Knocking out background

"RicSeyler" wrote in message

Photoshop 7.01
I am having fits trying to knock the background out of this image to import into PageMaker 7

Anyone got any suggestions?

Discard the background layer – save as a Tiff file – remember to tick the preserve transparency option

Harry

Harry Limey wrote:

"RicSeyler" wrote in message

Photoshop 7.01
I am having fits trying to knock the background out of this image to import into PageMaker 7

Anyone got any suggestions?

Discard the background layer – save as a Tiff file – remember to tick the preserve transparency option

Harry

I don’t think that will work. PageMaker does not support transparancy. You need make a selection around the image, click on the path palate, save the selection as a work path, then save path, then clipping path. (all these can be found on the pop-out menu on the path palate by clicking on the triangle on the upper right.)

Once this is done, you need to save the file as an EPS. Make sure you select the option to save a tiff preview image (use 8 bit if it is a photo).

Thanks for the reply, I’m pulling my hair out! LOL
I tried it again with a TIF with specifically deleting the background layer, (it still had the checkered background, transparent) but no go. Still white bounding box.
I tried to use the layers tick box AND the transparency tick box, no go. Then I tried NOT using the layers and USING the transparency tick box, no go.
Then tried using the layers tick box and the transparency tick box and pyramid tick box
and RLE tick box (to unselect the discard layers and save copy) tick box, no go.

Then I tried deleting the background layer (with image still on checkered board transparency)
and used the trans wizard, still no go.

argh.

Harry Limey wrote:

"RicSeyler" wrote in message

Photoshop 7.01
I am having fits trying to knock the background out of this image to import into PageMaker 7

Anyone got any suggestions?

Discard the background layer – save as a Tiff file – remember to tick the preserve transparency option

Harry

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Ric Seyler

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Thanks Mike let me give that a try.
I swore I’ve used the wizard to PM before, but let me try it manually with paths.

Mike Teegarden wrote:

Harry Limey wrote:

"RicSeyler" wrote in message

Photoshop 7.01
I am having fits trying to knock the background out of this image to import into PageMaker 7

Anyone got any suggestions?

Discard the background layer – save as a Tiff file – remember to tick the
preserve transparency option

Harry

I don’t think that will work. PageMaker does not support transparancy. You need make a selection around the image, click on the path palate, save the selection as a work path, then save path, then clipping path. (all these can be found on the pop-out menu on the path palate by clicking on the triangle on the upper right.)

Once this is done, you need to save the file as an EPS. Make sure you select the option to save a tiff preview image (use 8 bit if it is a photo).

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Ric Seyler

Arrgh still no go. But I brought the manual clipped EPS into Corel and laid it over a colored box
to check for the clipping path and I got it in Corel11 but not in PM7. 🙁

Can someone trace it for me and make an AI or WMF without so many nodes that Corel crashes? That way I can bust it apart in Corel to get rid of the bounding box.
My trace came up with 66 thousand nodes at the lowest acceptable setting. And Corel
sure didn’t like that when I did an ungroup. (program not responding error)

Or any other suggestions? This is the first time this has given me problems.

RicSeyler wrote:

Thanks Mike let me give that a try.
I swore I’ve used the wizard to PM before, but let me try it manually with paths.

Mike Teegarden wrote:

Harry Limey wrote:

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Ric Seyler

Huh??
I’m fairly sure binaries aren’t supposed to be attached here… could be wrong though.

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Ric Seyler

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Photoshop 7.01
I am having fits trying to knock the background out of this image to import into PageMaker 7
as an EPS (or whatever) with transparent background.
The transparent background wizard in PS doesn’t seem to be working. I’ve got the image on it’s
own layer. I’ve tried using "own layer" option, I’ve tried flattening and doing a "selection"
and tried inverting the selection also, and about every way I can think of and it still
comes in with the white bounding box.

I traced it in CorelTrace and the bringing it into Corel 11 to ungroup and delete the
background and bring it into PageMaker as a WMF with no background. Apparently
when doing the trace there are too many nodes and Corel won’t respond and hangs when
ungrouping. (66 thousand nodes, uggh). I did the trace at the lowest setting that still gives me a good pic…

Anyone got any suggestions?

The Photoshop file with transparent layer..
http://bellsouthpwp.net/r/_/r_seyler/logopeoplesmall.psd
Thanks,

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Ric Seyler
Seyler Design & Printing

Hi Rick,

Not sure that I follow you, but I just did what I *think* you want in about 10 sec (would have been five, but I knocked out the band, not the background, the first time 🙁 ). In PS, sellect the transparent aspects of your image with the Magic Wand. Use Shift-click to add the areas of white/transparent between the characters, and their limbs. Ctrl-Shift I, to invert the Selection (what I forgot to do first time around). In Paths, choose Make Work Path and name it "outline," choose a fine Flatness for the Path. In Paths, choose Clipping Path, and choose your Outline Path. You can Flatten the image, and Save_As Photoshop EPS (I choose 2.0). It now has the Clipping Path attached. Since I didn’t have PM on this machine, I choose InDesign, and made added a blue rectangle to my page, to check that the background was in fact knocked out. I just Place(ed) the EPS and the characters were cleanly sitting on *my* blue background. IIRC, PM works the same way, but will check it out, if you need me to, as I have 6.5 & 7 on the network.

If you need me to, I can FTP the work to you, or, if I missed what you are trying to do, then forget what I just wrote.

Hunt

In article <M8mpe.60214$>,
RicSeyler wrote:

I am having fits trying to knock the background out of this image to import into PageMaker 7
as an EPS (or whatever) with transparent background.

For starters, that image should never have been done in Photoshop. had it been done in a vector program like Illustrator, it would be infinitely resizeable, and the background would be transparent.

Since it’s already in Photoshop, two words for making a useable path to silhouette it: pen tool. Yes, it’s gonna take longer than creating the path automatically; but with that image, any automated path creation technique is going to leave a path with too many points, leave gaps and leaks around the path, or both.

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"Harry Limey" <harrylimey[@]lycos.co.uk> wrote:

Discard the background layer – save as a Tiff file – remember to tick the preserve transparency option

PageMaker does not support transparent TIFFs.

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Art, photography, shareware, polyamory, literature, kink: all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

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In article <M8mpe.60214$
.net says…

[SNIP]

Rick,

I did notice that the image had anti-aliasing in the black borders to the characters. I Contracted the Selection by 1px and had to paint in the " student’s" topknot a bit. If this is a problem, I can remove the anti-aliasing around the characters, and re-do it. Again, if I missed your needs completely, it’s moot.

Hunt

Tacit wrote:

In article <M8mpe.60214$>,
RicSeyler wrote:

I am having fits trying to knock the background out of this image to import into PageMaker 7
as an EPS (or whatever) with transparent background.

For starters, that image should never have been done in Photoshop. had it been done in a vector program like Illustrator, it would be infinitely resizeable, and the background would be transparent.

I completely agree Tacit. I got myself backed into this with the late addition of these characters,
then customer wanted them to overlay a stripe. arrrgh

Since it’s already in Photoshop, two words for making a useable path to silhouette it: pen tool. Yes, it’s gonna take longer than creating the path automatically; but with that image, any automated path creation technique is going to leave a path with too many points, leave gaps and leaks around the path, or both.

I’ve been at this for 18 odd years and had to do the manual clipping many times over the years
before Ver 7 and the Wizard. But I have only found myself needing to clip once in a great
while. From avoiding using art or designing where it became necessary. But like I backed
myself into this. LOL
Now not making myself clip but once in a great while, my chops aren’t the best for it, but hell
I’ve always been able to get it!! I don’t know why but it just wasn’t working for me, no matter how
I went about it. I tried all my moves and tricks before posting here and looking like a newbie. 🙂
Over the years I’ve seen PageMaker do just weird things on certain files for no apparent reason, as
I’m sure many others have too. The only reason I went to PS was the quick thought that some of the
individual characters the hands I wanted on top of the adjacent character and the foot to be behind
the adjacent character and didn’t want to take the time to use the Cut Tool in Corel. And I thought
I’d just clip when done. Haste makes waste… LOL

If I’d known the circumstances ahead of time I’d of done like I usually do. The page had complex text
formatting. I’d of set the text in PageMaker and used placeholders for the graphics. PDFed the text out of PM
and laid out the page in PS using the PM PDFed text. Then flattened, CMYKed it, post color adjust and PDFed
the assembled PS page and brought it back into the PM Doc.

I guess InDesign (handling transparencies) would keep me from having to PDF jumping twice to get my assembled PM doc.

One day I’ll move to InDesign w/Pagemaker Plugin. I just hate changes. hehehehe

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Ric Seyler

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That’s what I usually do, no more often I find myself clipping, I forget whether
to invert my background selection and end up with a nice clean background and no artwork! LOL
Then just do it over. But this time nothing would clip. Maybe it was because I had the background layer
transparent and not a transparent layer under it and the background just turned off, dunno.. Something weird
was going on. I got it to clip in Corel, but brought the same EPS into PM and the damn white bounding box was there.
Might of been one of those weird PM file anomolies I’ve run across over the years.

Hunt wrote:

In article <M8mpe.60214$
.net says…

Photoshop 7.01
I am having fits trying to knock the background out of this image to import into PageMaker 7
as an EPS (or whatever) with transparent background.
The transparent background wizard in PS doesn’t seem to be working. I’ve got the image on it’s
own layer. I’ve tried using "own layer" option, I’ve tried flattening and doing a "selection"
and tried inverting the selection also, and about every way I can think of and it still
comes in with the white bounding box.

I traced it in CorelTrace and the bringing it into Corel 11 to ungroup and delete the
background and bring it into PageMaker as a WMF with no background. Apparently
when doing the trace there are too many nodes and Corel won’t respond and hangs when
ungrouping. (66 thousand nodes, uggh). I did the trace at the lowest setting that still gives me a good pic…

Anyone got any suggestions?

The Photoshop file with transparent layer..
http://bellsouthpwp.net/r/_/r_seyler/logopeoplesmall.psd
Thanks,

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Ric Seyler
Seyler Design & Printing

Hi Rick,

Not sure that I follow you, but I just did what I *think* you want in about 10 sec (would have been five, but I knocked out the band, not the background, the first time 🙁 ). In PS, sellect the transparent aspects of your image with the Magic Wand. Use Shift-click to add the areas of white/transparent between the characters, and their limbs. Ctrl-Shift I, to invert the Selection (what I forgot to do first time around). In Paths, choose Make Work Path and name it "outline," choose a fine Flatness for the Path. In Paths, choose Clipping Path, and choose your Outline Path. You can Flatten the image, and Save_As Photoshop EPS (I choose 2.0). It now has the Clipping Path attached. Since I didn’t have PM on this machine, I choose InDesign, and made added a blue rectangle to my page, to check that the background was in fact knocked out. I just Place(ed) the EPS and the characters were cleanly sitting on *my* blue background. IIRC, PM works the same way, but will check it out, if you need me to, as I have 6.5 & 7 on the network.

If you need me to, I can FTP the work to you, or, if I missed what you are trying to do, then forget what I just wrote.

Hunt

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Ric Seyler

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