MAC or PC?

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Nicholas Sherlock
Jan 8, 2006
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Bell wrote:
Can you guys suggest me some points that why MAC is better than PC?

You don’t have to go through tricky and fiddly upgrades when you have a MAC, you just throw it out and buy a new one. Easy as!

😉

Cheers,
Nicholas Sherlock

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Brian
Jan 8, 2006
Nicholas Sherlock wrote:
Bell wrote:

Can you guys suggest me some points that why MAC is better than PC?

You don’t have to go through tricky and fiddly upgrades when you have a MAC, you just throw it out and buy a new one. Easy as!

😉

Cheers,
Nicholas Sherlock

Ouch, that sounds expensive.

Now, to the original poster: if you are a graphic designer and use both, surely you would know if there are any real benefits in using a Mac over a PC? I have only ever used PC’s, so I cannot comment. Does the Mac run faster for the work you do? Is it faster than the PC for the work you do? Does it offer any workflows which are quicker and easier to implement than the workflows you would have to perform on a PC? Is it more compatible to the outside sources you deal with (if any)? Just think about how you use both systems and what YOU genuinely prefer about the Mac, if anything.
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Trace Elliot
Jan 9, 2006
Bell wrote:
Hi,

I am working in a Newspaper company as Graphic Designer, using MAC & PC. Now my company wants to buy new computer & I want to convenience them to buy Mac instead of PC because most of the Graphic Design Company use MAC so, it is good for my career. But I don’t know how to convince them?
Can you guys suggest me some points that why MAC is better than PC?

Awaiting your communication in this matter & thanking you.

You work with both, so you should already have the answer, shouldn’t you?

I’m on a PC which works fine, but when I see people work with a G5 dual processor….damn…..I have the feeling I’m driving in a Trabant. Macs are fast and stable, yet very expensive. If money isn’t the issue, than the question what to get can be skipped imo. But for the money you’d have to spend on a G5, you can get a VERY VERY nice PC and a Armani suit, which can be good for your career too. 🙂
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Trace Elliot
Jan 9, 2006
Bell wrote in the future

PS check your date & time 🙂
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Bell
Jan 9, 2006
Hi,

I am working in a Newspaper company as Graphic Designer, using MAC & PC. Now my company wants to buy new computer & I want to convenience them to buy Mac instead of PC because most of the Graphic Design Company use MAC so, it is good for my career. But I don’t know how to convince them?

Can you guys suggest me some points that why MAC is better than PC?

Awaiting your communication in this matter & thanking you.
ES
Etoin Shurdlu
Jan 9, 2006
"Trace Elliot" wrote in message
Bell wrote:
Hi,

I am working in a Newspaper company as Graphic Designer, using MAC & PC. Now
my company wants to buy new computer & I want to convenience them to buy Mac
instead of PC because most of the Graphic Design Company use MAC so, it is
good for my career. But I don’t know how to convince them?
Can you guys suggest me some points that why MAC is better than PC?

Awaiting your communication in this matter & thanking you.

You work with both, so you should already have the answer, shouldn’t you?
I’m on a PC which works fine, but when I see people work with a G5 dual processor….damn…..I have the feeling I’m driving in a Trabant. Macs are fast and stable, yet very expensive. If money isn’t the issue, than the question what to get can be skipped imo. But for the money you’d have to spend on a G5, you can get a VERY VERY nice PC and a Armani suit, which can be good for your career too. 🙂
ES
Etoin Shurdlu
Jan 9, 2006
Bell wrote:

I am working in a Newspaper company as Graphic Designer, using MAC & PC. Now
my company wants to buy new computer & I want to convenience them to buy Mac
instead of PC because most of the Graphic Design Company use MAC so, it is good for my career. But I don’t know how to convince them?

Your first real job, right? You came out of school where they said artists use a Mac. Right? Well, you learned wrong. Most graphic designers do not use a Mac. It’s a myth. But if it makes you feel good, use the evidence you assert above. Then come on back and tell us how it went.
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zms
Jan 9, 2006
Hello, Bell!
You wrote on Sun, 8 Jan 2006 17:16:57 -0800:

B> I am working in a Newspaper company as Graphic Designer, using MAC & PC. B> Now my company wants to buy new computer & I want to convenience them to B> buy Mac instead of PC because most of the Graphic Design Company use MAC B> so, it is good for my career. But I don’t know how to convince them?

B> Can you guys suggest me some points that why MAC is better than PC?

I think you are wrong. Most of designers work on PCs. I work in Russia and all my company have only PCs. Don`t think that here, in Russia we havn`t got MAC. We have. But we haven`t got so much "soft" for MAC as we have for PC. I don`t know how it is in your country, but for us it is very importatn. Think about it;)
I`m sorry if I have some mistakes. I`m not very goot at english:) __________________________
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Tacit
Jan 9, 2006
In article ,
"Etaoin Shurdlu" wrote:

Your first real job, right? You came out of school where they said artists use a Mac. Right? Well, you learned wrong. Most graphic designers do not use a Mac. It’s a myth.

That depends on where you are. Here in the market I work in, where I have been working prepress professionally since 1992, Macs outnumber PCs at my clients (advertising agencies, prepress service bureaus, and design firms) by approximately 5 to 1.

Not everyone uses Macs, but many people use Macs.

I use both. My office has several Macs and PCs; at home, I use Macs, PCs, various generic Linux boxes, and a Sun SPARCstation. I began using PCs in 1982 and Macs in 1984.

For design and prepress, I prefer Macs. Here’s why:

1. Macs have built-in, system level color management. PCs do not.

2. Macs can interface with PC networks and read PC disks. PCs can not interface with Mac (AFP) networks unless you buy special software, and can not read Mac disks unless you buy special software. In practical terms, that means if you own a Mac, you can accept jobs from any computer. If you own a PC, you can accept jobs only from PCs; you can not accept jobs from Macs on Mac media without special software.

3. Macs can use PC fonts. PCs can not use Mac fonts.

4. Macs are more expensive when you first buy them, but the TCO (total cost of ownership) is lower over the entire lifetime of the Mac. Macs tend to have fewer reliability problems and longer useful lifetimes.

5. Got a Mac? No worries about viruses. That’s bad news for me; I charge my clients $90 an hour to clean up viruses. It’s good news for you, though.

There are many myths about Macs that you will find as you do your research. Some of these myths were once partly true; others have no basis in fact at all. These myths include:

– Macs are more expensive. This is sometimes true, though the initial cost is not that high; typically 5% or so above a roughly equivalent PC. However, if you factor in the additional cost of things like FireWire (standard on Macs, an optional extra on most PCs), and the additional cost of PC/Mac networking and media-reading software (such as PC MacLan or MacOpener), the additional cost difference becomes irrelevant. However, in a business environment, what is important is not up-front cost, but total cost of ownership and return on investment. Mac systems have a quantifiably lower total cost of ownership, in part because of slightly longer useful life and in part because of less downtime due to things like viruses, and a correspondingly higher return on investment.

– Macs can not be upgraded. I don’t know where this myth comes from, but it’s entirely untrue. Professional Mac systems such as G5s are based on PCI and AGP expansion busses, just like PCs; they have removable processors, just like PCs; they can be upgraded just like PCs.

– Macs can not coexist with PCs. This myth is exactly backwards; Macs can read PC disks and PC files, network with PC file servers, and write PC-readable disks just fine. PCs do not coexist with Macs; PCs can not read Mac disks, talk to Mac file servers, or write Mac disks without special additional software.

– Macs have less software available. In the business of design and prepress, this is simply not so. All the standard desktop design, publishing, and image editing packages are available for both. However, the Mac has a wider variety of special-purpose software used in the newspaper and design industries, such as imposition software, color profiling software, newspaper page-pairing software, and workflow software. (Most people do not know what "imposition" or "page pairing" are, and most people have no use for such software, but in the professional newspaper and design industries, this may be a relevant factor.)


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philo
Jan 9, 2006
"Bell" wrote in message
Hi,

I am working in a Newspaper company as Graphic Designer, using MAC & PC. Now
my company wants to buy new computer & I want to convenience them to buy Mac
instead of PC because most of the Graphic Design Company use MAC so, it is good for my career. But I don’t know how to convince them?
Can you guys suggest me some points that why MAC is better than PC?

Awaiting your communication in this matter & thanking you.

a PC using an AMD-X2 will beat the pants off a MAC…
though the X2 is not cheap…it should still be much less than a hi-end MAC…
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noone
Jan 9, 2006
In article ,
says…
In article ,
"Etaoin Shurdlu" wrote:

[SNIP]
2. Macs can interface with PC networks and read PC disks. PCs can not interface with Mac (AFP) networks unless you buy special software, and can not read Mac disks unless you buy special software. In practical terms, that means if you own a Mac, you can accept jobs from any computer. If you own a PC, you can accept jobs only from PCs; you can not accept jobs from Macs on Mac media without special software.

[SNIP]
– Macs can not coexist with PCs. This myth is exactly backwards; Macs can read PC disks and PC files, network with PC file servers, and write PC-readable disks just fine. PCs do not coexist with Macs; PCs can not read Mac disks, talk to Mac file servers, or write Mac disks without special additional software.

[SNIP]

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Tacit,

Well-stated. As you do indicate the need for specialized software to allow the PC to read-write MAC disks, I am obviously NOT taking you to task. However, in the real-world of my business (some similarities to your own), I have had that software since Win3.1.1, and have never had any problems reading/writing MSC disks (from floppies [actually micro-disks], through SyQuest 44’s through SyJets, CD’s, DVD’s, and a ton of other archaic formats/media). To date, I’ve probably only spent ~ US$200 with upgrades for that software – over a decade +. Now, my comment: I have had several MAC only studios, that could NOT read/ mount PC media. I know, it’s not supposed to be like that, but it has been. I do not know if the problems were "operator error," but I have experienced it enough, that I always made sure that I sent things out in pure MAC format ONLY! EVER!

These are the only exceptions (and then not really exceptions) with what you said – and this from a user, who has been on PC since 8088 days.

Thanks for your thoughts to the OP, though it sounded more as though they were trying to pad THEIR resume, than get a machine to do the best work, but that might just be MY take on it…

Hunt
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Rob McAninch
Jan 9, 2006
tacit wrote in
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4. Macs are more expensive when you first buy them, but the TCO (total cost of ownership) is lower over the entire
lifetime of the Mac. Macs tend to have fewer reliability problems and longer useful lifetimes.

Bell,

If you want to convince the "people writing the check" then much as tacit has pointed out you should be considering the financial side of things, how using Macs instead of PCs is a benefit to the company financially. So come up with some ROI and TCO reasoning for the Macs.

Of course it may be that a mix of PCs and Macs give you the best of both worlds, while you and many graphics pros may prefer Mac the folks over in accounting and doing basic business tasks might be more productive in their familiar PC environment.

Are there industry surveys that show graphic artists using Macs more consistently? This would mean that new people brought on board have less training time (usually a considerable expense).

I’ll use this example since I just got the email today.
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/search_engines.html

The number gymnastics here are what you need to emulate. E.g. if the Mac improves your workflow and saves you 1 hr per week @ $100/hr (Neilsen’s lower number was for the average employee) that’s about $5200 in savings in a year for just one employee.

If it eases file acceptance from other firms then add on some more savings in time.


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ken.barford
Jan 10, 2006
my son had to buy a apple G5 for school 4.5 years ago. 2 years later, we couldn’t find wireless-g card for it!!!!!!!
also, no one made a USB-g for it. i guess no one wanted to invest the time to write drivers.

Ken
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Tacit
Jan 10, 2006
In article ,
wrote:

my son had to buy a apple G5 for school 4.5 years ago. 2 years later, we couldn’t find wireless-g card for it!!!!!!!

It sounds like you are confused. Are you sure you aren’t talking about a wireless B card? The only wireless G card Apple has sold is still available.


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sonsdad
Jan 10, 2006
Hi Group
I have both a MAC and a PC. With the MAC I just switch it on and it works. With the PC I switch it on and pray……..
Cheers

On 9/1/06 8:57 pm, in article , "philo"
wrote:

"Bell" wrote in message
Hi,

I am working in a Newspaper company as Graphic Designer, using MAC & PC. Now
my company wants to buy new computer & I want to convenience them to buy Mac
instead of PC because most of the Graphic Design Company use MAC so, it is good for my career. But I don’t know how to convince them?
Can you guys suggest me some points that why MAC is better than PC?

Awaiting your communication in this matter & thanking you.

a PC using an AMD-X2 will beat the pants off a MAC…
though the X2 is not cheap…it should still be much less than a hi-end MAC…

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philo
Jan 11, 2006
<snip>
Awaiting your communication in this matter & thanking you.

a PC using an AMD-X2 will beat the pants off a MAC…
though the X2 is not cheap…it should still be much less than a hi-end MAC…

the new Intel-based MACs are now out…
they might be good…
ES
Etoin Shurdlu
Jan 11, 2006
After all these years with the Mac and Wintel, ain’t it about time someone came up with a new operating system – something that is to the windows metaphor as the Mac was to the command line?

I think so.
CJ
C J Southern
Jan 11, 2006
Buy Macintosh at your peril …

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1745930,00.asp
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Tacit
Jan 12, 2006
In article <My%wf.13960$>,
"C J Southern" wrote:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1745930,00.asp

BWA ha ha ha ha!

*gasp* *gasp*

HA ha ha ha ha!

I knew, before I even clicked on the link, that it would probably be an article by John Dvorak.

To give you some insight…John Dvorak has been predicting the imminent demise of Apple since 1980.

When the Apple //c came out, John Dvorak predicted the end of Apple. When the Apple Lisa came out, John Dvorak predicted the end of Apple. When the Apple Macintosh came out, John Dvorak predicted the end of Apple. When the first Apple PowerPC systems came out, John Dvorak predicted the end of Apple.

The man has built his career out of hating Apple, since the very beginning–since before the IBM PC even existed. It blows my mind that anyone still listens to anything the man has to say. So far, he has a twenty-six year, uninterrupted track record of being totally wrong.


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John McWilliams
Jan 12, 2006
tacit wrote:
In article <My%wf.13960$>,
"C J Southern" wrote:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1745930,00.asp

BWA ha ha ha ha!

*gasp* *gasp*

HA ha ha ha ha!

I knew, before I even clicked on the link, that it would probably be an article by John Dvorak.

To give you some insight…John Dvorak has been predicting the imminent demise of Apple since 1980.

When the Apple //c came out, John Dvorak predicted the end of Apple. When the Apple Lisa came out, John Dvorak predicted the end of Apple. When the Apple Macintosh came out, John Dvorak predicted the end of Apple. When the first Apple PowerPC systems came out, John Dvorak predicted the end of Apple.

The man has built his career out of hating Apple, since the very beginning–since before the IBM PC even existed. It blows my mind that anyone still listens to anything the man has to say. So far, he has a twenty-six year, uninterrupted track record of being totally wrong.
And the article has its "market facts" pulled out of thin air, and it’s a year out of date to boot. It’s a hoot that he called Apple "stagnant."


John McWilliams
CJ
C J Southern
Jan 13, 2006
"tacit" wrote in message
HA ha ha ha ha!
OK – let’s choose a source a little "closer to home" – MacObserver …

http://www.macobserver.com/article/2004/10/29.6.shtml

As of October 04 Mac market share down to 1.8%

Hope the last workers in the PC division remember to turn out the lights.
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Brian
Jan 13, 2006
sonsdad wrote:
Hi Group
I have both a MAC and a PC. With the MAC I just switch it on and it works. With the PC I switch it on and pray……..
Cheers

No reliability problems with my PC’s. Even an old Pentium III 450mhz that was retired long ago from any kind of "work" still works flawlessly to this day. I have never had reliability issues with PC’s.

Windows 95/98 were prone to "you have performed an illegal operation" errors, but that is about it. Hardware has been incredibly reliable, I wish cars were as reliable. Since XP in 2002 I have "never once" had a crash of any kind or need for a reboot.

Brian.
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Brian
Jan 13, 2006
tacit wrote:
In article <My%wf.13960$>,
"C J Southern" wrote:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1745930,00.asp

BWA ha ha ha ha!

*gasp* *gasp*

HA ha ha ha ha!

I knew, before I even clicked on the link, that it would probably be an article by John Dvorak.

To give you some insight…John Dvorak has been predicting the imminent
, > demise of Apple since 1980.
When the Apple //c came out, John Dvorak predicted the end of Apple. When the Apple Lisa came out, John Dvorak predicted the end of Apple. When the Apple Macintosh came out, John Dvorak predicted the end of Apple. When the first Apple PowerPC systems came out, John Dvorak predicted the end of Apple.

The man has built his career out of hating Apple, since the very beginning–since before the IBM PC even existed. It blows my mind that anyone still listens to anything the man has to say. So far, he has a twenty-six year, uninterrupted track record of being totally wrong.

This response is not aimed at you Tacit, it is a general statement.

I find this whole PC Vs Mac thing hilarious. People become really emotional over hardware, as they do over software, cars, cameras, etc. Reminds me of the Adobe Vs Corel, Canon Vs Nikon mentality.

At the end of the day, we all have our preferences and tastes, so why do people insist on trying to convince others to take on their preference? This PC/Mac war is literally like saying "like what I like, or you are an idiot". How about we each do what we like to do and let evreyone else do what they like to do?

From a PC user’s point of view, a lot of the Mac bashing is actually a direct reaction (emotive) to the snobbery of ‘some’ Mac users with this bullshit attitude that only Mac’s are suitable for professional design work. That is an archaic nonsensical ‘brainwashed’ mentality. A more accurate statement should be "only artistic, talented people with a professional attitude are suitable for graphic design".

In conclusion: if you like Mac’s, use them; if you like PC’s, use them. Don’t worry about what anyone else does. Why have a debate which is too subjective and where no-one will give in either way?

Just my 2 cents.
CJ
C J Southern
Jan 13, 2006
"Brian" <cooloox_at_optusnet.com.au> wrote in message

At the end of the day, we all have our preferences and tastes, so why do people insist on trying to convince others to take on their preference?

The bit that gets under my skin in these "debates" is when the "Mac brigade" start spouting off to the effect of "If it’s not a Mac then it’ll be either riddled with viruses/spyware, or slowed to a crawl because of the anti-virus software – and very very unstable either way" when the reality is when you install win2k or winxp on WHQL certified hardware – keep updates up to date – resist the temptation to install every piece of free/spyware ridden bit of software software on the net then they simply don’t crash. Period. I look after hundreds of them – and our measured uptime is in excess of 99.99%

Just my 10c worth.
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Brian
Jan 14, 2006
C J Southern wrote:
"Brian" <cooloox_at_optusnet.com.au> wrote in message

At the end of the day, we all have our preferences and tastes, so why do people insist on trying to convince others to take on their preference?

The bit that gets under my skin in these "debates" is when the "Mac brigade" start spouting off to the effect of "If it’s not a Mac then it’ll be either riddled with viruses/spyware, or slowed to a crawl because of the anti-virus software – and very very unstable either way" when the reality is when you install win2k or winxp on WHQL certified hardware – keep updates up to date – resist the temptation to install every piece of free/spyware ridden bit of software software on the net then they simply don’t crash. Period. I look after hundreds of them – and our measured uptime is in excess of 99.99%
Just my 10c worth.
I agree with you totally, CJ. As you say, the business versions of Windows run on rails. More reliably than one could reasonably expect! I have never had a virus take hold of my system either. Mac’s may be just as reliable, I am not qualified to say. I sincerely hope they are!

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