Recommendations needed for cartooning tools for student

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Dan Serra
Feb 20, 2004
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My son who is in high school has been enamored with creating cartoons for the past year. He prefers ink and paint and the traditional look of political cartoons. There is a type of shading that he has been trying to achieve that involves the use of diagonal lines or cross hatching with the regular hand inked lines. It is very tedious to do this by hand.

His art teacher told him that in the "good old days" they used a special board called duo-shade where you would paint a chemical onto the board and the diagonal texture would flow from the brush as it developed. He thought that there might be software out there that might be safer than the chemicals and less messy. He wasn’t sure if they still made this board anymore.

He thought that either Photoshop, Illustrator or Freehand might be able to create this flowing diagonal texture (or pattern) but he wasn’t an expert in any of these and neither am I. It’s too expensive to buy the wrong one and make a mistake so I would appreciate any recommendations you pro’s might have.

Thanks in advance

Daniel

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doctor9
Feb 20, 2004
Dan Serra …
My son who is in high school has been enamored with creating cartoons for the past year. He prefers ink and paint and the traditional look of political cartoons. There is a type of shading that he has been trying to achieve that involves the use of diagonal lines or cross hatching with the regular hand inked lines. It is very tedious to do this by hand.

At the risk of offending, I’d just like to cast a vote for the "tedious" method.

Cross-hatching, when done correctly, is not a uniform series of diagonal lines. The artist alters the distance between the lines and the thickness of the lines to show the varying shades of "gray".

Even if you did something like create a custom cross-hatch layer underneath the original art, and used a tool to make selected areas more or less visible, it wouldn’t look right, because the nature of cross-hatching is all about the subtlety of the penstrokes.

Dennis
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Wizard of Draws
Feb 21, 2004
Dennis Kuhn wrote:
Dan Serra …

My son who is in high school has been enamored with creating cartoons for the past year. He prefers ink and paint and the traditional look of political cartoons. There is a type of shading that he has been trying to achieve that involves the use of diagonal lines or cross hatching with the regular hand inked lines. It is very tedious to do this by hand.

At the risk of offending, I’d just like to cast a vote for the "tedious" method.

Cross-hatching, when done correctly, is not a uniform series of diagonal lines. The artist alters the distance between the lines and the thickness of the lines to show the varying shades of "gray".
Even if you did something like create a custom cross-hatch layer underneath the original art, and used a tool to make selected areas more or less visible, it wouldn’t look right, because the nature of cross-hatching is all about the subtlety of the penstrokes.
Dennis

While I agree with you Dennis that the artist’s hand gives character and life to a drawing, that doesn’t mean that learning a faster or technique isn’t worthwhile. When deadlines loom, you do what you have to to get the job done.

I don’t normally use crosshatching on my cartoons, but I know of a method using Photoshop. Briefly:
If you look at the comic strip ‘Rose is Rose’, you’ll see Pat Brady uses a single hatch at 45 degrees. There are a couple of ways to accomplish the effect, but I think he uses a combination of grays converted to bitmap mode. In the conversion dialog box, you are prompted to choose lines or dots. The density of the lines is determined by the value of gray you convert. You can either clone the areas you need to shade from a separate job window filled with the hatch value you need, or convert the entire grayscale artwork to bitmap as a last step.

Jeff ‘The Wizard of Draws’ Bucchino

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Odysseus
Mar 3, 2004
Dan Serra wrote:
My son who is in high school has been enamored with creating cartoons for the past year. He prefers ink and paint and the traditional look of political cartoons. There is a type of shading that he has been trying to achieve that involves the use of diagonal lines or cross hatching with the regular hand inked lines. It is very tedious to do this by hand.

His art teacher told him that in the "good old days" they used a special board called duo-shade where you would paint a chemical onto the board and the diagonal texture would flow from the brush as it developed. He thought that there might be software out there that might be safer than the chemicals and less messy. He wasn’t sure if they still made this board anymore.

He thought that either Photoshop, Illustrator or Freehand might be able to create this flowing diagonal texture (or pattern) but he wasn’t an expert in any of these and neither am I. It’s too expensive to buy the wrong one and make a mistake so I would appreciate any recommendations you pro’s might have.
FreeHand certainly has cross-hatched fills — going back quite a few versions now. But bear in mind that they will always look rather ‘stiff’ in comparison to hand-drawn shading, being much more uniform and regular. Illustrator and Photoshop (and FH as well) can fill areas with patterns or tiles; these can be set up to look more ‘handmade’ than FH’s automatic cross-hatching (e.g. by using a "brush" rather than the usual uniform strokes).

BTW, in case you aren’t aware of the distinction, FH and AI are primarily "vector" drawing programs (dealing in objects and groups of objects) while Photoshop is mainly a "raster" editor (dealing in pixels). The former allow much greater control and ‘after-drawing’ manipulation of the artwork they create, while the latter can produce more ‘natural’ textures, ‘soft’ contours, &c.


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Mar 3, 2004
Dan Serra wrote:
*My son who is in high school has been enamored with creatin cartoons
for the past year. He prefers ink and paint and the traditional loo of
political cartoons. There is a type of shading that he has bee trying
to achieve that involves the use of diagonal lines or cross hatching with the regular hand inked lines. It is very tedious to do this by hand.

His art teacher told him that in the "good old days" they used special
board called duo-shade where you would paint a chemical onto th board
and the diagonal texture would flow from the brush as it developed. He
thought that there might be software out there that might be safe than
the chemicals and less messy. He wasn’t sure if they still mad this
board anymore.

He thought that either Photoshop, Illustrator or Freehand might b able
to create this flowing diagonal texture (or pattern) but he wasn’ an
expert in any of these and neither am I. It’s too expensive to bu the
wrong one and make a mistake so I would appreciate an
recommendations
you pro’s might have.

Thanks in advance

Daniel

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I imagine the guy is producing his work "hand made", with ink an pencils. So he should finish his work without the "shadows", scan ever sheet to some Software and give the "shadow" areas to the printabl drawing.
It is complicated and expensive and can be done. Eventually by friend.
But before spending a lot of money, I suggest to try "transferables hatch sheets. It is possible to find them at good designer or technica shop, in so many shapes, and sizes. Many comic artist use them to cove different areas with beautiful effects.
Can be convenient to study the effect before going to "computer art


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