Help with Billboard Project

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Mr._Jan_Doddy
Nov 9, 2006
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Hello, I’m using CS2 and I need to create a file for a client for a billboard. The canvas is 7" x 24" at 300 dpi and what I’m doing is this;

I have taken about 20 groups and 30 doctors that need to be randomly placed with some partially ontop of or in front of others.

My question is this, how do I remove or make transparent the upper part of the background only of the group photographs I’ve taken? I don’t need to lift the whole group from the background, just the top half. I would need the background to be the image behind it.

Thanks for your help.

Jan

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chrisjbirchall
Nov 9, 2006
Seems one hell of a project to have taken on if you are not proficient in making the accurite selections required for a clean cut-out.

In Photoshop, the Extract tool (under the Filters menu) is going to be the best for isolating the image from its background.

Read up about it in the manual/help files and get plenty of practise in before attempting this on your billboard project.

Best of luck with it.

Chris.
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Joe_Zydeco
Nov 9, 2006
Jan, not to be flippant, but to lift the top half of something, you select the top half of it, and by definition, the background is "the image behind it." So, what is your desired background?

If you could elaborate on what you mean by "top half," and exactly what you want to isolate, the gurus here will be able to provide better help.

If your task is to create a collage from parts of photos, select what you want from each photo and save each part to its own file. Then, after color- and level-correcting each file, start with a background file, open all the "parts" files and use the Move tool to drag each part into the background image. After dragging, you will likely have to use the Transform function to size each part appropriately.
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chrisjbirchall
Nov 9, 2006
After dragging, you will likely have to use the Transform function to size each part appropriately.

Transforming is a "destructive" process, but one that only really becomes a problem if you repeatedly alter the size of a layer.

If you feel you might need to keep tweaking the size of the various elements whilst putting together the montage, you’d be better off using the "Place" command.

Each element will be "placed" as a "smart object" and as such can be repeatedly resized with out affecting the quality.

Chris.
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Joe_Zydeco
Nov 9, 2006
Chris, that’s good info. The use of "Place" rings a vague bell in my vague mind, but it did not occur to me today. Thanks!
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Mr._Jan_Doddy
Nov 9, 2006
Folks, thanks for getting back to me. Yes, Chris it is a big project!

How do I explain this better – I will be making 2 or 3 rows of the groups of images, and I will need to free transform to create the correct prospective as if I had all 130 people there as one hugh photograph, however, that wasn’t an option. So, think of this as one big image with a row of people in the back, another row in front of them and possible another in front of them too. What I need to do is bring in the second row in front of the bottom half of the first row, and a third row in front of the second.

This means, the top of row 2’s background is the bottom half of row one (the top row).

Is this helping?

Jan
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Donald_Reese
Nov 10, 2006
Sounds to me like you want to use layer masks to hide or reveal different elements,or am i misunderstanding? in other words,to simplify,you want to do something like bring in a lone person to a group shot and make that person appear to be standing behind the others naturally? am i off base and totally missing the idea here?
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Mr._Jan_Doddy
Nov 10, 2006
Donald, yes, that’s the idea, however, I will be bringing in groups and the front row will be individuals.

Layer masks? I have a total of 19 groups and 30 doctors to merge onto this file. So, there will be 49 layers if I’m doing this correct?
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Donald_Reese
Nov 10, 2006
Good luck,you have your work cut out.make sure you save your work periodically or you might want to jump off a bridge if you lose hours of effort.
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Ho
Nov 11, 2006
And always remember: There’s nothing like seeing a mistake on a billboard, especially when it’s yours.
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Mr._Jan_Doddy
Nov 13, 2006
Cheeze, your guys are tough!

Anyway, the layer masks seems to be working well and yes – lots of work!

As for saveing – after each new group is added! I also have several copies in case.

Thanks for the suggestions!

Oh, one more question, someone stated that "Free Transform" is distructive, is this true when you are down sizing the files that you are bringing in?

Jan
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Ho
Nov 13, 2006
The damage is minimal, but repeated transforms will take their toll.
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chrisjbirchall
Nov 13, 2006
someone stated that "Free Transform" is distructive, is this true when you are down sizing the files

That "someone" was me. 🙂

Interpolation (resizing) will cause "damage" to an image regardless of whether you upsize or downsize. Either way you are having to reconstruct the image across a different number of pixels.

As Howard pointed out, this is minimal when you resize the once. Each subsequent resizing operation, however, will further degrade the image.

That is why the "Place" command is essential for this type of comping/montage work. Because the image comes in as a "Smart Object", interpolation takes place just once, regardless of the number of times you use "Transform" to alter the size.

Chris.
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Mr._Jan_Doddy
Nov 15, 2006
Chris, thanks! I will try that command. I did some playing around on another file to see how it works.

Now if I can get my client to stop changing her mind, I would have this project done already!

Jan
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Mr._Jan_Doddy
Nov 20, 2006
Here is my finished part. The billboard is being made now – text and logos are being added to the top and right side.

There are 49 images there on one re-created background.

< http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1oNoAdmavoj1nSigXu gPcGWJx6tjrA>

Thanks for your help!

Jan
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Phosphor
Nov 20, 2006
Good job, Jan!
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deebs
Nov 20, 2006
I too think it is a great job but … there is something that seems (only in my humble opinion) to grate a little bit were I doing to composition and that is: people on chairs/seats.

Most other people are standing with neat selections that create good dynamics.

Of the four seats that are visible I’d be tempted to take another four pictures of them standing up else tweak the composition to hide the chairs. It seems to be too busy and dark under the seats so a retake is …

Apart from that: great!
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Phosphor
Nov 20, 2006
It’s a billboard, Deebs.

Most folks won’t notice, or take enough time to inspect it for that sort of thing, or even care.

Well, except for Jan, now that you’ve commented about it.

🙂
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John Joslin
Nov 20, 2006
It’s always nice to get feedback here on the forum – especially when it’s a success!
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deebs
Nov 20, 2006
I still think, no matter how trivially the observation is taken, that it spoils a nice clean cut to the rest of the image.

But isn’t that what creativity is about?

Put half a dozen people in a room and ask an opinion and so forth …
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Phosphor
Nov 20, 2006
Ever design for billboards, deebs?

I have.
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deebs
Nov 20, 2006
Uh-huh. Nope, never.

I am not saying you are wrong – I am saying I disagree 🙂

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