White Product on White Background – Can’t get image to look good

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Al
Aug 7, 2007
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Hi Forum Viewers!,

I’m in desparate need of help here… You’ve all seen the product shots on ecommerce websites, the product image is nicely displayed on a pure white background and everything looks lovely. The product has realistic tones and it doesn’t look like it’s been cut out of a magazine and stuck on the page by a seven year old!

Here’s where my problem occurs. I have a mainly white product (it’s an expanded shot of a candle in glass sitting outside the white box with a red rose printed on it) against a white cloth background. I need to remove the cloth leaving just the product and making sure that the colour of the glass doesn’t get removed.

I’ve tried many many things to resolve this issue. I’ve used levels to just lighten the background untill it dissapears (but the white product box disapears at the same time), I’ve tried using blend if.. (in the blens modes dialog box) and the same thing happens. I’ve tried Cybia’s ‘AlphaWorks’ plugin to remove white backgrounds but that didn’t work (displayed similar effect to the levels command).

I even painstakingly cut out the product and manually erased the background and this looked terrible. Even when I tried to apply a little drop shadow. Unfortunately it has to be on a white background to fit in with the website and mailings the image is being created for, otherwise the images look lovely on a black background.

If anyone has ANY advise I would be so gratefull as I’m ripping my hair out over this!

The Tech bit:

I’m running Photoshop CS2 on Windows, Image size: 3864 x 2520 @ 240 ppi An example of what I’m looking to create is here: (the picture of the bed) http://www.thewhitecompany.com/department2.aspx?DepGrpCode=& amp;DepCode=RIFB

Many thanks in advance,

Alex

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Phosphor
Aug 7, 2007
Often, success in doing what you’re asking about all starts with really good product lighting techniques. Bad lighting=difficulty in further manipulation.

Post a link to a reasonably large version (up to 2 MB) of the image you’re talking about.

You can use <http://www.pixentral.com> for hosting.
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Tom Glowka
Aug 7, 2007
Al

If it were my job, I would outline using the pen, make a path, delete the background, save the path, select the picture and follow by tweaking using the Brightness/Contrast and Shadow/Highlight under Image/Adjustments.

Note the shadows on the bed. Proper lighting (2 or 3 lights) will give you a nice result with realistic shadows.
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Al
Aug 8, 2007
Phos…

Cheers for taking the time to look at this for me. I really appreciated it!

< http://www.pixentral.com/show.php?picture=1uUDGXZ7TTaq83MiLz B2Qf9iiNPQ1>

As suggested I’ve posted a JPG version of the image just to show you what I’m working with. I’ve tried all sorts of different settings for taking the picture and the one I’ve posted is in a light box with 3 light sources on it (1 standard light and two 3500 Tungstan lights). Seems that I need to do a little research into lighting techniques! 😉

Tom,

Again thank you for taking the time to reply to my post. Your suggestion sounds similar to what I’ve done in the past, but once I make sure that I’m using good enough lighting techniques I will follow your instructions. Previously I’ve been using the Poly Lasso (Zoomed as far in as I could go) and Quick Masks to cut the product away from the background and levels and adjusting blend modes to attempt to sit the product nicely on a white background.

Alex
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Phosphor
Aug 8, 2007
I don’t mean to browbeat, but you really need to work on your focus/D.O.F. too.

It occurs to me that many excellent product shots take advantage of a really nice fabric background, rather than trying to get rid of it. The composition of your photo is nice; have you considered how gracefullly lit gentle folds of white satin might enhance the shot?

Just an idea…
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LenHewitt
Aug 8, 2007
Al,

A sharper image would make extraction from the background far easier. That is very soft.
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Al
Aug 8, 2007
Phos…. & Len,

Cheers for your comments. Point received loud and clear, as soon as I uploaded that picture I saw that it was very blurry. *embarrassed look*

and Phos… I totally agree with your idea about fabric backgrounds enhancing the picture, and I had initially suggested similar ideas to my boss, unfortunately my brief dictates that the image is laid on a pure white background.

Ok well thank you again for all of your help all of you. I will visit the opticians and get some glasses so I can tell if pictures are in focus and then re-shoot the images and try the suggestions that have been given.

If I’m successfull I’ll re-post the final image 😉

Alex
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chrisjbirchall
Aug 8, 2007
Photoshop make this type of work much easier than in the bad old days of film.

Personally, I’d shoot something like this on a dark grey backdrop. Not colour which might reflect in the white. Then it just takes a couple of clicks of the magic wand to extract the produce ready to place on your new virgin white background.
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Bernard_E_Saper
Aug 8, 2007
Alex
Having spent many years in the textile industry I learned long ago that there are many, and I mean many, shades of white. Why not try adding just a touch of "off white" to the background…enough to add just a bit of tonality against the other white areas in the image?

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John_R_Nielsen
Aug 8, 2007
Since this is a studio shot, with the camera presumably locked down on a tripod, maybe you could take a second, back-lighted exposure, and make a mask from that.

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