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Do NOT look at these images
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 06:39:27 GMT, "Scotty"
wrote:
http://mindprod.com/iraq.html
Do NOT look at these images
Good, we will not look at those images.
Firstly nobody here is interested in iraq photos
and secondly, is you are trying to launch a trojan,
fuck off to the childrens playground. This ng is for
grown-ups.
Dave
DD wrote in news::
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 06:39:27 GMT, "Scotty"
wrote:
http://mindprod.com/iraq.html
Do NOT look at these images
Good, we will not look at those images.
Firstly nobody here is interested in iraq photos
and secondly, is you are trying to launch a trojan,
fuck off to the childrens playground. This ng is for
grown-ups.
Dave
I looked, I think the the whole world should look and ask why?
—
Youth is wasted on the young!
The reason why is our continued policy of insanity of killing innocent people because someone else killed innocent people here. Party A kills Party B so we retaliate on Party C, who then attacks party D, who gets pissed off and attacks party E, ad infinitum. Scapegoating is the path of least resistance, and gives the illusion that something is actually being done. If gas on the fire only increases the flames, we must’ve not used enough./snip/
To keep this thread on topic to the newsgroup, maybe we should use our Photoshop skills to replace the limbs, faces, etc. of these [terrorist] victims. Bush has at least one extra face…maybe he can donate it.
Peadge :-\
So in other words, it ‘s okay to stand by and do nothing while people are fed alive into a wood chipper? While people are being tortured, starved, raped, gassed gunned down and put in mass graves? That’s all right and the person who tried (and mostly succeeded) to stop it is a terrible person for refusing to do what the rest of the "civilized" world was doing about it, NOTHING? Do I have that right?—
Youth is wasted on the young!
To keep this thread on topic to the newsgroup, maybe we should use our Photoshop skills to replace the limbs, faces, etc. of these [terrorist] victims. Bush has at least one extra face…maybe he can donate it.
Peadge :-\
Bush has at least one extra face…maybe he can donate it.
would the world have been better, safer, without people like Bush, who do not fall on their knees in front of terrorists like you do? No, y
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:54:42 -0700, "Peadge"
To keep this thread on topic to the newsgroup, maybe we should use our Photoshop skills to replace the limbs, faces, etc. of these
[terrorist] victims. Bush has at least one extra face…maybe he can
donate it.
Peadge :-\
would the world have been better, safer, without people like Bush, who do not fall on their knees in front of terrorists like you do? No, y
In news:DD typed:
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:54:42 -0700, "Peadge"
To keep this thread on topic to the newsgroup, maybe we should use our Photoshop skills to replace the limbs, faces, etc. of these
[terrorist] victims. Bush has at least one extra face…maybe he can
donate it.
Peadge :-\
would the world have been better, safer, without people like Bush, who do not fall on their knees in front of terrorists like you do? No, yĆ²u are two faced. You and your kind are supporting those killing bastards. Only listen to your kind:-( The only critisism is against Bush:-( Those bastards even kidnapped French people although France did not support Bush. If it was not for terrorist supporters like you, the world would have been a much better place. I wish you could understand my language, then I could have expressed how I feel about people like you.
You mean to tell me all theses little kids in the photos were terrorist? I think you’re mistaken, It’s theses kids father and brothers who now have become potential terrorist.
Terrorism is a mindset, which you cannot fight with guns; yes you can fight terrorist with guns, the way it is done now is the wrong way to go about it, but fighting terrorism with guns is like fighting fire with fuel.
Your little equation is faulty in that the death and destruction were much worse before the invasion and there was no sign of an end in sight.
So in other words, it ‘s okay to stand by and do nothing while people are fed alive into a wood chipper? While people are being tortured, starved, raped, gassed gunned down and put in mass graves? That’s all right and the person who tried (and mostly succeeded) to stop it is a terrible person for refusing to do what the rest of the "civilized" world was doing about it, NOTHING? Do I have that right?
Your little equation is faulty in that the death and destruction were much worse before the invasion and there was no sign of an end in sight. But that’s okay, right? Since it’s Bush and he’s a baaad man.
edjh wrote:Your little equation is faulty in that the death and destruction were much worse before the invasion and there was no sign of an end in sight.
The destruction of buildings was much worse during the invasion.
bombings, civil unrest and beheadings that you are so blithely ignoring
were never a factor before. The torture of prisoners continued under US occupation, as it had under Saddam.
in sight, and US troops are there indefinately.
becoming a growing threat,
begun to desert. Iraq is an unequivocal disaster.
More of our babies die in Iraq every day,
morality of acting.
by our leadership and the entire world community warned us not to do it.
Now we eat it.
The Doormouse
DD wrote:
would the world have been better, safer, without people like Bush, who do not fall on their knees in front of terrorists like you do? No, yĀu are two faced. You and your kind are supporting those killing bastards.
Your argument is essentially, "those who do not agree with me 100% are against me". That is not a viewpoint that can be supported in a world of many nations.
The Doormouse
Peadge wrote:Party
The reason why is our continued policy of insanity of killing innocent people because someone else killed innocent people here. Party A kills
offB so we retaliate on Party C, who then attacks party D, who gets pissed
done. Ifand attacks party E, ad infinitum. Scapegoating is the path of least resistance, and gives the illusion that something is actually being
gas on the fire only increases the flames, we must’ve not used enough./snip/
To keep this thread on topic to the newsgroup, maybe we should use our Photoshop skills to replace the limbs, faces, etc. of these [terrorist] victims. Bush has at least one extra face…maybe he can donate it.
Peadge :-\
So in other words, it ‘s okay to stand by and do nothing while people are fed alive into a wood chipper? While people are being tortured, starved, raped, gassed gunned down and put in mass graves? That’s all right and the person who tried (and mostly succeeded) to stop it is a terrible person for refusing to do what the rest of the "civilized" world was doing about it, NOTHING? Do I have that right?—
Youth is wasted on the young!
Your little equation is faulty in that the death and destruction were much worse before the invasion and there was no sign of an end in sight. But that’s okay, right? Since it’s Bush and he’s a baaad man.
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deco_time wrote:
In news:DD typed:
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:54:42 -0700, "Peadge"
To keep this thread on topic to the newsgroup, maybe we should use our Photoshop skills to replace the limbs, faces, etc. of these
[terrorist] victims. Bush has at least one extra face…maybe he can
donate it.
Peadge :-\
would the world have been better, safer, without people like Bush, who do not fall on their knees in front of terrorists like you do? No, y
deco_time wrote:
War is messy. Sometimes the innocent are killed. But Saddam (with the sanctions)was responsible for the deaths of 15,000 kids under the age of 5 a year according to the UN. And that’s just a fraction of the killing and mayhem he was committing.
The alternative to fighting against it was to stand by and do nothing, which is what the world was doing (and many, like France profited from it). I don’t think the Pacifist view you espouse is morally defensible. Do you have a solution that no one has thought of? (Don’t say "diplomacy" PLEASE)
Things in Iraq are better with the potential to get much better. You don’t see it in the media, which is very biased, but many, perhaps most people there appreciate what the US has done.
The Doormouse wrote:
edjh wrote:Your little equation is faulty in that the death and destruction were much worse before the invasion and there was no sign of an end in sight.
The destruction of buildings was much worse during the invasion.
What about the destruction of Iraq’s infrastructure under Saddam? Yeah, buildings were destroyed. That happens in war. Our guys have been very careful in trying to minimize the damage. We’ve even refrained for leveling a few mosques which would have been fully justified.
The car
bombings, civil unrest and beheadings that you are so blithely ignoring
What gives you the idea that I am ignoring it? You don’t know what you are talking about.
were never a factor before. The torture of prisoners continued under US occupation, as it had under Saddam.
That is plain bull. The "torture" by some US soldiers was nothing compared to what Saddam was doing. Not even in the same universe. And those Americans are being punished for it, as they should be.
The civil unrest in Iraq has no end
So you say. I doubt you are correct. The civil unrest is only a small fraction of what most of the people in Iraq are doing. And much of that "civil unrest" is being done by foreign fighters who have been come to Iraq to cause trouble.
in sight, and US troops are there indefinately.
Nonsense.
"Insurgents" are
becoming a growing threat,
Actually they are being put down rather efficiently.
so much so that even our own troops have
begun to desert. Iraq is an unequivocal disaster.
Again, you don’t know what you are talking about. How many deserters have there been? Three? You’re just parroting the media bull. The truth is that Iraq was a disaster under Saddam.
More of our babies die in Iraq every day,
I suppose you are calling the soldiers "babies". How condescending. The truth is that the casualties in this war have been rather low compared to other wars.
and you pontificate about the
morality of acting.
YOU accuse ME of pontificating???!!!!!
feh. Our actions with this tar baby were predicted
by our leadership and the entire world community warned us not to do it.
Untrue.
Now we eat it.
So you DO think it’s okay to feed people alive into a wood chipper? Rape rooms in dungeons are fine by you? Gassing entire villages is no big deal? Just want to be clear on that.
The Doormouse
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In news:edjh typed:/snip/
deco_time wrote:
Sean Hannity, is that you?
Peadge š
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:54:42 -0700, "Peadge"
To keep this thread on topic to the newsgroup, maybe we should use our Photoshop skills to replace the limbs, faces, etc. of these [terrorist] victims. Bush has at least one extra face…maybe he can donate it.
Peadge :-\
would the world have been better, safer, without people like Bush, who do not fall on their knees in front of terrorists like you do? No, y
Peadge wrote:
Sean Hannity, is that you?
Peadge š
/snip/
Sorry. I really don’t think this is a subject to make a joke of.
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Ya’all sleep tight, now, ya hear?
Peadge š
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:40:20 -0700, "Peadge"
wrote:
Ya’all sleep tight, now, ya hear?
Peadge š
‘kay, o’kay Peadge:-)
I did deserve a much more harsh answer then this. You accused someone else of having a limited vocabulary, and that could have being said to me as well, because English is not my home language.
(I can talk four languages, but there is of course a difference between talking and discussing:-)
The reason for my attack is because I live in a city (and country) where, if I walk down the street now after dark, any further then to only the cafe over the street, I must carry a gun. Carry a gun or the wasps will attack. A country where murders and hi-jacks are every days events. A country where inocent people get murdered and beheaded for the sake of muti (witch medicine ((wrd)) ).
And we hate this kind of living. Hijackers have tried to hijack me. In less then six week apart, two break-ins in my car for the sake of a radio. I am lucky. Other people can tell weird stories. This is a place where you dare not to stop for a hitchiker. I stopped for two ladies with a small child at eleven at night, at been attack by men hiding in the bushes. I got away. Even saved my car:-)
The world is sick. My heart goes out to an Palestinian girl with her baby sister or brother in her hands running over the street with blood on their faces. So do I feel about Iraqi women and children. So do I feel about woman and children in my own country fleeing from the wasps.
Peace Peadge:-)
Dave
Peadge wrote:
You left out the minor detail about the wasps killing, torturing, maiming and raping people by the tens of thousands each year. But they were being watched, so that didn’t matter.
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You’re right. I just get a little peeved when others twist my words around or "put words in my mouth" and reduce everything to an unreal2-dimensional
plane. For instance, you claiming "me and my kind" support "these killing bastards." I don’t support killing of any kind. I don’t even know what "my kind" means. When someone says there are only two choices, I also findthat
offensive to the discussion. And yes, much of my concern is for Bush’slame
way of dealing with this. And his Father’s policy…and Reagan’s. They are the ones who built Saddam up giving him the weapons to do the terrible things he did. But none of that mattered as long as we had access to cheap oil. Rather than giving him the means to do these things they could’ve taken them away.deserve.
But let’s take a look at your situation, which I’m sure you do not
Is this not exactly what I’ve been discussing? Is this not person A attacking person B, person B retaliating by attacking person C, who then attacks person D? I admire you for having the conscience not to attackback
but to flee with your life and luckily, some possessions. I just don’tthink
we can teach people to not kill innocent children by killing innocent children. If person A attacks person B, and person B retaliates,shouldn’t
person B retaliate against Person A? Doesn’t that make much more sense?Why
take it out on others?it
And about this muti, or witch medicine. Do you live in South Africa? Why does murder have to happen for this medicine? Is it in short supply? Is
considered illegal? Here in the United States we have a similar war. It’s called the War on Drugs. It is a war on drugs that are derived fromNature.
Plant based drugs mostly. We don’t like these drugs because they are not patentable. We prefer to use drugs that are derived from petroleum. Petroleum-based drugs are patentable and have great value. They may notwork
as well, or may be much more toxic than the natural ones, but they possess the ability to put vast sums of money into the fewest number of pockets.from
If you look at these natural drugs and their origins, you will find that their use parallels many religions. The Incas had coca, from which we get cocaine. Scientists have synthesized patentable forms of cocaine, like xylacaine, benzocaine, lidocaine, Novocain, procaine, but only cocaine is derived from Nature. The others are synthetic and cannot compete economically with the natural versions.
Ancient Greece had the religion of the Eleusinian Mysteries and drank a potion called kykeon. Strong evidence points to kykeon being a tea made
the ergot fungus from which Albert Hoffman synthesized LSD.It
Judeo-Christianity had wine and something called "strong drink." We don’t even really know what "strong drink" was, but we do know what it wasn’t.
wasn’t distilled liquor since distilling wasn’t discovered for over a 1000 years. The Bible also mentions cannabis, the Hebrew word kannabosm, which has been translated into "incense." Scientists have synthesized the THC molecule too, but it also cannot compete economically with the natural plant, which grows for free, so it has been outlawed.and
Hinduism had the sacrament soma, which was likely the Amanita Muscaria mushroom, which also appears cryptically in Judeo-Christianity. So muti and the witchcraft association fall into this same category of "medicines’ that have been subjected to the Pharmacratic Inquisition, of which the Bush family are major players.
My guess is that muti is a drug that may have enormous medical value, but has not yet been synthesized. Once synthesized, the price will skyrocket
natural muti will be outlawed, if it isn’t already.are
We don’t need to kill bugs with a sledge hammer, especially if the bugs
on children. And we need to identify which bugs are harmful and which bugs aren’t.
Peadge š
"DD" wrote in message
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:40:20 -0700, "Peadge"
wrote:
Ya’all sleep tight, now, ya hear?
Peadge š
‘kay, o’kay Peadge:-)
I did deserve a much more harsh answer then this. You accused someone else of having a limited vocabulary, and that could have being said to me as well, because English is not my home language.
(I can talk four languages, but there is of course a difference between talking and discussing:-)
The reason for my attack is because I live in a city (and country) where, if I walk down the street now after dark, any further then to only the cafe over the street, I must carry a gun. Carry a gun or the wasps will attack. A country where murders and hi-jacks are every days events. A country where inocent people get murdered and beheaded for the sake of muti (witch medicine ((wrd)) ).
And we hate this kind of living. Hijackers have tried to hijack me. In less then six week apart, two break-ins in my car for the sake of a radio. I am lucky. Other people can tell weird stories. This is a place where you dare not to stop for a hitchiker. I stopped for two ladies with a small child at eleven at night, at been attack by men hiding in the bushes. I got away. Even saved my car:-)
The world is sick. My heart goes out to an Palestinian girl with her baby sister or brother in her hands running over the street with blood on their faces. So do I feel about Iraqi women and children. So do I feel about woman and children in my own country fleeing from the wasps.
Peace Peadge:-)
Dave
edjh wrote:One comment:
Your little equation is faulty in that the death and destruction were much worse before the invasion and there was no sign of an end in sight.
The destruction of buildings was much worse during the invasion. The car bombings, civil unrest and beheadings that you are so blithely ignoring were never a factor before. The torture of prisoners continued under US occupation, as it had under Saddam. The civil unrest in Iraq has no end in sight, and US troops are there indefinately. "Insurgents" are becoming a growing threat, so much so that even our own troops have begun to desert. Iraq is an unequivocal disaster.
More of our babies die in Iraq every day, and you pontificate about the morality of acting. feh. Our actions with this tar baby were predicted by our leadership and the entire world community warned us not to do it. Now we eat it.
Re: "The alternative to fighting against it was to stand by and do nothing"The only problem with that comment is that I have seen no solution offered by those who oppose the war which would entail getting rid of Saddam immediately or in the very near future. All we ever hear is "you can’t invade a sovereign country". That means that you can commit any atrocities you want as long as it’s within your own borders. That is *not* an answer as far as I’m concerned.
Anytime an argument is broken down to an either-or scenario, the person arguing has run out of ammunition. Two dimensional solutions do not work in a four dimensional world.
The Wasp Nest (An Analogy):Games are all very well, but in the real world, so, here’s a what if for you to match your game:
The only problem with that comment is that I have seen no solution offered by those who oppose the war which would entail getting rid of Saddam immediately or in the very near future. All we ever hear is "you can’t invade a sovereign country". That means that you can commit any atrocities you want as long as it’s within your own borders. That is *not* an answer as far as I’m concerned.
Oh, and I can’t stand Bush, btw.
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:42:36 GMT, The Doormouse
wrote:
edjh wrote:One comment:
Your little equation is faulty in that the death and destruction were much worse before the invasion and there was no sign of an end in sight.
The destruction of buildings was much worse during the invasion. The car bombings, civil unrest and beheadings that you are so blithely ignoring were never a factor before. The torture of prisoners continued under US occupation, as it had under Saddam. The civil unrest in Iraq has no end in sight, and US troops are there indefinately. "Insurgents" are becoming a growing threat, so much so that even our own troops have begun to desert. Iraq is an unequivocal disaster.
More of our babies die in Iraq every day, and you pontificate about the morality of acting. feh. Our actions with this tar baby were predicted by our leadership and the entire world community warned us not to do it. Now we eat it.
Saddam was in power for 35 years. Human rights groups give a conservative estimate of the number of people killed during that period (not including the million + killed during the Iraq/Iran war) as 300, 000. That works out at approx. 8571 per year and 24 per day. That’s 24 people per day killed 24/7/365 for 35 years. Well, I’m sorry but that’s a damn good reason for getting rid of Saddam. On top of which, the more often that kind of action happens, the less likely megalomaniac dictators are to think that as long as it’s carried out within their own borders, they can kill as many people as they want.
—
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veni, vidi, reliqui
She lived in Iraq for 30 years, safely, under Saddam Hussein. It is only now that her life has been put into jeopardy. Indirectly, Bush is responsible for her abduction by creating the situation that is the "New Iraq".
Do you understand the broader implications of destabilizing an entire nation with no clear authority? It is a recipe for violence and civil unrest.
Either Bush is mostly incompetent, or his handlers feel that Iraq is best kept destabilized. I bet that lots of Iraqs’ resources will go missing, with no accountability. Money, oil, whatever.
The Doormouse
I’m going back to help people with REAL Photoshop questions.
Peadge :-/
"Peadge"
Dave
You don’t know what you are talking about.
If we’re going to do the right
thing, Let’s cease and desist on all the wrong things first. … You should pay more attention and watch less Fox News. Try the Daily Show for fake news. And lay off the tap water.
It is so funny that you have got ni criticism for Sadam & kie. For the murderes that behave like animals. This maybe shows where your simpathy are
It was an analogy about Saddam and Iraq, not the streets of America.
Peadge š
"edjh" wrote in message
edjh wrote:I hope it won’t take you ten years to figure out what’s going on.You don’t know what you are talking about.
You say that many times, as if it will become true. Ten years from now, you will know that I was right.
The Doormouse
Peadge wrote:
It was an analogy about Saddam and Iraq, not the streets of America.
Peadge š
"edjh" wrote in message
Yes and as I said,you left out the minor detail about the wasps killing, torturing, maiming and raping people by the tens of thousands each year. But they were being watched, so that didn’t matter.
Do you deny that happened under Saddam in Iraq?
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She lived in Iraq for 30 years, safely, under Saddam Hussein. It is only now that her life has been put into jeopardy. Indirectly, Bush is responsible for her abduction by creating the situation that is the "New Iraq".
Do you understand the broader implications of destabilizing an entire nation with no clear authority? It is a recipe for violence and civil unrest.
Either Bush is mostly incompetent, or his handlers feel that Iraq is best kept destabilized. I bet that lots of Iraqs’ resources will go missing, with no accountability. Money, oil, whatever.
The Doormouse
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I agree, Sean Hannity is a joke.
She lived in Iraq for 30 years, safely, under Saddam Hussein. It is only now that her life has been put into jeopardy. Indirectly, Bush is responsible for her abduction by creating the situation that is the "New Iraq".
Do you understand the broader implications of destabilizing an entire nation with no clear authority? It is a recipe for violence and civil unrest.
Either Bush is mostly incompetent, or his handlers feel that Iraq is best kept destabilized. I bet that lots of Iraqs’ resources will go missing, with no accountability. Money, oil, whatever.
The Doormouse
In news:Hecate typed:The only problem with that comment is that I have seen no solution offered by those who oppose the war which would entail getting rid of Saddam immediately or in the very near future. All we ever hear is "you can’t invade a sovereign country". That means that you can commit any atrocities you want as long as it’s within your own borders. That is *not* an answer as far as I’m concerned.
Oh, and I can’t stand Bush, btw.
I don’t think any sensible human being will or has disagreed that Saddam had to go; it’s the method that Bush chose that is wrong. This should have been an international cooperative action under the UN flag, with humanitarian relief organized ahead of time and a clear plan to stabilize the country after the demise of Saddam. Instead we’ve got this blind assault, which borders on terrorism itself, without ANY clear plan on how to manage the after-war, giving us this total mess of an operation. For Gods sake, we’re not talking about a bunch of hoodlum terrorizing a neighborhood here, but a whole country that had the whole lot of its institution and political system dismantled.
And yes, Bush is a complete moron.
I hope it won’t take you ten years to figure out what’s going on.
Do you think she used Photoshop?
he never even gave a second thought to the post war
Peadge wrote:
You left out the minor detail about the wasps killing, torturing, maiming and raping people by the tens of thousands each year. But they were being watched, so that didn’t matter.
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RicSeyler wrote:he never even gave a second thought to the post war
Quite true. Powell told him, "better have an exit strategy", but was silenced quickly.
The Doormouse
YEP………It’s only because Clinton was a PUSSY and Gore would have been a BIGGER PUSSY.
It wasn’t a noble thing to rush into Iraq like we did, and handle the post battle like we have,
the way the whole issue was handled was an utterly selfish thing to do….. And now we will have to battle the terrorists of the world all alone..
History will see the Bush Admin and the worst ever to date. Dangerous to our security
and Reckless with our country.
And the utter gall of the guy not being able to admit or see even one mistake made is sickening
and very very scarey…. They will ride roughshot over the country and our safety with impunity
for the next 4 years…. if elected. JMO.
edjh wrote:You haven’t figured it out yet.I hope it won’t take you ten years to figure out what’s going on.
It did not.
The Doormouse
Priorities don’t mean anything?????So then murder, torture, rape of people in the thousands is okay by you. right?
Using your reasoning, Saadam wasn’t the biggest threat to his own people and our people compared to others in the world right now!….. He was cherry picked for absolute personal reasons..
That’s a Neo Con Talking Point with no real merit…
Like the silly "We fight them over there so we don’t have to over here" Terrorists aren’t myopic like the Bush Admin they can actually do more than one thing at a time. Silly silly silly……
edjh wrote:
Peadge wrote:
You left out the minor detail about the wasps killing, torturing, maiming and raping people by the tens of thousands each year. But they were being watched, so that didn’t matter.
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edjh wrote:So then murder, torture, rape of people in the thousands is okay by you. right?Peadge wrote:It was an analogy about Saddam and Iraq, not the streets of America.
Peadge š
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Yes and as I said,you left out the minor detail about the wasps killing, torturing, maiming and raping people by the tens of thousands each year. But they were being watched, so that didn’t matter.
Do you deny that happened under Saddam in Iraq?
I actually think this is completely off-topic unless because of the use of 2 bit b&w š
I just want to give to you this quote, though I think it is useless, it needs ability to think to understand:)
"Naturally the common people don’t want war… but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country." — Hermann Goering, Nazi and war criminal, 1883-1946
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Poor Colin Powell, you can just see on his face that he knows he hitched his wagon to the wrong team… He could of been a great figure in our national history and now he is shackled with that image of him holding that vial of Ricin and talking about a fleet of mobile WMD labs that never existed… A tragic story.
They killed his career and his legacy.
You haven’t figured it out yet.
So then murder, torture, rape of people in the thousands is okay by you. right?
But the main part of my beef is trying to rationalize the killing of innocent children, or any innocent person for that matter by saying Saddam was a bad guy. He’s caught. He’s locked up. His days are numbered. And hopefully he’ll get what he deserves. And still the children die. To think that Saddam is worth the life of one child, much less over 1000 US service men and women is just plain wrong. His is a bug’s life. A virus.
You’re right, it may act as a deterrent to other megalomaniac dictators. But why do we have to build these guys up into such monsters in the first place? Is it really necessary? With hindsight, did we really need folks like Duvalier, Aristide, Pinochet, Noriega, Hussein, Franco or Thatcher? And don’t even get me going on the Christianity vs Islam aspect!
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Either Bush is mostly incompetent, or his handlers feel that Iraq is best kept destabilized. I bet that lots of Iraqs’ resources will go missing, with no accountability. Money, oil, whatever.I favour choice number 1. They didn’t think through what would need to be done afterwards, though that doesn’t make the initial invasion wrong in my view.
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The only problem with that comment is that I have seen no solution offered by those who oppose the war which would entail getting rid of Saddam immediately or in the very near future. All we ever hear is "you can’t invade a sovereign country". That means that you can commit any atrocities you want as long as it’s within your own borders. That is *not* an answer as far as I’m concerned.
Oh, and I can’t stand Bush, btw.
I don’t think any sensible human being will or has disagreed that Saddam had to go; it’s the method that Bush chose that is wrong. This should have been an international cooperative action under the UN flag, with humanitarian relief organized ahead of time and a clear plan to stabilize the country after the demise of Saddam.
Instead we’ve got this
blind assault, which borders on terrorism itself, without ANY clear plan on how to manage the after-war, giving us this total mess of an operation. For Gods sake, we’re not talking about a bunch of hoodlum terrorizing a neighborhood here, but a whole country that had the whole lot of its institution and political system dismantled.
And yes, Bush is a complete moron.
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If we’re going to do the right
thing, Let’s cease and desist on all the wrong things first. … You should pay more attention and watch less Fox News. Try the Daily Show for fake news. And lay off the tap water.
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edjh wrote:Nonsense. Why don’t you address the fact that the invasion stopped these things?So then murder, torture, rape of people in the thousands is okay by you. right?
Your argument lacks any merit and it would be wise of you to stop.
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edjh wrote:Nonsense. Why don’t you address the fact that the invasion stopped these things?So then murder, torture, rape of people in the thousands is okay by you. right?
Your argument lacks any merit and it would be wise of you to stop.
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You should pay more attention and watch less Fox News. Try the Daily Show for fake news. And lay off the tap water.
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So then murder, torture, rape of people in the thousands is okay by you. right?
So then murder, torture, rape of people in the thousands is okay by you. right?
And yes, Bush is a complete moron.
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I don’t think he has the mental capacity to be regarded as a moron.
Nonsense. Why don’t you address the fact that the invasion stopped these things?
Gotta give the NeoCons credit, their stuff really works on many..
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The Magician wrote:Not trying to be a smartass…but "neocon"…is this some new yuppy political buzzword…?
. and the all charm to match.
He seems to have charmed the socks off his neocon handlers š
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Not trying to be a smartass…but "neocon"…is this some new yuppy political buzzword…?
Linear Thinking, Myopic talking point….We probably would be and should be, if the majority of the rest of the free world weren’t utter chicken shits. The US can’t do it all alone, and it’s why we’re in this crappy mess in the first place.
I understand the point your trying to make but
those NeoCon talking points aren’t your strongest argument… But when you’ve been deluged with them it’s easy to repeat.
Why aren’t bombing the Sudan RIGHT NOW!!
It’s a travesty there right at this moment in time,
how bout all the massive suffering in N. Korea
happening right now..
"RicSeyler" wrote in messageAt least doing something about it… and I’m afraid we will be utterly alone in thisLinear Thinking, Myopic talking point….We probably would be and should be, if the majority of the rest of the free world weren’t utter chicken shits. The US can’t do it all alone, and it’s why we’re in this crappy mess in the first place.
I understand the point your trying to make but
those NeoCon talking points aren’t your strongest argument… But when you’ve been deluged with them it’s easy to repeat.
Why aren’t bombing the Sudan RIGHT NOW!!
It’s a travesty there right at this moment in time,
how bout all the massive suffering in N. Korea
happening right now..
On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:25:50 -0400, "deco_time" wrote:
In news:Hecate typed:
The only problem with that comment is that I have seen no solution offered by those who oppose the war which would entail getting rid of Saddam immediately or in the very near future. All we ever hear is "you can’t invade a sovereign country". That means that you can commit any atrocities you want as long as it’s within your own borders. That is *not* an answer as far as I’m concerned.
Oh, and I can’t stand Bush, btw.
I don’t think any sensible human being will or has disagreed that Saddam had to go; it’s the method that Bush chose that is wrong. This should have been an international cooperative action under the UN flag, with humanitarian relief organized ahead of time and a clear plan to stabilize the country after the demise of Saddam.
I agree, but the UN would do what it always has done, and will do, sit on it’s arse and let people die because the other dictatorships in the UN will never let the UN act against one of their own for fear they were next.
Instead we’ve got this
blind assault, which borders on terrorism itself, without ANY clear plan on how to manage the after-war, giving us this total mess of an operation. For Gods sake, we’re not talking about a bunch of hoodlum terrorizing a neighborhood here, but a whole country that had the whole lot of its institution and political system dismantled.
Actually, we’re talking about a bunch of hoodlums who terrorised a whole country rather than just a neighbourhood.
And it didn’t have any institutions or political system other than you do what Saddam says or you die (but not until you’re screaming in agony from the torture).
And yes, Bush is a complete moron.
Dictionary definition:
A mentally retarded person who has a potential mental age of between 8 and 12 years and is capable of doing routine work under supervision
I don’t think he has the mental capacity to be regarded as a moron.
RicSeyler wrote:So you are against these things but it’s okay to do nothing about them? Do I have that right?Gotta give the NeoCons credit, their stuff really works on many..
Well, sure. It appeals to the first basic emotional responses that one might have. "Of course I’m against <list moral outrage here> …"
Lazy thinkers, of which there are MANY, can then stop thinking at that point.
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It didn’t stop them. It merely allowed countless others the opportunity to do the same, and more.
edjh wrote:You really think the Abu Ghraib scandal comes close to what Saddam was doing? You are the oblivious one. Again, you don’t knew what you are talking about.Nonsense. Why don’t you address the fact that the invasion stopped these things?
The documented torture and rape of Iraqis that occured under orders at the Abu Gharaib prison is one direct and obvious example that these things did not stop – the uniforms merely changed.
There are other examples, but you seem fairly oblivious.
The Doormouse
Linear Thinking, Myopic talking point….Oh, good reason to do nothing!By the way I am not a neocon.
I understand the point your trying to make but
those NeoCon talking points aren’t your strongest argument… But when you’ve been deluged with them it’s easy to repeat.
Why aren’t bombing the Sudan RIGHT NOW!!
It’s a travesty there right at this moment in time,
how bout all the massive suffering in N. Korea
happening right now..
So then murder, torture, rape of people in the thousands is okay by you. right?
Gotta give the NeoCons credit, their stuff really works on many..
edjh wrote:
So then murder, torture, rape of people in the thousands is okay by you. right?
No it’s not OK by me………….
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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 19:26:47 -0700, "Peadge"Saddam
wrote:But the main part of my beef is trying to rationalize the killing of innocent children, or any innocent person for that matter by saying
thinkwas a bad guy. He’s caught. He’s locked up. His days are numbered. And hopefully he’ll get what he deserves. And still the children die. To
servicethat Saddam is worth the life of one child, much less over 1000 US
Butmen and women is just plain wrong. His is a bug’s life. A virus.
There’s a difference. Leaving Saddam in power means a lot more children killed than the have been, or will be killed due to the invasion.
You’re right, it may act as a deterrent to other megalomaniac dictators.
place?why do we have to build these guys up into such monsters in the first
Is it really necessary? With hindsight, did we really need folks like Duvalier, Aristide, Pinochet, Noriega, Hussein, Franco or Thatcher? And don’t even get me going on the Christianity vs Islam aspect!
I agree with that completely š
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It is so funny that you have got ni criticism for Sadam & kie. For the murderes that behave like animals. This maybe shows where your simpathy are
If anyone has ever thought that I am a mean person, at least the smart
will recognize the slack that you are getting right now.
Plus, it’s off-topic.
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The UN is pathetically ineffective. If we (America) want soemthing, it’s ours. No "if’s". No "and’s". No "buts". Now that’s scary.
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It didn’t stop them. It merely allowed countless others the opportunity
do the same, and more.
Sorry, that’s just not true. The level of violence and torture were much much higher under Saddam than what’s going on now. Don’t believe me, check the UN or Human Rights organizations. You are just flat out uninformed.
Whether he showed that stuff on TV is irrelevant. He used to have live executions in stadiums fer cryin’ out loud.
By the way, this was all part of the testimony before the UN and Parliament leading up to the war. WMD was NOT the sole or even the main issue.
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Linear Thinking, Myopic talking point….Oh, good reason to do nothing!By the way I am not a neocon.
I understand the point your trying to make but
those NeoCon talking points aren’t your strongest argument… But when you’ve been deluged with them it’s easy to repeat.
Why aren’t bombing the Sudan RIGHT NOW!!
It’s a travesty there right at this moment in time,
how bout all the massive suffering in N. Korea
happening right now..
So then murder, torture, rape of people in the thousands is okay by you. right?
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Rather than call me names, why not address the issues at hand?
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I suppose that killing LESS children is better if that’s the perspective you find comfortable. Kinda like the serial rapist who cuts back to raping on just the weekends, right? Oh, how his soul glows warmer and brighter. I just fail to see why killing any children is necessary. There are scary similarities between our killing them and Saddam killing them. When we kill them it’s not really murder it’s merely "collateral damage" which is "legal" and therefore "OK." When Saddam killed them it was part of his leadership policy, which was "legal" and therefore "OK." In both cases guilt and punishment are minimized and discarded. Sad. From a parent’s perspective both killers probably look the same.No, killing children, whether intentionally or not is wrong. That doesn’t mean that letting Saddam go doing it is right. If you took that attitude generally, then you would never stop anyone doing anything in case it had the side effect of a lesser evil. Would you have preferred it if Hitler had been allowed to carry on killing people?
Hecate wrote:
No, killing children, whether intentionally or not is wrong. That doesn’t mean that letting Saddam go doing it is right. If you took that attitude generally, then you would never stop anyone doing anything in case it had the side effect of a lesser evil. Would you have preferred it if Hitler had been allowed to carry on killing people?
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I guess the words "allow" or "let" don’t ring as truthfully in my ear as does the word "enable." Ask your question using "enable" and you’ll see where I’m coming from. It’s a fine distinction, but one of major significance, at least for reducing ambiguity.
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RicSeyler wrote:
Linear Thinking, Myopic talking point….Oh, good reason to do nothing!By the way I am not a neocon.
I understand the point your trying to make but
those NeoCon talking points aren’t your strongest argument… But when you’ve been deluged with them it’s easy to repeat.
Why aren’t bombing the Sudan RIGHT NOW!!
It’s a travesty there right at this moment in time,
how bout all the massive suffering in N. Korea
happening right now..
So then murder, torture, rape of people in the thousands is okay by you. right?
…….Edwards will be in charge, do you REALLY want that? I don’t thinkso.
In article <NL8fd.198174$>,
says…YEP………It’s only because Clinton was a PUSSY and Gore would have been a BIGGER PUSSY.
It wasn’t a noble thing to rush into Iraq like we did, and handle the post battle like we have,
the way the whole issue was handled was an utterly selfish thing to do….. And now we will have to battle the terrorists of the world all alone..
History will see the Bush Admin and the worst ever to date. Dangerous to our security
and Reckless with our country.
And the utter gall of the guy not being able to admit or see even one mistake made is sickening
and very very scarey…. They will ride roughshot over the country and our safety with impunity
for the next 4 years…. if elected. JMO.
Clinton was all but handed Osama Bin Laden and he turned his head to ignore it.
Do you recall Clinton admitting to even one mistake of his? Hell, we all knew about the blowjobs and he couldn’t even admit that he got one from Lewinsky.
If Kerry is elected, I predict he’ll somehow be erased and then Edwards will be in charge, do you REALLY want that? I don’t think so.
…….Edwards will be in charge, do you REALLY want that? I don’t thinkso.
Is that ever the scariest thought you could imagine? The only real reason needed to keep Kerry out of there.
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Godwin! ;P
If Kerry is elected, I predict he’ll somehow be erased and then Edwards will be in charge, do you REALLY want that? I don’t think so.
YEP………It’s only because Clinton was a PUSSY and Gore would have been a BIGGER PUSSY.
It wasn’t a noble thing to rush into Iraq like we did, and handle the post battle like we have,
the way the whole issue was handled was an utterly selfish thing to do….. And now we will have to battle the terrorists of the world all alone..
History will see the Bush Admin and the worst ever to date. Dangerous to our security
and Reckless with our country.
And the utter gall of the guy not being able to admit or see even one mistake made is sickening
and very very scarey…. They will ride roughshot over the country and our safety with impunity
for the next 4 years…. if elected. JMO.
In article <NL8fd.198174$>,
says…YEP………It’s only because Clinton was a PUSSY and Gore would have been a BIGGER PUSSY.
It wasn’t a noble thing to rush into Iraq like we did, and handle the post battle like we have,
the way the whole issue was handled was an utterly selfish thing to do….. And now we will have to battle the terrorists of the world all alone..
History will see the Bush Admin and the worst ever to date. Dangerous to our security
and Reckless with our country.
And the utter gall of the guy not being able to admit or see even one mistake made is sickening
and very very scarey…. They will ride roughshot over the country and our safety with impunity
for the next 4 years…. if elected. JMO.
Clinton was all but handed Osama Bin Laden and he turned his head to ignore it.
Do you recall Clinton admitting to even one mistake of his? Hell, we all knew about the blowjobs and he couldn’t even admit that he got one from Lewinsky.
If Kerry is elected, I predict he’ll somehow be erased and then Edwards will be in charge, do you REALLY want that? I don’t think so.
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To all the Bush supporters in the thread…..
Just want to say congrats on your guy winning.
I’m a big "Fairness and Rules" kinda guy and Bush won the election by the rules.. It was a fair election
(won’t say that about the his campaign but the election was.
It pains me to see Bush in there for another 4 years but the rules work both ways and he got it. And lets hope for the best.
Again congrats to all you Bush supporters.
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