Why Adobe Can’t Be Trusted with Activation Technology

"nospam" wrote in message

Well, I have been called some pretty nasty things over the last couple of months for razing on Adobe about their Activation Technology and how they were at some point in the future going to use it to screw their customers

by

forcing upgrades, etc.

Well, we now we have perfect proof that Adobe can’t be trusted to do what

is

right for their customers. Adobe has announced that the sale, development and support for LiveMotion has and will shortly come to and end. This for all of the people that spent all of that money on a program that is now worthless junk.

Now if this was the first time Adobe had done this it might be one thing. But, they also did the same thing with ImageStyler. Hell, they didn’t even provide upgrade pricing for ImageStyler owners to LiveMotion.
Perfect example of why anyone that thinks you can trust Adobe not fuck

their

customers if it proves beneficial to them is a fucking idiot. Adobe like every other company will screw you blind at the drop of a hat if it

benefits

them. This is why trusting that activation technology will never be used

to

screw you over is such a bad idea. Especially given the fact that

activation

technology doesn’t work to stop what they say it supposed to stop and

given

the fact the now there are perfectly working cracks out there to disable

it.

Adobe is blowing smoke up our ass.

You have been warned. Bend over at your own risk!

I am not a big fan of the activation myself but I don’t think you are right calling a piece of software worthless junk because the developer does not upgrade or support it.
Besides, if you don’t want to use CS, you don’t have too, you don’t need CS. You don’t even need PS7, the healing brush is nice but the clone tool used properly gives you the same results. PS 5 still is a fantastic tool and put in the right hands can do everything CS does
Many people are still using Win 98 or OS9.
Some people, like me, drive cars made in 1982 and go from A to B just like people driving 2004 models.
You don’t need the latest digital Nikon to make great photos, the F2 is still a great tool.

Adobe will "screw" you only if you let them persuade you you absolutely need the latest version.

Stephan

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 09:48:14 -0800, "nospam"
scribbled:

Well, we now we have perfect proof that Adobe can’t be trusted to do what is right for their customers. Adobe has announced that the sale, development and support for LiveMotion has and will shortly come to and end.

And this is somehow proof of what?

"Voivod" Burger Boy wrote in message

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 09:48:14 -0800, "nospam"
scribbled:

And this is somehow proof of what?

That Vovoid is a thief, a liar and a Burger boy keep flipping those burgers Vovoid

in article bpog26$fb4$ wrote
on 11/22/03 12:13 PM:

"Voivod" Burger Boy wrote in message

On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 09:48:14 -0800, "nospam"
scribbled:

And this is somehow proof of what?

That Vovoid is a thief, a liar and a Burger boy keep flipping those burgers Vovoid

hahahahahaha.

"Voivod" kirjoitti
viestiss

.. wrote:

"Voivod" kirjoitti
viestissä:

And this is somehow proof of what?

Hey phuck you cocksmoker, keep your mouth firmly planted on your boyfriend’s asshole.

I think it’s quite sad that Livemotion is to be discontinued. It is unfortunate that it was a very promising competitior to Flash.. Now Macromedia rrule unchallenged. Which is kind of bad because that makes the development lazy, when there is no competition..

I suspect it won’t be long until we hear the same about GoLive….

:[

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 01:14:57 +0000, Martin Chiselwitt
wrote:

. wrote:

"Voivod" kirjoitti
viestissä:

And this is somehow proof of what?

Hey phuck you cocksmoker, keep your mouth firmly planted on your boyfriend’s asshole.

I think it’s quite sad that Livemotion is to be discontinued. It is unfortunate that it was a very promising competitior to Flash.. Now Macromedia rrule unchallenged. Which is kind of bad because that makes the development lazy, when there is no competition..

I suspect it won’t be long until we hear the same about GoLive….
:[

You know the weird thing about GoLive? With the ability to send PDFs to GoLive in the new Suite it makes GoLive more use as something with which you can print out web site design information but doesn’t improve it’s use as a web site builder where Dreamweaver is still far better.

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Hecate

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The weird things is that everyone is complaining about Adobe’s activation and I haven’t heard anyone about WinXP…

Waldo

Waldo wrote:

The weird things is that everyone is complaining about Adobe’s activation and I haven’t heard anyone about WinXP…

How long ago was WinXP released? Folks are griped out over it. And they will get griped out over Adobe too. In the meantime we shall see what happens.

— Paul J. Gans

On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:43:58 +0100, "Waldo" wrote:

The weird things is that everyone is complaining about Adobe’s activation and I haven’t heard anyone about WinXP…

I would complain about it if it didn’t only affect consumers. But I bought 2 licences and no activation. The problem with PS activation is small/individual designers usually only need one copy and can’t therefore get business license non-activation. If it was just consumers being affected I wouldn’t be complaining about it as it’s there that most of the piracy occurs.

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Hecate

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"Paul J Gans" wrote in message

Waldo wrote:

The weird things is that everyone is complaining about Adobe’s activation and I haven’t heard anyone about WinXP…

How long ago was WinXP released? Folks are griped out over it. And they will get griped out over Adobe too. In the meantime we shall see what happens.

This thread is getting old. As Spock might say "Another example of that curious Human custom, flogging expired equines".

Use pirate version and crack. No need to worry about activation. That is Adobes main target.

That is because there are more holes in XP activation than in a noodle strainer. Besides you have the wrong newsgroup.

"Waldo" wrote in message

The weird things is that everyone is complaining about Adobe’s activation and I haven’t heard anyone about WinXP…

Waldo

Waldo wrote:

The weird things is that everyone is complaining about Adobe’s activation and I haven’t heard anyone about WinXP…

That is not correct. The reasons why we ought to be against Product Activation are many, and they are weighty.

Just read here:

http://www.efn.no/free-desktop.html

Per Inge Oestmoen

Hecate wrote:

I would complain about it if it didn’t only affect consumers. But I bought 2 licences and no activation. The problem with PS activation is small/individual designers usually only need one copy and can’t therefore get business license non-activation. If it was just consumers being affected I wouldn’t be complaining about it as it’s there that most of the piracy occurs.

As a consumer and a legitimate licensee of Adobe Photoshop 7, I declare that I will never accept software on any of my present or future computers unless it can be installed and used independent from its manufacturer.

This has absolutely nothing with software piracy to do, and we had better stop accepting the software industry’s premises. If we fail to take a firm stand against Product Activation our future computers will be filled with activation crippled software with attached strings, expiry dates and greatly undermined safety of access to our own data.

That is not acceptable, and I think more and more among us are going to realize this.

In the same way, there is no resaon to buy the argument that we need the death penalty because there are murderers out there.

Per Inge Oestmoen

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:02:27 +0100, "pioe[rmv]" <"pioe[rmv]"@coldsiberia.org> wrote:

Hecate wrote:

I would complain about it if it didn’t only affect consumers. But I bought 2 licences and no activation. The problem with PS activation is small/individual designers usually only need one copy and can’t therefore get business license non-activation. If it was just consumers being affected I wouldn’t be complaining about it as it’s there that most of the piracy occurs.

As a consumer and a legitimate licensee of Adobe Photoshop 7, I declare that I will never accept software on any of my present or future computers unless it can be installed and used independent from its manufacturer.

And I agree with you but…..

The problem is that that is fine stand to take if you are a hobbyist or consumer. But if your end use is business you may end up with no choice in the matter. 🙁

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Hecate

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Hecate wrote:

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 18:02:27 +0100, "pioe[rmv]" <"pioe[rmv]"@coldsiberia.org> wrote:

As a consumer and a legitimate licensee of Adobe Photoshop 7, I declare that I will never accept software on any of my present or future computers unless it can be installed and used independent from its manufacturer.

And I agree with you but…..
The problem is that that is fine stand to take if you are a hobbyist or consumer. But if your end use is business you may end up with no choice in the matter. 🙁

I see the problem. I am confronted by it myself at work. But I do my best to convince the others at all levels that this situation must change. Believe it or not, people listen. It is a slow process, but we can do nothing else than to go on encouraging others to do something to remedy the situation. We need patience and persistence, though.

Per Inge Oestmoen

I don’t think we should be so upset about the new activation, set by Adobe. Sure it can be a bit annoying at times, but it’s there to protect our asses. As someone earlier stated, that Photoshop is mostly pirated from the hobbyist and the non-commercial user. And if you ever frequent any of the Photoshop forums you will find 99% of the people that are part of those communities are using pirated versions of Photoshop.

In reality (no offense), how many home users really go out and spend 600.00+ on photo editing software. They don’t, and they’re becoming a bigger problem everyday. Here is the main problem, they acquire the program, then instantly thing they are designers, LOL. Thus I have seen more and more of the design industry being saturated with these kind of people.

I don’t mean to make this a novel but I am going to share an experience that pissed me off. A few weeks ago I looking for someone to help me get some work done being the overload of work I was getting from my clients. I had a friend of mine that had a relative (relatives wife) that was supposably a graphic designer. I had talked to her one the phone for a short pre-interview.

On the Phone I asked her if she was up to date on her software. She didn’t even realize that the Creative Suite was even out I don’t think. Well she said I don’t have that upgrade but since you do I can just get it from you. My jaw hit the floor and at that point I didn’t want nothing to do with her. But this is what she followed up. She stated that she will find the software or find a demo and get the serial/crack from her friend/s.

I don’t feel we should be mad at Adobe, and make inane statements about them being trusted. How do you think Adobe feels about the trust issue. Photoshop is probably in the top 5 of pirated software among home users. In a small way it’s almost like we aren’t elite in our industry anymore, being how many people use and believe they are pros.

Don’t be mad at Adobe, be mad at all the TRASH out there causing Adobe to slap us professional with an activation that can be a pain in the ass sometimes. In my honest opinion, when I received my upgraded version of Creative Suite, the install was a cake and the activation took about 5 seconds. No complains here, if and when I do run into a problem you bet for damn sure I will be the first one breathing fire down Adobe’s neck.

Sorry for the NOVEL

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 04:11:25 -0500, "Mark Rox" scribbled:

And if you ever frequent any of the
Photoshop forums you will find 99% of the people that are part of those communities are using pirated versions of Photoshop.

I do so love these sweeping blanket statements.

Yeh, and we are sorry too.

"Mark Rox" wrote in message

I don’t think we should be so upset about the new activation, set by

Adobe.

Sure it can be a bit annoying at times, but it’s there to protect our

asses.

As someone earlier stated, that Photoshop is mostly pirated from the hobbyist and the non-commercial user. And if you ever frequent any of the Photoshop forums you will find 99% of the people that are part of those communities are using pirated versions of Photoshop.

In reality (no offense), how many home users really go out and spend

600.00+

on photo editing software. They don’t, and they’re becoming a bigger

problem

everyday. Here is the main problem, they acquire the program, then

instantly

thing they are designers, LOL. Thus I have seen more and more of the

design

industry being saturated with these kind of people.

I don’t mean to make this a novel but I am going to share an experience

that

pissed me off. A few weeks ago I looking for someone to help me get some work done being the overload of work I was getting from my clients. I had

a

friend of mine that had a relative (relatives wife) that was supposably a graphic designer. I had talked to her one the phone for a short pre-interview.

On the Phone I asked her if she was up to date on her software. She didn’t even realize that the Creative Suite was even out I don’t think. Well she said I don’t have that upgrade but since you do I can just get it from

you.

My jaw hit the floor and at that point I didn’t want nothing to do with

her.

But this is what she followed up. She stated that she will find the

software

or find a demo and get the serial/crack from her friend/s.

I don’t feel we should be mad at Adobe, and make inane statements about

them

being trusted. How do you think Adobe feels about the trust issue.

Photoshop

is probably in the top 5 of pirated software among home users. In a small way it’s almost like we aren’t elite in our industry anymore, being how

many

people use and believe they are pros.

Don’t be mad at Adobe, be mad at all the TRASH out there causing Adobe to slap us professional with an activation that can be a pain in the ass sometimes. In my honest opinion, when I received my upgraded version of Creative Suite, the install was a cake and the activation took about 5 seconds. No complains here, if and when I do run into a problem you bet

for

damn sure I will be the first one breathing fire down Adobe’s neck.

Sorry for the NOVEL

"Mark Rox" wrote in message

I don’t think we should be so upset about the new activation, set by

Adobe.

Sure it can be a bit annoying at times, but it’s there to protect our

asses.

BwaHAHAhahahaha!

Now THAT is funny!

In reality (no offense), how many home users really go out and spend

600.00+

on photo editing software. They don’t, and they’re becoming a bigger

problem

everyday. Here is the main problem, they acquire the program, then

instantly

thing they are designers, LOL. Thus I have seen more and more of the

design

industry being saturated with these kind of people.

If your job is in danger because of people like that, you had better take a hard look at your own skill set.

On the Phone I asked her if she was up to date on her software. She didn’t even realize that the Creative Suite was even out I don’t think. Well she said I don’t have that upgrade but since you do I can just get it from

you.

My jaw hit the floor and at that point I didn’t want nothing to do with

her.

But this is what she followed up. She stated that she will find the

software

or find a demo and get the serial/crack from her friend/s.

And she will. Now, tell me one more time… Exactly HOW does activation do YOU any good? Um?

Photoshop
is probably in the top 5 of pirated software among home users.

And activation effects this problem how, exactly? Then tell me how it effects you, exactly?

This is a test… Do you see which group is being kicked in the nuts by Adobe? Um?

In a small
way it’s almost like we aren’t elite in our industry anymore, being how

many

people use and believe they are pros.

Ah, you consider yourself "elite" by virtue of your ability to pay through the nose AND be lead around by the balls by this inane activation nonesense.

Don’t be mad at Adobe, be mad at all the TRASH out there causing Adobe to slap us professional with an activation that can be a pain in the ass sometimes.

Are you just stupid or what? Do you think the "trash" as you call them have been inconvenienced one iota? Did you flunk the pop quiz earlier?

Inconvenience is being foisted off on US, the legal users, NOT on the "trash".

By the way Ace, I’ll probably be amoung the "trash" in your eyes very shortly.

I got my upgrade from Amazon for $160.99 (free shipping too, if anyone is interested) but I am not going to install it until I get the crack that allows it to work without installing spyware on my computer.

This is WAY more trouble than just being one of the sheep and going along with activation, but there you are.

Tom

Well, for me Mark is doesn’t matter if Adobe trusts customers or not. The plain fact is there are far more laws that protect Adobe then there are laws that protect consumers. Adobe as well as every other company has managed to keep consumer laws off the books the protect us from spending $600 on software so buggy that it can’t be used until we get a patch. This isn’t right. If it was any other industry their asses would have been busted for putting out a product that didn’t work. No they have all of the protections and if they want my money they have earn it and they have to be trust worthy. After the activation stuff and then them dumping LiveMotion the are in the crapper in my book.

Of course there are always plenty of consumers that don’t mind being ripped off, treated like crooks and generally lead around by the nose hairs that I am sure Adobe isn’t going to suffer for it.

Myself, I won’t touch Creative Suite and if I did I would crack it. Piracy is wrong and people that do it suck. But, that is no reason for companies to treat their paying, loyal, honest customers like crooks. The only people they are affecting with activation are the honest customers. The pirates, casual copiers, etc. are already downloading it, installing it and cracking it. Adobe hasn’t done a damn thing to slow that down.

Jerry

"Mark Rox" wrote in message
I don’t feel we should be mad at Adobe, and make inane statements about them being trusted. How do you think Adobe feels about the trust issue. Photoshop is probably in the top 5 of pirated software among home users. In a small way it’s almost like we aren’t elite in our industry anymore, being how many people use and believe they are pros.

Millions have been spent trying to thwart pirates… an excercise in futility. It’s only matter of time before they break into it – whether 3 months or 6 months. The most robust schemes – dongles included, for the really expensive apps – can all be defeated. If it can be created, it can be destroyed.

A whiz kid in Taiwan or Russia who cracks stuff doesn’t lose sleep over the BSA.

Adobe should focus on creating great new tools and utilities – a percentage of customers will always rationalize why they should own real copy, meaning fresh cash flow. A percentage of the population will never pay for anything they can get for free, as guilt has been erased as an emotion in our dysfunctional culture that strives for pleasure 24/7.

JD

The pirates, casual copiers, etc. are already downloading it, installing it and cracking it. Adobe hasn’t done a damn thing to slow that down.

Jerry

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 04:11:25 -0500, "Mark Rox" wrote:

A commercial for Adobe…

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Hecate

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nospam wrote:

Well, for me Mark is doesn’t matter if Adobe trusts customers or not. The plain fact is there are far more laws that protect Adobe then there are laws that protect consumers.

We should ask, "Who are the actual pirates?"

Read more here:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?chanID=sa006&colID=7&am p;articleID=000AFFF8-B887-1F80-B57583414B7F0103

Per Inge Oestmoen

"Mark Rox" wrote in message

I don’t think we should be so upset about the new activation, set by

Adobe.

Sure it can be a bit annoying at times, but it’s there to protect our

asses.

As someone earlier stated, that Photoshop is mostly pirated from the hobbyist and the non-commercial user. And if you ever frequent any of the Photoshop forums you will find 99% of the people that are part of those communities are using pirated versions of Photoshop.

In reality (no offense), how many home users really go out and spend

600.00+

on photo editing software. They don’t, and they’re becoming a bigger

problem

everyday. Here is the main problem, they acquire the program, then

instantly

thing they are designers, LOL. Thus I have seen more and more of the

design

industry being saturated with these kind of people.

I don’t mean to make this a novel but I am going to share an experience

that

pissed me off. A few weeks ago I looking for someone to help me get some work done being the overload of work I was getting from my clients. I had

a

friend of mine that had a relative (relatives wife) that was supposably a graphic designer. I had talked to her one the phone for a short pre-interview.

On the Phone I asked her if she was up to date on her software. She didn’t even realize that the Creative Suite was even out I don’t think. Well she said I don’t have that upgrade but since you do I can just get it from

you.

My jaw hit the floor and at that point I didn’t want nothing to do with

her.

But this is what she followed up. She stated that she will find the

software

or find a demo and get the serial/crack from her friend/s.

I don’t feel we should be mad at Adobe, and make inane statements about

them

being trusted. How do you think Adobe feels about the trust issue.

Photoshop

is probably in the top 5 of pirated software among home users. In a small way it’s almost like we aren’t elite in our industry anymore, being how

many

people use and believe they are pros.

Don’t be mad at Adobe, be mad at all the TRASH out there causing Adobe to slap us professional with an activation that can be a pain in the ass sometimes. In my honest opinion, when I received my upgraded version of Creative Suite, the install was a cake and the activation took about 5 seconds. No complains here, if and when I do run into a problem you bet

for

damn sure I will be the first one breathing fire down Adobe’s neck.

This girl and her pirated version could be much more creative and talented than you.
You could even have learned something from her Mr hotshot!

Stephan

I guess it’s a losing battle for the legit customers ah? I have seen people cry about the price for a full version of Photoshop CS. I would really like to see a mechanic go up to a snapon truck and steal some of his tools. It’s no different then what a lot of people do to get their software.

Stephan, I would go so far with the assumptiom. No need to explain myself why I dropped her from the work roster. I usually get about 5-10 resumes a month, and most of them are stay at home mom’s or kids/young adults that dropped out of school and think they can create full spread catalogs with Photoshop.

I have seen this triple in the last few years, and because of this saturated industry the talent has withered away. I don’t mean to start a pissing match, but I made my statements, and I stand behind them 110%. Hell next thing you know people will be calling themselves lawyers or engineers just cause it’s cool, LOL…

This girl and her pirated version could be much more creative and talented than you.
You could even have learned something from her Mr hotshot!
Stephan