Color management in version 7

Color management is not something I’m big on. But I do know that Windows uses whatever color profile it’s set up to use. To find out what color profile you’re using in Windows right click your desktop and choose Properties. Go to the Settings tab, click Advanced, go to the Color Management tab. There you’ll see the color profile that Windows is currently using. If it’s not the same as the working profile you have set in Photoshop, there will be differences in the color display of the same image seen through Windows and through Photoshop. I have both my Windows profile and my Photoshop working profile set to the same profile. That way, images in Photoshop look exactly like they will in Windows (as say, desktop wallpaper, which I do a lot of). In order for this to be the case, you have to make sure that, in Photoshop, your working space for RGB images is the same as the profile listed in Color Management tab in the Display Properties. To check this, press SHIFT+CTRL+K (which brings up the color settings dialog box in Photoshop). ALSO, you need to make sure that your Color Management Polices for RGB images (in the color settings dialog box in Photoshop) is OFF (instead of Preserve Embedded Profiles…if you have Preserve Embedded Profiles checked for RGB images then the profile your Nikon scanner puts to the image (sRGB) will be used to display the image in Photoshop). Hope that helps.
"Nick Mirro" wrote in message

I am using a Nikon 4000 ED to scan slides. If I view the scans in Windows (windows viewer), they appear dark and cool (blue). Much more so than the actual slides.

If I open them in Photoshop 7, the color is warmed up substantially and the image appears much lighter.

What causes this? How can I control how the image displays?

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Here are settings:

I use a Samsung 173P flatscreen. It came with color management utilities. I calibrated using MagicTune but the profile does not appear with the usual icm’s.

(In Nikon software)

-In Nikon prefs, I have Nikon Color Management checked.
-Under monitor, "factory default" is selected. -Color Space is sRGB.
-Color balance not altered
-Analog Gain (settings to reduce blueness)

Master 0.05
Red 0.15
Green 0.15
Blue -0.10

(In Photoshop 7)

I have not run the Adobe Gamma wizard though I suppose it is possible that I have inadvertently(?) changed something.

Here are the Photoshop color settings:

http://nickmirro.home.comcast.net/temp_pages/temp_images/Col or_settings.jpg
There is a slight reduction in the coolness when the Web Graphics management setting is turned on as compared to Color Management Off. This is only a *minor* difference compared to the substantial difference when the image is viewed in Windows.

Finally, here is a comparison of how an image looks in Windows versus Photoshop

http://nickmirro.home.comcast.net/temp_pages/temp_images/Win dows.jpg http://nickmirro.home.comcast.net/temp_pages/temp_images/Ado be.jpg

Nick
Dallas, TX USA

On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:42:00 -0700, "2Shy"
wrote:

Color management is not something I’m big on. But I do know that Windows uses whatever color profile it’s set up to use. To find out what color profile you’re using in Windows right click your desktop and choose Properties. Go to the Settings tab, click Advanced, go to the Color Management tab. There you’ll see the color profile that Windows is currently using. If it’s not the same as the working profile you have set in Photoshop, there will be differences in the color display of the same image seen through Windows and through Photoshop. I have both my Windows profile and my Photoshop working profile set to the same profile. That way, images in Photoshop look exactly like they will in Windows (as say, desktop wallpaper, which I do a lot of). In order for this to be the case, you have to make sure that, in Photoshop, your working space for RGB images is the same as the profile listed in Color Management tab in the Display Properties. To check this, press SHIFT+CTRL+K (which brings up the color settings dialog box in Photoshop). ALSO, you need to make sure that your Color Management Polices for RGB images (in the color settings dialog box in Photoshop) is OFF (instead of Preserve Embedded Profiles…if you have Preserve Embedded Profiles checked for RGB images then the profile your Nikon scanner puts to the image (sRGB) will be used to display the image in Photoshop). Hope that helps.

I have followed your advice, 2Shy, t (then) get a message that reads:

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"The document "picture.jpg" has an embedded colorprofile that does not match the current RGBworking space.
The current RGB color management policy is to discard profiles that do not match the working space.

Embedded sRGB IEC61966-2.1

Working Adobe RGB (1998)

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Adobe RGB 1998 is what I picked

Dave

Yes, Dave, that will happen. If you don’t want that message to come up each time, you need to go back into the color setting dialog in Photoshop and under "Color management policies" where it says "Profile mismatches" UNcheck "ask when opening" (also "ask when pasting" if you don’t want it to tell you when you try to paste an image with one color profile embedded into an image with a different embedded color profile).
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On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:42:00 -0700, "2Shy"
wrote:

Color management is not something I’m big on. But I do know that Windows uses whatever color profile it’s set up to use. To find out what color profile you’re using in Windows right click your desktop and choose Properties. Go to the Settings tab, click Advanced, go to the Color Management tab. There you’ll see the color profile that Windows is currently
using. If it’s not the same as the working profile you have set in Photoshop, there will be differences in the color display of the same image
seen through Windows and through Photoshop. I have both my Windows profile and my Photoshop working profile set to the same profile. That way, images in Photoshop look exactly like they will in Windows (as say, desktop wallpaper, which I do a lot of). In order for this to be the case, you have
to make sure that, in Photoshop, your working space for RGB images is the same as the profile listed in Color Management tab in the Display Properties. To check this, press SHIFT+CTRL+K (which brings up the color settings dialog box in Photoshop). ALSO, you need to make sure that your Color Management Polices for RGB images (in the color settings dialog box in
Photoshop) is OFF (instead of Preserve Embedded Profiles…if you have Preserve Embedded Profiles checked for RGB images then the profile your Nikon scanner puts to the image (sRGB) will be used to display the image in
Photoshop). Hope that helps.

I have followed your advice, 2Shy, t (then) get a message that reads:
**********************
"The document "picture.jpg" has an embedded colorprofile that does not match the current RGBworking space.
The current RGB color management policy is to discard profiles that do not match the working space.

Embedded sRGB IEC61966-2.1

Working Adobe RGB (1998)

**********************

Adobe RGB 1998 is what I picked

Dave

On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 08:12:32 -0700, "2Shy"
wrote:

Yes, Dave, that will happen. If you don’t want that message to come up each time, you need to go back into the color setting dialog in Photoshop and under "Color management policies" where it says "Profile mismatches" UNcheck "ask when opening" (also "ask when pasting" if you don’t want it to tell you when you try to paste an image with one color profile embedded into an image with a different embedded color profile).

thanks for your reply, 2Shy. I am on my way to
http://www.ushakamarineworld.co.za/
(which is only 200 yards ((other side of the street)) from where I live,)
and will apply what you said in an hour or two’s time.

In the mean time, thanks for valuable advice.

See you at 10pm (SA time:-)

Dave
http://davedup.bravehost.com/\didisworld\base0.html
(a few photos from my harddrive – this is where I live:-)

On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 20:42:00 -0700, "2Shy"
wrote:

Color management is not something I’m big on. But I do know that Windows uses whatever color profile it’s set up to use.

Windows doesn’t do colour management. The tab that you see (that you mention below) comes from the video card driver/software.

To find out what color
profile you’re using in Windows right click your desktop and choose Properties. Go to the Settings tab, click Advanced, go to the Color Management tab. There you’ll see the color profile that Windows is currently using.

Windows doesn’t really use colour profiles. Only colour management aware applications do so, plus your video card of course.

—

Hecate – The Real One

veni, vidi, reliqui

I have followed your advice, 2Shy, t (then) get a message that reads:
**********************
"The document "picture.jpg" has an embedded colorprofile that does not match the current RGBworking space.
The current RGB color management policy is to discard profiles that do not match the working space.

Embedded sRGB IEC61966-2.1

Working Adobe RGB (1998)

**********************

Adobe RGB 1998 is what I picked

Dave

"2Shy" wrote:

Yes, Dave, that will happen. If you don’t want that message to come up each time, you need to go back into the color setting dialog in Photoshop and under "Color management policies" where it says "Profile mismatches" UNcheck "ask when opening" (also "ask when pasting" if you don’t want it to tell you when you try to paste an image with one color profile embedded into an image with a different embedded color profile).

and thìs, 2Shy?:
‘The current RGB color management policy is to discard profiles that do not match the working space.’

Even if I do not want it to tell me this, it does not change the fact that it (seems to) discard the changes. Or what do I understand wrong?

Dave

You understand correctly, Dave. When your RGB color management policy is "off" and your profile mismatches checkboxes are cleared it will not ask you, but it will still ignore any embedded color profile in the image and display it using the working space profile.
"Dave" wrote in message

I have followed your advice, 2Shy, t (then) get a message that reads:
**********************
"The document "picture.jpg" has an embedded colorprofile that does not match the current RGBworking space.
The current RGB color management policy is to discard profiles that do not match the working space.

Embedded sRGB IEC61966-2.1

Working Adobe RGB (1998)

**********************

Adobe RGB 1998 is what I picked

Dave

"2Shy" wrote:

Yes, Dave, that will happen. If you don’t want that message to come up each
time, you need to go back into the color setting dialog in Photoshop and under "Color management policies" where it says "Profile mismatches" UNcheck
"ask when opening" (also "ask when pasting" if you don’t want it to tell you
when you try to paste an image with one color profile embedded into an image
with a different embedded color profile).

and th

and thìs, 2Shy?:
‘The current RGB color management policy is to discard profiles that do not match the working space.’

Even if I do not want it to tell me this, it does not change the fact that it (seems to) discard the changes. Or what do I understand wrong?
Dave

On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 13:14:21 -0700, "2Shy"
wrote:

You understand correctly, Dave. When your RGB color management policy is "off" and your profile mismatches checkboxes are cleared it will not ask you, but it will still ignore any embedded color profile in the image and display it using the working space profile.
"Dave" wrote in message

thanx a lot, 2Shy:-)
I’ve spend about 14 hours since this morning, on calibration & some 10 ways in CS to do color correction. Believe me, though still not an expert on color managment, I do know a lot more now than what I knew this morning, due to people like you:-)

Ten ‘A2’s’ to be printed tomorrow morning, was finalized today

Thank you

Dave

You’re welcome. Glad I could help.
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and th