noobee color questions.

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Mark_Something
Apr 21, 2007
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Ok, I do not understand changing colors of things. It "appears" that sometimes you can and sometimes you can’t.
Sometimes I see the fill bucket and sometimes I don’t. How do I know which objects I can change the color of….and how???
For instance, in CS2, IR, I create a new background, rectangular tool, blue gel button. Can I change that blue to a different color in the gel button?? And what about on the rollover, can I change the rollover base color? how? I know the answer is right in front of my face.
I’ve ordered a cd on PS. I can’t wait to get it. PSD help, for the new guy is not very user friendly. At least not for me.
Thanks for color help
Mark

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Bernie
Apr 21, 2007
Hum,

It would help if you had a more specific question.

You can pretty much always change the colour of certain areas of your image (PS doesn’t really deal with objects the way most other softwares do, rather it deals with pixels)

To change the colour of something, you can use an image adjustment or paint it, which one you do all depends on exactly what needs to be done.

google < http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%22photoshop+for+beg inners%22+%2Btutorial&btnG=Google+Search&meta=> is also a good source of tutorials of aall kinds
MS
Mark_Something
Apr 21, 2007
Ok, good idea. I guess my question would be:

"Why doesn’t my paintbucket tool show up on the toolbar?"

Thanks!
Mark
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Ed_Hannigan
Apr 21, 2007
The colors of anything can always be changed. It’s a matter of whether you are dealing with pixel objects or vectors or if perhaps the color is part of a Layer Style.

The Paint Bucket is not always the best way to fill with color. Often making a selection and choosing Edit>Fill is better (Alt-Delete). BUT you have to be aware that vector type objects cannot be changed that way. For those objects, double-clicking in the Layers Palette will bring up the Color Picker which lets you pick a new color.

Similarly, in Layer Styles there are places in the LS dialog that give you the option.

I tend to make my graphics in Photoshop and use ImageReady )if at all) for output. Not sure how your button is constructed (an action?) but I am sure there is a way to determine and change its color. All I can say is that as you learn more and more the program will start to make sense and it becomes clear how to do things.

I’d give the Help files another try. The first couple of sections which cover the tools and workspace can be very enlightening.
EH
Ed_Hannigan
Apr 21, 2007
Whenever you see a black triangle in the Tools that means you can click and hold to reveal other tools. The Paint Bucket appears in different places in Photoshop and ImageReady. In PS it’s "under" the Gradient tool. In IR it’s in with the Brush tool.
EH
Ed_Hannigan
Apr 21, 2007
As an aside I would mention that many of us here started off with earlier, simpler versions of Photoshop. As the program developed through different versions, new tools and possibilities were added but the program basics remain essentially the same. I’d hate to have to learn it from scratch nowadays.
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Phosphor
Apr 21, 2007
"I’d hate to have to learn it from scratch nowadays."

You’re not kidding, Ed.

When I first encountered Photoshop v 2.5 at the job I worked at the time, I just dabbled, but was inspired. I continued to play a little at work when I had the time, for the next several years or so. When I got my first computer in 1997, I bought v 4.0 and spent a full year, up to 8 hours almost every day, teaching myself the grand and finer concepts of the app, and got a really good handle on it. I’ve upgraded steadily until now.

I just upgraded from PS 7 to PS CS2 yesterday, and even between those versions, I have a lot of new stuff to learn. But at least I have a good solid grounding in the basic concepts. Attempting to look at PS CS2 with fresh eyes, I can see how daunting it would be to a newcomer.
JJ
John Joslin
Apr 21, 2007
That’s why I advise everyone who asks about Photoshop (and there are dozens of digital newbies, even in this remote neck of the woods) to get themselves PS Elements.

I haven’t checked out the Gimp lately – I bet that’s come on in leaps and bounds too!
MS
Mark_Something
Apr 21, 2007
Ok…I give..I need a hand…
CS2, IR, New, defaults,tab rectangle tool, gel button (default blue). How do I take that button and make it have a red color, then when mouse over it turns to a green? Text stays black.
I understand about layering in the text.
I just simply can’t get a grasp on how to change the colors of this stupid button. In layers, click the sideways arrow and the drop down list comes….then what???? OMG, I have to be into sadomasachism to be enjoying this. 🙂 THANK YOU!
Mark
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Phosphor
Apr 21, 2007
Show us a screen shot of your Layers Palette, with any groups expanded. I suspect it’s just a matter of a simple color overlay, or changing the color of a Shape Layer.

Use Pixentral to host you image, if necessary:
<http://www.pixentral.com>
MS
Mark_Something
Apr 21, 2007
Thank you Phos and others:
Here it is:
< http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1ST17vMpgQM1k6LOrz qr7wmRw2jMX1>

Actually I am very good with pc/ software issues and I hate to ask for help, but I feel completely overwhelmed by PS. It’s very powerful I can see.
I look forward to riding this wild horse better.
Thanks!
Mark
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Phosphor
Apr 21, 2007
Double-Click on the left icon in your Shape Layer.

Your color picker will come up, and you’ll be able to change color.

And/Or…you can click on the Color Overlay" sub-layer in the Effects grouping, and change color there. You may have to change the way it blends with the rest of the effects sub-layers.

You may have to experiment with both at the same time, because of the way they interact with each other.
MS
Mark_Something
Apr 21, 2007
Ok, great thanks! Now…I can change the resting color, but on mouse-over all the "base" colors are blue. I’ve experimented with all I can find and I just keep getting a great outside color, but blue when it mouses over.
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Phosphor
Apr 21, 2007
I thought you wanted the color to change OnMouseover?

Your description of what is happening versus what you want to happen is becoming unclear.

Have you spent any quality time with the Help Files?
DP
Daryl_Pritchard
Apr 21, 2007
Hi Mark,

One thing also that may seem rather hidden, is simply how each effect applied in the Layer Effects may contribute its own color settings to affect select parts of a layer. Perhaps you’ve already seen that; if not, just double-click on one of the effects to open the Layer Style dialog. Then, work your way down the list, selecting each option that is active to see what the detailed settings for that option are. You may find a few answers in doing that.

Apart from the Layer Style dialog and moving to the question about a mouse-over, if you watch the Layers Palette as you set up the mousing states, each state may enable/disable different layers or perhaps even different layer effects. If the mouse-over state is not providing the desired results, then pay attention to what it enables/disables and explore that affected content.

I’m not sure this will be of any help or not, given that I didn’t write up any detailed steps, but here is a page I made up once for either PS7 or PS CS to just give an overview of how a rollover button can be created: <http://www.ambress.com/photoshop/rollover/index.htm>

Regards,

Daryl
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Mark_Something
Apr 21, 2007
Ok, I apologize..yes, I have spent time. Apparantly it’s not "quality" time or my dumb butt would have gotten this simple thing by now. I just simply cannot seem to wrap myself around this thing.
I am going to just back away and wait on the cd to arrive. You guys nailed it when you said how hard it is for a newbee, earlier in this thread. It is aweful. The problem is that it appears it’s intuitive for a select few. And, haha, I’m NOT the select few. I just can’t find my way around like you guys who’ve done it for so long.
I am certainly not stupid, but I will get it.
But to clarify:
I have made a button in Image ready from the drop down list. The button is gel and blue, on rest and on mouseover.
I want the button to be red at rest and orange when mouseover. I can get the button to be red at rest.
No matter what I do, I cannot get the button to change to orange on mouseover. There..that is the problem.
But as I said, I’m going to just back away for awhile and wait on the cd to come. It’s makin me tense and irritated cause I can’t figure it out and make happen on the screen what I see in my head.
but still, THANKS for help and patience.
Mark
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Mark_Something
Apr 22, 2007
Ok, I’m back. I set back to work on it today.
Now, if someone, ANYONE can help here, please do this for me. Photoshop, Image ready:
File, new, whatever size you want.

tab rectangle tool, select gell rollover in the styles. Draw a rectangle; it’ll be all blue by default.
Now, change the color overlay to orange for example. Ok now preview it. Now WHY o WHY and HOW o HOW do you change the button to be something, anything other than blue when you roll the mouse over it??
How do you change the "bottom layer" to white when the mouse rolls over it?? I’m sorry guys, this is driving me nuts to get this figured out. Thanks,
Mark
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Daryl_Pritchard
Apr 22, 2007
Mark,

Sorry…I should’ve just done this in ImageReady yesterday since PS doesn’t have the Gel rollover style, nor the Web Content palette which is needed to see the source of your irritation: The "Over" state by default, is remaining blue, regardless of having applied the orange overlay per your example. The Web Content palette is another of those areas, similar to unexpanded layer styles, where things may be a bit hidden from you until you learn where to look.

What you need to do is select each rollover state you have available and, for that state, return to the Layer Palette to change the layer content and effects as desired.

That should do the trick for you. 🙂

Daryl
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Mark_Something
Apr 22, 2007
Daryl. THANK YOU! This gives me a starting point. I had to turn that "web content" window on to find that. Now that’s on, I get the color table, that’s all blue hues and web content tab. That gives me a place to start "spending some quality time" in the help files.
As I said, I do build small websites for people and this guy wanted a preview tomorrow and I wanted to take my hand at this rollover button deal.
Guess I’ll spend awhile late tonite working on those.
Thanks!
Mark
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Daryl_Pritchard
Apr 23, 2007
Glad to be of help Mark. I may have learned something in the process also, as I think I’ve typically created a separate layer for each rollover state, not realizing the state itself was a layer of sorts or perhaps a "snapshot" of the related layer in a given state.

Daryl
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Mark_Something
Apr 23, 2007
Daryl, I am still working with that web content panel to find that "base" color of that state. I open the color table tab, click the exclamation point that sits in the lower left hand corner and these million boxes of shades of blue come up.
How would I get another color table instead of blue??
Actually, it’s funny, blue is my fav color. well, used to be.. 🙂
DP
Daryl_Pritchard
Apr 23, 2007
Hi Mark,

I’m not all that savvy with ImageReady although I do use it from time to time, and the Color Table is one thing I’ve never used. So, I can’t really answer your question about it without digging into the manual or help files myself. I don’t even know what he exclamation mark is about unless it is some sort of web-safe color flag, to hazard a guess.

Regardless, to change the blue base color of the state, what I used was the Layers Palette after first selecting the rollover state. I expanded out the Layer Effects by clicking on the arrow to the left of the script F and then double-clicked the Color Overlay effect. Alternatively, just double-click the F to go directly to the Layer Effects dialog and then select the Color Overlay. Then, in the Color Overlay dialog, change the color as desired.

Hope that helps,

Daryl
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Mark_Something
Apr 25, 2007
Daryl, you have been a fantastic help! And very nice too. But..alas…I can’t get it done. Being the noobee, I don’t even know what "script F" means in PS, let alone where to find it.
As I said, I am still waiting on a cd I ordered to help me with PS. I’m also finding insights into PS thru some sites like photoshop planet, photoshop tv. (which conveniently rss into my Google homepage.)
If anyone else can have mercy on the poor new guy and direct me on how to change the base color of the rollover gel buttons, it’d surely be appreciated.
Oh and by the way, I just became the webmaster for a chain of restaurants locally that have 12 sites.
So, I can do pretty good, just can’t wrap myself around that gel button color thingy. Thanks!
Mark
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Daryl_Pritchard
Apr 25, 2007
Mark,

I’m learning more as I try to help too….That "script f" as I could only think to describe it, is in the Layers palette and is just an indicator that layer effects are active. It is the blackish circe with what appears to be a letter "f" inside, at the right end of the layer. Just left of that is a triangular arrow that, upon clicking, will expand the layer effects out to reveal which ones are in use.

Hopefully a quick demo video I made up will clear all this up for you, much as it also did for me. I think at the root of your difficulties is something I just realized as I made the video: When you apply the style, the fact that it also creates the initial rollover state for "over" means that you now have not only the parent layer but that rollover state also as "containers" for items contributing color modifications. To avoid confusion, I found it best to delete that initial state, change the colors as needed for the parent layer, then spawn the new rollover states from that layer so that the same color changes applied to the parent layer also propagate to the states. The video should clarify this, and you will find it as a 15MB flash video at <http://ambress.com/photoshop/gel_rollover>.

Regards,

Daryl
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Mark_Something
Apr 25, 2007
DARYL!! WOW! I cannot say how impressed I am, how thankful I am, and well, I could go on. I am excited about getting home from work tonite and working on this.
That is exactly what I needed and I hope that others that needed it find out it is here. Great job ! Hat’s off! Crowd cheering! Roses thrown! beer cans crushed on heads! haha Mark
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Daryl_Pritchard
Apr 25, 2007
Glad to be of help Mark. Making a video was something I nearly did earlier on, but thought my replies were sufficient. But, that was just an example of what may seem obvious to one isn’t necessarily obvious to another. And, as I did learn more with answering each successive question from you, it just goes to show that there was more to the problem than first met the eye…as is often true in learning the depths of Photoshop.

Daryl

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