creative suite 2 installation

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Dennis Lubert
Aug 19, 2005
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Hi,

hope this is a good place to ask…
recently I was assisting a company in installing creative suite 2 on their computers, and it went fine on 5 out of 6 computers, on one of them the installation crashes. I have tried all adobe.com troubleshooting tips (manually removing all evidences of previous installations, though there werent any, copied all data on hdd and from there start setup.exe from the suite directly etc.) but it didnt help. All the computers have similar setups and hardware (all recent AMDs with 2GB of RAM, lots of HDD and WinXP SP2 Pro, hardware seems ok, verified with memtest86+ and mprime). I tried and could install the single products all one by one, but they want their own cd keys I dont have. And I think there must be a special order since I managed to install some of them in a trial mode, and there the help didn’t work.
So anyone has an idea what went wrong ? (Or better how to fix it. Maybe the order in which the programs are installed, so I can perhaps somehow manage to install them manually in the right order)

greets

Dennis

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Dennis Lubert
Aug 20, 2005
Kingdom wrote:

Dennis Lubert wrote in
news:de5lfg$hds$:

If it didn’t roll in as expected then leave it, their OS is very probably corrupt, if your getting paid only for the install then why bother with anything else?

Tell them to sort the OS and come back later.

Im getting payed on a per-hour base for getting this thing to work (without reinstalling the OS) but that was not the question, the question was what I can do to get things right, since it is the installers setup.exe that crashes, so the bug is there and triggered by something else on the system.
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Roberto
Aug 20, 2005
"Dennis Lubert" wrote in message
Im getting payed on a per-hour base for getting this thing to work (without
reinstalling the OS) but that was not the question, the question was what I
can do to get things right, since it is the installers setup.exe that crashes, so the bug is there and triggered by something else on the system.

How do you know the installer itself is not corrupt? Anywho, call Adobe’s help line. Charge for the wait and response time.
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Dennis Lubert
Aug 22, 2005
Lorem Ipsum wrote:

"Dennis Lubert" wrote in message
Im getting payed on a per-hour base for getting this thing to work (without
reinstalling the OS) but that was not the question, the question was what I
can do to get things right, since it is the installers setup.exe that crashes, so the bug is there and triggered by something else on the system.

How do you know the installer itself is not corrupt? Anywho, call Adobe’s help line. Charge for the wait and response time.
What do you mean by "corrupt" ? Of course it has a bug, otherwise it wont crash. But on all the other systems it works fine. I indeed have called Adobes help line, and they told me that they generally don’t support AMD hardware in their support and that its almost sure that my hardware is defect and that I should get a P4 and try it on this.
So what I did is taking a similar system, exchanging harddisks, and trying there (after 3 windows restarts because of all the new hardware found *sigh*), and guess what happens ? *crash*
Looks like theres nothing else one can do than reinstalling the OS… If thats in the sense of big software manufactors…. wow, then its crap…

greets

Dennis
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John
Aug 22, 2005
"Dennis Lubert" wrote in message
Looks like theres nothing else one can do than reinstalling the OS… If thats in the sense of big software manufactors…. wow, then its crap…
greets

Dennis

Just a thought, but have you checked that there isn’t a different graphics card in the computer that doesn’t install properly? If there was an issue with the graphics driver, it could cause the installer to crash perhaps?

It doesn’t make sense if all the machines have similar architectures and are running the same OS that only one would have a problem unless there was a specific hardware difference – the video card is the first one which springs to my mind.
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Dennis Lubert
Aug 22, 2005
John wrote:

Just a thought, but have you checked that there isn’t a different graphics card in the computer that doesn’t install properly? If there was an issue with the graphics driver, it could cause the installer to crash perhaps?
It doesn’t make sense if all the machines have similar architectures and are running the same OS that only one would have a problem unless there was a specific hardware difference – the video card is the first one which springs to my mind.
I have re-installed the video driver of the nvidia card (its the same as in some other computer) but it didnt help. That does not wonder me since, seriously, why should a setup crash because of a graphic card driver… if one of the programs would crash, ok, but not the setup. Loading the crash into a debugger it looks like it has read in some configuration files and options and is now evaluating this. What I suspect is that a dll is loaded that is only on this system (or only in this version on this system)… I will now search for some tool that can compare the .dll-hell set on a certain computer…

greets

Dennis
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Dennis Lubert
Aug 22, 2005
Dennis Lubert wrote:

I have re-installed the video driver of the nvidia card (its the same as in some other computer) but it didnt help. That does not wonder me since, seriously, why should a setup crash because of a graphic card driver… if one of the programs would crash, ok, but not the setup. Loading the crash into a debugger it looks like it has read in some configuration files and options and is now evaluating this. What I suspect is that a dll is loaded that is only on this system (or only in this version on this system)… I will now search for some tool that can compare the .dll-hell set on a certain computer…

*investigation-update*

I have looked around a bit with some sysinternal tools, and found in the setup log the following:

Executing expression: CheckForVCPorts
Now Executing Expression IsPortinUse

Right after that there no action for ~9 seconds, and then there is the crash. So it looks like the setup stuff tries to check for some VCPorts and fails, whatever that is. Anyon has an idea ? Or an Idea where it fails ?

greets

Dennis
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Dennis Lubert
Aug 22, 2005
Dennis Lubert wrote:
*investigation-update*

I have looked around a bit with some sysinternal tools, and found in the setup log the following:

Executing expression: CheckForVCPorts
Now Executing Expression IsPortinUse

Right after that there no action for ~9 seconds, and then there is the crash. So it looks like the setup stuff tries to check for some VCPorts and fails, whatever that is. Anyon has an idea ? Or an Idea where it fails ?

Ok, for anyone who is interested in the solution… The computer has installed an older DVB-T Card (Hauppauge Nova-TV) whose driver installs itself as a network device. It looks like the setup fails to check properly (or handle the maybe unusual return) the open ports on this device for VersionCue. Now the install goes on, curiously it says that VersionCue is already installed, dunno how why it thinks that, but I will just install it over…

greets

Dennis

PS: If anyone of Adobe reads this, you should add it to you knowledge base, best is replace the "installer does not run on amd" with "installer does not run with active nova-tv"
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Hecate
Aug 22, 2005
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 13:28:40 +0200, Dennis Lubert
wrote:

How do you know the installer itself is not corrupt? Anywho, call Adobe’s help line. Charge for the wait and response time.

What do you mean by "corrupt" ? Of course it has a bug, otherwise it wont crash.

There’s a difference between a bug and "corrupt". If it’s a bug, then lots of people have the problem and Adobe gets it’s helplines swamped. If however, it’s a CD *writing* error, where the file is *corrupted* in the writing process, then that’s something different.

But on all the other systems it works fine. I indeed have called Adobes help line, and they told me that they generally don’t support AMD hardware in their support and that its almost sure that my hardware is defect and that I should get a P4 and try it on this.

Then the person you talked to has an IQ smaller than his shoe size as that’s the most complete and utter rubbish I’ve ever heard from a member of the Adobe support team.

So what I did is taking a similar system, exchanging harddisks, and trying there (after 3 windows restarts because of all the new hardware found *sigh*), and guess what happens ? *crash*

Of course, that’s likely because you either have a corrupted file or a bad CD.

Looks like theres nothing else one can do than reinstalling the OS… If thats in the sense of big software manufactors…. wow, then its crap…
Yes, it is. Try support again and see if you can get someone above the level of idiot this time.



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Hecate
Aug 22, 2005
On Mon, 22 Aug 2005 19:39:39 +0200, Dennis Lubert
wrote:

PS: If anyone of Adobe reads this, you should add it to you knowledge base, best is replace the "installer does not run on amd" with "installer does not run with active nova-tv"

I don’t think it’s likely that the Adobe support person who gave you the "advice" about AMD *can* read…



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