gained from advice, hints, tips
from
other users hundreds of times – why have I bothered when everything I
know
(still relatively little) could be ‘extrapolated’ from the manual?
What
are
friends, colleagues, user groups, teachers, newsgroups for? I still
can’t
answer Alisons question (I must admit, I don’t fully understand it!?).

Alison indicated that she instructed Photoshop to others. That seems to indicate that she is a ‘seasoned user’.

Most things in Photoshop can be easily accomplished if you simply are
aware
of how to make a selection. From that point on, it’s usually only a
matter
of how you choose to manipulate the selection.

I have found Photoshop to be anything but intuitive…

Agree 100%. However, it becomes much easier and less daunting after a
few
years of use and playing with the program.

I work with a few people that depend on me for instructions on how to
do
the
most simple Photoshop or Illustrator tasks (repeatedly), instead of bothering to read the manual or simply experiment. It quickly becomes tiresome, as does their work, because they won’t ever explore the possibilities of the programs or their own creativity.

It’s frustrating, but wheras you (I presume) and I are creative and
will
work to realise our visions – because we enjoy the act of ‘creation’
and
get
satisfaction from it – others have tasks to do and don’t want to spend
ages
working out how to do them. It’s not laziness. I have visited Excel/programming newsgroups a number of times to ask for help with
Macros –
I enjoy programming but sometimes just can’t work out the best way to
do
something – various people on these newsgroups are only too happy to
offer
advice, which they obviously enjoy giving and I appreciate recieving –
so
much of my valuable time has been saved. Everyone’s a winner! I have never, ever been told to read the manual or look for a tutorial on
Google.
If I don’t want to help somebody – I will not post a reply – it’s
really
pathetic to just snear at honest (maybe naive) requests for help…
Kleee

If an ‘artist’ doesn’t want to spend a lot of time working out how to
use
Photoshop by trail and error, reading and research, but instead rely on newsgroups for quick answers to their immediate project dilemma, then perhaps they should reconsider their career choice. As I said, the
original
poster professed to have more than a basic knowledge of Photoshop.
Probably 1/3 of my Photoshop knowledge has come from web tutorials, 1/3
from
books (including the manual), and 1/3 from other artists I’ve worked
with.
A
newsgroup just doesn’t come close to substituting for any of these if
you
need more than a tip or nudge in the right direction. Newsgroups may be perfect for trading Excel macros and I know the aviation newsgroups
helped
me tremendously while I was learning to fly, but with regard to
Photoshop,
I’ve found them best for pointing to tutorials on the web.

If I have a deadline to produce something – I don’t want ‘working out
how to
do a mechanical task’ to detract from my creative time! It’s that
simple!
And I’m grateful to the people on various newsgroups (including the
‘other’
PS one!) for their help.

We’ll have to agree to differ…


Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
K
Kleee
Jul 18, 2004
That’s your (irrelevant) opinion…

"Voivoid" wrote in message
in article fguKc.115$
wrote on 07/18/2004 5:43 AM:

I don’t
know!

That is your perpetual condition.

K
Kleee
Jul 18, 2004
"Voivoid" wrote in message
in article jkuKc.117$
wrote on 07/18/2004 5:48 AM:

Alison

You’re more likely to get sneers than helpful replies in here! Try: ‘comp.graphics.apps.photoshop’ – I haven’t come across any sad trolls in there…

You’re a newbie, so your opinions don’t count.

This ‘newbie’ tag is so juvenile and pretentious – I have been using various newsgroups for many years…

Besides, what you think is irrelevant!

Kleee
K
Kleee
Jul 18, 2004
I haven’t got time to explain the English language to you…

You’re even thicker than the real Voivoid!

And even more irrelevant…

"Voivoid" wrote in message
You typed that it was your condition, not me. I have not seen you type
that
you have any other state of mind.

in article 7HwKc.160$
wrote on 07/18/2004 8:29 AM:

That’s your (irrelevant) opinion…

"Voivoid" wrote in message
in article fguKc.115$, kleee at

wrote on 07/18/2004 5:43 AM:

I don’t
know!

That is your perpetual condition.
K
Kleee
Jul 18, 2004
Is there anything sadder than a Voivod wanabe – I think not…

Kleee

"Voivoid" wrote in message
in article kGwKc.159$
wrote on 07/18/2004 8:28 AM:

Ha ha ha – like you just did – hypocrite…

That is because your newsreader tore up the text. The text was
reformatted
correctly, but your newsreader tore it up.

hahahahaha.

V
Voivoid
Jul 18, 2004
in article 2KwKc.162$
wrote on 07/18/2004 8:32 AM:

This ‘newbie’ tag is so juvenile and pretentious…

Hooked you right in the eye though… you can take the hook out now. I throw you back, newbie.

hahahaha.

I have been using various
newsgroups for many years…

Sure takes you a long time to learn how newsgroups work.
V
Voivoid
Jul 18, 2004
How about the guy that worries about it?

hahahaha.

in article %3xKc.167$
wrote on 07/18/2004 8:55 AM:

Is there anything sadder than a Voivod wanabe – I think not…
T
Tapani
Jul 18, 2004
Hey Kleee,
just ignore Voivoid, he won’t stop… I’d rather read anything else here but you two arguing.
Try marking his message as spam, that should shut him up (for you, that is).

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 10:04:15 -0700, Voivoid wrote:

How about the guy that worries about it?

hahahaha.

in article %3xKc.167$
wrote on 07/18/2004 8:55 AM:

Is there anything sadder than a Voivod wanabe – I think not…

Tapani

"Do the Right Thing. It will gratify some people and astound the rest." – Mark Twain
K
Kleee
Jul 18, 2004
Poor boy – I’m laughing at you not worrying!

Ha Ha Ha Hee Hee Hee

Kleee

"Voivoid" wrote in message
How about the guy that worries about it?

hahahaha.

in article %3xKc.167$
wrote on 07/18/2004 8:55 AM:

Is there anything sadder than a Voivod wanabe – I think not…
K
Kleee
Jul 18, 2004
"Voivoid" wrote in message
in article 2KwKc.162$
wrote on 07/18/2004 8:32 AM:

This ‘newbie’ tag is so juvenile and pretentious…

Hooked you right in the eye though…

Huh?

you can take the hook out now. I
throw you back, newbie.

I don’t know what fantasy world you inhabit… but dream on.

I have been using various
newsgroups for many years…

Sure takes you a long time to learn how newsgroups work.

They DON’T work with twats like you in them…

OK I am sooooooo bored with you – you are going on ignore…

Bye bye loser :o)
WO
Wizard of Draws
Jul 18, 2004
On 7/17/04 11:10 PM, in article
, "Toby Thain"
wrote:

Wizard of Draws wrote in message
news:<BD1EAE67.1776D%>…
… The original poster
was asking for a plug-in to do something that is already within the capabilities of Photoshop.

Incorrect.

–T

One poster has already demonstrated that it is. Perhaps you could address your rebuttal to him and show him where he is wrong.
Admittedly, it isn’t a one button operation (unless you make it an action), but it’s fairly straightforward, without the need for a third party plug-in.

I’ll say it again: most of Photoshop is merely learning how to make the selection you want, then working your selection to achieve the effect you want. If you learn all the ways to make selections, then you’ve learned most of what you need to be proficient in the program.

Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino
Cartoons with a Touch of Magic
www.wizardofdraws.com
www.cartoonclipart.com
A
Alison
Jul 18, 2004
kleee wrote:

Alison

You’re more likely to get sneers than helpful replies in here! Try: ‘comp.graphics.apps.photoshop’ – I haven’t come across any sad trolls in there…

Kleee

Honestly, I am surprised by the response here, I rarely look at either of the Photoshop newsgroups because they get so many posts, and I am more accustomed to the helpful advice I get from other less trafficked newsgroups.

-Alison
H
Hecate
Jul 19, 2004
On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:41:23 -0700, Alison
wrote:

kleee wrote:

Alison

You’re more likely to get sneers than helpful replies in here! Try: ‘comp.graphics.apps.photoshop’ – I haven’t come across any sad trolls in there…

Kleee

Honestly, I am surprised by the response here, I rarely look at either of the Photoshop newsgroups because they get so many posts, and I am more accustomed to the helpful advice I get from other less trafficked newsgroups.

-Alison

Hi Alison,

Judicious use of kill filters ensures that you (mostly) avoid the unhelpful.

As for your question about Painter/PS brushes – PS cannot compare with what you can do with Painter. I’ve recently upgraded to v.8 and it’s just so far ahead of PS for original image creation and manipulation in terms of brushes, art work and so forth, that it’s just not worth bothering with PS. OTOH, PS is way ahead of anything else, IMHO, as far as image manipulation goes in terms of photographic images.



Hecate

veni, vidi, reliqui
B
bagal
Jul 19, 2004
Hi Alison

Please don’t let it bug you and please don’t take it personal

You may indeed have to wade through 99% of dross to get to a gold nugget of helpful comments.

I wish it were not so – but bear in mind that anyone with a keyboard and internet connection may post to most newsgroups.

In Latin i think it runs like: non illigitum carborundum

Keep cool – hang loose and well, I think I am running out of cliches

Artie

"Alison" wrote in message
kleee wrote:

Alison

You’re more likely to get sneers than helpful replies in here! Try: ‘comp.graphics.apps.photoshop’ – I haven’t come across any sad trolls in there…

Kleee

Honestly, I am surprised by the response here, I rarely look at either of the Photoshop newsgroups because they get so many posts, and I am more accustomed to the helpful advice I get from other less trafficked newsgroups.

-Alison
T
toby
Jul 19, 2004
"kleee" …
Well – it depends who you believe in here – the so called experts say it can be done ("trivial task") – perhaps you should argue with them – I don’t know!

It can be done easily in CS, with "Lens Blur". It’s quite difficult to achieve in earlier versions. Most of the confusion in this thread (and many earlier threads) is due to people not grasping that "layer masking" is not a "simple solution" to the OP’s problem.

T

Kleee

"Toby Thain" wrote in message
Wizard of Draws wrote in message
news:<BD1EAE67.1776D%>…
… The original poster
was asking for a plug-in to do something that is already within the capabilities of Photoshop.

Incorrect.

–T
V
Voivoid
Jul 19, 2004
I am amused by your need to make yourself into a troll.

in article 5GAKc.1295$
wrote on 07/18/2004 1:01 PM:

Poor boy – I’m laughing at you not worrying!

Ha Ha Ha Hee Hee Hee

Kleee

"Voivoid" wrote in message
How about the guy that worries about it?

hahahaha.

in article %3xKc.167$
wrote on 07/18/2004 8:55 AM:

Is there anything sadder than a Voivod wanabe – I think not…

V
Voivoid
Jul 19, 2004
in article zKAKc.1299$
wrote on 07/18/2004 1:05 PM:

"Voivoid" wrote in message
in article 2KwKc.162$
wrote on 07/18/2004 8:32 AM:

This ‘newbie’ tag is so juvenile and pretentious…

Hooked you right in the eye though…

Huh?

You really are a newbie.

hahahaha.
H
hecate
Jul 19, 2004
in article , Hecate at
wrote on 07/18/2004 5:45 PM:

Judicious use of kill filters ensures that you (mostly) avoid the unhelpful.

Make sure you only filter the fakes…
N
noone
Jul 19, 2004
In article ,
net says…
I would like to know if there is a plug-in to Photoshop for a blur that is effected by a gradient (or values of gray from another layer or image file) much like the gradient blur in After Effects?

-Alison

Alison,

Besides the plug-in(s) mentioned from Andromeda (and others), the easiest and most controlable way is to create an Alpha Channel (starting in Quick Mask is a good place to begin) and then manufacture the gradient that you desire. Using this Alpha Channel as a Selection (Load Selection), and applying the blur of your choice to the image will yield what you have asked for. You may need to tweak your gradient for the exact effect that you desire, but with it saved as an Alpha Channel you can easily do this – even blurring the Alpha Channel (again, Quick Mask is an easy way to do this), and then Save with a different name, i.e. Blur Gradient 2. There is an infinite number of variations that you can use, even painting in areas of the gradient, that could not be created using the Gradient Tool.

Hope this helps – good luck,
Hunt
N
noone
Jul 19, 2004
In article ,
says…
On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 15:45:51 GMT, "Kleee" wrote:
For your information: The manual does NOT explain how to do this… have
you
read it lately?

And even it if did…some of us have lots of trouble with manuals. Generally, they are written for the person who doesn’t really need a manual. They aren’t written for the person who really doesn’t know how to do something. They aren’t written for those of us who have trouble understanding what they just read either. I’ve had that problem all my life. The manual is nothing but words, and that’s the way it comes across most of the time. When finally shown step by step how to do something, the manual usually comes around to making sense, but sometimes not. Call it what you want, poor reading skills, poor comprehension, whatever. The point it, reading the manual rarely works for some of us. Specific, step by step instruction usually does.
g1

AND, the manuals for Adobe have become little more than a See Help anyway. Even with their extended Help screens, you have to know exactly how to phrase the question, before you can find the answer, and sometimes this is not at all inutitive. Once, I considered the bulk of the PS help books to be little more than manuals re-stated, but I think that there has developed a great market for them now. Many of the WOW, Studio Techniques, etc. books were always great, but now one needs the manual, the Help screens, and a few good basic books, that actually show one how to do something. I am sorry to see the good PS (and other Adobe products) manuals go by the wayside, but it has created a market for all the PS "Bibles."

Hunt
N
noone
Jul 19, 2004
In article <YRgKc.750$ says…
"Wizard of Draws" wrote in message
On 7/17/04 11:45 AM, in article PQbKc.97$,
"Kleee" wrote:

For your information: The manual does NOT explain how to do this… have
you
read it lately?

Kleee

Sure have: page 111-112. Granted, it takes a bit of extrapolation to apply it to the request, but for a Photoshop teacher, it shouldn’t be a stretch.

For you and other seasoned users! Maybe for me (a relative beginner). I have worked through many tutorials and gained from advice, hints, tips from other users hundreds of times – why have I bothered when everything I know (still relatively little) could be ‘extrapolated’ from the manual? What are friends, colleagues, user groups, teachers, newsgroups for? I still can’t answer Alisons question (I must admit, I don’t fully understand it!?).
Most things in Photoshop can be easily accomplished if you simply are
aware
of how to make a selection. From that point on, it’s usually only a matter of how you choose to manipulate the selection.

I have found Photoshop to be anything but intuitive…

I work with a few people that depend on me for instructions on how to do
the
most simple Photoshop or Illustrator tasks (repeatedly), instead of bothering to read the manual or simply experiment. It quickly becomes tiresome, as does their work, because they won’t ever explore the possibilities of the programs or their own creativity.

It’s frustrating, but wheras you (I presume) and I are creative and will work to realise our visions – because we enjoy the act of ‘creation’ and get satisfaction from it – others have tasks to do and don’t want to spend ages working out how to do them. It’s not laziness. I have visited Excel/programming newsgroups a number of times to ask for help with Macros – I enjoy programming but sometimes just can’t work out the best way to do something – various people on these newsgroups are only too happy to offer advice, which they obviously enjoy giving and I appreciate recieving – so much of my valuable time has been saved. Everyone’s a winner! I have never, ever been told to read the manual or look for a tutorial on Google.
If I don’t want to help somebody – I will not post a reply – it’s really pathetic to just snear at honest (maybe naive) requests for help…
Kleee

One also never knows from whom the answer to THEIR next question might come. It’s easier to help put someone on the right path (hey, I thought we were talking about Selections and Blur(s) here!), and then anticipate that THEY might well have the solution to MY next problem, when the client is looking over my shoulder and the printer is holding up an entire press for the 64 page brochure, that isn’t working out quite right.

Hunt
H
Hecate
Jul 20, 2004
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 03:50:01 -0700, hecate
wrote:

in article , Hecate at
wrote on 07/18/2004 5:45 PM:

Judicious use of kill filters ensures that you (mostly) avoid the unhelpful.

Make sure you only filter the fakes…
It’s easy to spot fake posts from AssholeMike.



Hecate

veni, vidi, reliqui
K
Kleee
Jul 20, 2004
in article , Hecate at
wrote on 07/19/2004 6:13 PM:

It’s easy to spot fake posts from AssholeMike.

Like the above message.

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