Smart Guides. Nice idea but…

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Ho
May 23, 2005
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Smart guides appear infrequently on my machine; sometimes they are there, usually they are not. And when they *do* appear, they’re usually visible for much too brief a time to be useful.

I think the Smart Guide "Target Zone" should be expanded. They should appear in one color as you approach the target, and turn another color when you’re on target. They also should work with the nudge keys.

MacBook Pro 16” Mockups πŸ”₯

– in 4 materials (clay versions included)

– 12 scenes

– 48 MacBook Pro 16″ mockups

– 6000 x 4500 px

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Ho
May 23, 2005
So… no one else has this problem?
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dave_milbut
May 24, 2005
nope. i’ve never seen them. i thought they were a myth. πŸ™‚

maybe i need to look in the manual. πŸ™‚
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Ho
May 24, 2005
How can you myth them if you didn’t know they were there?

Seriously, the concept is very cool, but the implementation is lacking, IMHO.
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YrbkMgr
May 24, 2005
maybe i need to look in the manual

Anyone could do it that way, Dave.
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dave_milbut
May 24, 2005
I know. It’s a dirty job, but somebody’s gotta do it! πŸ™‚
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Phosphor
May 24, 2005
I haven’t even used them, and I know the implementation is half-baked.

Why the hell CAN’T guidelines in Photoshop have more functionality like they do in Illustrator? Cripes, if they’re going to revamp and update them, why stop at "Smart Guides"? It’d make a lot more sense to have "Guide Layers" with togglable visibility, color shoice and the ability to be rotated.
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Chris_Cox
May 24, 2005
Because we have a limited amount of time.
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chrisjbirchall
May 24, 2005
I haven’t even used them, and I know the implementation is half-baked.

Actually Phos, I find them very useful. They speed up montage work no end.

As for the rest of your post, I couldn’t agree more. And Chris Cox’s answer is a clue to even greater things to come!

Chris.
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Phosphor
May 24, 2005
"Because we have a limited amount of time."

I love and respect what you do Chris, but that’s a lame response.

Illustrator has had great features with guidelines for years, and some of us have been asking for a little parity (or even greater functionality) in Photoshop for several versions now.

Is there anything that would make it difficult or overly bloatfulicious?

I’ve detailed in "Feature Requests" a handful of functions that would make guidelines much more useful, and given your team’s History, I could imagine you guys might even come up with additional functionalities even nicer than those I’ve thought of.
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Chris_Cox
May 24, 2005
Yes, there are things that make it difficult and potentially slow.
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Phosphor
May 24, 2005
"Yes, there are things that make it…potentially slow."

I’m not buying it…

More potentially deceleratory than, say, gigantic blurs or small-cell Filter—Β»Extrude, among other horsepower-straining functions? People seem to live with the speed of those.

Difficult? I’ll have to take your word for it, for the most part. But that’s not to say I wouldn’t enjoy hearing a little more detailed explanation about why, nor that I might understand the explanation. Aren’t the math and display routines already there. Aren’t guidelines based pretty much on vector routines?

My inclination is to believe that enhanced guideline functions just aren’t a selling point with the big drama of stuff like Perspective cloning, and therefor keep getting sidelined when new features are discussed.
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Ho
May 24, 2005
I could live with the guides as they were meant to work in their present incarnation if they would work reliably. As it is, they seem to be overly sensitive. They flicker on and off so quickly that it usually takes me 3 or 4 attempts to get it right. And that’s IF they appear at all. Often they don’t show up on the first pass, or the second, or the third. Then I find myself moving one object back and forth over another, waiting for the guides to show. Moving, waving, waiting…

SO, it takes me longer, usually MUCH longer, to position objects using Smart Guides than it does using Layer Align, so no time savings here. Quite the contrary. And it doesn’t seem to matter what the zoom level is (I thought 100% was the ticket, but I was wrong), or whether I’m using my mouse or my Wacom.

I think this one should have been put on hold.
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chrisjbirchall
May 24, 2005
Ho. Have you got "Snap to guides" checked? Works great every time on my machine.

Chris.
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Ho
May 24, 2005
Yep. On, off, doesn’t matter here.
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Ho
May 25, 2005
OK, this is pretty wild. I installed a couple of Optional Plugins, Disable Scratch Compression Registry Key and Optimize Redraw Drawing Registry Key. I also disabled Write Combining for my video card.

Suddenly, I have Smart Guides everywhere, on everything. Even the edge of the document shows up, which it never did before. I guess I should try to figure out what fixed it, but I really don’t care.

I like this now. πŸ™‚
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dave_milbut
May 25, 2005
is THAT what those flashing red lines are?!! JEEBERS! I thought my RAM was going bad!!! They look like flickers the only time i’ve seen them!

Chris Cox – 01:17pm Feb 7, 2003 Pacific (#7 of 15)

If you zoom in and they go away, it’s probably the video card.

If you zoom in and out and they change, it’s probably bad RAM.

If the image looks fine, you save it, then reload it and it’s corrupted – then it’s probably the hard disk.

CRIPES AND CRIMMINY! πŸ™‚
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Phosphor
May 25, 2005
::ahem::

Chris…could you elaborate a little about the difficulty and potential slowness aspects? Perhaps if I understand a little more, I might not continue to be such a pesterhead.

Then again, that’s never stopped me before.

πŸ˜‰ πŸ™‚
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Chris_Cox
May 25, 2005
I can’t elaborate much because you don’t know the code involved.

Making it work right, and work in a reasonable amount of time is not as easy as it sounds.
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Phosphor
May 25, 2005
"… you don’t know the code involved."

<pesterhead mode ?level="only slightly annoying"> OK, I’ll give you that. But how about a layman’s explanation tailored to someone who isn’t a complete bonehead (most of the time, anyway). At the very least, a quick comparison with why the guideline functions of Illustrator 8 work quite well, even if I have loaded a document with 20 MB of raster image layers, and why this is so much different than it would be for Photoshop.
</pesterhead mode>

πŸ™‚
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Chris_Cox
May 25, 2005
There is no more detail that I can give you.

Beyond that explanation, you need to see the code and analyze the complexity of the problem (from a code standpoint).
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Phosphor
May 25, 2005
::discontented siiiighhhh::

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