Calibrationism vs. By the Numbers

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I seldom start threads in this group, because my interest is in helping people with answers, and in my own learning when I run into a question that I can’t answer, and need to do a little research.

Recently there has been little discussion of "accurate colors", followed by the usual recommendation that the person asking the question purchase a screen calibration device. I think a few words here might save people some money, or cause their money to be spent on a new display, lens, or other equipment.

Color is an enormously complex field of human endeavor, and the only thing that is certain is that we don’t know everything about it yet. Photography, particularly with the new advances in digital photography and profiling, is in an explosive stage of complexity, and there are a large number of things that you need to know to really navigate what happens to an image on its way from the original subject to your screen or printer.

By the time colors reach your screen, there have been through a pipeline consisting of several stages of capture and processing. Each stage has its own flaws and idiosyncrasies. For example, the lighting, reflections between objects and within the camera, the optical and detector system, and potential processing in the camera or the raw processor each take their toll on the accuracy of the final captured image. What matters is not accurate colors, but colors that look good, and an image that brings out the important colors and textures of the subject.

There are two philosophies for dealing with how to get good colors. One is called "calibrationism", and is based on the notion that any bad colors, such as poor skin tones or color casts, means that there is an error somewhere in the pipeline, and fixing the colors is a matter of chasing down where that error is. When confronted with poor colors, a calibrationist will never ask about a specific color or object in the image, but instead about which components were calibrated, and recommend purchasing additional hardware or custom profiles. Final tuning, for a calibrationist, is always a purely visual affair that relies 100 percent on an accurately calibrated monitor. I have several dear friends who are completely sold on this notion. I think it is a will o’ the wisp, and many millions of dollars have been wasted on calibration gadgets.

I myself am a big fan of calibrationism’s toys and gadgets. I have always liked histograms, ever since seeing one on a NASA photograph many years ago. I also have a soft spot in my heart for measurement gadgets. I use a screen calibration device, and find that it works quite well. I do not hesitate to alter the monitor settings afterward, if I find that things are not matching perfectly. I also have a spectrophotometer for measuring prints and colored objects. It is not used for creating profiles, but for experimentation and verification when I want to make sure something is working correctly, figure out what is unusual about a printout or a colored object such as a flower, or to compare colors in a quantitative way.

Although they are convenient, and even necessary in a production environment, none of these gadgets is necessary to create excellent images, as witnessed by the fact that many good images were being created, easily, in Photoshop before calibration devices were available on the market.

The other philosophy was created by Dan Margulis and is called "by the numbers". He acknowledges that calibration is important, but need not rely on instruments. Each image can benefit from a certain amount of individual treatment. This is done methodically, using tools and knowledge to home in the colors of specific objects, such as grays or skin tones, and to assign color and contrast to important objects in the image. "By the numbers" says that it doesn’t really matter how the colors got there, fix them, and you’ll have a good image. Learn to fix them well, and quickly, and you’re on the road to having better and better images for the rest of your life. With "by the numbers", it is possible, though masochistic, to get good colors using only a black and white monitor.

Naturally, others are welcome to chime in with their own thoughts and ideas. I’m not prone to arguing, once I’ve said my say, but I will be happy to answer questions, or to otherwise clarify what I have said here. —
Mike Russell – http://www.curvemeister.com

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Paul Burdett
May 20, 2008
"Mike Russell" wrote in message
I seldom start threads in this group, because my interest is in helping people with answers, and in my own learning when I run into a question that
I can’t answer, and need to do a little research.

Recently there has been little discussion of "accurate colors", followed by the usual recommendation that the person asking the question purchase a screen calibration device. I think a few words here might save people some
money, or cause their money to be spent on a new display, lens, or other equipment.

Color is an enormously complex field of human endeavor, and the only thing that is certain is that we don’t know everything about it yet. Photography,
particularly with the new advances in digital photography and profiling, is
in an explosive stage of complexity, and there are a large number of things
that you need to know to really navigate what happens to an image on its way from the original subject to your screen or printer.
By the time colors reach your screen, there have been through a pipeline consisting of several stages of capture and processing. Each stage has its
own flaws and idiosyncrasies. For example, the lighting, reflections between objects and within the camera, the optical and detector system, and
potential processing in the camera or the raw processor each take their toll on the accuracy of the final captured image. What matters is not accurate colors, but colors that look good, and an image that brings out the important colors and textures of the subject.

There are two philosophies for dealing with how to get good colors. One is
called "calibrationism", and is based on the notion that any bad colors, such as poor skin tones or color casts, means that there is an error somewhere in the pipeline, and fixing the colors is a matter of chasing down where that error is. When confronted with poor colors, a calibrationist will never ask about a specific color or object in the image, but instead about which components were calibrated, and recommend purchasing additional hardware or custom profiles. Final tuning, for a calibrationist, is always a purely visual affair that relies 100 percent on
an accurately calibrated monitor. I have several dear friends who are completely sold on this notion. I think it is a will o’ the wisp, and many
millions of dollars have been wasted on calibration gadgets.
I myself am a big fan of calibrationism’s toys and gadgets. I have always liked histograms, ever since seeing one on a NASA photograph many years ago. I also have a soft spot in my heart for measurement gadgets. I use a screen calibration device, and find that it works quite well. I do not hesitate to alter the monitor settings afterward, if I find that things are
not matching perfectly. I also have a spectrophotometer for measuring prints and colored objects. It is not used for creating profiles, but for experimentation and verification when I want to make sure something is working correctly, figure out what is unusual about a printout or a colored
object such as a flower, or to compare colors in a quantitative way.
Although they are convenient, and even necessary in a production environment, none of these gadgets is necessary to create excellent images,
as witnessed by the fact that many good images were being created, easily, in Photoshop before calibration devices were available on the market.
The other philosophy was created by Dan Margulis and is called "by the numbers". He acknowledges that calibration is important, but need not rely
on instruments. Each image can benefit from a certain amount of individual
treatment. This is done methodically, using tools and knowledge to home in
the colors of specific objects, such as grays or skin tones, and to assign color and contrast to important objects in the image. "By the numbers" says that it doesn’t really matter how the colors got there, fix them, and you’ll have a good image. Learn to fix them well, and quickly, and you’re on the road to having better and better images for the rest of your life. With "by the numbers", it is possible, though masochistic, to get good colors using only a black and white monitor.

Naturally, others are welcome to chime in with their own thoughts and ideas. I’m not prone to arguing, once I’ve said my say, but I will be happy to answer questions, or to otherwise clarify what I have said here. —
Mike Russell – http://www.curvemeister.com

Hi Mike,

After reading your entry the expression: "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder" comes to mind. Thank you for an interesting viewpoint. I don’t have any hardware to calibrate my monitor and I use Photoshop almost daily to edit my photos. Judging by the reaction I get from family/friends/forums I must be doing something right with my photography/editing. I commend you on your efforts in this forum.You have made excellent suggestions and helped so many people (including me) with our Photoshop questions. As they say here in Australia (and I’m an ex "pom"): Good on yer!

Paul
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Ragnar
May 20, 2008
Mike Russell wrote:
<snip first bit>
The other philosophy was created by Dan Margulis and is called "by the numbers". He acknowledges that calibration is important, but need not rely on instruments. Each image can benefit from a certain amount of individual treatment. This is done methodically, using tools and knowledge to home in the colors of specific objects, such as grays or skin tones, and to assign color and contrast to important objects in the image. "By the numbers" says that it doesn’t really matter how the colors got there, fix them, and you’ll have a good image. Learn to fix them well, and quickly, and you’re on the road to having better and better images for the rest of your life. With "by the numbers", it is possible, though masochistic, to get good colors using only a black and white monitor.

Several chapters of Dan Margulis’s book have been available as PDF downloads. One example which happens to be about LAB mode is http://www.ledet.com/margulis/PP7_Ch02_ByTheNumbers.pdf
I have downloaded several of these valuable chapters to my HDD and if only this was a binaries NG I could post them here.

🙂
GH
Gernot Hoffmann
May 20, 2008
Mike Russell schrieb:
I seldom start threads in this group, because my interest is in helping people with answers, and in my own learning when I run into a question that I can’t answer, and need to do a little research.

Recently there has been little discussion of "accurate colors", followed by the usual recommendation that the person asking the question purchase a screen calibration device. I think a few words here might save people some money, or cause their money to be spent on a new display, lens, or other equipment.

Color is an enormously complex field of human endeavor, and the only thing that is certain is that we don’t know everything about it yet. Photography, particularly with the new advances in digital photography and profiling, is in an explosive stage of complexity, and there are a large number of things that you need to know to really navigate what happens to an image on its way from the original subject to your screen or printer.
By the time colors reach your screen, there have been through a pipeline consisting of several stages of capture and processing. Each stage has its own flaws and idiosyncrasies. For example, the lighting, reflections between objects and within the camera, the optical and detector system, and potential processing in the camera or the raw processor each take their toll on the accuracy of the final captured image. What matters is not accurate colors, but colors that look good, and an image that brings out the important colors and textures of the subject.

There are two philosophies for dealing with how to get good colors. One is called "calibrationism", and is based on the notion that any bad colors, such as poor skin tones or color casts, means that there is an error somewhere in the pipeline, and fixing the colors is a matter of chasing down where that error is. When confronted with poor colors, a calibrationist will never ask about a specific color or object in the image, but instead about which components were calibrated, and recommend purchasing additional hardware or custom profiles. Final tuning, for a calibrationist, is always a purely visual affair that relies 100 percent on an accurately calibrated monitor. I have several dear friends who are completely sold on this notion. I think it is a will o’ the wisp, and many millions of dollars have been wasted on calibration gadgets.
I myself am a big fan of calibrationism’s toys and gadgets. I have always liked histograms, ever since seeing one on a NASA photograph many years ago. I also have a soft spot in my heart for measurement gadgets. I use a screen calibration device, and find that it works quite well. I do not hesitate to alter the monitor settings afterward, if I find that things are not matching perfectly. I also have a spectrophotometer for measuring prints and colored objects. It is not used for creating profiles, but for experimentation and verification when I want to make sure something is working correctly, figure out what is unusual about a printout or a colored object such as a flower, or to compare colors in a quantitative way.
Although they are convenient, and even necessary in a production environment, none of these gadgets is necessary to create excellent images, as witnessed by the fact that many good images were being created, easily, in Photoshop before calibration devices were available on the market.
The other philosophy was created by Dan Margulis and is called "by the numbers". He acknowledges that calibration is important, but need not rely on instruments. Each image can benefit from a certain amount of individual treatment. This is done methodically, using tools and knowledge to home in the colors of specific objects, such as grays or skin tones, and to assign color and contrast to important objects in the image. "By the numbers" says that it doesn’t really matter how the colors got there, fix them, and you’ll have a good image. Learn to fix them well, and quickly, and you’re on the road to having better and better images for the rest of your life. With "by the numbers", it is possible, though masochistic, to get good colors using only a black and white monitor.

Naturally, others are welcome to chime in with their own thoughts and ideas. I’m not prone to arguing, once I’ve said my say, but I will be happy to answer questions, or to otherwise clarify what I have said here. —
Mike Russell – http://www.curvemeister.com

Mike,

calibrationism can cause headache:
http://www.fho-emden.de/~hoffmann/calib-02.pdf

Best regards –Gernot Hoffmann
GH
Gernot Hoffmann
May 20, 2008
Mike Russell schrieb:
I seldom start threads in this group, because my interest is in helping people with answers, and in my own learning when I run into a question that I can’t answer, and need to do a little research.

Recently there has been little discussion of "accurate colors", followed by the usual recommendation that the person asking the question purchase a screen calibration device. I think a few words here might save people some money, or cause their money to be spent on a new display, lens, or other equipment.

Color is an enormously complex field of human endeavor, and the only thing that is certain is that we don’t know everything about it yet. Photography, particularly with the new advances in digital photography and profiling, is in an explosive stage of complexity, and there are a large number of things that you need to know to really navigate what happens to an image on its way from the original subject to your screen or printer.
By the time colors reach your screen, there have been through a pipeline consisting of several stages of capture and processing. Each stage has its own flaws and idiosyncrasies. For example, the lighting, reflections between objects and within the camera, the optical and detector system, and potential processing in the camera or the raw processor each take their toll on the accuracy of the final captured image. What matters is not accurate colors, but colors that look good, and an image that brings out the important colors and textures of the subject.

There are two philosophies for dealing with how to get good colors. One is called "calibrationism", and is based on the notion that any bad colors, such as poor skin tones or color casts, means that there is an error somewhere in the pipeline, and fixing the colors is a matter of chasing down where that error is. When confronted with poor colors, a calibrationist will never ask about a specific color or object in the image, but instead about which components were calibrated, and recommend purchasing additional hardware or custom profiles. Final tuning, for a calibrationist, is always a purely visual affair that relies 100 percent on an accurately calibrated monitor. I have several dear friends who are completely sold on this notion. I think it is a will o’ the wisp, and many millions of dollars have been wasted on calibration gadgets.
I myself am a big fan of calibrationism’s toys and gadgets. I have always liked histograms, ever since seeing one on a NASA photograph many years ago. I also have a soft spot in my heart for measurement gadgets. I use a screen calibration device, and find that it works quite well. I do not hesitate to alter the monitor settings afterward, if I find that things are not matching perfectly. I also have a spectrophotometer for measuring prints and colored objects. It is not used for creating profiles, but for experimentation and verification when I want to make sure something is working correctly, figure out what is unusual about a printout or a colored object such as a flower, or to compare colors in a quantitative way.
Although they are convenient, and even necessary in a production environment, none of these gadgets is necessary to create excellent images, as witnessed by the fact that many good images were being created, easily, in Photoshop before calibration devices were available on the market.
The other philosophy was created by Dan Margulis and is called "by the numbers". He acknowledges that calibration is important, but need not rely on instruments. Each image can benefit from a certain amount of individual treatment. This is done methodically, using tools and knowledge to home in the colors of specific objects, such as grays or skin tones, and to assign color and contrast to important objects in the image. "By the numbers" says that it doesn’t really matter how the colors got there, fix them, and you’ll have a good image. Learn to fix them well, and quickly, and you’re on the road to having better and better images for the rest of your life. With "by the numbers", it is possible, though masochistic, to get good colors using only a black and white monitor.

Naturally, others are welcome to chime in with their own thoughts and ideas. I’m not prone to arguing, once I’ve said my say, but I will be happy to answer questions, or to otherwise clarify what I have said here. —
Mike Russell – http://www.curvemeister.com

Mike,

calibrationism can cause headache:

http://www.fho-emden.de/~hoffmann/calib-02.pdf

Best regards –Gernot Hoffmann
T
Tacit
May 21, 2008
In article <12hyps857csdb$>,
Mike Russell wrote:

The other philosophy was created by Dan Margulis and is called "by the numbers". He acknowledges that calibration is important, but need not rely on instruments. Each image can benefit from a certain amount of individual treatment. This is done methodically, using tools and knowledge to home in the colors of specific objects, such as grays or skin tones, and to assign color and contrast to important objects in the image. "By the numbers" says that it doesn’t really matter how the colors got there, fix them, and you’ll have a good image. Learn to fix them well, and quickly, and you’re on the road to having better and better images for the rest of your life. With "by the numbers", it is possible, though masochistic, to get good colors using only a black and white monitor.

Dan is definitely a man after my own heart.

I’ve been using Photoshop professionally in a prepress environment since before it supported any form of color calibration, and frankly I’ve never had a great deal of use for monitor calibration devices. In my industry, one thing and one thing only matters: the contract proof.

Different devices have different color spaces. Different printers, presses, and monitors have different characteristic color curves. That’s why the contract proof exists.

The workflow I’ve always used has started with the idea that a specific type of contract proof–a DuPont Waterproof or a 3M Matchprint, say–is the reality. This proof is what the client sees; this proof is what the press operator matches; this proof, not what a person sees on a computer screen, represents the reality of how the piece "should" look. Monitor calibration, when it is done, is done for the purpose of making the image on the monitor look as close as possible to the contract proof.

I’ve been working in CMYK almost exclusively for the last sixteen years, and so I have a pretty good sense of what a particular set of numbers will look like when proofed. I never work without the Info palette up; hell, I’ll even keep it set to display CMYK and RGB and I’ll look at the CMYK numbers while I’m color correcting an RGB image.

As a result, I don’t rely on having a color-calibrated monitor; nor do I rely on using profiles to deal with color. I look at the numbers; they don’t lie, though everything else may. As a result, I can color correct on a low-end laptop LCD better than many folks can color correct on a top-of-the-line calibrated monitor. 🙂


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mirafiori
May 25, 2008
Yes that is what closed system means and it needs expertise like yours. I’d been doing analog photographic enlargement print as large as 3 x 4 meters for 26 years using enlarger before switching to digital. My sense in color correction based on the accumulating experiences using CMY dichoric colors filters in densitometric values as well as CC values. I could tell in number too what’s the number to change or values to plus or minus for a desired color. You don’t expect your clients to have such expertise. I don’t have problem with clients before in term of color as they have nothing to match the analog printout unless the source is a slide. When dealing in digital printing, it started to give me problems with the hard nut to crack fellows. It’s not about color quality but the color don’t match their monitor. Ridiculously, these people don’t view the print under proper viewing light such as the one in my lab. But after educating them about monitor’s calibration, standard viewing light and giving them my color papers printing profiles, problem solved. Therefore color management is important to me. It’s not about color correction, it’s about color consistency. You need this consistency to agree with your client making appropriate color and tonal adjustments and send through email for approval.

"tacit" wrote in message
In article <12hyps857csdb$>,
Mike Russell wrote:

The other philosophy was created by Dan Margulis and is called "by the numbers". He acknowledges that calibration is important, but need not rely
on instruments. Each image can benefit from a certain amount of individual
treatment. This is done methodically, using tools and knowledge to home in
the colors of specific objects, such as grays or skin tones, and to assign
color and contrast to important objects in the image. "By the numbers" says that it doesn’t really matter how the colors got there, fix them, and
you’ll have a good image. Learn to fix them well, and quickly, and you’re
on the road to having better and better images for the rest of your life. With "by the numbers", it is possible, though masochistic, to get good colors using only a black and white monitor.

Dan is definitely a man after my own heart.

I’ve been using Photoshop professionally in a prepress environment since before it supported any form of color calibration, and frankly I’ve never had a great deal of use for monitor calibration devices. In my industry, one thing and one thing only matters: the contract proof.
Different devices have different color spaces. Different printers, presses, and monitors have different characteristic color curves. That’s why the contract proof exists.

The workflow I’ve always used has started with the idea that a specific type of contract proof–a DuPont Waterproof or a 3M Matchprint, say–is the reality. This proof is what the client sees; this proof is what the press operator matches; this proof, not what a person sees on a computer screen, represents the reality of how the piece "should" look. Monitor calibration, when it is done, is done for the purpose of making the image on the monitor look as close as possible to the contract proof.
I’ve been working in CMYK almost exclusively for the last sixteen years, and so I have a pretty good sense of what a particular set of numbers will look like when proofed. I never work without the Info palette up; hell, I’ll even keep it set to display CMYK and RGB and I’ll look at the CMYK numbers while I’m color correcting an RGB image.

As a result, I don’t rely on having a color-calibrated monitor; nor do I rely on using profiles to deal with color. I look at the numbers; they don’t lie, though everything else may. As a result, I can color correct on a low-end laptop LCD better than many folks can color correct on a top-of-the-line calibrated monitor. 🙂


Photography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html
DA
David Azose
May 28, 2008
Mike Russell wrote:
I seldom start threads in this group, because my interest is in helping people with answers, and in my own learning when I run into a question that I can’t answer, and need to do a little research.

Recently there has been little discussion of "accurate colors", followed by the usual recommendation that the person asking the question purchase a screen calibration device. I think a few words here might save people some money, or cause their money to be spent on a new display, lens, or other equipment.

Color is an enormously complex field of human endeavor, and the only thing that is certain is that we don’t know everything about it yet. Photography, particularly with the new advances in digital photography and profiling, is in an explosive stage of complexity, and there are a large number of things that you need to know to really navigate what happens to an image on its way from the original subject to your screen or printer.
By the time colors reach your screen, there have been through a pipeline consisting of several stages of capture and processing. Each stage has its own flaws and idiosyncrasies. For example, the lighting, reflections between objects and within the camera, the optical and detector system, and potential processing in the camera or the raw processor each take their toll on the accuracy of the final captured image. What matters is not accurate colors, but colors that look good, and an image that brings out the important colors and textures of the subject.

There are two philosophies for dealing with how to get good colors. One is called "calibrationism", and is based on the notion that any bad colors, such as poor skin tones or color casts, means that there is an error somewhere in the pipeline, and fixing the colors is a matter of chasing down where that error is. When confronted with poor colors, a calibrationist will never ask about a specific color or object in the image, but instead about which components were calibrated, and recommend purchasing additional hardware or custom profiles. Final tuning, for a calibrationist, is always a purely visual affair that relies 100 percent on an accurately calibrated monitor. I have several dear friends who are completely sold on this notion. I think it is a will o’ the wisp, and many millions of dollars have been wasted on calibration gadgets.
I myself am a big fan of calibrationism’s toys and gadgets. I have always liked histograms, ever since seeing one on a NASA photograph many years ago. I also have a soft spot in my heart for measurement gadgets. I use a screen calibration device, and find that it works quite well. I do not hesitate to alter the monitor settings afterward, if I find that things are not matching perfectly. I also have a spectrophotometer for measuring prints and colored objects. It is not used for creating profiles, but for experimentation and verification when I want to make sure something is working correctly, figure out what is unusual about a printout or a colored object such as a flower, or to compare colors in a quantitative way.
Although they are convenient, and even necessary in a production environment, none of these gadgets is necessary to create excellent images, as witnessed by the fact that many good images were being created, easily, in Photoshop before calibration devices were available on the market.
The other philosophy was created by Dan Margulis and is called "by the numbers". He acknowledges that calibration is important, but need not rely on instruments. Each image can benefit from a certain amount of individual treatment. This is done methodically, using tools and knowledge to home in the colors of specific objects, such as grays or skin tones, and to assign color and contrast to important objects in the image. "By the numbers" says that it doesn’t really matter how the colors got there, fix them, and you’ll have a good image. Learn to fix them well, and quickly, and you’re on the road to having better and better images for the rest of your life. With "by the numbers", it is possible, though masochistic, to get good colors using only a black and white monitor.

Naturally, others are welcome to chime in with their own thoughts and ideas. I’m not prone to arguing, once I’ve said my say, but I will be happy to answer questions, or to otherwise clarify what I have said here.

I agree generally with what you’ve written. However I’d like to add one more thought: color management is not the same as color correction. The aim of color correction is to achieve pleasing color, while the aim of color management is to achieve PREDICTABLE color, often between 2 or more computer systems.

So if you are making prints by yourself, for yourself and you are the only person that has to be pleased by the prints, then "by the numbers" without any fancy instrumentation is an acceptable way to go. However, if you send files to a lab to be printed, or for that matter to another computer and computer operator to be edited/printed, then color management is needed, the first step of that management being calibrating each monitor to a known standard.

David A.

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