WACOM Intuos3

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Thomas Armagost wrote:

Intuos3. <http://www.wacom.com/productinfo/intuos.cfm>
First the bad news.

The 12×12 and 12×18 models have been discontinued.

No they haven’t. The new model is not available in large sizes (yet…I’m sure it will be if demand is high enough) but the large versions of the existing models have not been discontinued.

G

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What would you recomend for web design and print design, do the different sizes matter?
(i dont need a big mouse mat if im working on a poster?)

mark

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In article ,
Thomas Armagost wrote:

Intuos3. <http://www.wacom.com/productinfo/intuos.cfm>
First the bad news.

The 12×12 and 12×18 models have been discontinued.

No they haven’t. The new model is not available in large sizes (yet…I’m sure it will be if demand is high enough) but the large versions of the existing models have not been discontinued.
G

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Standard output is like your butt. Everyone has one. When using a bathroom,
they all default to going into a toilet. However, a person can redirect his
"standard output" to somewhere else, if he so chooses. – Jeremy Nixon

mark | r wrote:

What would you recomend for web design and print design, do the different sizes matter?
(i dont need a big mouse mat if im working on a poster?)
mark

My Intuos2 9×12 is nice size for most GD applications and my needs. I’m thinking the larger ones may be good for an artist who has sketched something out on a larger piece of paper and perhaps wishes to trace it out for digital production/manipulation, or maybe just feels more comfortable with almost a 1:1 ratio when creating something. Otherwise, the tablet just scales proportionately to whatever screen resolution you have.

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"mark | r" wrote:

What would you recomend for web design and print design, do the different sizes matter?
(i dont need a big mouse mat if im working on a poster?)

I find it’s largely a matter of need and personal comfort. In all honesty some people get by fine even with the 4×5 models. I wouldn’t recommend it, but this is _very_ subjective.

G

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Standard output is like your butt. Everyone has one. When using a bathroom, they all default to going into a toilet. However, a person can redirect his "standard output" to somewhere else, if he so chooses. – Jeremy Nixon

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 20:05:59 +0100, "mark | r" wrote:

What would you recomend for web design and print design, do the different sizes matter?
(i dont need a big mouse mat if im working on a poster?)

A lot of people are happy with A6. A% is good too. I wouldn’t go above A4 unless you’re doing as lot of CAD work. What you gain in size, you lose in having to make more and more arm movements. Ergonomically, A4 or A4 oversize is good for a 19" screen (which seems to be a fairly common size) because it almost matches the screen size.

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Hecate wrote:

What would you recomend for web design and print design, do the different sizes matter?
(i dont need a big mouse mat if im working on a poster?)

A lot of people are happy with A6. A% is good too. I wouldn’t go above A4 unless you’re doing as lot of CAD work. What you gain in size, you lose in having to make more and more arm movements. Ergonomically, A4 or A4 oversize is good for a 19" screen (which seems to be a fairly common size) because it almost matches the screen size.

A3 = 12×18

A4 = 9×12

<http://www.pugh.co.uk/Products/wacom/A4-regular.htm> sez: "The tablet size provides a 1 to 1 mapping ratio for most monitors and is ideal for artistic styles that need full arm motion."

A4 oversize = 12×12

A% = ??? 😉

A5 = 6×8

Very popular size. Cartoonist Charley Parker uses a 6×8 tablet to create his 100% digital "Argon Zark!" series. <http://www.zark.com/front/crayons.html>

A6 = 4×5

I appreciate your correction of my numerous inaccuracies.

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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:49:13 -0700, Thomas Armagost
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Hecate wrote:

What would you recomend for web design and print design, do the different sizes matter?
(i dont need a big mouse mat if im working on a poster?)

A lot of people are happy with A6. A% is good too. I wouldn’t go above A4 unless you’re doing as lot of CAD work. What you gain in size, you lose in having to make more and more arm movements. Ergonomically, A4 or A4 oversize is good for a 19" screen (which seems to be a fairly common size) because it almost matches the screen size.

A3 = 12×18

A4 = 9×12

<http://www.pugh.co.uk/Products/wacom/A4-regular.htm> sez: "The tablet size provides a 1 to 1 mapping ratio for most monitors and is ideal for artistic styles that need full arm motion."
A4 oversize = 12×12

A% = ??? 😉

A5 = 6×8

Very popular size. Cartoonist Charley Parker uses a 6×8 tablet to create his 100% digital "Argon Zark!" series. <http://www.zark.com/front/crayons.html>

A6 = 4×5

I appreciate your correction of my numerous inaccuracies.

LOL! A% should, of course, have been A5, but you included that anyway 😉

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mark | r wrote:

What would you recomend for web design and print design, do the different sizes matter?
(i dont need a big mouse mat if im working on a poster?)
mark

My Intuos2 9×12 is nice size for most GD applications and my needs. I’m thinking the larger ones may be good for an artist who has sketched something out on a larger piece of paper and perhaps wishes to trace it out for digital production/manipulation, or maybe just feels more comfortable with almost a 1:1 ratio when creating something. Otherwise, the tablet just scales proportionately to whatever screen resolution you have.

If you had a wide screen resolution, how does the tablet map the screen? Should there be a new wide format tablet in the future?

On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 04:34:00 GMT, "leo" wrote:

If you had a wide screen resolution, how does the tablet map the screen? Should there be a new wide format tablet in the future?

You’ll never map the screen exactly, but you can map the screen to the tablet using the software.

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Hecate wrote:

"leo" wrote:

If you had a wide screen resolution, how does the tablet map the screen? Should there be a new wide format tablet in the future?

You’ll never map the screen exactly, but you can map the screen to the tablet using the software.

Is it possible for the tablet’s software to map just the image file you’re working on? Instead of the entire screen? Wouldn’t it be sweet to work on an image file in Painter or Photoshop that is an exact 1-to-1 ratio of the tablet?

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Thomas Armagost wrote:

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Hecate wrote:

"leo" wrote:

If you had a wide screen resolution, how does the tablet map the screen? Should there be a new wide format tablet in the future?

You’ll never map the screen exactly, but you can map the screen to the tablet using the software.

Is it possible for the tablet’s software to map just the image file you’re working on? Instead of the entire screen? Wouldn’t it be sweet to work on an image file in Painter or Photoshop that is an exact 1-to-1 ratio of the tablet?

you can map it to a specific size, like an 800×600 on a 1200×1600 resolution and then set the off-set from the top and left of the screen, or select the area with the cursor. there are several other settings and advanced settings as well for mapping it.

I got to play with one of these for a little while in Orlando— The touch strips are nice and quite useful– during the hands on demo the workflow seemed a little odd– mostly because it was just different. The strips do, however probably eliminate a lot of switching back and forth to that hockeypuck mouse once you get it trained properly. I was also fortunate enough to watch Julianne Kost from Adobe actually work with one up close, and she had some great tips for making the thing your own. Of course, she’s more coordinated than I am,. so scrolling with her pinky while drawing bezier curves with the Pen tool
is something I’d have to practice a lot before I got it nailed down. LOL

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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:49:13 -0700, Thomas Armagost
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Hecate wrote:

What would you recomend for web design and print design, do the different sizes matter?
(i dont need a big mouse mat if im working on a poster?)

A lot of people are happy with A6. A% is good too. I wouldn’t go above A4 unless you’re doing as lot of CAD work. What you gain in size, you lose in having to make more and more arm movements. Ergonomically, A4 or A4 oversize is good for a 19" screen (which seems to be a fairly common size) because it almost matches the screen size.

A3 = 12×18

A4 = 9×12

<http://www.pugh.co.uk/Products/wacom/A4-regular.htm> sez: "The tablet size provides a 1 to 1 mapping ratio for most monitors and is ideal for artistic styles that need full arm motion."
A4 oversize = 12×12

A% = ??? 😉

A5 = 6×8

Very popular size. Cartoonist Charley Parker uses a 6×8 tablet to create his 100% digital "Argon Zark!" series. <http://www.zark.com/front/crayons.html>

A6 = 4×5

I appreciate your correction of my numerous inaccuracies.

LOL! A% should, of course, have been A5, but you included that anyway 😉

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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 18:10:42 -0700, Thomas Armagost
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Hecate wrote:

"leo" wrote:

If you had a wide screen resolution, how does the tablet map the screen? Should there be a new wide format tablet in the future?

You’ll never map the screen exactly, but you can map the screen to the tablet using the software.

Is it possible for the tablet’s software to map just the image file you’re working on? Instead of the entire screen? Wouldn’t it be sweet to work on an image file in Painter or Photoshop that is an exact 1-to-1 ratio of the tablet?

You can only select screen areas. If you want to do what you’re suggesting, the image would need to be the same size as the available screen areas. You don’t have to map the entire screen – you can map to any size you want up to a maximum of the full screen size.

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Hecate wrote:

Is it possible for the tablet’s software to map just the image file you’re working on? Instead of the entire screen? Wouldn’t it be sweet to work on an image file in Painter or Photoshop that is an exact 1-to-1 ratio of the tablet?

You can only select screen areas. If you want to do what you’re suggesting, the image would need to be the same size as the available screen areas. You don’t have to map the entire screen – you can map to any size you want up to a maximum of the full screen size.

Does WACOM have a suggestion box or a wish list somewhere online? They should code a PenTool that launches a new Photoshop image file mapped in 1-to-1 ratio. Maybe someone in the open source community will do this? Linux and the GIMP may beat WACOM to the punch. If they haven’t done so already.

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On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 23:33:03 -0700, Thomas Armagost
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Hecate wrote:

Is it possible for the tablet’s software to map just the image file you’re working on? Instead of the entire screen? Wouldn’t it be sweet to work on an image file in Painter or Photoshop that is an exact 1-to-1 ratio of the tablet?

You can only select screen areas. If you want to do what you’re suggesting, the image would need to be the same size as the available screen areas. You don’t have to map the entire screen – you can map to any size you want up to a maximum of the full screen size.

Does WACOM have a suggestion box or a wish list somewhere online? They should code a PenTool that launches a new Photoshop image file mapped in 1-to-1 ratio. Maybe someone in the open source community will do this? Linux and the GIMP may beat WACOM to the punch. If they haven’t done so already.

Never looked. You could try their web site…

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Armagost wrote:

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Hecate wrote:

Is it possible for the tablet’s software to map just the image file you’re working on? Instead of the entire screen? Wouldn’t it be sweet to work on an image file in Painter or Photoshop that is an exact 1-to-1 ratio of the tablet?

You can only select screen areas. If you want to do what you’re suggesting, the image would need to be the same size as the available screen areas. You don’t have to map the entire screen – you can map to any size you want up to a maximum of the full screen size.

Does WACOM have a suggestion box or a wish list somewhere online? They should code a PenTool that launches a new Photoshop image file mapped in 1-to-1 ratio. Maybe someone in the open source community will do this? Linux and the GIMP may beat WACOM to the punch. If they haven’t done so already.

Sorry – can’t be done in the driver. Only the application knows what the zoom factor and pan position is (which usually changes as the user works). CAD applications do this but not graphics ones.

Dave

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(Dave Fleck) wrote:

Does WACOM have a suggestion box or a wish list somewhere online? They should code a PenTool that launches a new Photoshop image file mapped in 1-to-1 ratio. Maybe someone in the open source community will do this? Linux and the GIMP may beat WACOM to the punch. If they haven’t done so already.

Sorry – can’t be done in the driver. Only the application knows what the zoom factor and pan position is (which usually changes as the user works). CAD applications do this but not graphics ones.

Okay. You work at WACOM? Thanks for your expert opinion.

Doing the impossible could take as long as three years. Judging from what I’ve observed in the programming world. I’m not a programmer, just an end user.

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5,080 lpi… Twice the resolution.

Does this pertain to web graphics? Or is it only important for stuff like printmaking?

I’m thinking about ordering a 12×12 Intuos2 (soon to be obsolete) from Club Mac because the price is reduced. I’m wondering if I’ll miss the increased resolution of Intuos3. JPEGs for the web are all that I draw and paint. No printmaking, nothing like that.

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On 2 Oct 2004 12:36:57 -0700, (Thomas Armagost) wrote:

5,080 lpi… Twice the resolution.

Does this pertain to web graphics? Or is it only important for stuff like printmaking?

I’m thinking about ordering a 12×12 Intuos2 (soon to be obsolete) from Club Mac because the price is reduced. I’m wondering if I’ll miss the increased resolution of Intuos3. JPEGs for the web are all that I draw and paint. No printmaking, nothing like that.

If that’s all you do, that size is WAY too big.

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DONT DONT DONT get the Graphire 3 4×5. It is way to little and the pen is sloppy.
I use the intuos II platnium 6×8 and its like a cadilac! I do photoretouching and digital artwork to photos and its all I need. Hope this helps!
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On 2 Oct 2004 12:36:57 -0700, (Thomas Armagost) wrote:

5,080 lpi… Twice the resolution.

Does this pertain to web graphics? Or is it only important for stuff like printmaking?

I’m thinking about ordering a 12×12 Intuos2 (soon to be obsolete) from Club Mac because the price is reduced. I’m wondering if I’ll miss the increased resolution of Intuos3. JPEGs for the web are all that I draw and paint. No printmaking, nothing like that.

If that’s all you do, that size is WAY too big.

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JP Kabala wrote:

I got to play with one of these for a little while in Orlando— The touch strips are nice and quite useful– during the hands on demo the workflow seemed a little odd– mostly because it was just different. The strips do, however probably eliminate a lot of switching back and forth to that hockeypuck mouse once you get it trained properly. I was also fortunate enough to watch Julianne Kost from Adobe actually work with one up close, and she had some great tips for making the thing your own. Of course, she’s more coordinated than I am,. so scrolling with her pinky while drawing bezier curves with the Pen tool
is something I’d have to practice a lot before I got it nailed down. LOL
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On Sat, 11 Sep 2004 16:49:13 -0700, Thomas Armagost
wrote:

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Hecate wrote:

What would you recomend for web design and print design, do the different sizes matter?
(i dont need a big mouse mat if im working on a poster?)

A lot of people are happy with A6. A% is good too. I wouldn’t go above A4 unless you’re doing as lot of CAD work. What you gain in size, you lose in having to make more and more arm movements. Ergonomically, A4 or A4 oversize is good for a 19" screen (which seems to be a fairly common size) because it almost matches the screen size.

A3 = 12×18

A4 = 9×12

<http://www.pugh.co.uk/Products/wacom/A4-regular.htm> sez: "The tablet size provides a 1 to 1 mapping ratio for most monitors and is ideal for artistic styles that need full arm motion."
A4 oversize = 12×12

A% = ??? 😉

A5 = 6×8

Very popular size. Cartoonist Charley Parker uses a 6×8 tablet to create his 100% digital "Argon Zark!" series. <http://www.zark.com/front/crayons.html>

A6 = 4×5

I appreciate your correction of my numerous inaccuracies.

LOL! A% should, of course, have been A5, but you included that anyway 😉

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I just got an Intuos3 A5 (6×8), and it’s like glass. It much more elegant than the graphire I used to have. The majority of my work is motion graphics and I am comfortable with that size — I could have sprung for a larger area tablet, but I feel ‘just right’ with the 6×8. It’s a preference.

PS, what was Julianne Kost scrolling? The viewport while she was drawing? Or was she controlling something else…?

-GD