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First, I want to say this is not a thread intended to discuss the
Activation scheme in PS/CS. I agree it has been discussed to death, and nothing we have to say here will change anything.
However…
The automatic, nearly instantaneous locking of every thread where the
topic appears goes too far, in my opinion. It causes no harm to anyone to allow a discussion of any Photoshop-related topic. Merely because you have seen an argument before is not a valid reason for suppressing it. Doing so only makes you look like a censorious twit, and causes more harm than good.
The actions of the moderators in this regard are reprehensible.
I agree. A moderator’s job is to prevent off-topic postings, spam, and to keep a lid on personal attacks and other nastiness. His job should not include making subjective personal decisions as to when a Photoshop-related topic has been discussed too much. As you point out, the fact that it has been discussed previously is irrelevant. Masks and layers have been discussed a lot too – will the moderator start banning those threads too?
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Peter Aitken
Remove the crap from my email address before using.
Dennis,
While I understand your comments, there are already threads on activation. Forum etiquette would have any new comments posted in those threads.
You have my word that anything posted, as long as it remains constructive that’s posted in the previous threads will remain.
Bob
Maybe rather than sending them R/O, they could be moved to the Lounge, where discussions of this type will not clutter up the true purpose of the forum … user support.
That’s a valid suggestion, also.
Bob
For what it is worth I don’t think locking these threads serves any useful purpose. Likewise moving them to the Lounge. That doesn’t mean that I agree we the content (I don’t!). Instead why not just put it to the top, make it sticky and then ignore it. We can send in a Doctor now and and again to patch up the wounded and an Undertaker to cart off the dead. Either way some folk seem to have a desire to vent and there appears to be nothing we can do to stop it.
Ian
Mike,
I wrote:
make it sticky and then ignore it.
BTW: this is the Windows forum, you’re not welcome 😉
but my dog ate my hall pass, sir.
Regardless of the topic, "old news", "dead horse", "beaten to death", etc…I simply think a moderator should never set a topic r/o based merely upon that fact. What’s old news to one may be a relatively current topic of interest to someone else. We have not all been in this forum for the same period of time and even those such as myself who recognize a topic as "old news", may still take interest in it while others do not. This is a user-to-user forum, with support primarily being what is offered, but it also a forum where the product can and should be discussed whether or not it is in the context of a problem currently being experienced. If a topic degrades into derisive attacks on a person or company, that’s an entirely different matter worthy of a moderator’s attention.
Ian, I must say I rather like your suggestion of making the Activation topic a sticky one. Perhaps that would help collect all user opinion’s and discussions into a single bucket. While many might indeed ingore it in the long run, hopefully the Adobe folks would still continue to peek in from time to time to see if other issues have been raised that they failed to consider. I think everything has been pretty well covered in the past though. There may be some other similar topics worthy of making sticky as well, though I’m not certain what at the moment.
Daryl
Ian beat me to the sticky idea. Put it at the top and have the links posted there for all who need to read it. It can then be set R/O with a link to where it is not.
Disappointing, how people are begging for a mild version of dictatorship.
Fine. Leave this one going and we’ll get a consensus about what to do.
Bob
Gernot, care to amplify that comment? I am interested in what you have to say.
So far as a mild form of dictatorship is concerned, I practice that every time I place a copyright on my images, and include a "Read Me" Notepad note outlining what the recipient can and cannot do with my images. I don’t care for activation, but corporate america (or anywhere, for that matter) is not governed by Bill of Rights. You vote with your wallet!
Hmmm, maybe I can use the activation procedure to allow publication, changes etc….NAH!;-)
Bob,
Leave this one going and we’ll get a consensus about what to do.
I didnt know this forum was all about consent but if thats the case… well Im sure your R/O button will bring that about. <G>
You know since every topic has probably been discussed already why not set all of them to R/O. We can just RTFM, FAQ and forum archives
would make your job a lot easier.
Mastering the tool includes knowing when not to use it but thats tough if one likes the tool.
Andrew
Andrew,
Please keep in mind that the purpose of this forum is technical support of Photoshop. If you go back and check you’ll find that the threads relating to the technical problems with activation have been left alone.
The only ones shut down are the ones that contain nothing but rants and "the sky is falling" predictions of Adobe’s demise. I’ve only set 4 or 5 threads to R/O in the last 4 months. Hardly heavy handed.
Bob
This then, belongs in the Lounge.
But then, I have never seen Gernot post there. ???
I vote "lounge" rather than R/O. Or maybe there should be a new subforum called "Gripes" 😉
Lawrence,
all threads by p8mode are now R/O. That´s indeed a mild kind of dictatorship.
Moving to the lounge would be OK, IMO.
His contributions were reasonable. With the exception of "fascism", because dictatorship comes nowadays disguised as democracy etc.. Not necessary to explain this further.
About the necessity of activation or dongles: quite useless. Our students have cracked versions of all programs.
I don´t support or encourage them. It´s merely real life.
Best regards –Gernot Hoffmann
Please keep in mind that the purpose of this forum is technical >support of Photoshop
I thought the purpose of this forum was to help Photoshop users communicate about topics relevant to the product (and not exclusively technical support), hence the name. Then again maybe Im wrong, because I couldnt find where the purpose of this Forum was clearly defined, as well as what constitutes a post which deserves not to be markled R/O. Would you be so kind as to point it out to me?
If you go back and check you’ll find that the threads relating to the technical problems with activation have been left >alone.
Please be so kind as to quote me the thread(s) you consider most suitable for this topic and Ill be happy to post there instead.
nothing but rants
With all due respect, you are in no position to call my opinions "rants", even if Adobe gave you a little badge.
It’s crap like this thread that makes me glad I don’t have to make moderator decisions anymore.
Wheee!
Gernot,
A quick check of the forum will show you the p8mode has never helped anyone with a Photoshop problem. It’s just another example someone spreading FUD.
And people can yell and scream all they want. Anti-piracy efforts aren’t going away. And Adobe’s recent financial statements would bear out the fact that it certainly isn’t hurting them any.
Bob
