Currency Not Allowed in CS

I think it depends on how CS is defining currency. Maybe any text with $ in it, or any image with a picture and $ displayed at the same time. Paul Riemerman

"Donna" wrote in message

I have just been reading another newsgroup whereby the currency issue is being discussed. Seems that CS is not allowing scans of currency. I have a project in progress that I am using a multitude of $100 bills @50% size. Before I install CS, which I just received, could someone verify for me that
my project will open in CS? Guess I am asking someone with CS already installed to try and scan a $100 bill @ 50% size. Thanks.

No Donna, it won’t work.
See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/eurion.pdf for why.

For those who want to try it, here’s a link to an image of a $20 bill http://pbx.mine.nu/Series2004NoteFront.jpg

Try to open it with PS CS or 7 (not sure about 6 and below)

Sam

"Donna" wrote in message

I have just been reading another newsgroup whereby the currency issue is being discussed. Seems that CS is not allowing scans of currency. I have a project in progress that I am using a multitude of $100 bills @50% size. Before I install CS, which I just received, could someone verify for me

that

my project will open in CS? Guess I am asking someone with CS already installed to try and scan a $100 bill @ 50% size. Thanks.

"Donna" wrote in message

I have just been reading another newsgroup whereby the currency issue is being discussed. Seems that CS is not allowing scans of currency. I have a project in progress that I am using a multitude of $100 bills @50% size. Before I install CS, which I just received, could someone verify for me that my project will open in CS? Guess I am asking someone with CS already installed to try and scan a $100 bill @ 50% size. Thanks.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13522

"Sam" wrote in message

No Donna, it won’t work.
See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/eurion.pdf for why.

For those who want to try it, here’s a link to an image of a $20 bill http://pbx.mine.nu/Series2004NoteFront.jpg

Try to open it with PS CS or 7 (not sure about 6 and below)
Sam

"Donna" wrote in message

I have just been reading another newsgroup whereby the currency issue is being discussed. Seems that CS is not allowing scans of currency. I have

a

project in progress that I am using a multitude of $100 bills @50% size. Before I install CS, which I just received, could someone verify for me

that

my project will open in CS? Guess I am asking someone with CS already installed to try and scan a $100 bill @ 50% size. Thanks.

It opens up in 7 no problem. I don’t get it.

"Sam" wrote in message

No Donna, it won’t work.
See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/eurion.pdf for why.

For those who want to try it, here’s a link to an image of a $20 bill http://pbx.mine.nu/Series2004NoteFront.jpg

Try to open it with PS CS or 7 (not sure about 6 and below)
Sam

The file opens fine with PS 7.

My project was designed in PS7, which of course, works just fine. I guess I will have to put off installing CS until this project goes to the printer in PS7. This is truly annoying!

Another thought. Can I install CS and keep PS7 too?

"Jimmy" wrote in message

"Donna" wrote in message

I have just been reading another newsgroup whereby the currency issue is being discussed. Seems that CS is not allowing scans of currency. I have

a

project in progress that I am using a multitude of $100 bills @50% size. Before I install CS, which I just received, could someone verify for me

that

my project will open in CS? Guess I am asking someone with CS already installed to try and scan a $100 bill @ 50% size. Thanks.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=13522

"Jimmy" wrote in news:BODLb.62549$BQ5.3023
@fed1read03:

"Sam" wrote in message

No Donna, it won’t work.
See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/eurion.pdf for why.

For those who want to try it, here’s a link to an image of a $20 bill http://pbx.mine.nu/Series2004NoteFront.jpg

Try to open it with PS CS or 7 (not sure about 6 and below)
Sam

The file opens fine with PS 7.

That’s because the "technology" doesn’t exist in 7.

If you ever wondered why CS takes so damned long to open files, wonder no longer.

"Donna" wrote in message

My project was designed in PS7, which of course, works just fine. I guess

I

will have to put off installing CS until this project goes to the printer

in

PS7. This is truly annoying!

Another thought. Can I install CS and keep PS7 too?

It’s my understanding you can have 2.5 all the way up to CS installed on the same computer. Am I wrong somebody?

PS 7.01 and CS work fine here in the same PC.

Mike

"Bryce" wrote in message

"Donna" wrote in message

My project was designed in PS7, which of course, works just fine. I

guess

I

will have to put off installing CS until this project goes to the

printer

in

PS7. This is truly annoying!

Another thought. Can I install CS and keep PS7 too?

It’s my understanding you can have 2.5 all the way up to CS installed on

the

same computer. Am I wrong somebody?

Mike wrote:

PS 7.01 and CS work fine here in the same PC.

PS 6.01, 7.01 and CS works fine here too on the same PC. (WinXP Pro SP1).

PS 5.01, 5.5, 6.01 and 7.01 works fine too.
For a couple of months ago, I had them all installed at the same time (on Win2000 SP3 though, but I guess it works on WinXP too).

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Regards
Madsen.

"Eric Gill" wrote in message

If you ever wondered why CS takes so damned long to open files, wonder no longer.

I dunno, Eric, maybe it’s just my box, but PS 7.01 takes 6.2 seconds to open a 220MB PSD file, whereas in CS it takes a tick *under* 5.5. The true resource hog *appears* to be the File Browser…but I’m no engineer.

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"Donna" wrote in message

I have just been reading another newsgroup whereby the currency issue is being discussed. Seems that CS is not allowing scans of currency. I have a project in progress that I am using a multitude of $100 bills @50% size. Before I install CS, which I just received, could someone verify for me

that

my project will open in CS? Guess I am asking someone with CS already installed to try and scan a $100 bill @ 50% size. Thanks.

I too read about this issue in several forums. I decided to test and see what happens. I found that the problem exists with the latest design for US currency. Older designs work fine in PSCS. I also found that, on my computer and scanner, that I could scan successfully if the output size was set at 50%. My tests were done using $20 bills since I can’t afford a $100 bill.

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"Eric Gill" wrote in message

If you ever wondered why CS takes so damned long to open files, wonder no longer.

I dunno, Eric, maybe it’s just my box, but PS 7.01 takes 6.2 seconds to open a 220MB PSD file, whereas in CS it takes a tick *under* 5.5.

<shrug> Flat file or not?

The bizarre thing is that it’s the layered files that take the longest, despite their size. I have tiffs made for web graphics that are under five meg but have sixty layers or so – and take five *minutes* to open. Behavior consistent under OSX and Win2K.

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"Paul Riemerman" wrote in message

Maybe any text with $ in
it, or any image with a picture and $ displayed at the same time. Paul Riemerman

I don’t think that is the case at all. Incorporated in the design of the currency is a particular combination of objects positioned in a particular pattern that PS looks for in every file it opens. If it was merely a $ sign included with a picture or text, that would eliminate way too much. PS would be made unusable for many commercial design jobs.

I have just been reading another newsgroup whereby the currency issue is being discussed. Seems that CS is not allowing scans of currency. I have

a

project in progress that I am using a multitude of $100 bills @50% size. Before I install CS, which I just received, could someone verify for me

that

my project will open in CS? Guess I am asking someone with CS already installed to try and scan a $100 bill @ 50% size. Thanks.

I too read about this issue in several forums. I decided to test and see what happens. I found that the problem exists with the latest design for

US

currency. Older designs work fine in PSCS. I also found that, on my computer and scanner, that I could scan successfully if the output size

was

set at 50%. My tests were done using $20 bills since I can’t afford a

$100

bill.

how can you possibly afford photoshop then 😉

Paul Riemerman wrote:

I think it depends on how CS is defining currency. Maybe any text with $ in it, or any image with a picture and $ displayed at the same time.

It’s not the dollar sign.
See: <http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/eurion.pdf>

Quote:
| Modern colour photocopying machines refuse to copy many of the | more recent banknotes, such as the pound, mark or euro. But how do | they decide, what is a banknote? They search for a simple | geometric pattern, consisting of five 1 mm large circles that | appears on many more recent banknotes, usually in yellow, but | often also in green or orange. The circles are particularly well | visible in the blue channel, can be easily detected with a matched | filter and tested for the presence of the characteristic | constellation.

Photoshop CS refuses to open this image for instance:
<http://jyrikup.tripod.com/pics/new.png>.

—
Regards
Madsen.

I have both PS 7.01 and CS installed on the same computer. I normally do that, if at all possible,
to ease the transition.

Martye
"Donna" wrote in message
: My project was designed in PS7, which of course, works just fine. I guess I
: will have to put off installing CS until this project goes to the printer in
: PS7. This is truly annoying!
:
: Another thought. Can I install CS and keep PS7 too?
:

Thomas Madsen wrote:

PS 5.01

Wrong. 5.02.
5.01 doesn’t exist, as far as I remember.

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Regards
Madsen.

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 06:55:10 +0800, "–o–" wrote:

currency. Older designs work fine in PSCS. I also found that, on my computer and scanner, that I could scan successfully if the output size

was

set at 50%. My tests were done using $20 bills since I can’t afford a

$100

bill.

how can you possibly afford photoshop then 😉

He’s obviously just bought Photoshop – that’s *why* he can’t afford a $100 dollar bill 🙂

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Hecate

veni, vidi, reliqui

Don’t expect to many people to collaborate on this one!
When you install CS it goes into a seperate directory leaving your existing version still workable. What are you actually asking us to do here that you can’t already do yourself?
ABC

"Donna" wrote in message

I have just been reading another newsgroup whereby the currency issue is being discussed. Seems that CS is not allowing scans of currency. I have a project in progress that I am using a multitude of $100 bills @50% size. Before I install CS, which I just received, could someone verify for me

that

my project will open in CS? Guess I am asking someone with CS already installed to try and scan a $100 bill @ 50% size. Thanks.

"Eric Gill" wrote in message

<shrug> Flat file or not?

Nope, unflattened – about 9 adjustment layers and one image dupe layer.

The bizarre thing is that it’s the layered files that take the longest, despite their size. I have tiffs made for web graphics that are under five meg but have sixty layers or so – and take five *minutes* to open.

Behavior

consistent under OSX and Win2K.

Huh, dunno what to say.

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Can some send me a couple of $100 bills so I can try a scan on them please? ABC

"Hecate" wrote in message

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 06:55:10 +0800, "–o–" wrote:

currency. Older designs work fine in PSCS. I also found that, on my computer and scanner, that I could scan successfully if the output size

was

set at 50%. My tests were done using $20 bills since I can’t afford a

$100

bill.

how can you possibly afford photoshop then 😉

He’s obviously just bought Photoshop – that’s *why* he can’t afford a $100 dollar bill 🙂

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veni, vidi, reliqui

"Donna" wrote in message

I have just been reading another newsgroup whereby the currency issue is being discussed. Seems that CS is not allowing scans of currency. I have a project in progress that I am using a multitude of $100 bills @50% size. Before I install CS, which I just received, could someone verify for me

that

my project will open in CS? Guess I am asking someone with CS already installed to try and scan a $100 bill @ 50% size. Thanks.

I have CS installed and working fine. If you send me the $100 bill, I’ll try scanning it for you ;-{)

That helps me out. Since I had not installed CS yet, I didn’t know if it was going to overwrite my PS7 directory, but since you said it installed itself in a different directory, I will be able to keep PS7 and use it for my money project. I just didn’t want to be "locked out" from my money project. Thanks for the info.

"Alvie" wrote in message

Don’t expect to many people to collaborate on this one!
When you install CS it goes into a seperate directory leaving your

existing

version still workable. What are you actually asking us to do here that

you

can’t already do yourself?
ABC

"Donna" wrote in message

I have just been reading another newsgroup whereby the currency issue is being discussed. Seems that CS is not allowing scans of currency. I have

a

project in progress that I am using a multitude of $100 bills @50% size. Before I install CS, which I just received, could someone verify for me

that

my project will open in CS? Guess I am asking someone with CS already installed to try and scan a $100 bill @ 50% size. Thanks.

"Jimmy" wrote in message

"Sam" wrote in message

No Donna, it won’t work.
See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/eurion.pdf for why.

For those who want to try it, here’s a link to an image of a $20 bill http://pbx.mine.nu/Series2004NoteFront.jpg

Try to open it with PS CS or 7 (not sure about 6 and below)
Sam

The file opens fine with PS 7.

The new.png file and Series2004NoteFront.jpg DO NOT open in Photoshop CS. They do open in ImageReady CS.
Photoshop CS produces an error:
"This application does not support the unauthorised processing of banknote images."

Xerxes

CS will not allow scans of and will not open images the NEW $20 and $100 bills at full size over. It will at 50%, and probably at anything less than 75% though I haven’t tested the limit. PS 7 does. CS will scan the old $20 and $100 bills and all other bills just fine.

I scanned a new $20 bill at 50% with CS and it scanned fine, so you should be OK scanning the $100 bill at 50%. Unfortunately I don’t have a $100 bill, new or old.

The reason for this, to quote from the US Secret Service website at <<http://www.treas.gov/usss/money_illustrations.shtml>>:

"The Counterfeit Detection Act of 1992, Public Law 102-550, in Section 411 of Title 31 of the Code of Federal Regulations, permits color illustrations of U.S. currency provided:

1. the illustration is of a size less than three-fourths or more than one and one-half, in linear dimension, of each part of the item illustrated;

So go ahead and install CS (but keep PS 7 just in case), as it’s worth it IMHO for many other reasons.

Maris

Donna wrote:

I have just been reading another newsgroup whereby the currency issue is being discussed. Seems that CS is not allowing scans of currency. I have a project in progress that I am using a multitude of $100 bills @50% size. Before I install CS, which I just received, could someone verify for me that my project will open in CS? Guess I am asking someone with CS already installed to try and scan a $100 bill @ 50% size. Thanks.

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Thanks everybody, appreciate all info.

"Maris V. Lidaka Sr." wrote in message

CS will not allow scans of and will not open images the NEW $20 and $100 bills at full size over. It will at 50%, and probably at anything less

than

75% though I haven’t tested the limit. PS 7 does. CS will scan the old $20 and $100 bills and all other bills just fine.

I scanned a new $20 bill at 50% with CS and it scanned fine, so you should be OK scanning the $100 bill at 50%. Unfortunately I don’t have a $100 bill, new or old.

The reason for this, to quote from the US Secret Service website at <<http://www.treas.gov/usss/money_illustrations.shtml>>:
"The Counterfeit Detection Act of 1992, Public Law 102-550, in Section 411 of Title 31 of the Code of Federal Regulations, permits color illustrations of U.S. currency provided:

1. the illustration is of a size less than three-fourths or more than one and one-half, in linear dimension, of each part of the item illustrated;

So go ahead and install CS (but keep PS 7 just in case), as it’s worth it IMHO for many other reasons.

Maris

Donna wrote:

I have just been reading another newsgroup whereby the currency issue is being discussed. Seems that CS is not allowing scans of currency. I have a project in progress that I am using a multitude of $100 bills @50% size. Before I install CS, which I just received, could someone verify for me that my project will open in CS? Guess I am asking someone with CS already installed to try and scan a $100 bill @ 50% size. Thanks.

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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 07:31:44 -0700, "Donna"
wrote:

That helps me out. Since I had not installed CS yet, I didn’t know if it was going to overwrite my PS7 directory, but since you said it installed itself in a different directory, I will be able to keep PS7 and use it for my money project. I just didn’t want to be "locked out" from my money project. Thanks for the info.

When you’ve finished your ,money project, if you can mange to get to a computer in the pen, let us know how many years you got.. 😉

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Hecate

veni, vidi, reliqui

A follow-up news story:

Story Lead:
"Adobe Helped Gov’t Fight Counterfeiting

January 10, 2004 03:53 PM EST

WASHINGTON – Adobe Systems Inc. acknowledged Friday it quietly added technology to the world’s best-known graphics software at the request of government regulators and international bankers to prevent consumers from making copies of the world’s major currencies.

The unusual concession has angered scores of customers.

Adobe, the world’s leading vendor for graphics software, said the secretive technology "would have minimal impact on honest customers." It generates a warning message when someone tries to make digital copies of some currencies.

The U.S. Federal Reserve and other organizations that worked on the technology said they could not disclose how it works and would not name which other software companies include it in their products. They cited concerns that counterfeiters would try to defeat it."

Full Story:
http://start.earthlink.net/newsarticle?cat=2&aid=D8006CL 00_story

"Maris V. Lidaka Sr." wrote in message

CS will not allow scans of and will not open images the NEW $20 and $100 bills at full size over. It will at 50%, and probably at anything less

than

75% though I haven’t tested the limit. PS 7 does. CS will scan the old $20 and $100 bills and all other bills just fine.

I scanned a new $20 bill at 50% with CS and it scanned fine, so you should be OK scanning the $100 bill at 50%. Unfortunately I don’t have a $100 bill, new or old.

The reason for this, to quote from the US Secret Service website at <<http://www.treas.gov/usss/money_illustrations.shtml>>:
"The Counterfeit Detection Act of 1992, Public Law 102-550, in Section 411 of Title 31 of the Code of Federal Regulations, permits color illustrations of U.S. currency provided:

1. the illustration is of a size less than three-fourths or more than one and one-half, in linear dimension, of each part of the item illustrated;

So go ahead and install CS (but keep PS 7 just in case), as it’s worth it IMHO for many other reasons.

Maris

Donna wrote:

I have just been reading another newsgroup whereby the currency issue is being discussed. Seems that CS is not allowing scans of currency. I have a project in progress that I am using a multitude of $100 bills @50% size. Before I install CS, which I just received, could someone verify for me that my project will open in CS? Guess I am asking someone with CS already installed to try and scan a $100 bill @ 50% size. Thanks.

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Since I only have about a $ 1500 on my project, I shouldn’t get too many years 🙂

"Hecate" wrote in message

On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 07:31:44 -0700, "Donna"
wrote:

That helps me out. Since I had not installed CS yet, I didn’t know if it

was

going to overwrite my PS7 directory, but since you said it installed

itself

in a different directory, I will be able to keep PS7 and use it for my

money

project. I just didn’t want to be "locked out" from my money project.

Thanks

for the info.

When you’ve finished your ,money project, if you can mange to get to a computer in the pen, let us know how many years you got.. 😉
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Hecate

veni, vidi, reliqui

I’ve been following this thread, and also viewed a program on the "Discovery Channel" regarding the new US currency counterfeiting safeguards.

I’m puzzled as to how simply scanning a $20.00 or $100.00 bill into PhotoShop could jeopardize all those "trick", and expensive safeguards.

Am I missing something obvious here?

Mike

"Tin Ear" wrote in message

A follow-up news story:

Story Lead:
"Adobe Helped Gov’t Fight Counterfeiting

January 10, 2004 03:53 PM EST

WASHINGTON – Adobe Systems Inc. acknowledged Friday it quietly added technology to the world’s best-known graphics software at the request of government regulators and international bankers to prevent consumers from making copies of the world’s major currencies.

The unusual concession has angered scores of customers.

Adobe, the world’s leading vendor for graphics software, said the

secretive

technology "would have minimal impact on honest customers." It generates a warning message when someone tries to make digital copies of some currencies.

The U.S. Federal Reserve and other organizations that worked on the technology said they could not disclose how it works and would not name which other software companies include it in their products. They cited concerns that counterfeiters would try to defeat it."
Full Story:
http://start.earthlink.net/newsarticle?cat=2&aid=D8006CL 00_story

"Maris V. Lidaka Sr." wrote in message

CS will not allow scans of and will not open images the NEW $20 and $100 bills at full size over. It will at 50%, and probably at anything less

than

75% though I haven’t tested the limit. PS 7 does. CS will scan the

old

$20 and $100 bills and all other bills just fine.

I scanned a new $20 bill at 50% with CS and it scanned fine, so you

should

be OK scanning the $100 bill at 50%. Unfortunately I don’t have a $100 bill, new or old.

The reason for this, to quote from the US Secret Service website at <<http://www.treas.gov/usss/money_illustrations.shtml>>:
"The Counterfeit Detection Act of 1992, Public Law 102-550, in Section 411 of Title 31 of the Code of Federal Regulations, permits color illustrations of U.S. currency provided:

1. the illustration is of a size less than three-fourths or more than one and one-half, in linear dimension, of each part of the item illustrated;

So go ahead and install CS (but keep PS 7 just in case), as it’s worth

it

IMHO for many other reasons.

Maris

Donna wrote:

I have just been reading another newsgroup whereby the currency issue is being discussed. Seems that CS is not allowing scans of currency. I have a project in progress that I am using a multitude of $100 bills @50% size. Before I install CS, which I just received, could someone verify for me that my project will open in CS? Guess I am asking someone with CS already installed to try and scan a $100 bill @ 50% size. Thanks.

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Mike

You are not missing anything. It is a means to limit moderate quality imitations made by scanning the currency and using inexpensive printers (ink jet or laser) to make a quick buck.

There is no way an inexpensive printer can duplicate all the fancy (expensive) safeguards built into any currency. Most people do not check the bills in their wallet carefully enough so the criminals get away with a lot more than they should.

mike

"Mike" wrote in message

I’ve been following this thread, and also viewed a program on the

"Discovery

Channel" regarding the new US currency counterfeiting safeguards.
I’m puzzled as to how simply scanning a $20.00 or $100.00 bill into PhotoShop could jeopardize all those "trick", and expensive safeguards.
Am I missing something obvious here?

Mike

"Tin Ear" wrote in message

A follow-up news story:

Story Lead:
"Adobe Helped Gov’t Fight Counterfeiting

January 10, 2004 03:53 PM EST

WASHINGTON – Adobe Systems Inc. acknowledged Friday it quietly added technology to the world’s best-known graphics software at the request of government regulators and international bankers to prevent consumers

from

making copies of the world’s major currencies.

The unusual concession has angered scores of customers.

Adobe, the world’s leading vendor for graphics software, said the

secretive

technology "would have minimal impact on honest customers." It generates

a

warning message when someone tries to make digital copies of some currencies.

The U.S. Federal Reserve and other organizations that worked on the technology said they could not disclose how it works and would not name which other software companies include it in their products. They cited concerns that counterfeiters would try to defeat it."
Full Story:
http://start.earthlink.net/newsarticle?cat=2&aid=D8006CL 00_story

"Maris V. Lidaka Sr." wrote in message

CS will not allow scans of and will not open images the NEW $20 and

$100

bills at full size over. It will at 50%, and probably at anything less

than

75% though I haven’t tested the limit. PS 7 does. CS will scan the

old

$20 and $100 bills and all other bills just fine.

I scanned a new $20 bill at 50% with CS and it scanned fine, so you

should

be OK scanning the $100 bill at 50%. Unfortunately I don’t have a

$100

bill, new or old.

The reason for this, to quote from the US Secret Service website at <<http://www.treas.gov/usss/money_illustrations.shtml>>:
"The Counterfeit Detection Act of 1992, Public Law 102-550, in Section 411 of Title 31 of the Code of Federal Regulations, permits color illustrations of U.S. currency provided:

1. the illustration is of a size less than three-fourths or more than one and one-half, in linear dimension, of each part of the item illustrated;

So go ahead and install CS (but keep PS 7 just in case), as it’s worth

it

IMHO for many other reasons.

Maris

Donna wrote:

I have just been reading another newsgroup whereby the currency

issue

is being discussed. Seems that CS is not allowing scans of currency. I have a project in progress that I am using a multitude of $100 bills @50% size. Before I install CS, which I just received, could someone verify for me that my project will open in CS? Guess I am asking someone with CS already installed to try and scan a $100 bill @ 50% size. Thanks.

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Mike,

Ok, I can concede to your logic.
On the other hand, our "old" currency is still spendable, is it not?

It would seem printing the old stuff would be much easier for the same ill-gotten gain.

Guess the various governments have to start this somewhere however.

Thanks for the reply.
Mike

"Mike Hopper" wrote in message

Mike

You are not missing anything. It is a means to limit moderate quality imitations made by scanning the currency and using inexpensive printers

(ink

jet or laser) to make a quick buck.

There is no way an inexpensive printer can duplicate all the fancy (expensive) safeguards built into any currency. Most people do not check the bills in their wallet carefully enough so the criminals get away with

a

lot more than they should.

mike

"Mike" wrote in message

I’ve been following this thread, and also viewed a program on the

"Discovery

Channel" regarding the new US currency counterfeiting safeguards.
I’m puzzled as to how simply scanning a $20.00 or $100.00 bill into PhotoShop could jeopardize all those "trick", and expensive safeguards.
Am I missing something obvious here?

Mike

"Tin Ear" wrote in message

A follow-up news story:

Story Lead:
"Adobe Helped Gov’t Fight Counterfeiting

January 10, 2004 03:53 PM EST

WASHINGTON – Adobe Systems Inc. acknowledged Friday it quietly added technology to the world’s best-known graphics software at the request

of

government regulators and international bankers to prevent consumers

from

making copies of the world’s major currencies.

The unusual concession has angered scores of customers.

Adobe, the world’s leading vendor for graphics software, said the

secretive

technology "would have minimal impact on honest customers." It

generates

a

warning message when someone tries to make digital copies of some currencies.

The U.S. Federal Reserve and other organizations that worked on the technology said they could not disclose how it works and would not

name

which other software companies include it in their products. They

cited

concerns that counterfeiters would try to defeat it."
Full Story:
http://start.earthlink.net/newsarticle?cat=2&aid=D8006CL 00_story

"Maris V. Lidaka Sr." wrote in message

CS will not allow scans of and will not open images the NEW $20 and

$100

bills at full size over. It will at 50%, and probably at anything

less

than

75% though I haven’t tested the limit. PS 7 does. CS will scan

the

old

$20 and $100 bills and all other bills just fine.

I scanned a new $20 bill at 50% with CS and it scanned fine, so you

should

be OK scanning the $100 bill at 50%. Unfortunately I don’t have a

$100

bill, new or old.

The reason for this, to quote from the US Secret Service website at <<http://www.treas.gov/usss/money_illustrations.shtml>>:
"The Counterfeit Detection Act of 1992, Public Law 102-550, in

Section

411 of Title 31 of the Code of Federal Regulations, permits color illustrations of U.S. currency provided:

1. the illustration is of a size less than three-fourths or more

than

one and one-half, in linear dimension, of each part of the item illustrated;

So go ahead and install CS (but keep PS 7 just in case), as it’s

worth

it

IMHO for many other reasons.

Maris

Donna wrote:

I have just been reading another newsgroup whereby the currency

issue

is being discussed. Seems that CS is not allowing scans of

currency.

I have a project in progress that I am using a multitude of $100 bills @50% size. Before I install CS, which I just received, could someone verify for me that my project will open in CS? Guess I am asking someone with CS already installed to try and scan a $100

bill

@ 50% size. Thanks.

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Mike

Printing the old stuff is a way to make money but it is always easier to pass something new that many folks are not used to. Counterfeit merchants pass more duds early in an issue. Happens all around the world.

mike

"Mike" wrote in message

Mike,

Ok, I can concede to your logic.
On the other hand, our "old" currency is still spendable, is it not?
It would seem printing the old stuff would be much easier for the same ill-gotten gain.

Guess the various governments have to start this somewhere however.
Thanks for the reply.
Mike

"Mike Hopper" wrote in message

Mike

You are not missing anything. It is a means to limit moderate quality imitations made by scanning the currency and using inexpensive printers

(ink

jet or laser) to make a quick buck.

There is no way an inexpensive printer can duplicate all the fancy (expensive) safeguards built into any currency. Most people do not

check

the bills in their wallet carefully enough so the criminals get away

with

a

lot more than they should.

mike

"Mike" wrote in message

I’ve been following this thread, and also viewed a program on the

"Discovery

Channel" regarding the new US currency counterfeiting safeguards.
I’m puzzled as to how simply scanning a $20.00 or $100.00 bill into PhotoShop could jeopardize all those "trick", and expensive

safeguards.

Am I missing something obvious here?

Mike

"Tin Ear" wrote in message

A follow-up news story:

Story Lead:
"Adobe Helped Gov’t Fight Counterfeiting

January 10, 2004 03:53 PM EST

WASHINGTON – Adobe Systems Inc. acknowledged Friday it quietly added technology to the world’s best-known graphics software at the

request

of

government regulators and international bankers to prevent consumers

from

making copies of the world’s major currencies.

The unusual concession has angered scores of customers.

Adobe, the world’s leading vendor for graphics software, said the

secretive

technology "would have minimal impact on honest customers." It

generates

a

warning message when someone tries to make digital copies of some currencies.

The U.S. Federal Reserve and other organizations that worked on the technology said they could not disclose how it works and would not

name

which other software companies include it in their products. They

cited

concerns that counterfeiters would try to defeat it."
Full Story:
http://start.earthlink.net/newsarticle?cat=2&aid=D8006CL 00_story

"Maris V. Lidaka Sr." wrote in message

CS will not allow scans of and will not open images the NEW $20

and

$100

bills at full size over. It will at 50%, and probably at anything

less

than

75% though I haven’t tested the limit. PS 7 does. CS will scan

the

old

$20 and $100 bills and all other bills just fine.

I scanned a new $20 bill at 50% with CS and it scanned fine, so

you

should

be OK scanning the $100 bill at 50%. Unfortunately I don’t have a

$100

bill, new or old.

The reason for this, to quote from the US Secret Service website

at

<<http://www.treas.gov/usss/money_illustrations.shtml>>:
"The Counterfeit Detection Act of 1992, Public Law 102-550, in

Section

411 of Title 31 of the Code of Federal Regulations, permits color illustrations of U.S. currency provided:

1. the illustration is of a size less than three-fourths or more

than

one and one-half, in linear dimension, of each part of the item illustrated;

So go ahead and install CS (but keep PS 7 just in case), as it’s

worth

it

IMHO for many other reasons.

Maris

Donna wrote:

I have just been reading another newsgroup whereby the currency

issue

is being discussed. Seems that CS is not allowing scans of

currency.

I have a project in progress that I am using a multitude of $100 bills @50% size. Before I install CS, which I just received,

could

someone verify for me that my project will open in CS? Guess I

am

asking someone with CS already installed to try and scan a $100

bill

@ 50% size. Thanks.

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Mike,

That makes sense too.
Ever wonder if these people ever thought of just making money the "old fashion" way?

Inheriting it? <G>

Mike

"Mike Hopper" wrote in message

Mike

Printing the old stuff is a way to make money but it is always easier to pass something new that many folks are not used to. Counterfeit merchants pass more duds early in an issue. Happens all around the world.
mike

"Mike" wrote in message

Mike,

Ok, I can concede to your logic.
On the other hand, our "old" currency is still spendable, is it not?
It would seem printing the old stuff would be much easier for the same ill-gotten gain.

Guess the various governments have to start this somewhere however.
Thanks for the reply.
Mike

"Mike Hopper" wrote in message

Mike

You are not missing anything. It is a means to limit moderate quality imitations made by scanning the currency and using inexpensive

printers

(ink

jet or laser) to make a quick buck.

There is no way an inexpensive printer can duplicate all the fancy (expensive) safeguards built into any currency. Most people do not

check

the bills in their wallet carefully enough so the criminals get away

with

a

lot more than they should.

mike

"Mike" wrote in message

I’ve been following this thread, and also viewed a program on the

"Discovery

Channel" regarding the new US currency counterfeiting safeguards.
I’m puzzled as to how simply scanning a $20.00 or $100.00 bill into PhotoShop could jeopardize all those "trick", and expensive

safeguards.

Am I missing something obvious here?

Mike

"Tin Ear" wrote in message

A follow-up news story:

Story Lead:
"Adobe Helped Gov’t Fight Counterfeiting

January 10, 2004 03:53 PM EST

WASHINGTON – Adobe Systems Inc. acknowledged Friday it quietly

added

technology to the world’s best-known graphics software at the

request

of

government regulators and international bankers to prevent

consumers

from

making copies of the world’s major currencies.

The unusual concession has angered scores of customers.

Adobe, the world’s leading vendor for graphics software, said the

secretive

technology "would have minimal impact on honest customers." It

generates

a

warning message when someone tries to make digital copies of some currencies.

The U.S. Federal Reserve and other organizations that worked on

the

technology said they could not disclose how it works and would not

name

which other software companies include it in their products. They

cited

concerns that counterfeiters would try to defeat it."
Full Story:
http://start.earthlink.net/newsarticle?cat=2&aid=D8006CL 00_story

"Maris V. Lidaka Sr." wrote in message

CS will not allow scans of and will not open images the NEW $20

and

$100

bills at full size over. It will at 50%, and probably at

anything

less

than

75% though I haven’t tested the limit. PS 7 does. CS will

scan

the

old

$20 and $100 bills and all other bills just fine.

I scanned a new $20 bill at 50% with CS and it scanned fine, so

you

should

be OK scanning the $100 bill at 50%. Unfortunately I don’t have

a

$100

bill, new or old.

The reason for this, to quote from the US Secret Service website

at

<<http://www.treas.gov/usss/money_illustrations.shtml>>:
"The Counterfeit Detection Act of 1992, Public Law 102-550, in

Section

411 of Title 31 of the Code of Federal Regulations, permits

color

illustrations of U.S. currency provided:

1. the illustration is of a size less than three-fourths or more

than

one and one-half, in linear dimension, of each part of the item illustrated;

So go ahead and install CS (but keep PS 7 just in case), as it’s

worth

it

IMHO for many other reasons.

Maris

Donna wrote:

I have just been reading another newsgroup whereby the

currency

issue

is being discussed. Seems that CS is not allowing scans of

currency.

I have a project in progress that I am using a multitude of

$100

bills @50% size. Before I install CS, which I just received,

could

someone verify for me that my project will open in CS? Guess I

am

asking someone with CS already installed to try and scan a

$100

bill

@ 50% size. Thanks.

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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:56:02 -0500, "Mike" wrote:

I’ve been following this thread, and also viewed a program on the "Discovery Channel" regarding the new US currency counterfeiting safeguards.
I’m puzzled as to how simply scanning a $20.00 or $100.00 bill into PhotoShop could jeopardize all those "trick", and expensive safeguards.
Am I missing something obvious here?

Mike

Clearly another intrusive and presumptive effort on the part of well-meaning bean counters to do the politically correct thing. Wasn’t it Thomas Jefferson who said these zealots were worse than foreign enemies? The inclusion of such measures as this appears to assume the criminal intent of the purchaser, and as such could be seen as a violation of civil rights. I hope Adobe and others doing this are prepared to reverse themselves on this matter.

I tried a test tonight with a US$20 bill.

PhotoShop Elements 2 had no trouble copying the bill. I used standard settings of 1200 DPI and 24 Bit color depth. I did not try 48 Bit as some applications do not support it, etc.

I tried the native Epson scanner application under Photoshop CS and got a warning message and a link to a gov’t site . Same with trying SilverFast under PhotoShop CS.

Adobe Acrobat 6.0 had to be set to 24 Bit Color and 600 DPI, but it created a PDF from the same US$20 bill.

Corel Photo-Paint 9 DCE (Digital Camera Edition) had no trouble with 24 bit Color and 1200 DPI.

These are the only programs I have that support scanning, but I’m sure there are others that will work. I have no intention of counterfeiting, but it looks like some very large loopholes here if someone did want to copy a US$20 bill. I’m sure other currency could be done as well, but this is all I’m able to test at the moment.

"Mike" wrote in message

I’ve been following this thread, and also viewed a program on the

"Discovery

Channel" regarding the new US currency counterfeiting safeguards.
I’m puzzled as to how simply scanning a $20.00 or $100.00 bill into PhotoShop could jeopardize all those "trick", and expensive safeguards.
Am I missing something obvious here?

Mike

"Tin Ear" wrote in message

A follow-up news story:

Story Lead:
"Adobe Helped Gov’t Fight Counterfeiting

January 10, 2004 03:53 PM EST

WASHINGTON – Adobe Systems Inc. acknowledged Friday it quietly added technology to the world’s best-known graphics software at the request of government regulators and international bankers to prevent consumers

from

making copies of the world’s major currencies.

The unusual concession has angered scores of customers.

Adobe, the world’s leading vendor for graphics software, said the

secretive

technology "would have minimal impact on honest customers." It generates

a

warning message when someone tries to make digital copies of some currencies.

The U.S. Federal Reserve and other organizations that worked on the technology said they could not disclose how it works and would not name which other software companies include it in their products. They cited concerns that counterfeiters would try to defeat it."
Full Story:
http://start.earthlink.net/newsarticle?cat=2&aid=D8006CL 00_story

"Maris V. Lidaka Sr." wrote in message

CS will not allow scans of and will not open images the NEW $20 and

$100

bills at full size over. It will at 50%, and probably at anything less

than

75% though I haven’t tested the limit. PS 7 does. CS will scan the

old

$20 and $100 bills and all other bills just fine.

I scanned a new $20 bill at 50% with CS and it scanned fine, so you

should

be OK scanning the $100 bill at 50%. Unfortunately I don’t have a

$100

bill, new or old.

The reason for this, to quote from the US Secret Service website at <<http://www.treas.gov/usss/money_illustrations.shtml>>:
"The Counterfeit Detection Act of 1992, Public Law 102-550, in Section 411 of Title 31 of the Code of Federal Regulations, permits color illustrations of U.S. currency provided:

1. the illustration is of a size less than three-fourths or more than one and one-half, in linear dimension, of each part of the item illustrated;

So go ahead and install CS (but keep PS 7 just in case), as it’s worth

it

IMHO for many other reasons.

Maris

Donna wrote:

I have just been reading another newsgroup whereby the currency

issue

is being discussed. Seems that CS is not allowing scans of currency. I have a project in progress that I am using a multitude of $100 bills @50% size. Before I install CS, which I just received, could someone verify for me that my project will open in CS? Guess I am asking someone with CS already installed to try and scan a $100 bill @ 50% size. Thanks.

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Another follow up:

I added text to each image "Sample Scan, Not Legal Tender". PSCS was able to open all except the Acrobat PDF. I don’t know what this means, but it looks like another loophole.

"Tin Ear" wrote in message

I tried a test tonight with a US$20 bill.

PhotoShop Elements 2 had no trouble copying the bill. I used standard settings of 1200 DPI and 24 Bit color depth. I did not try 48 Bit as some applications do not support it, etc.

I tried the native Epson scanner application under Photoshop CS and got a warning message and a link to a gov’t site . Same with trying SilverFast under PhotoShop CS.

Adobe Acrobat 6.0 had to be set to 24 Bit Color and 600 DPI, but it

created

a PDF from the same US$20 bill.

Corel Photo-Paint 9 DCE (Digital Camera Edition) had no trouble with 24

bit

Color and 1200 DPI.

These are the only programs I have that support scanning, but I’m sure

there

are others that will work. I have no intention of counterfeiting, but it looks like some very large loopholes here if someone did want to copy a US$20 bill. I’m sure other currency could be done as well, but this is all I’m able to test at the moment.

"Mike" wrote in message

I’ve been following this thread, and also viewed a program on the

"Discovery

Channel" regarding the new US currency counterfeiting safeguards.
I’m puzzled as to how simply scanning a $20.00 or $100.00 bill into PhotoShop could jeopardize all those "trick", and expensive safeguards.
Am I missing something obvious here?

Mike

"Tin Ear" wrote in message

A follow-up news story:

Story Lead:
"Adobe Helped Gov’t Fight Counterfeiting

January 10, 2004 03:53 PM EST

WASHINGTON – Adobe Systems Inc. acknowledged Friday it quietly added technology to the world’s best-known graphics software at the request

of

government regulators and international bankers to prevent consumers

from

making copies of the world’s major currencies.

The unusual concession has angered scores of customers.

Adobe, the world’s leading vendor for graphics software, said the

secretive

technology "would have minimal impact on honest customers." It

generates

a

warning message when someone tries to make digital copies of some currencies.

The U.S. Federal Reserve and other organizations that worked on the technology said they could not disclose how it works and would not

name

which other software companies include it in their products. They

cited

concerns that counterfeiters would try to defeat it."
Full Story:
http://start.earthlink.net/newsarticle?cat=2&aid=D8006CL 00_story

"Maris V. Lidaka Sr." wrote in message

CS will not allow scans of and will not open images the NEW $20 and

$100

bills at full size over. It will at 50%, and probably at anything

less

than

75% though I haven’t tested the limit. PS 7 does. CS will scan

the

old

$20 and $100 bills and all other bills just fine.

I scanned a new $20 bill at 50% with CS and it scanned fine, so you

should

be OK scanning the $100 bill at 50%. Unfortunately I don’t have a

$100

bill, new or old.

The reason for this, to quote from the US Secret Service website at <<http://www.treas.gov/usss/money_illustrations.shtml>>:
"The Counterfeit Detection Act of 1992, Public Law 102-550, in

Section

411 of Title 31 of the Code of Federal Regulations, permits color illustrations of U.S. currency provided:

1. the illustration is of a size less than three-fourths or more

than

one and one-half, in linear dimension, of each part of the item illustrated;

So go ahead and install CS (but keep PS 7 just in case), as it’s

worth

it

IMHO for many other reasons.

Maris

Donna wrote:

I have just been reading another newsgroup whereby the currency

issue

is being discussed. Seems that CS is not allowing scans of

currency.

I have a project in progress that I am using a multitude of $100 bills @50% size. Before I install CS, which I just received, could someone verify for me that my project will open in CS? Guess I am asking someone with CS already installed to try and scan a $100

bill

@ 50% size. Thanks.

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On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:01:45 GMT, Bobs wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:56:02 -0500, "Mike" wrote:

I’ve been following this thread, and also viewed a program on the "Discovery Channel" regarding the new US currency counterfeiting safeguards.
I’m puzzled as to how simply scanning a $20.00 or $100.00 bill into PhotoShop could jeopardize all those "trick", and expensive safeguards.
Am I missing something obvious here?

Mike

Clearly another intrusive and presumptive effort on the part of well-meaning bean counters to do the politically correct thing. Wasn’t it Thomas Jefferson who said these zealots were worse than foreign enemies? The inclusion of such measures as this appears to assume the criminal intent of the purchaser, and as such could be seen as a violation of civil rights. I hope Adobe and others doing this are prepared to reverse themselves on this matter.

It’s exactly the same mind set that produces activation which, of course, only hits the law abiding as well.

—

Hecate

veni, vidi, reliqui

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:44:12 +0000, Hecate wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:01:45 GMT, Bobs wrote:

On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:56:02 -0500, "Mike" wrote:

I’ve been following this thread, and also viewed a program on the "Discovery Channel" regarding the new US currency counterfeiting safeguards.
I’m puzzled as to how simply scanning a $20.00 or $100.00 bill into PhotoShop could jeopardize all those "trick", and expensive safeguards.
Am I missing something obvious here?

Mike

Clearly another intrusive and presumptive effort on the part of well-meaning bean counters to do the politically correct thing. Wasn’t it Thomas Jefferson who said these zealots were worse than foreign enemies? The inclusion of such measures as this appears to assume the criminal intent of the purchaser, and as such could be seen as a violation of civil rights. I hope Adobe and others doing this are prepared to reverse themselves on this matter.

It’s exactly the same mind set that produces activation which, of course, only hits the law abiding as well.

—

Hecate

veni, vidi, reliqui

Actions such as those demonstrated by Adobe’s inclusion of anti-counterfeiting S/W in their products is typical of those zealots that are perhaps a greater threat to our freedoms than foreign extremists. The presumption of guilt made by Adobe toward its customers is one that does not rub well with those who have a right to expect respect from companies such as this that profit handsomely from them.

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:34:29 GMT, Bobs
scribbled:

The presumption of guilt

Get the fuck over yourself, it’s not a presumption of
guilt it’s complying with the wishes of the Bureau of
Engraving and Printing among others.

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:18:09 GMT, Voivod wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:34:29 GMT, Bobs
scribbled:

The presumption of guilt

Get the fuck over yourself, it’s not a presumption of
guilt it’s complying with the wishes of the Bureau of
Engraving and Printing among others.

SO, it’s a presumption of guilt by the Bureau. And Adobe are a private company. Since when have they become and arm of the Government?

—

Hecate

veni, vidi, reliqui

Get the fuck over yourself, it’s not a presumption of
guilt it’s complying with the wishes of the Bureau of
Engraving and Printing among others.

SO, it’s a presumption of guilt by the Bureau. And Adobe are a private company. Since when have they become and arm of the Government?

and as a private company they can do as they see fit. If they feel it will help eliminate even just a few amateur counterfeiters, then that’s completely their call.

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:51:00 +0000, Hecate
scribbled:

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 00:18:09 GMT, Voivod wrote:

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:34:29 GMT, Bobs
scribbled:

The presumption of guilt

Get the fuck over yourself, it’s not a presumption of
guilt it’s complying with the wishes of the Bureau of
Engraving and Printing among others.

SO, it’s a presumption of guilt by the Bureau. And Adobe are a private company. Since when have they become and arm of the Government?

I’m not really sure I get the raging paranoia over this issue. The Govt. asked Adobe "Please help us curtail amateur counterfeiters." And Adobe said "oh. ok, sure." Hell, the decision will probably keep quite a few morons OUT of
jail.

"Voivod" wrote in message

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:51:00 +0000, Hecate
scribbled:

I’m not really sure I get the raging paranoia over this issue. The Govt. asked Adobe "Please help us curtail amateur counterfeiters." And Adobe said "oh. ok, sure." Hell, the decision will probably keep quite a few morons OUT of
jail.

I see you still have your head up Adobe’s arse Burger boy, you could lick for the States!

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 00:18:07 +0000 (UTC), "Alan" scribbled:

I see

Nothing, you’re blind.

Does it stop you doing other work in Photoshop

If the answer is no then stop winging and get on with creating pictures.

If the answer is yes then get you’re money back and go and buy some other photo editing software.

NIK

"Alan" wrote in message

"Voivod" wrote in message

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:51:00 +0000, Hecate
scribbled:

I’m not really sure I get the raging paranoia over this issue. The Govt. asked Adobe "Please help us curtail amateur counterfeiters." And Adobe said "oh. ok, sure." Hell, the decision will probably keep quite a few morons OUT of
jail.

I see you still have your head up Adobe’s arse Burger boy, you could lick for the States!