Canon i9000 – lack of Adobe RGB profile support?

It can support any colorspace — just convert to the printer profile before printing (or in the printer dialog).

In article , DL
wrote:

Hi,

I seem to be just finding out that my Canon i9000 does not have support for anything other than the sRGB color space. They do provide support with other printers. I still trying to get more info from Canon support; is this an issue
that’s well known? Has Canon committed to providing support Adobe RGB in the future?

I can’t believe that they support this with other printers, but not their $500 top of the line model?

Any work-arounds known?

Thanks,

-Dick

"DL" wrote in message

Hi,

I seem to be just finding out that my Canon i9000 does not have support

for

anything other than the sRGB color space. They do provide support with

other

printers. I still trying to get more info from Canon support; is this an

issue

that’s well known? Has Canon committed to providing support Adobe RGB in

the

future?

I can’t believe that they support this with other printers, but not their

$500

top of the line model?

Unbelievable, if true. If you use just one or two papers, have Chromix or Profile City make custom paper profiles, and follow their directions. You’ll end up using Photoshop to convert the image to those profiles and the printer driver won’t get in the way at all. You’ll be able to use whatever working color space you want, and you’ll get a far better screen-to-printer match to boot.

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It’s all lies and a KGB plot to overthrow a perfectly good printer. Instructions:
Go to ‘start’
control panel
printers
right click the canon S9000 printer icon
click the tab ‘Color Management’
Associate the colour profile BJPRN2 with this printer and make it the default profile.

Whenever you create a masterpiece you want to print, just press the print icon and use the default printer profile. Simple, eh? Make sure when you print, you choose the appropriate paper type. Ilford Galerie (for example) needs photo film as the paper type and don’t ever use Kodak papers in a S9000.

The Yowie
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"Flycaster" wrote in message

Unbelievable, if true. If you use just one or two papers, have Chromix or Profile City make custom paper profiles, and follow their directions. You’ll end up using Photoshop to convert the image to those profiles and

the

printer driver won’t get in the way at all. You’ll be able to use

whatever

working color space you want, and you’ll get a far better

screen-to-printer

match to boot.

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On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 01:43:59 GMT, DL wrote:

Just to clarify a few things…

I was finding that I got unexpected results while printing using Canon papers from the Adobe RGB color space (from Photoshop CS). Things were better when I selected ICM when printing, and digging through the documentation, this causes a conversion to the sRGB color space before printing. Canon did send me info about how to print from Adobe RGB while retaining max. gamut, but it turns out that info did not apply to the i9000 printer.

Again, I’m still trying to get clarification from Canon on all this; so far the common theme among the replies is that it’s best to use sRGB with this printer. As someone else said, this seems unbelievable, if true. In fact, here’s a quote from a Canon tech: "At this point only the i560, i860, i900D and i960 driver contain the Adobe RGB profiles."

This seems like unbelievable sloth on Canon’s part so far… How can they expect to compete with the Epson 1280 with this kind of support? Can you tell I’m mad?

-Dick

Hi,

I seem to be just finding out that my Canon i9000 does not have support for anything other than the sRGB color space. They do provide support with other printers. I still trying to get more info from Canon support; is this an issue that’s well known? Has Canon committed to providing support Adobe RGB in the future?

I can’t believe that they support this with other printers, but not their $500 top of the line model?

Any work-arounds known?

Thanks,

-Dick

On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 04:18:18 GMT, DL wrote:

On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 01:43:59 GMT, DL wrote:

Just to clarify a few things…

I was finding that I got unexpected results while printing using Canon papers from the Adobe RGB color space (from Photoshop CS). Things were better when I selected ICM when printing, and digging through the documentation, this causes a conversion to the sRGB color space before printing. Canon did send me info about how to print from Adobe RGB while retaining max. gamut, but it turns out that info did not apply to the i9000 printer.

Again, I’m still trying to get clarification from Canon on all this; so far the common theme among the replies is that it’s best to use sRGB with this printer. As someone else said, this seems unbelievable, if true. In fact, here’s a quote from a Canon tech: "At this point only the i560, i860, i900D and i960 driver contain the Adobe RGB profiles."

This seems like unbelievable sloth on Canon’s part so far… How can they expect to compete with the Epson 1280 with this kind of support? Can you tell I’m mad?

Adobe RGB isn’t a printer color space. It’s suitable
only as a working space or profile connection space
(PCS.) Unless you have a suitable ICC profile
(.icc or .icm) for your printer, you will need to let the printer driver do your printing for you, and use sRGB
as your working space.

A few paper and ink manufacturers have generic
profiles available for download (eg. Red River Paper).

You can also find a few here:

http://www.wandb.com/icc.htm

In a nutshell, it’s not really Canon’s responsibility
to provide profiles for every available paper that
you might choose to print on. As is typical, they’ve
chosen to provide a handful of proprietary profiles
for their own papers, assuming you use their own
ink as well. These should work fine, as long as
you stick with sRGB as your working space.

With a proper ICC profile for the printer/paper/ink,
you should be able to use whatever working space
you like, as long as you follow the proper procedures
for the image editor you’re using — either Photoshop
or some other ICC-compliant tool.

rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com

On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 06:03:49 GMT, Raphael Bustin
wrote:

On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 04:18:18 GMT, DL wrote:

On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 01:43:59 GMT, DL wrote:

<snip> In fact, here’s a quote

from a Canon tech: "At this point only the i560, i860, i900D and i960 driver contain the Adobe RGB profiles."

<snip>

Adobe RGB isn’t a printer color space. It’s suitable
only as a working space or profile connection space
(PCS.) Unless you have a suitable ICC profile
(.icc or .icm) for your printer, you will need to let the printer driver do your printing for you, and use sRGB
as your working space.

Yes, this is the only thing that’s working at all…

You can also find a few here:

http://www.wandb.com/icc.htm

Thanks for the pointer, I’ll try ’em out, especially since I have a ton of epson paper left over.

In a nutshell, it’s not really Canon’s responsibility
to provide profiles for every available paper that
you might choose to print on. As is typical, they’ve
chosen to provide a handful of proprietary profiles
for their own papers, assuming you use their own
ink as well. These should work fine, as long as
you stick with sRGB as your working space.

Yes but… Canon has chosen to support Adobe RGB profiles in 4 of their printers, but not the i9100. If I knew this before hand, I would have bought another Epson. To me this indicates Canon isn’t taking the printing market, or at least this segment, seriously.

With a proper ICC profile for the printer/paper/ink,
you should be able to use whatever working space
you like, as long as you follow the proper procedures
for the image editor you’re using — either Photoshop
or some other ICC-compliant tool.

rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 03:51:55 GMT, DL wrote:

On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 06:03:49 GMT, Raphael Bustin
wrote:

Thanks for the pointer, I’ll try ’em out, especially since I have a ton of epson paper left over.

In a nutshell, it’s not really Canon’s responsibility
to provide profiles for every available paper that
you might choose to print on. As is typical, they’ve
chosen to provide a handful of proprietary profiles
for their own papers, assuming you use their own
ink as well. These should work fine, as long as
you stick with sRGB as your working space.

Yes but… Canon has chosen to support Adobe RGB profiles in 4 of their printers, but not the i9100. If I knew this before hand, I would have bought another Epson. To me this indicates Canon isn’t taking the printing market, or at least this segment, seriously.

Canon’s a relatively new player in this market
and IMO are a bit confused about how to approach it,
or exactly who they’re marketing to.

For example, the Canon print driver on my S9000 is
seriously dumbed down compared to the typical
Epson print driver.

The S9000 has a very fine but very annoying vertical
banding that cannot be adjusted out. Were it not for
that banding, I’d have to say the S9000’s output is
the best I’ve ever seen from an inkjet.

Epson has support for pigment inks, whereas Canon
doesn’t yet — at least not in any desktop machine.
But then, Canons are faster… way, way faster than
any Epson I’ve owned.

Overall I’m fairly pleased with my S9000 but not
sure whether my next inkjet printer will be Canon or
Epson or… other.

rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com

Raphael,
Several of my customers using S9000 printers have complained about the same problem. Some of them have eliminated the problem by making sure their printer has no "plugback" transformers or other electro magnetic generating devises within a few feet of it. If it is within a foot or so of your monitor, it should be moved too. I don’t have the problem with my own S9000 but I can make it happen by putting a transformer next to it. DD
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"Raphael Bustin" wrote in message

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 03:51:55 GMT, DL wrote:

On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 06:03:49 GMT, Raphael Bustin

wrote:

Thanks for the pointer, I’ll try ’em out, especially since I have a ton

of epson

paper left over.

In a nutshell, it’s not really Canon’s responsibility
to provide profiles for every available paper that
you might choose to print on. As is typical, they’ve
chosen to provide a handful of proprietary profiles
for their own papers, assuming you use their own
ink as well. These should work fine, as long as
you stick with sRGB as your working space.

Yes but… Canon has chosen to support Adobe RGB profiles in 4 of their printers, but not the i9100. If I knew this before hand, I would have

bought

another Epson. To me this indicates Canon isn’t taking the printing

market, or

at least this segment, seriously.

Canon’s a relatively new player in this market
and IMO are a bit confused about how to approach it,
or exactly who they’re marketing to.

For example, the Canon print driver on my S9000 is
seriously dumbed down compared to the typical
Epson print driver.

The S9000 has a very fine but very annoying vertical
banding that cannot be adjusted out. Were it not for
that banding, I’d have to say the S9000’s output is
the best I’ve ever seen from an inkjet.

Epson has support for pigment inks, whereas Canon
doesn’t yet — at least not in any desktop machine.
But then, Canons are faster… way, way faster than
any Epson I’ve owned.

Overall I’m fairly pleased with my S9000 but not
sure whether my next inkjet printer will be Canon or
Epson or… other.

rafe b.
http://www.terrapinphoto.com

In article , DL
wrote:

On Mon, 02 Feb 2004 01:43:59 GMT, DL wrote:

Just to clarify a few things…

I was finding that I got unexpected results while printing using Canon papers from the Adobe RGB color space (from Photoshop CS). Things were better when I selected ICM when printing, and digging through the documentation, this causes a
conversion to the sRGB color space before printing. Canon did send me info about how to print from Adobe RGB while retaining max. gamut, but it turns out that info did not apply to the i9000 printer.

Again, I’m still trying to get clarification from Canon on all this; so far the
common theme among the replies is that it’s best to use sRGB with this printer.
As someone else said, this seems unbelievable, if true. In fact, here’s a quote
from a Canon tech: "At this point only the i560, i860, i900D and i960 driver contain the Adobe RGB profiles."

That might be true.
But you don’t have to use any particular RGB profile when printing — you just convert to the printer’s profile and print (and don’t let the driver do anything else to the data).

It really is that simple.

Chris