Photo Organizer

Annon User wrote:

I’m looking for a simple photo organizer where I can have all my photos in a folder, assign keywords to them, and in turn, be able to query the keyword and bring up the images that match it. It would also be nice if, when I download a picture, the program would ask me to specify they keywords for it.

I’ve checked some of the ones out there, but they all have a hundred other features I don’t care for, or don’t do what I want them to.

Google offers a free one called Picassa.
I really like it

Stephan

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 17:11:52 -0500, "Annon User" wrote:

I’m looking for a simple photo organizer where I can have all my photos in a folder, assign keywords to them, and in turn, be able to query the keyword and bring up the images that match it. It would also be nice if, when I download a picture, the program would ask me to specify they keywords for it.

I’ve checked some of the ones out there, but they all have a hundred other features I don’t care for, or don’t do what I want them to.
Thanks.

ThumbsPlus (www.cerious.com)

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Are you saying that you require more than your operating system to name and manage image files or do you collect applications for a hobby? 😉

"Annon User" wrote in message

I’m looking for a simple photo organizer where I can have all my photos in

a

folder, assign keywords to them, and in turn, be able to query the keyword and bring up the images that match it. It would also be nice if, when I download a picture, the program would ask me to specify they keywords for it.

I’ve checked some of the ones out there, but they all have a hundred other features I don’t care for, or don’t do what I want them to.
Thanks.

LOL! I feel this a bit myself.

I have Irfanview it helps when I want to do some stuff. I have PSCS – the workhorse. This is what the final work is carried out on. I have Visere (I think it is for quick dip into EXIF kinda stuff, Picasa – great for overviewing and selecting images into shortlisted stuff maybe for planning a print run

Iexif – well, anyone who doesn’t have Iexif don know what they are missing – great for EXIF on the trot and I think a few more that happened along with the camera eg FinePixViewer

But guess what Win XP tells me is my most used bit of software?

<blush> MS Photo Editor

Aerticeus

"Meldon" wrote in message

Are you saying that you require more than your operating system to name and
manage image files or do you collect applications for a hobby? 😉

"Annon User" wrote in message

I’m looking for a simple photo organizer where I can have all my photos in

a

folder, assign keywords to them, and in turn, be able to query the keyword
and bring up the images that match it. It would also be nice if, when I download a picture, the program would ask me to specify they keywords for it.

I’ve checked some of the ones out there, but they all have a hundred other
features I don’t care for, or don’t do what I want them to.
Thanks.

Aerticeus wrote:

LOL! I feel this a bit myself.

I have Irfanview it helps when I want to do some stuff. I have PSCS – the workhorse. This is what the final work is carried out on. I have Visere (I think it is for quick dip into EXIF kinda stuff, Picasa – great for overviewing and selecting images into shortlisted stuff maybe for planning a print run

Iexif – well, anyone who doesn’t have Iexif don know what they are missing – great for EXIF on the trot and I think a few more that happened along with the camera eg FinePixViewer

But guess what Win XP tells me is my most used bit of software?
<blush> MS Photo Editor

Aerticeus

Irfan displays the complete EXIF data.

Stephan

Meldon wrote:

Are you saying that you require more than your operating system to name and manage image files or do you collect applications for a hobby? 😉

Are you saying you answer question without reading them first? Or did you really find a way to assign keywords in Windows?

Stephan

"Annon User" wrote in message

I’m looking for a simple photo organizer where I can have all my photos in

a

folder, assign keywords to them, and in turn, be able to query the keyword and bring up the images that match it. It would also be nice if, when I download a picture, the program would ask me to specify they keywords for it.

I’ve checked some of the ones out there, but they all have a hundred other features I don’t care for, or don’t do what I want them to.
Thanks.

"Stephan" wrote in message

Meldon wrote:

Are you saying that you require more than your operating system to name

and

manage image files or do you collect applications for a hobby? 😉

Are you saying you answer question without reading them first? Or did you really find a way to assign keywords in Windows?
Stephan

Not everyone here uses PS. I’m one. I’m still not clear why the feature you describe is necessary. For instance, if Windows (or MAC) can manage filenames with (somewhere around) 256 characters, and you can build folders and sub folders, search for keywords, and view thumbnails, to name a few, I’m wondering what significant advantage a slew of third-party programs provide.

You may not have considered the fact that data for the filename is contained within the file’s code. When you access such things as author information in Word for example, you’re hitting the same region of data. Third party apps use that data region also (let’s call it a header) to "communicate" with the file. From there the app can do whatever it needs to within or outside of the file (like make logs and files to track your settings etc.).

In essence you’re using an interface to modify the same information that windows otherwise has, as a native function (Windows Explorer, Find Files and Folder, search, etc.)

Just wondering.

Meldon wrote:

"Stephan" wrote in message

Not everyone here uses PS. I’m one. I’m still not clear why the feature you describe is necessary. For instance, if Windows (or MAC) can manage filenames with (somewhere around) 256 characters, and you can build folders and sub folders, search for keywords, and view thumbnails, to name a few, I’m wondering what significant advantage a slew of third-party programs provide.

Then read about what ACDC, Portfolio and other application can do for you instead of "wondering"
and before telling people to use Windows and its useless search capabilities.

You may not have considered the fact that data for the filename is contained within the file’s code. When you access such things as author information in Word for example, you’re hitting the same region of data. Third party apps use that data region also (let’s call it a header) to "communicate" with the file. From there the app can do whatever it needs to within or outside of the file (like make logs and files to track your settings etc.).
In essence you’re using an interface to modify the same information that windows otherwise has, as a native function (Windows Explorer, Find Files and Folder, search, etc.)

In essence why use Dreamweaver when you can use NotePad to generate HTML files, right?

Just wondering.

Stop wondering and start educating yourself.

Stephan

"Stephan" wrote in message

…
Stop wondering and start educating yourself.

Stephan

I thought I was.

Hi Meldon

Ask a question = accept the respones?

Anyway – I share the general dilemma

But should a file manager be too technical or should it be intuitive?

Or maybe both as options?

Then why snag something in to the operating system about which a 3rd party may have no influence or prior knowledge of planned changes?

Then, of course, there is the hoary old chestnut of what to do with offline images in storage.

If they ain’t on the ‘pooter they ain’t part of the search algorithms or are they?

It really is an area for some funtastical research and when, for example, in another 2 or 3 years or sooner – the hard drive balks at standing stored images what happens?

Do we assume that all digital camera users will know how to insert, configure a new drive then transfer the images?

It really is a wonderful problem looking for unique solutions at portable, standalone and network levels

Aerticeus

"Meldon" wrote in message

"Stephan" wrote in message

…
Stop wondering and start educating yourself.

Stephan

I thought I was.

"Aerticeus" wrote in message

Hi Meldon

Ask a question = accept the respones?

Please do!

Anyway – I share the general dilemma

But should a file manager be too technical or should it be intuitive?
Or maybe both as options?

Then why snag something in to the operating system about which a 3rd party may have no influence or prior knowledge of planned changes?

This is a good point with two ways of looking at it. You’re darn tootin it’ll screw up the third party especially when all those user settings and data are likely proprietory code to the 3PA. I would not recommend doing both that’s for sure. I’m glad you mentioned it.

Then, of course, there is the hoary old chestnut of what to do with

offline

images in storage.

Not sure if it’s an option for you but as you may know they can be disabled. They are a b*tch.

If they ain’t on the ‘pooter they ain’t part of the search algorithms or

are

they?

Never though of that one. Offline storage is just a bunch of temp files. Compression might be an issue and I’m not sure if they’re compressed but you raise an interesting question. Does it have an application?

It really is an area for some funtastical research and when, for example,

in

another 2 or 3 years or sooner – the hard drive balks at standing stored images what happens?

Drive space? Uh, people only have one set of images and they’re on the harddrive? That could be dangerous.

Do we assume that all digital camera users will know how to insert, configure a new drive then transfer the images?

Hardly.

It really is a wonderful problem looking for unique solutions at portable, standalone and network levels

Proprietary backup application for image files? I dunno.. what’s your concept?

"Aerticeus" wrote in message

Hi Meldon

Ask a question = accept the respones?

Please do!

Anyway – I share the general dilemma

But should a file manager be too technical or should it be intuitive?
Or maybe both as options?

Then why snag something in to the operating system about which a 3rd party may have no influence or prior knowledge of planned changes?

This is a good point with two ways of looking at it. You’re darn tootin it’ll screw up the third party especially when all those user settings and data are likely proprietary code to the 3PA. I would not recommend doing both that’s for sure. I’m glad you mentioned it.

Then, of course, there is the hoary old chestnut of what to do with

offline

images in storage.

Not sure if it’s an option for you but as you may know they can be disabled. They are a b*tch.

If they ain’t on the ‘pooter they ain’t part of the search algorithms or

are

they?

Never though of that one. Offline storage is just a bunch of temp files. Compression might be an issue and I’m not sure if they’re compressed but you raise an interesting question. Does it have an application?

It really is an area for some funtastical research and when, for example,

in

another 2 or 3 years or sooner – the hard drive balks at standing stored images what happens?

Drive space? Uh, people only have one set of images and they’re on the hard drive? That could be dangerous.

Do we assume that all digital camera users will know how to insert, configure a new drive then transfer the images?

Hardly.

It really is a wonderful problem looking for unique solutions at portable, standalone and network levels

Proprietary backup application for image files? I dunno.. what’s your concept?

Meldon wrote:

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Proprietary backup application for image files? I dunno.. what’s your concept?

What are you guys talking about? Why proprietary?
Just buy Acronis True image and a couple of drives.(External drives,easy) Where is the problem? You back up your files and your catalog, et voila.

Stephan

Yeah, what he said. 😉

I mentioned proprietary with regard to the information image managers store (some speculation here. I haven’t used them other than the ones I get with imaging hardware). Let’s say you’ve got your stuff all tweaked out in your image management software. Then you go to Windows Explorer and start f*ing with all your image directories. You go back into your image manager and what happens?

Likewise, if you build a catalogue in one program, I would assume it unlikely to be usable in another one. This stands to reason since you don’t necessarily wish to be compatible with a competitor, speaking from a manufacturer’s standpoint.

Sorry for drifting.

"Stephan" wrote in message

Meldon wrote:

snip

Proprietary backup application for image files? I dunno.. what’s your concept?

What are you guys talking about? Why proprietary?
Just buy Acronis True image and a couple of drives.(External drives,easy) Where is the problem? You back up your files and your catalog, et voila.
Stephan

Meldon wrote:

Yeah, what he said. 😉

I mentioned proprietary with regard to the information image managers store (some speculation here. I haven’t used them other than the ones I get with imaging hardware). Let’s say you’ve got your stuff all tweaked out in your image management software. Then you go to Windows Explorer and start f*ing with all your image directories. You go back into your image manager and what happens?

Nothing happens! If you search for you "hawaii-beach-1985" pictures you still find them.

snip<

"Stephan" wrote in message

Meldon wrote:

Yeah, what he said. 😉

I mentioned proprietary with regard to the information image managers

store

(some speculation here. I haven’t used them other than the ones I get

with

imaging hardware). Let’s say you’ve got your stuff all tweaked out in

your

image management software. Then you go to Windows Explorer and start

f*ing

with all your image directories. You go back into your image manager and what happens?

Nothing happens! If you search for you "hawaii-beach-1985" pictures you still find them.

Back to my original point, what benefits are available in comparison to windows itself? (Remember I’m a potential consumer). If I can search my image folders for filenames using keyword searches and those filenames are 200+ characters, why do I need a 3P image manager? Don’t get me wrong. I am dependant on one myself to build a gallery page I put on the web. In this case, the advantage a 3P app offers which windows doesn’t is the ability to build a gallery using the image catalogue in the app.

Are you with me?

Meldon wrote:

"Stephan" wrote in message

Meldon wrote:

Yeah, what he said. 😉

I mentioned proprietary with regard to the information image managers

store

(some speculation here. I haven’t used them other than the ones I get

with

imaging hardware). Let’s say you’ve got your stuff all tweaked out in

your

image management software. Then you go to Windows Explorer and start

f*ing

with all your image directories. You go back into your image manager and what happens?

Nothing happens! If you search for you "hawaii-beach-1985" pictures you still find them.

Back to my original point, what benefits are available in comparison to windows itself? (Remember I’m a potential consumer). If I can search my image folders for filenames using keyword searches and those filenames are 200+ characters, why do I need a 3P image manager? Don’t get me wrong. I am dependant on one myself to build a gallery page I put on the web. In this case, the advantage a 3P app offers which windows doesn’t is the ability to build a gallery using the image catalogue in the app.

Are you with me?

Look, I don’t have time or energy to spend explaining you why a 3P app will help you in this case.
Why don’t you download the free app offered by Google called Picassa. Install it, play with it you will see. Windows simply sucks you’ll figure this out by yourself quickly enough. Maybe just the fact that you can change the thumbnails size will make my point.

Stephan

Hi Stephan

Maybe I’ve made a mistake in which case please forgive me in advance

Picasa is good, fantastic and a great way to get an overview of images. It works quite quickly and I suppose it, for me, is the digital equivalent of picking up a *real* photo album and flicking through it quite quickly. Say, flicking through a page at a time if you know what I mean.

But it can’t do keyword searches (can it?)

And it can’t store offline images (can it?)

Now does it reveal EXIF or IPTC – but as an image overview it is grand

The trade off seems to be that the more a digital image browser does the slower it gets. The more singular a digital image browser is the quicker it becomes. Hey-ho…

Aerticeus

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:11:57 -0500, "Meldon"
wrote:

Yeah, what he said. 😉

I mentioned proprietary with regard to the information image managers store (some speculation here. I haven’t used them other than the ones I get with imaging hardware). Let’s say you’ve got your stuff all tweaked out in your image management software. Then you go to Windows Explorer and start f*ing with all your image directories. You go back into your image manager and what happens?

Likewise, if you build a catalogue in one program, I would assume it unlikely to be usable in another one. This stands to reason since you don’t necessarily wish to be compatible with a competitor, speaking from a manufacturer’s standpoint.

Sorry for drifting.

Unless you use ThumbsPlus fro cerious. TP uses the standard Access format and can be well, accessed, via TP or Access or MS SQL or MySQL or Postgres, or any other database software that recognises the format. The catalogue remains live, can be altered, and includes thumbnails for offline CD/DVD (which means you don’t even have to load the image unless you want to do something to it). It’s fully compliant with SQL commands and so forth, and very flexible.

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veni, vidi, reliqui

On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:32:41 GMT, "Aerticeus" wrote:

Hi Stephan

Maybe I’ve made a mistake in which case please forgive me in advance
Picasa is good, fantastic and a great way to get an overview of images. It works quite quickly and I suppose it, for me, is the digital equivalent of picking up a *real* photo album and flicking through it quite quickly. Say, flicking through a page at a time if you know what I mean.
But it can’t do keyword searches (can it?)

And it can’t store offline images (can it?)

Now does it reveal EXIF or IPTC – but as an image overview it is grand
The trade off seems to be that the more a digital image browser does the slower it gets. The more singular a digital image browser is the quicker it becomes. Hey-ho…

Not necessarily. see Thumbs Plus.

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Hecate – The Real One

veni, vidi, reliqui

"Stephan" wrote in message

…

Look, I don’t have time or energy to spend explaining you why a 3P app will help you in this case.
Why don’t you download the free app offered by Google called Picassa. Install it, play with it you will see. Windows simply sucks you’ll figure this out by yourself quickly enough. Maybe just the fact that you can change the thumbnails size will make my point.

Stephan

Thanks S. That’s a good suggestion. I’ll check it out.

"Hecate" wrote in message

..

Unless you use ThumbsPlus fro cerious. TP uses the standard Access format and can be well, accessed, via TP or Access or MS SQL or MySQL or Postgres, or any other database software that recognises the format. The catalogue remains live, can be altered, and includes thumbnails for offline CD/DVD (which means you don’t even have to load the image unless you want to do something to it). It’s fully compliant with SQL commands and so forth, and very flexible.

—

Hecate – The Real One

veni, vidi, reliqui

Splendid piece of info. Cheers.

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