Re: A simple question….

The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Brian Mays wrote:

On Jul 9, 6:41 pm, The Starmaker wrote:

I think that book
"Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market"
is a very good book. I buy it for people
I know…I never used it myself…but I was considering using it for some new ventures of mine….

I bought it a few times before the web and email usage were household staples. Never used it. I could see how the material in it could become outdated very quickly in some cases.

Good luck using it. Let us know how it goes.

Brian Mays
http://www.brianleonmays.com – blog

The new edition 2007 is out, I understand email
addresses can get outdated in some casess but the web addressses usally don’t, and I can easily extract email addresses from the web page addresses listed…

I still am looking for an e-book version or something containg a electronic list.

I guess it doesn’t exist.

I’m going to have to start tearing out pages….

or maybe use those guys who do it for money
http://www.scandexsystems.com/BookScanning2.html
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=scan+books

Thanx anyway,

oh, there is one other method I forgot to mention…where you can get the entire list electronically, contact name, web/email/addresses for a dollar or less.. I’ll post that method tomorow…

by midnight….

Just to update this thread…I wrote:

"I just got a simple question.

I think that book
"Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market"
is a very good book. I buy it for people
I know…I never used it myself…but I was considering using it for some new ventures of mine….

It’s got 656 pages…

You know, it’s got Contact names and addresses, phone numbers, web and email addresses, etc..

Right now, I’m only interested in the email addresses, …ALL of the email addresses! Simply because my new ventures covers *all* categories.

So, my question is, is there an electronic version of this book, maybe a pdf version or maybe, is the contact names and addresses available on disk, or is the list sold somewhere?

You can imagine, going through each 656 pages and writing down the email addresses is simply too much. And the only solution I could come up with right now is to simply buy the book, tear out all the pages, and feed scan it to a scanner and extract the information from the scan using OCR, email address and contact names extracting software, etc.. But I was hoping I wouldn’t have to go through all that, I’m sure the publishers have it on disk somewhere, maybe somebody out there knows where I can get the list on file."

……thinking about it for a while, I could understand Why the publishers of "Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market 2007 edition" wouldn’t put out a list of all their contact information listed in the book on disk because otherwise they wouldn’t have a book to publish the next year! Everyone would be selling their own directories. But that is not my problem is it?

I just want my own compiled list I can use just like everyone else…

I already threw out the idea of tearing out all the pages and scanning it, but my last idea….getting the "whole entire list" for only a dollar or less is not something I might want to get into…it requires a method that might be a little controversial…

but if you feel it is irresponsible for me to post that method I’ll refrain from doing so if the majority is behind you….
otherwise, I’ll extend tonights deadline to this weekend.

On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 23:19:45 GMT, The Starmaker
wrote:

I’m going to have to start tearing out pages….

I already threw out the idea of tearing out all the pages and scanning it, but my last ide

but if you feel it is irresponsible for me to post that method I’ll refrain from doing so if the majority is behind you….
otherwise, I’ll extend tonights deadline to this weekend.

hope you get caught if you vandalize someone else’s property. If it’s yours, don’t extend it – tear em out

Dave

The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Brian Mays wrote:

On Jul 9, 6:41 pm, The Starmaker wrote:

I think that book
"Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market"
is a very good book. I buy it for people
I know…I never used it myself…but I was considering using it for some new ventures of mine….

I bought it a few times before the web and email usage were household staples. Never used it. I could see how the material in it could become outdated very quickly in some cases.

Good luck using it. Let us know how it goes.

Brian Mays
http://www.brianleonmays.com – blog

The new edition 2007 is out, I understand email
addresses can get outdated in some casess but the web addressses usally don’t, and I can easily extract email addresses from the web page addresses listed…

I still am looking for an e-book version or something containg a electronic list.

I guess it doesn’t exist.

I’m going to have to start tearing out pages….

or maybe use those guys who do it for money
http://www.scandexsystems.com/BookScanning2.html
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=scan+books

Thanx anyway,

oh, there is one other method I forgot to mention…where you can get the entire list electronically, contact name, web/email/addresses for a dollar or less.. I’ll post that method tomorow…

by midnight….

Just to update this thread…I wrote:

"I just got a simple question.

I think that book
"Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market"
is a very good book. I buy it for people
I know…I never used it myself…but I was considering using it for some new ventures of mine….

It’s got 656 pages…

You know, it’s got Contact names and addresses, phone numbers, web and email addresses, etc..
Right now, I’m only interested in the email addresses, …ALL of the email addresses! Simply because my new ventures covers *all* categories.

So, my question is, is there an electronic version of this book, maybe a pdf version or maybe, is the contact names and addresses available on disk, or is the list sold somewhere?
You can imagine, going through each 656 pages and writing down the email addresses is simply too much. And the only solution I could come up with right now is to simply buy the book, tear out all the pages, and feed scan it to a scanner and extract the information from the scan using OCR, email address and contact names extracting software, etc.. But I was hoping I wouldn’t have to go through all that, I’m sure the publishers have it on disk somewhere, maybe somebody out there knows where I can get the list on file."
…..thinking about it for a while, I could understand Why the publishers of "Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market 2007 edition" wouldn’t put out a list of all their contact information listed in the book on disk because otherwise they wouldn’t have a book to publish the next year! Everyone would be selling their own directories. But that is not my problem is it?
I just want my own compiled list I can use just like everyone else…
I already threw out the idea of tearing out all the pages and scanning it, but my last idea….getting the "whole entire list" for only a dollar or less is not something I might want to get into…it requires a method that might be a little controversial…

but if you feel it is irresponsible for me to post that method I’ll refrain from doing so if the majority is behind you….
otherwise, I’ll extend tonights deadline to this weekend.

The Internet wishes to be free.

I have noticed a new trend…

You know those e-books (digital products) people
sell on the internet, they ask for
maybe 50, 60, 90 dollars for them
sometimes.

They look something like this:
http://www.clickbank.com/buy_products.htm?s=&method=Sort &c=1&keywords=

Well, I don’t know how much it cost to
use the services of a book scanning business
http://www.scandexsystems.com/BookScanning2.html
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=scan+books

But the trend I’m noticeing on the internet is that
people are getting together on private forums
and one person buys a "digital product"
and sends a copy of it to all it’s members.

So if a "digital product" cost one hundred dollars, and they have a 100 members, each member pays only a dollar.

The Starmaker wrote:

But the trend I’m noticeing on the internet is that
people are getting together on private forums
and one person buys a "digital product"
and sends a copy of it to all it’s members.

So if a "digital product" cost one hundred dollars, and they have a 100 members, each member pays only a dollar.

Can you say "copyright infringement"?

I thought you could.

Drew

Drew wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

But the trend I’m noticeing on the internet is that
people are getting together on private forums
and one person buys a "digital product"
and sends a copy of it to all it’s members.

So if a "digital product" cost one hundred dollars, and they have a 100 members, each member pays only a dollar.

Can you say "copyright infringement"?

I thought you could.

Drew

You definitely sound like the Lone Ranger!

Drew wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

But the trend I’m noticeing on the internet is that
people are getting together on private forums
and one person buys a "digital product"
and sends a copy of it to all it’s members.

So if a "digital product" cost one hundred dollars, and they have a 100 members, each member pays only a dollar.

Can you say "copyright infringement"?

I thought you could.

Drew

Drew, Have you heard the expression
"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones"?

Now, I look at your email address and it reads,

"who is that masked man"
Drew

Now, in Hollywood, that can be considered
"copyright infringement", or worse yet
"trademark infringement"!

Since you’re an artist, you probably couldn’t put your email address on a book cover, poster, even a t-shirt because you would be infringing on The Lone Ranger trademark…

So you think you can post it on the Internet because there is such a gray area between copyright laws on Earth and the Internet. It’s the reason why "copyright infringement" is so rampant on the Internet…

But I’m guessing you figure you can get a way with it…

And since you live in a glass house, I wouldn’t answer the door either.

Kimosabe

Q: Where’s did the Lone Ranger take his garbage?
A: To the dump, to the dump, to the dump dump dump!

C)B-)

The Starmaker wrote:

Drew wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

But the trend I’m noticeing on the internet is that
people are getting together on private forums
and one person buys a "digital product"
and sends a copy of it to all it’s members.

So if a "digital product" cost one hundred dollars, and they have a 100 members, each member pays only a dollar.

Can you say "copyright infringement"?

I thought you could.

Drew

Drew, Have you heard the expression
"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones"?
Now, I look at your email address and it reads,

"who is that masked man"
Drew

In reference to your email address in 1982 a movie was made by Mike Filene and Ken Yontz entitled, you guessed it "The Starmaker".

Now, in Hollywood, that can be considered
"copyright infringement", or worse yet
"trademark infringement"!

Yes in Hollywood *you* could be considered in violation of all of the above.

Since you’re an artist, you probably couldn’t put your email address on a book cover, poster, even a t-shirt because you would be infringing on The Lone Ranger trademark…

And you’re correct, I wouldn’t. I have a more valid address.

So you think you can post it on the Internet because there is such a gray area between copyright laws on Earth and the Internet. It’s the reason why "copyright infringement" is so rampant on the Internet…
But I’m guessing you figure you can get a way with it…

There’s nothing to get away with. Since I’ve got your attention though I’ll give you a little education. Don’t worry, I’ll go slow for you.

1. The phrase used in the Lone Ranger is "Who WAS that masked man?" Note the difference between past and present tense.

2. The names/phrases "Lone Ranger", "Tonto", and "Hi-Ho Silver. Away!"
are surely copyrighted. A quote from a script most likely has expired past the 7 year copyright.

3. By far the most damning to your position: I am in no way depriving anyone of deserved income from their labors. You and your ilk are with your little "book club". Let me guess who would hear from lawyers first. You or me?

And since you live in a glass house, I wouldn’t answer the door either.

Heed your own advice.

Drew

Drew wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Drew wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

But the trend I’m noticeing on the internet is that
people are getting together on private forums
and one person buys a "digital product"
and sends a copy of it to all it’s members.

So if a "digital product" cost one hundred dollars, and they have a 100 members, each member pays only a dollar.

Can you say "copyright infringement"?

I thought you could.

Drew

Drew, Have you heard the expression
"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones"?
Now, I look at your email address and it reads,

"who is that masked man"
Drew

In reference to your email address in 1982 a movie was made by Mike Filene and Ken Yontz entitled, you guessed it "The Starmaker".

Is that the best you can come up with, a Porno film????
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0128606/

Where did you get the idea, Darling that I’m concerned about "copyright infringements"?

Now, in Hollywood, that can be considered
"copyright infringement", or worse yet
"trademark infringement"!

Yes in Hollywood *you* could be considered in violation of all of the above.

Since you’re an artist, you probably couldn’t put your email address on a book cover, poster, even a t-shirt because you would be infringing on The Lone Ranger trademark…

And you’re correct, I wouldn’t. I have a more valid address.

That I’ve got to see! I already saw your invalid one….

So you think you can post it on the Internet because there is such a gray area between copyright laws on Earth and the Internet. It’s the reason why "copyright infringement" is so rampant on the Internet…
But I’m guessing you figure you can get a way with it…

There’s nothing to get away with. Since I’ve got your attention though I’ll give you a little education. Don’t worry, I’ll go slow for you.
1. The phrase used in the Lone Ranger is "Who WAS that masked man?" Note the difference between past and present tense.

Y o u ‘r e g o i n g t o f a s t 4 m e…

So you mean you actually think that changing "was" to "is" vindicates you of any wrong doing? I want you
as my D.U.I lawyer!!!! Paris Hilton could’ve used you….

2. The names/phrases "Lone Ranger", "Tonto", and "Hi-Ho Silver. Away!"
are surely copyrighted. A quote from a script most likely has expired past the 7 year copyright.

3. By far the most damning to your position: I am in no way depriving anyone of deserved income from their labors. You and your ilk are with your little "book club". Let me guess who would hear from lawyers first. You or me?

Not You please!!!!

And since you live in a glass house, I wouldn’t answer the door either.

Heed your own advice.

I’m eating the pages right now!!!

Drew

Drew? Is that past tense for Draw?

I can imagine what Your *valid* email address must be like,

"Houston, weeeeeeee have a "

What we’ve had here is failure to

It’s a Sicilian message. It means Luca Brasi sleeps with the

Honey, no matter what you do to it, it’s called STEALING!!!!!!

The Starmaker wrote:
Nothing worth reading.

*plonk*

"The Starmaker" wrote in message
| Drew wrote:
| >
| > The Starmaker wrote:
| >
| > >
| > > But the trend I’m noticing on the internet is that | > > people are getting together on private forums | > > and one person buys a "digital product" | > > and sends a copy of it to all it’s members.
| > >
| > > So if a "digital product" cost one hundred dollars, | > > and they have a 100 members, each member pays only a dollar. | >
| > Can you say "copyright infringement"?
| >
| > I thought you could.
| >
| > Drew
|
| You definitely sound like the Lone Ranger!

Not so much by himself these days. Try that with our work product and you WILL be talking to our lawyer. It does happen but not very often and NEVER more than once with the same offender.

But don’t take my word for it:
http://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/settlements_category.ht ml?category=Intellectual+Property

Or better yet do what you espouse and come back to report the result (BTW it’s called a judgment order and with regards to copyright cases usually issued on summery– AKA no trial).

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:56:04 GMT, inez wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:
Nothing worth reading.

*plonk*

All the especially stupid retards like inez have to make sure they put on a good overly dramatic showing of their blinders. They really want to make sure that everyone knows they’re going to try their best to shut themselves the fuck up.

—

Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ¹ x ¹
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog

Hatter Quotes
————-
"You’re only one of the best if you’re striving to become one of the best."

"I didn’t make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you with it."

"I’m not a professional, I’m an artist."

"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."

"Usenet Filters – Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"

"Drugs killed Jesus you know…oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my bad."

"There are clingy things in the grass…burrs ‘n such…mmmm…"

"The more I learn the more I’m killing my idols."

"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"

"Freedom is only a concept, like race it’s merely a social construct that doesn’t really exist outside of your ability to convince others of its relevancy."

"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won’t jump the gun and start creamin yer panties before it’s time to pop the champagne proper."

"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."

"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that they’re just born with a soul. *snicker*…yeah, like they’re just givin em out for free."

"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling…everywhere. So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest, to their merry little mess."

"There’s a difference between ‘bad’ and ‘so earth shatteringly horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible images burned into their tiny little minds’."

"How sad that you’re such a poor judge of style that you can’t even properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."

"Those who record history are those who control history."

"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage, endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror…but you don’t get sent to me…I come for you."

"Ideally in a fight I’d want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."

"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a function?"

"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid. Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast indicates an increase in Webtv users."

"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You’re sure? Awww, gee…that’s too bad…for YOU!" `, )

The Starmaker wrote:

Drew wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Drew wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

But the trend I’m noticeing on the internet is that
people are getting together on private forums
and one person buys a "digital product"
and sends a copy of it to all it’s members.

So if a "digital product" cost one hundred dollars, and they have a 100 members, each member pays only a dollar.

Can you say "copyright infringement"?

I thought you could.

Drew

Drew, Have you heard the expression
"People who live in glass houses should not throw stones"?
Now, I look at your email address and it reads,

"who is that masked man"
Drew

In reference to your email address in 1982 a movie was made by Mike Filene and Ken Yontz entitled, you guessed it "The Starmaker".

Is that the best you can come up with, a Porno film????
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0128606/

Where did you get the idea, Darling that I’m concerned about "copyright infringements"?

You’re right. It’s obvious you’re not.

What a maroon.

Drew

just a note, …Google’s mission is to scan every book in the world without getting permission from the publisher
and post it on their website.
I’m only talking about *one* book..
I’m only interested in the email addresses..

Now you got the
"Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market 2007 edition" the "2007 Writer’s Market Deluxe Edition"
and
"2007 Photographer’s Market"

Now here they show you how to scan the book:
http://www.proportionalreading.com/scan.html

and cut the pages out…

If you’re an artist,
and you want to sell your art,
what better way is there
than to simply email everyone
on the planet?

The Starmaker

The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Brian Mays wrote:

On Jul 9, 6:41 pm, The Starmaker wrote:

I think that book
"Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market"
is a very good book. I buy it for people
I know…I never used it myself…but I was considering using it for some new ventures of mine….

I bought it a few times before the web and email usage were household staples. Never used it. I could see how the material in it could become outdated very quickly in some cases.

Good luck using it. Let us know how it goes.

Brian Mays
http://www.brianleonmays.com – blog

The new edition 2007 is out, I understand email
addresses can get outdated in some casess but the web addressses usally don’t, and I can easily extract email addresses from the web page addresses listed…

I still am looking for an e-book version or something containg a electronic list.

I guess it doesn’t exist.

I’m going to have to start tearing out pages….

or maybe use those guys who do it for money
http://www.scandexsystems.com/BookScanning2.html
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=scan+books

Thanx anyway,

oh, there is one other method I forgot to mention…where you can get the entire list electronically, contact name, web/email/addresses for a dollar or less.. I’ll post that method tomorow…

by midnight….

Just to update this thread…I wrote:

"I just got a simple question.

I think that book
"Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market"
is a very good book. I buy it for people
I know…I never used it myself…but I was considering using it for some new ventures of mine….

It’s got 656 pages…

You know, it’s got Contact names and addresses, phone numbers, web and email addresses, etc..
Right now, I’m only interested in the email addresses, …ALL of the email addresses! Simply because my new ventures covers *all* categories.

So, my question is, is there an electronic version of this book, maybe a pdf version or maybe, is the contact names and addresses available on disk, or is the list sold somewhere?
You can imagine, going through each 656 pages and writing down the email addresses is simply too much. And the only solution I could come up with right now is to simply buy the book, tear out all the pages, and feed scan it to a scanner and extract the information from the scan using OCR, email address and contact names extracting software, etc.. But I was hoping I wouldn’t have to go through all that, I’m sure the publishers have it on disk somewhere, maybe somebody out there knows where I can get the list on file."
…..thinking about it for a while, I could understand Why the publishers of "Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market 2007 edition" wouldn’t put out a list of all their contact information listed in the book on disk because otherwise they wouldn’t have a book to publish the next year! Everyone would be selling their own directories. But that is not my problem is it?
I just want my own compiled list I can use just like everyone else…
I already threw out the idea of tearing out all the pages and scanning it, but my last idea….getting the "whole entire list" for only a dollar or less is not something I might want to get into…it requires a method that might be a little controversial…

but if you feel it is irresponsible for me to post that method I’ll refrain from doing so if the majority is behind you….
otherwise, I’ll extend tonights deadline to this weekend.

The Internet wishes to be free.

I have noticed a new trend…

You know those e-books (digital products) people
sell on the internet, they ask for
maybe 50, 60, 90 dollars for them
sometimes.

They look something like this:
http://www.clickbank.com/buy_products.htm?s=&method=Sort &c=1&keywords=
Well, I don’t know how much it cost to
use the services of a book scanning business
http://www.scandexsystems.com/BookScanning2.html
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=scan+books

But the trend I’m noticeing on the internet is that
people are getting together on private forums
and one person buys a "digital product"
and sends a copy of it to all it’s members.

So if a "digital product" cost one hundred dollars, and they have a 100 members, each member pays only a dollar.

"The Starmaker" wrote

If you’re an artist,
and you want to sell your art,
what better way is there
than to simply email everyone
on the planet?

Yes, there is. Spamming everyone on the planet is a really poor marketing tactic, as anyone with marketing experience will tell you. Spamming everyone who might be in your target market may even be dumber. Go ahead and piss off potential customers with unwanted spam. If you get lucky, they won’t know how to create a filter to block your emails so that if you do have a potential job with them, your mail won’t get through. Marketing, except for spam, is getting more and more targeted everyday, not less targeted.

You cutting the pages out of a book you own, scanning them and spamming everyone on that list isn’t copyright infringement. It isn’t bright in terms of targeting your marketing and using your time to its best advantage, and potentially pissing off future buyers and/or having them block you email address as a spammer so you can’t reach them when it would be to your advantage, but it isn’t copyright infringement, I suspect.

Distributing the list you get as a result of your scans among 100 people is probably illegal, but probably won’t lead to anything. Selling it as your own list, putting it on a warez site or anything like that is probably a no-no but most likely nothing will come of it, so hey go for it if you want. It is you that they’ll likely come after, since you’re the distributor, not anyone who gets it from you.

Fred Doyle

Fred Doyle wrote:

"The Starmaker" wrote

If you’re an artist,
and you want to sell your art,
what better way is there
than to simply email everyone
on the planet?

Yes, there is. Spamming everyone on the planet is a really poor marketing tactic, as anyone with marketing experience will tell you.

I didn’t say "spamming everyone", I said "emailing everyone". Do you know what emailing everyone means?
It means you send a email to everyone on your email list. Each person gets the email and sees it as an individual email.

Spamming everyone
who might be in your target market may even be dumber. Go ahead and piss off potential customers with unwanted spam.

You know, you sound like a person who gets emails or letters in the mail to buy dog food and all you have is a cat.

Don’t come in my threads with "spamming" on your mind. You’re biased. You’re running the minds of
artists trying to market their work.

If you get lucky, they won’t know
how to create a filter to block your emails so that if you do have a potential job with them, your mail won’t get through. Marketing, except for spam, is getting more and more targeted everyday, not less targeted.

When you do it it’s called "target marketting", when others do it it’s called "spamming". I see
where you’re coming from…where are all the honest people?

I wrote at the very beggining of this thread:

"Right now, I’m only interested in the email addresses, …ALL of the email addresses! Simply because my new ventures covers *all* categories."

Now, if others wish to email to certain categories, they are free to do so…but you limit yourself.

An artist, a skilled artist should be able to produce *anything*, ….from logo’s to landscape.

You cutting the pages out of a book you own, scanning them and spamming everyone on that list isn’t copyright infringement. It isn’t bright in terms of targeting your marketing and using your time to its best advantage, and potentially pissing off future buyers and/or having them block you email address as a spammer so you can’t reach them when it would be to your advantage, but it isn’t copyright infringement, I suspect.

You must get a lot of junk mail! If you’re soooo upset about it why don’t you just return the business reply pre-paid postage envelope with nothing in it?

Distributing the list you get as a result of your scans among 100 people is probably illegal, but probably won’t lead to anything. Selling it as your own list, putting it on a warez site or anything like that is probably a no-no but most likely nothing will come of it, so hey go for it if you want. It is you that they’ll likely come after, since you’re the distributor, not anyone who gets it from you.

Fred Doyle

In direct marketing, it’s called the shotgun approach.

But I’ll speak your language, next time you watch a TV commercial for dog food (and you don’t own a dog) , you’re being Spammed!

That’s how corporations make money, they sell dog food to *everyone*!

The Starmaker

Fred Doyle wrote:

Distributing the list you get as a result of your scans among 100 people is probably illegal, but probably won’t lead to anything. Selling it as your own list, putting it on a warez site or anything like that is probably a no-no but most likely nothing will come of it, so hey go for it if you want. It is you that they’ll likely come after, since you’re the distributor, not anyone who gets it from you.

Fred Doyle

You sure have a lot of positive and encouraging things to say, you make a great mentor!

But I already wrote in this thread
I would also extract the web addresses
then use email extracting programs to
get the email addresses from the website’s directly.

All email addresses would belong to me.

The Starmaker wrote:

Fred Doyle wrote:

"The Starmaker" wrote

If you’re an artist,
and you want to sell your art,
what better way is there
than to simply email everyone
on the planet?

Yes, there is. Spamming everyone on the planet is a really poor marketing tactic, as anyone with marketing experience will tell you.

I didn’t say "spamming everyone", I said "emailing everyone". Do you know what emailing everyone means?
It means you send a email to everyone on your email list. Each person gets the email and sees it as an individual email.

Spamming everyone
who might be in your target market may even be dumber. Go ahead and piss off potential customers with unwanted spam.

You know, you sound like a person who gets emails or letters in the mail to buy dog food and all you have is a cat.

Don’t come in my threads with "spamming" on your mind. You’re biased. You’re running the minds of
artists trying to market their work.

If you get lucky, they won’t know
how to create a filter to block your emails so that if you do have a potential job with them, your mail won’t get through. Marketing, except for spam, is getting more and more targeted everyday, not less targeted.

When you do it it’s called "target marketting", when others do it it’s called "spamming". I see
where you’re coming from…where are all the honest people?
I wrote at the very beggining of this thread:

"Right now, I’m only interested in the email addresses, …ALL of the email addresses! Simply because my new ventures covers *all* categories."
Now, if others wish to email to certain categories, they are free to do so…but you limit yourself.

An artist, a skilled artist should be able to produce *anything*, ….from logo’s to landscape.

You cutting the pages out of a book you own, scanning them and spamming everyone on that list isn’t copyright infringement. It isn’t bright in terms of targeting your marketing and using your time to its best advantage, and potentially pissing off future buyers and/or having them block you email address as a spammer so you can’t reach them when it would be to your advantage, but it isn’t copyright infringement, I suspect.

You must get a lot of junk mail! If you’re soooo upset about it why don’t you just return the business reply pre-paid postage envelope with nothing in it?

Distributing the list you get as a result of your scans among 100 people is probably illegal, but probably won’t lead to anything. Selling it as your own list, putting it on a warez site or anything like that is probably a no-no but most likely nothing will come of it, so hey go for it if you want. It is you that they’ll likely come after, since you’re the distributor, not anyone who gets it from you.

Fred Doyle

In direct marketing, it’s called the shotgun approach.

But I’ll speak your language, next time you watch a TV commercial for dog food (and you don’t own a dog) , you’re being Spammed!

That’s how corporations make money, they sell dog food to *everyone*!
The Starmaker

If you do have a dog, I won’t be surprised if he’s getting offers for free 2 week trials subscription for The Wall Street Journal!!!

That’s how corporations make money, they’ll sell to your dog!!!!

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:14:59 GMT, The Starmaker

You sure have a lot of positive and encouraging things to say, you make a great mentor!
But I already wrote in this thread
I would also extract the web addresses
then use email extracting programs to
get the email addresses from the website’s directly.

All email addresses would belong to me.

Are you one of the long-time trolls or new?

Dave

The Starmaker wrote:

Fred Doyle wrote:

Distributing the list you get as a result of your scans among 100 people is probably illegal, but probably won’t lead to anything. Selling it as your own list, putting it on a warez site or anything like that is probably a no-no but most likely nothing will come of it, so hey go for it if you want. It is you that they’ll likely come after, since you’re the distributor, not anyone who gets it from you.

Fred Doyle

You sure have a lot of positive and encouraging things to say, you make a great mentor!
But I already wrote in this thread
I would also extract the web addresses
then use email extracting programs to
get the email addresses from the website’s directly.

All email addresses would belong to me.

I notice at least a couple of people using the word "spam" in my threads.

These people don’t know what they are talking about…

Here is the definition of Spam:
To indiscriminately send unsolicited, unwanted, irrelevant, or inappropriate messages, especially commercial advertising in mass quantities.

Now, the "Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market 2007 edition" contains contact names and email addresses of people
who had their email address published because they are "soliciting", they "want" to see your work! They might not
want Viagra emails but they do expect to receive emails from artists unknown to them.

So what’s the problem here? I asked a simple question, "Does the List Exist?"

I know some of you guys have spent all your life carry a giant portfolio going door to door showing your art work, but this is 2007!

This singer post her stuff on youtube and Warner signs her up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOWe6QgfOLY

This actor post his stuff and he gets signed up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLje9McwxvA

There are a lot of artists who have sold their works without ever seeing what an art director looks like.
Their portfolio on their web page was all they needed.

So what’s the big deal here? It’s not my fault that the publishers of "Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market 2007" are behind the times.

The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Fred Doyle wrote:

Distributing the list you get as a result of your scans among 100 people is probably illegal, but probably won’t lead to anything. Selling it as your own list, putting it on a warez site or anything like that is probably a no-no but most likely nothing will come of it, so hey go for it if you want. It is you that they’ll likely come after, since you’re the distributor, not anyone who gets it from you.

Fred Doyle

You sure have a lot of positive and encouraging things to say, you make a great mentor!
But I already wrote in this thread
I would also extract the web addresses
then use email extracting programs to
get the email addresses from the website’s directly.

All email addresses would belong to me.

I notice at least a couple of people using the word "spam" in my threads.
These people don’t know what they are talking about…

Here is the definition of Spam:
To indiscriminately send unsolicited, unwanted, irrelevant, or inappropriate messages, especially commercial advertising in mass quantities.

Now, the "Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market 2007 edition" contains contact names and email addresses of people
who had their email address published because they are "soliciting", they "want" to see your work! They might not
want Viagra emails but they do expect to receive emails from artists unknown to them.
So what’s the problem here? I asked a simple question, "Does the List Exist?"
I know some of you guys have spent all your life carry a giant portfolio going door to door showing your art work, but this is 2007!

This singer post her stuff on youtube and Warner signs her up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOWe6QgfOLY

This actor post his stuff and he gets signed up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLje9McwxvA

There are a lot of artists who have sold their works without ever seeing what an art director looks like.
Their portfolio on their web page was all they needed.

So what’s the big deal here? It’s not my fault that the publishers of "Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market 2007" are behind the times.

On a personal note…
I get emails like everybody else
from all sorts
but when I get an email from
an artist seeking working
I certaintly don’t get pissed off!
I cannot imagine why anyone would
get pissed off because they got an email
from a artist?
And the truth is
most of the emails I get from
other artist are from INDIA!!!!!!!

And you know what, they are getting work
from U.S. businesses from their efforts.

The Starmaker

and I can barely read their emails! They write like second graders!!

"The Starmaker" wrote in message

The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Fred Doyle wrote:

Distributing the list you get as a result of your scans among 100 people is
probably illegal, but probably won’t lead to anything. Selling it as your
own list, putting it on a warez site or anything like that is probably a
no-no but most likely nothing will come of it, so hey go for it if you want.
It is you that they’ll likely come after, since you’re the distributor, not
anyone who gets it from you.

Fred Doyle

You sure have a lot of positive and encouraging things to say, you make a great mentor!

But I already wrote in this thread
I would also extract the web addresses
then use email extracting programs to
get the email addresses from the website’s directly.

All email addresses would belong to me.

I notice at least a couple of people using the word "spam" in my threads.
These people don’t know what they are talking about…

Here is the definition of Spam:
To indiscriminately send unsolicited, unwanted, irrelevant, or inappropriate messages, especially commercial advertising in mass quantities.

Now, the "Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market 2007 edition" contains contact names and email addresses of people
who had their email address published because they are "soliciting", they "want" to see your work! They might not
want Viagra emails but they do expect to receive emails from artists unknown to them.

So what’s the problem here? I asked a simple question, "Does the List Exist?"

I know some of you guys have spent all your life carry a giant portfolio going door to door showing
your art work, but this is 2007!

This singer post her stuff on youtube and Warner signs her up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOWe6QgfOLY

This actor post his stuff and he gets signed up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLje9McwxvA

There are a lot of artists who have sold their works without ever seeing what an art director looks like.
Their portfolio on their web page was all they needed.

So what’s the big deal here? It’s not my fault that the publishers of "Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market 2007" are behind the times.

On a personal note…
I get emails like everybody else
from all sorts
but when I get an email from
an artist seeking working
I certaintly don’t get pissed off!
I cannot imagine why anyone would
get pissed off because they got an email
from a artist?
And the truth is
most of the emails I get from
other artist are from INDIA!!!!!!!

And you know what, they are getting work
from U.S. businesses from their efforts.

The Starmaker

and I can barely read their emails! They write like second graders!!

There are legit lists of art buyers from reputable companies who spend money and time to keep them up-to-date, reliable and accurate
and who will SELL you those lists in any form you choose, as printed lists, digital lists of email addresses for your Excel program or pre-printed on the labels for snail mail, many will print and send your promos for you, FOR A FEE. Most people who WORK like to be PAID for it not ripped OFF.

One of the best ways to get your work noticed is to buy and ad in a prominent directory like WORKBOOK or Black Book or the online equivalents, and list with a rep or agency who will do the marketing for you. It IS expensive sometimes but not as expensive as doing NO marketing. I have never lost money on an ad, getting at least one sale that covered my investment and making a couple new contacts for future. I hear buyers need to see at least 6 of your pieces in succession to make an impression.

I get their SPAM (or Ads if you prefer) from list sellers every week in my email so I am sure they use a list of photographers to advertise their lists by using lists. One is AGENCY ACCESS they have frequent sales, the lists are in any format you choose by region, by type of company, name of current AD or CD, and other well researched info you should have for proper marketing etc.and not expensive.

If you prefer to scan an entire book and translate by OCR think about the time and effort it would take to make a "FREE" and illegally copied list vs. paying about $150.00 for a legit updatable one. I think copying and re-distributing that "free" list especially for commercial gain, would be copyright infringement. And though you may not get caught or prosecuted it is unethical and yes STEALING, theft of intellectual property. If you are an artist you should realize you are creating a very bad karma and I hope an AD will steal the images you send them in your promos and use them without paying you.

As artists and creators of intellectual property you belong to a larger community of creators and we all have a lot to lose by cheaters of these systems. That is why you are getting slammed here by those of us who have tried to educate buyers and sellers of art, and who wish to see standards created over many years not disappear as we navigate the digital age. Instead you are asking us to help you cheat and how to accomplish it.

Just because you can copy something does not make it the right thing to do, and yes it is often a question of being HONORABLE.
Character is what you choose to do when no one is looking.

(and God is always watching so you will eventually have to answer to a higher authority)

KatWoman wrote:

"The Starmaker" wrote in message

The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Fred Doyle wrote:

Distributing the list you get as a result of your scans among 100 people is
probably illegal, but probably won’t lead to anything. Selling it as your
own list, putting it on a warez site or anything like that is probably a
no-no but most likely nothing will come of it, so hey go for it if you want.
It is you that they’ll likely come after, since you’re the distributor, not
anyone who gets it from you.

Fred Doyle

You sure have a lot of positive and encouraging things to say, you make a great mentor!

But I already wrote in this thread
I would also extract the web addresses
then use email extracting programs to
get the email addresses from the website’s directly.

All email addresses would belong to me.

I notice at least a couple of people using the word "spam" in my threads.
These people don’t know what they are talking about…

Here is the definition of Spam:
To indiscriminately send unsolicited, unwanted, irrelevant, or inappropriate messages, especially commercial advertising in mass quantities.

Now, the "Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market 2007 edition" contains contact names and email addresses of people
who had their email address published because they are "soliciting", they "want" to see your work! They might not
want Viagra emails but they do expect to receive emails from artists unknown to them.

So what’s the problem here? I asked a simple question, "Does the List Exist?"

I know some of you guys have spent all your life carry a giant portfolio going door to door showing
your art work, but this is 2007!

This singer post her stuff on youtube and Warner signs her up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOWe6QgfOLY

This actor post his stuff and he gets signed up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLje9McwxvA

There are a lot of artists who have sold their works without ever seeing what an art director looks like.
Their portfolio on their web page was all they needed.

So what’s the big deal here? It’s not my fault that the publishers of "Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market 2007" are behind the times.

On a personal note…
I get emails like everybody else
from all sorts
but when I get an email from
an artist seeking working
I certaintly don’t get pissed off!
I cannot imagine why anyone would
get pissed off because they got an email
from a artist?
And the truth is
most of the emails I get from
other artist are from INDIA!!!!!!!

And you know what, they are getting work
from U.S. businesses from their efforts.

The Starmaker

and I can barely read their emails! They write like second graders!!

There are legit lists of art buyers from reputable companies who spend money and time to keep them up-to-date, reliable and accurate
and who will SELL you those lists in any form you choose, as printed lists, digital lists of email addresses for your Excel program or pre-printed on the labels for snail mail, many will print and send your promos for you, FOR A FEE. Most people who WORK like to be PAID for it not ripped OFF.
One of the best ways to get your work noticed is to buy and ad in a prominent directory like WORKBOOK or Black Book or the online equivalents, and list with a rep or agency who will do the marketing for you. It IS expensive sometimes but not as expensive as doing NO marketing. I have never lost money on an ad, getting at least one sale that covered my investment and making a couple new contacts for future. I hear buyers need to see at least 6 of your pieces in succession to make an impression.
I get their SPAM (or Ads if you prefer) from list sellers every week in my email so I am sure they use a list of photographers to advertise their lists by using lists. One is AGENCY ACCESS they have frequent sales, the lists are in any format you choose by region, by type of company, name of current AD or CD, and other well researched info you should have for proper marketing etc.and not expensive.

If you prefer to scan an entire book and translate by OCR think about the time and effort it would take to make a "FREE" and illegally copied list vs. paying about $150.00 for a legit updatable one. I think copying and re-distributing that "free" list especially for commercial gain, would be copyright infringement. And though you may not get caught or prosecuted it is unethical and yes STEALING, theft of intellectual property. If you are an artist you should realize you are creating a very bad karma and I hope an AD will steal the images you send them in your promos and use them without paying you.

As artists and creators of intellectual property you belong to a larger community of creators and we all have a lot to lose by cheaters of these systems. That is why you are getting slammed here by those of us who have tried to educate buyers and sellers of art, and who wish to see standards created over many years not disappear as we navigate the digital age. Instead you are asking us to help you cheat and how to accomplish it.
Just because you can copy something does not make it the right thing to do, and yes it is often a question of being HONORABLE.
Character is what you choose to do when no one is looking.
(and God is always watching so you will eventually have to answer to a higher authority)

Bad Karma? What is that??
Is that that thing I heard about
where some type of invisible force that
comes from you
shoots out into space
makes a u-turn
turns around
and comes flying back
like a boomberang
and also
bites
you
on
the
ass?

No such thing exist.

Does anybody believe a word she said?

Me-ow.

She sounds like a fun girl anyway…

"The Starmaker" wrote in message

KatWoman wrote:

"The Starmaker" wrote in message

The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Fred Doyle wrote:

Distributing the list you get as a result of your scans among 100 people is
probably illegal, but probably won’t lead to anything. Selling it as
your
own list, putting it on a warez site or anything like that is probably a
no-no but most likely nothing will come of it, so hey go for it if you want.
It is you that they’ll likely come after, since you’re the distributor, not
anyone who gets it from you.

Fred Doyle

You sure have a lot of positive and encouraging things to say, you make
a great mentor!

But I already wrote in this thread
I would also extract the web addresses
then use email extracting programs to
get the email addresses from the website’s directly.

All email addresses would belong to me.

I notice at least a couple of people using the word "spam" in my threads.

These people don’t know what they are talking about…

Here is the definition of Spam:
To indiscriminately send unsolicited, unwanted, irrelevant, or inappropriate messages, especially commercial advertising in mass quantities.

Now, the "Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market 2007 edition" contains contact names and email addresses of people
who had their email address published because they are "soliciting", they
"want" to see your work! They might not
want Viagra emails but they do expect to receive emails from artists unknown to them.

So what’s the problem here? I asked a simple question, "Does the List Exist?"

I know some of you guys have spent all your life carry a giant portfolio
going door to door showing
your art work, but this is 2007!

This singer post her stuff on youtube and Warner signs her up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOWe6QgfOLY

This actor post his stuff and he gets signed up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLje9McwxvA

There are a lot of artists who have sold their works without ever seeing
what an art director looks like.
Their portfolio on their web page was all they needed.

So what’s the big deal here? It’s not my fault that the publishers of "Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market 2007" are behind the times.

On a personal note…
I get emails like everybody else
from all sorts
but when I get an email from
an artist seeking working
I certaintly don’t get pissed off!
I cannot imagine why anyone would
get pissed off because they got an email
from a artist?
And the truth is
most of the emails I get from
other artist are from INDIA!!!!!!!

And you know what, they are getting work
from U.S. businesses from their efforts.

The Starmaker

and I can barely read their emails! They write like second graders!!

There are legit lists of art buyers from reputable companies who spend money
and time to keep them up-to-date, reliable and accurate
and who will SELL you those lists in any form you choose, as printed lists,
digital lists of email addresses for your Excel program or pre-printed on the labels for snail mail, many will print and send your promos for you, FOR
A FEE. Most people who WORK like to be PAID for it not ripped OFF.
One of the best ways to get your work noticed is to buy and ad in a prominent directory like WORKBOOK or Black Book or the online equivalents,
and list with a rep or agency who will do the marketing for you. It IS expensive sometimes but not as expensive as doing NO marketing. I have never
lost money on an ad, getting at least one sale that covered my investment and making a couple new contacts for future. I hear buyers need to see at least 6 of your pieces in succession to make an impression.
I get their SPAM (or Ads if you prefer) from list sellers every week in my
email so I am sure they use a list of photographers to advertise their lists
by using lists. One is AGENCY ACCESS they have frequent sales, the lists are
in any format you choose by region, by type of company, name of current AD
or CD, and other well researched info you should have for proper marketing
etc.and not expensive.

If you prefer to scan an entire book and translate by OCR think about the time and effort it would take to make a "FREE" and illegally copied list vs.
paying about $150.00 for a legit updatable one. I think copying and re-distributing that "free" list especially for commercial gain, would be copyright infringement. And though you may not get caught or prosecuted it
is unethical and yes STEALING, theft of intellectual property. If you are an artist you should realize you are creating a very bad karma and I hope an AD will steal the images you send them in your promos and use
them without paying you.

As artists and creators of intellectual property you belong to a larger community of creators and we all have a lot to lose by cheaters of these systems. That is why you are getting slammed here by those of us who have tried to educate buyers and sellers of art, and who wish to see standards created over many years not disappear as we navigate the digital age. Instead you are asking us to help you cheat and how to accomplish it.
Just because you can copy something does not make it the right thing to do,
and yes it is often a question of being HONORABLE.
Character is what you choose to do when no one is looking.
(and God is always watching so you will eventually have to answer to a higher authority)

Bad Karma? What is that??
Is that that thing I heard about
where some type of invisible force that
comes from you
shoots out into space
makes a u-turn
turns around
and comes flying back
like a boomberang
and also
bites
you
on
the
ass?

No such thing exist.

Does anybody believe a word she said?

Me-ow.

She sounds like a fun girl anyway…

(sound of me zipping up boots)
it’s WOMAN not girl
(sound of me cracking whip)
(sound of you saying)
Me-OUCH!

"KatWoman" wrote in message

[re Starmaker’s karma]

(sound of me zipping up boots)
it’s WOMAN not girl
(sound of me cracking whip)
(sound of you saying)
Me-OUCH!

LOL – that made my day.
—
Mike Russell – www.curvemeister.com

KatWoman wrote:

"The Starmaker" wrote in message

KatWoman wrote:

"The Starmaker" wrote in message

The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

Fred Doyle wrote:

Distributing the list you get as a result of your scans among 100 people is
probably illegal, but probably won’t lead to anything. Selling it as
your
own list, putting it on a warez site or anything like that is probably a
no-no but most likely nothing will come of it, so hey go for it if you want.
It is you that they’ll likely come after, since you’re the distributor, not
anyone who gets it from you.

Fred Doyle

You sure have a lot of positive and encouraging things to say, you make
a great mentor!

But I already wrote in this thread
I would also extract the web addresses
then use email extracting programs to
get the email addresses from the website’s directly.

All email addresses would belong to me.

I notice at least a couple of people using the word "spam" in my threads.

These people don’t know what they are talking about…

Here is the definition of Spam:
To indiscriminately send unsolicited, unwanted, irrelevant, or inappropriate messages, especially commercial advertising in mass quantities.

Now, the "Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market 2007 edition" contains contact names and email addresses of people
who had their email address published because they are "soliciting", they
"want" to see your work! They might not
want Viagra emails but they do expect to receive emails from artists unknown to them.

So what’s the problem here? I asked a simple question, "Does the List Exist?"

I know some of you guys have spent all your life carry a giant portfolio
going door to door showing
your art work, but this is 2007!

This singer post her stuff on youtube and Warner signs her up http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOWe6QgfOLY

This actor post his stuff and he gets signed up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLje9McwxvA

There are a lot of artists who have sold their works without ever seeing
what an art director looks like.
Their portfolio on their web page was all they needed.

So what’s the big deal here? It’s not my fault that the publishers of "Artist’s & Graphic Designer’s Market 2007" are behind the times.

On a personal note…
I get emails like everybody else
from all sorts
but when I get an email from
an artist seeking working
I certaintly don’t get pissed off!
I cannot imagine why anyone would
get pissed off because they got an email
from a artist?
And the truth is
most of the emails I get from
other artist are from INDIA!!!!!!!

And you know what, they are getting work
from U.S. businesses from their efforts.

The Starmaker

and I can barely read their emails! They write like second graders!!

There are legit lists of art buyers from reputable companies who spend money
and time to keep them up-to-date, reliable and accurate
and who will SELL you those lists in any form you choose, as printed lists,
digital lists of email addresses for your Excel program or pre-printed on the labels for snail mail, many will print and send your promos for you, FOR
A FEE. Most people who WORK like to be PAID for it not ripped OFF.
One of the best ways to get your work noticed is to buy and ad in a prominent directory like WORKBOOK or Black Book or the online equivalents,
and list with a rep or agency who will do the marketing for you. It IS expensive sometimes but not as expensive as doing NO marketing. I have never
lost money on an ad, getting at least one sale that covered my investment and making a couple new contacts for future. I hear buyers need to see at least 6 of your pieces in succession to make an impression.
I get their SPAM (or Ads if you prefer) from list sellers every week in my
email so I am sure they use a list of photographers to advertise their lists
by using lists. One is AGENCY ACCESS they have frequent sales, the lists are
in any format you choose by region, by type of company, name of current AD
or CD, and other well researched info you should have for proper marketing
etc.and not expensive.

If you prefer to scan an entire book and translate by OCR think about the time and effort it would take to make a "FREE" and illegally copied list vs.
paying about $150.00 for a legit updatable one. I think copying and re-distributing that "free" list especially for commercial gain, would be copyright infringement. And though you may not get caught or prosecuted it
is unethical and yes STEALING, theft of intellectual property. If you are an artist you should realize you are creating a very bad karma and I hope an AD will steal the images you send them in your promos and use
them without paying you.

As artists and creators of intellectual property you belong to a larger community of creators and we all have a lot to lose by cheaters of these systems. That is why you are getting slammed here by those of us who have tried to educate buyers and sellers of art, and who wish to see standards created over many years not disappear as we navigate the digital age. Instead you are asking us to help you cheat and how to accomplish it.
Just because you can copy something does not make it the right thing to do,
and yes it is often a question of being HONORABLE.
Character is what you choose to do when no one is looking.
(and God is always watching so you will eventually have to answer to a higher authority)

Bad Karma? What is that??
Is that that thing I heard about
where some type of invisible force that
comes from you
shoots out into space
makes a u-turn
turns around
and comes flying back
like a boomberang
and also
bites
you
on
the
ass?

No such thing exist.

Does anybody believe a word she said?

Me-ow.

She sounds like a fun girl anyway…

(sound of me zipping up boots)
it’s WOMAN not girl
(sound of me cracking whip)
(sound of you saying)
Me-OUCH!

I guess you must be that "higher authority", I like the view from here…pussy cat.

On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 02:30:59 GMT, The Starmaker

is unethical and yes STEALING, theft of intellectual property. If you are an artist you should realize you are creating a very bad karma and I hope an AD will steal the images you send them in your promos and use
them without paying you.

Character is what you choose to do when no one is looking.
(and God is always watching so you will eventually have to answer to a higher authority)

Bad Karma? What is that??

Does anybody believe a word she said?

All of this can of course starts as moderate as you being kill filed and thus only talking to yourself.
And yes, I do believe what she said, and so does many more.

Dave