Epson Stylus Photo r1900Configuration

RDOC wrote:

Can anyone tell me where I can find or give me instructions on setting up the Color Settings for an Epson Stylus Photo r1900 printer in Photoshop CS4. I know all the tabs and I was figuring on letting the printer do the color management and using Adobe RGB 1998 but I don’t know what particular settings to use for the printer configuration.

If you want the printer to do the color management, you don’t have to set anything in Photoshop. Just set ‘Printer Manages Color’ in the Photoshop print dialog, and select ‘AdobeRGB’ as setting in the printer dialog.

—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com

RDOC wrote:

Can anyone tell me where I can find or give me instructions on setting up the Color Settings for an Epson Stylus Photo r1900 printer in Photoshop CS4. I know all the tabs and I was figuring on letting the printer do the color management and using Adobe RGB 1998 but I don’t know what particular settings to use for the printer configuration.

Are you asking how to configure the printer when you make a print?

—
JD..

On Oct 31, 7:40 pm, JD wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Can anyone tell me where I can find or give me instructions on setting up the Color Settings for an Epson Stylus Photo r1900 printer in Photoshop CS4. I know all the tabs and I was figuring on letting the printer do the color management and using Adobe RGB 1998 but I don’t know what particular settings to use for the printer configuration.

Are you asking how to configure the printer when you make a print?
—
JD..

Hi JD
I got the r1900 printer and want to set it up to print. I am lost on how to set it up. If I had a copy of the pages, in Photoshop: File/ Print and than Page Setup/the main and advance tabs I could see all the tabs and what the settings are. I tried to set it up two different ways, with Photoshop Managing the color and the other way with the printer managing the color, and I am getting bad prints or I should say they are really different than I see on the monitor. I have searched the internet and I can’t find any help on the proper settings to do this so if you can help here boy I really would appreciate it! If you could give me a copy of those three pages that would be great. I have the profiles of all the Epson papers already installed and I have the Camera setup for Adobe RGB 1998.

RDOC wrote:

On Oct 31, 7:40 pm, JD wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Can anyone tell me where I can find or give me instructions on setting up the Color Settings for an Epson Stylus Photo r1900 printer in Photoshop CS4. I know all the tabs and I was figuring on letting the printer do the color management and using Adobe RGB 1998 but I don’t know what particular settings to use for the printer configuration.

Are you asking how to configure the printer when you make a print?
—
JD..

Hi JD
I got the r1900 printer and want to set it up to print. I am lost on how to set it up. If I had a copy of the pages, in Photoshop: File/ Print and than Page Setup/the main and advance tabs I could see all the tabs and what the settings are. I tried to set it up two different ways, with Photoshop Managing the color and the other way with the printer managing the color, and I am getting bad prints or I should say they are really different than I see on the monitor. I have searched the internet and I can’t find any help on the proper settings to do this so if you can help here boy I really would appreciate it! If you could give me a copy of those three pages that would be great. I have the profiles of all the Epson papers already installed and I have the Camera setup for Adobe RGB 1998.

Keep in mind I’m using CS3 and a different Epson so things may not be exactly the same.

Start with Epson web page:

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/jsp/index.do

Get Drivers & Support, Printers.
Printers, Ink Jet, find your r1900
Documents & Manuals, product documentation.
User’s guide, pdf.

This probably came with your printer but I like to have a .pdf for quick reference.

Start on page 16.

On CS3, to configure my Epson, I select File, Print.

On the right side of that dialog, Printer Manages Color, Printer Profile is Working RGB, Relative Colorimetric is Rendering Intent.

I select my Epson printer and then Page Setup and I get my Printer Properties. There are four tabs. The Main tab is where you select the print quality, the Advanced tab is where you set the paper.

For photo prints I use Epson papers. Epson keeps changing the name on my paper but I think the numbers stay the same.

I proof on their inexpensive photo paper, SO41062, 100 sheets per box, and then print my final on their inexpensive thick photo paper, SO41649, 50 sheets per box. The last time I purchased paper I got it at Staples.

I don’t use paper profiles. Back on the Epson support page, Drivers & Downloads, Premium ICC Profiles.

Am I helping or just making it worse?

—
JD..

RDOC wrote:

On Oct 31, 7:40 pm, JD wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Can anyone tell me where I can find or give me instructions on setting up the Color Settings for an Epson Stylus Photo r1900 printer in Photoshop CS4. I know all the tabs and I was figuring on letting the printer do the color management and using Adobe RGB 1998 but I don’t know what particular settings to use for the printer configuration.

Are you asking how to configure the printer when you make a print?
—
JD..

Hi JD
I got the r1900 printer and want to set it up to print. I am lost on how to set it up. If I had a copy of the pages, in Photoshop: File/ Print and than Page Setup/the main and advance tabs I could see all the tabs and what the settings are. I tried to set it up two different ways, with Photoshop Managing the color and the other way with the printer managing the color, and I am getting bad prints or I should say they are really different than I see on the monitor. I have searched the internet and I can’t find any help on the proper settings to do this so if you can help here boy I really would appreciate it! If you could give me a copy of those three pages that would be great. I have the profiles of all the Epson papers already installed and I have the Camera setup for Adobe RGB 1998.

In PS, when you are editing your photo for print, it is important to simulate the paper which is not 100% white (like your display) but a very light grey.

In PS CS3 (I assume it’s pretty much the same in CS4) do:

View -> Proof Setup -> Custom -> Custom Proof Condition = Custom; Device to Simulate = "Working CYMK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2"; Renering intent (as needed, I use Relative Colorimetric); and IMPORTANT: Simulate Paper Color checked.

The above looks complicated but is done in a few clicks.

Then you will see the image "greyed" as if it were on paper. Re-adjust brighness, black point, etc. to get what you want and then print. You’ll be closer to WYSIWYG – but it’s never spot on.

A monitor is a light transmissive RGB device and a print is a reflective CYMK device.

On Oct 31, 6:05 pm, (Johan W. Elzenga) wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Can anyone tell me where I can find or give me instructions on setting up the Color Settings for an Epson Stylus Photo r1900 printer in Photoshop CS4. I know all the tabs and I was figuring on letting the printer do the color management and using Adobe RGB 1998 but I don’t know what particular settings to use for the printer configuration.

If you want the printer to do the color management, you don’t have to set anything in Photoshop. Just set ‘Printer Manages Color’ in the Photoshop print dialog, and select ‘AdobeRGB’ as setting in the printer dialog.

—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com

Under Color Management do I select Document or Proof?

On Nov 1, 9:10 am, JD wrote:

RDOC wrote:

On Oct 31, 7:40 pm, JD wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Can anyone tell me where I can find or give me instructions on setting up the Color Settings for an Epson Stylus Photo r1900 printer in Photoshop CS4. I know all the tabs and I was figuring on letting the printer do the color management and using Adobe RGB 1998 but I don’t know what particular settings to use for the printer configuration.

Are you asking how to configure the printer when you make a print?

—
JD..

Hi JD
I got the r1900 printer and want to set it up to print. I am lost on how to set it up. If I had a copy of the pages, in Photoshop: File/ Print and than Page Setup/the main and advance tabs I could see all the tabs and what the settings are. I tried to set it up two different ways, with Photoshop Managing the color and the other way with the printer managing the color, and I am getting bad prints or I should say they are really different than I see on the monitor. I have searched the internet and I can’t find any help on the proper settings to do this so if you can help here boy I really would appreciate it! If you could give me a copy of those three pages that would be great. I have the profiles of all the Epson papers already installed and I have the Camera setup for Adobe RGB 1998.

Keep in mind I’m using CS3 and a different Epson so things may not be exactly the same.

Start with Epson web page:

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/jsp/index.do

Get Drivers & Support, Printers.
Printers, Ink Jet, find your r1900
Documents & Manuals, product documentation.
User’s guide, pdf.

This probably came with your printer but I like to have a .pdf for quick reference.

Start on page 16.

On CS3, to configure my Epson, I select File, Print.

On the right side of that dialog, Printer Manages Color, Printer Profile is Working RGB, Relative Colorimetric is Rendering Intent.
I select my Epson printer and then Page Setup and I get my Printer Properties. There are four tabs. The Main tab is where you select the print quality, the Advanced tab is where you set the paper.
For photo prints I use Epson papers. Epson keeps changing the name on my paper but I think the numbers stay the same.

I proof on their inexpensive photo paper, SO41062, 100 sheets per box, and then print my final on their inexpensive thick photo paper, SO41649, 50 sheets per box. The last time I purchased paper I got it at Staples.
I don’t use paper profiles. Back on the Epson support page, Drivers & Downloads, Premium ICC Profiles.

Am I helping or just making it worse?

—
JD..

Ok you helped but you left out a few items. Under Color Management do you select Document or Proof? With that answer we pretty well covered the page in Photoshop.
Now we need to cover the two tabs in the printer, the main and the advanced tab. If you can cover them I think that will get me going. However I do have one question, if we pick that the printer manages the color than I believe the only other item in Photoshop of importance or function in the printing is Rendering Intent since all the other items are greyed out?

Photoshop Page Contains:
I have Color Management and I have to select Document (Profile: ((Adobe1998)) or Proof
Color Handling: Printer Manages Color
Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
That is it for the Photoshop page now we need to do the two pages for the printer.
BTW thanks it is really a big help and I need it.

RDOC wrote:

On Oct 31, 6:05 pm, (Johan W. Elzenga) wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Can anyone tell me where I can find or give me instructions on setting up the Color Settings for an Epson Stylus Photo r1900 printer in Photoshop CS4. I know all the tabs and I was figuring on letting the printer do the color management and using Adobe RGB 1998 but I don’t know what particular settings to use for the printer configuration.

If you want the printer to do the color management, you don’t have to set anything in Photoshop. Just set ‘Printer Manages Color’ in the Photoshop print dialog, and select ‘AdobeRGB’ as setting in the printer dialog.

Under Color Management do I select Document or Proof?

Document. There is nothing to proof if Photoshop doesn’t do the color management.

—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com

On Nov 1, 10:32 am, Alan Browne
wrote:

RDOC wrote:

On Oct 31, 7:40 pm, JD wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Can anyone tell me where I can find or give me instructions on setting up the Color Settings for an Epson Stylus Photo r1900 printer in Photoshop CS4. I know all the tabs and I was figuring on letting the printer do the color management and using Adobe RGB 1998 but I don’t know what particular settings to use for the printer configuration.

Are you asking how to configure the printer when you make a print?

—
JD..

Hi JD
I got the r1900 printer and want to set it up to print. I am lost on how to set it up. If I had a copy of the pages, in Photoshop: File/ Print and than Page Setup/the main and advance tabs I could see all the tabs and what the settings are. I tried to set it up two different ways, with Photoshop Managing the color and the other way with the printer managing the color, and I am getting bad prints or I should say they are really different than I see on the monitor. I have searched the internet and I can’t find any help on the proper settings to do this so if you can help here boy I really would appreciate it! If you could give me a copy of those three pages that would be great. I have the profiles of all the Epson papers already installed and I have the Camera setup for Adobe RGB 1998.

In PS, when you are editing your photo for print, it is important to simulate the paper which is not 100% white (like your display) but a very light grey.

In PS CS3 (I assume it’s pretty much the same in CS4) do:
View -> Proof Setup -> Custom -> Custom Proof Condition = Custom; Device to Simulate = "Working CYMK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2"; Renering intent (as needed, I use Relative Colorimetric); and IMPORTANT: Simulate Paper Color checked.

The above looks complicated but is done in a few clicks.
Then you will see the image "greyed" as if it were on paper. Re-adjust brighness, black point, etc. to get what you want and then print. You’ll be closer to WYSIWYG – but it’s never spot on.

A monitor is a light transmissive RGB device and a print is a reflective CYMK device.

Alan I assume this setting only takes hold if you are having Photoshop manage the color and not having the printer manage the color?

RDOC wrote:

On Nov 1, 10:32 am, Alan Browne
wrote:

RDOC wrote:

On Oct 31, 7:40 pm, JD wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Can anyone tell me where I can find or give me instructions on setting up the Color Settings for an Epson Stylus Photo r1900 printer in Photoshop CS4. I know all the tabs and I was figuring on letting the printer do the color management and using Adobe RGB 1998 but I don’t know what particular settings to use for the printer configuration.

Are you asking how to configure the printer when you make a print? —
JD..

Hi JD
I got the r1900 printer and want to set it up to print. I am lost on how to set it up. If I had a copy of the pages, in Photoshop: File/ Print and than Page Setup/the main and advance tabs I could see all the tabs and what the settings are. I tried to set it up two different ways, with Photoshop Managing the color and the other way with the printer managing the color, and I am getting bad prints or I should say they are really different than I see on the monitor. I have searched the internet and I can’t find any help on the proper settings to do this so if you can help here boy I really would appreciate it! If you could give me a copy of those three pages that would be great. I have the profiles of all the Epson papers already installed and I have the Camera setup for Adobe RGB 1998.

In PS, when you are editing your photo for print, it is important to simulate the paper which is not 100% white (like your display) but a very light grey.

In PS CS3 (I assume it’s pretty much the same in CS4) do:
View -> Proof Setup -> Custom -> Custom Proof Condition = Custom; Device to Simulate = "Working CYMK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2"; Renering intent (as needed, I use Relative Colorimetric); and IMPORTANT: Simulate Paper Color checked.

The above looks complicated but is done in a few clicks.
Then you will see the image "greyed" as if it were on paper. Re-adjust brighness, black point, etc. to get what you want and then print. You’ll be closer to WYSIWYG – but it’s never spot on.

A monitor is a light transmissive RGB device and a print is a reflective CYMK device.

Alan I assume this setting only takes hold if you are having Photoshop manage the color and not having the printer manage the color?

That is true. I don’t like the results of Epson 3800 color management. Seems to saturate the lighter/brighter colours and renders duller dark colours (It’s been a couple years since I used that). However the "US Web coated (SWOP) v2" is not an Adobe ink space, it is a printing standard.

However, even if you go with the printer color management, I don’t believe you’ll get monitor to print match without simulating the paper.

On Nov 1, 2:10 pm, Alan Browne
wrote:

RDOC wrote:

On Nov 1, 10:32 am, Alan Browne
wrote:

RDOC wrote:

On Oct 31, 7:40 pm, JD wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Can anyone tell me where I can find or give me instructions on setting up the Color Settings for an Epson Stylus Photo r1900 printer in Photoshop CS4. I know all the tabs and I was figuring on letting the printer do the color management and using Adobe RGB 1998 but I don’t know what particular settings to use for the printer configuration.

Are you asking how to configure the printer when you make a print? —
JD..

Hi JD
I got the r1900 printer and want to set it up to print. I am lost on how to set it up. If I had a copy of the pages, in Photoshop: File/ Print and than Page Setup/the main and advance tabs I could see all the tabs and what the settings are. I tried to set it up two different ways, with Photoshop Managing the color and the other way with the printer managing the color, and I am getting bad prints or I should say they are really different than I see on the monitor. I have searched the internet and I can’t find any help on the proper settings to do this so if you can help here boy I really would appreciate it! If you could give me a copy of those three pages that would be great. I have the profiles of all the Epson papers already installed and I have the Camera setup for Adobe RGB 1998.

In PS, when you are editing your photo for print, it is important to simulate the paper which is not 100% white (like your display) but a very light grey.

In PS CS3 (I assume it’s pretty much the same in CS4) do:

View -> Proof Setup -> Custom -> Custom Proof Condition = Custom; Device to Simulate = "Working CYMK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2"; Renering intent (as needed, I use Relative Colorimetric); and IMPORTANT: Simulate Paper Color checked.

The above looks complicated but is done in a few clicks.

Then you will see the image "greyed" as if it were on paper. Re-adjust brighness, black point, etc. to get what you want and then print. You’ll be closer to WYSIWYG – but it’s never spot on.

A monitor is a light transmissive RGB device and a print is a reflective CYMK device.

Alan I assume this setting only takes hold if you are having Photoshop manage the color and not having the printer manage the color?

That is true. I don’t like the results of Epson 3800 color management. Seems to saturate the lighter/brighter colours and renders duller dark colours (It’s been a couple years since I used that). However the "US Web coated (SWOP) v2" is not an Adobe ink space, it is a printing standard.
However, even if you go with the printer color management, I don’t believe you’ll get monitor to print match without simulating the paper.

However you can’t do that I don’t believe since it is greyed out when you choice the printer manages color. Are you saying that you get better results when you chose Photoshop manages color?

RDOC wrote:

On Nov 1, 2:10 pm, Alan Browne
wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Alan I assume this setting only takes hold if you are having Photoshop manage the color and not having the printer manage the color?

That is true. I don’t like the results of Epson 3800 color management. Seems to saturate the lighter/brighter colours and renders duller dark colours (It’s been a couple years since I used that). However the "US Web coated (SWOP) v2" is not an Adobe ink space, it is a printing standard.
However, even if you go with the printer color management, I don’t believe you’ll get monitor to print match without simulating the paper.

However you can’t do that I don’t believe since it is greyed out when you choice the printer manages color. Are you saying that you get better results when you chose Photoshop manages color?

That was my result after a lot of experimentation and getting advice from others on the web. Perhaps I need to re-visit it, but time …

I was getting consistently dull looking prints until I adopted the "simulate" and SWOP mode.

On Nov 1, 6:07 pm, Alan Browne
wrote:

RDOC wrote:

On Nov 1, 2:10 pm, Alan Browne
wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Alan I assume this setting only takes hold if you are having Photoshop manage the color and not having the printer manage the color?

That is true. I don’t like the results of Epson 3800 color management. Seems to saturate the lighter/brighter colours and renders duller dark colours (It’s been a couple years since I used that). However the "US Web coated (SWOP) v2" is not an Adobe ink space, it is a printing standard.

However, even if you go with the printer color management, I don’t believe you’ll get monitor to print match without simulating the paper.

However you can’t do that I don’t believe since it is greyed out when you choice the printer manages color. Are you saying that you get better results when you chose Photoshop manages color?

That was my result after a lot of experimentation and getting advice from others on the web. Perhaps I need to re-visit it, but time …
I was getting consistently dull looking prints until I adopted the "simulate" and SWOP mode.

Alan I don’t mean to be thick headed but are you picking Photoshop to manage the color?

RDOC wrote:

On Nov 1, 6:07 pm, Alan Browne
wrote:

RDOC wrote:

On Nov 1, 2:10 pm, Alan Browne
wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Alan I assume this setting only takes hold if you are having Photoshop manage the color and not having the printer manage the color?

That is true. I don’t like the results of Epson 3800 color management. Seems to saturate the lighter/brighter colours and renders duller dark colours (It’s been a couple years since I used that). However the "US Web coated (SWOP) v2" is not an Adobe ink space, it is a printing standard. However, even if you go with the printer color management, I don’t believe you’ll get monitor to print match without simulating the paper.

However you can’t do that I don’t believe since it is greyed out when you choice the printer manages color. Are you saying that you get better results when you chose Photoshop manages color?

That was my result after a lot of experimentation and getting advice from others on the web. Perhaps I need to re-visit it, but time …
I was getting consistently dull looking prints until I adopted the "simulate" and SWOP mode.

Alan I don’t mean to be thick headed but are you picking Photoshop to manage the color?

Yes.

RDOC wrote:

On Nov 1, 6:07 pm, Alan Browne
wrote:

RDOC wrote:

On Nov 1, 2:10 pm, Alan Browne
wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Alan I assume this setting only takes hold if you are having Photoshop manage the color and not having the printer manage the color?

That is true. I don’t like the results of Epson 3800 color management. Seems to saturate the lighter/brighter colours and renders duller dark colours (It’s been a couple years since I used that). However the "US Web coated (SWOP) v2" is not an Adobe ink space, it is a printing standard.

However, even if you go with the printer color management, I don’t believe you’ll get monitor to print match without simulating the paper.

However you can’t do that I don’t believe since it is greyed out when you choice the printer manages color. Are you saying that you get better results when you chose Photoshop manages color?

That was my result after a lot of experimentation and getting advice from others on the web. Perhaps I need to re-visit it, but time …
I was getting consistently dull looking prints until I adopted the "simulate" and SWOP mode.

Alan I don’t mean to be thick headed but are you picking Photoshop to manage the color?

I had a Hell of a time letting PS manage my color using my Epson printer. Sometimes my Epson print doesn’t match exactly what’s on the screen but it still makes a nice print if I select the paper I’m using and the highest print output. You may need to experiment with the different settings to see what works for you. I’m not a professional photographer so all I’m looking for is a nice final result.

—
JD..

On Nov 1, 8:36 pm, Alan Browne
wrote:

RDOC wrote:

On Nov 1, 6:07 pm, Alan Browne
wrote:

RDOC wrote:

On Nov 1, 2:10 pm, Alan Browne
wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Alan I assume this setting only takes hold if you are having Photoshop manage the color and not having the printer manage the color?

That is true. I don’t like the results of Epson 3800 color management. Seems to saturate the lighter/brighter colours and renders duller dark colours (It’s been a couple years since I used that). However the "US Web coated (SWOP) v2" is not an Adobe ink space, it is a printing standard. However, even if you go with the printer color management, I don’t believe you’ll get monitor to print match without simulating the paper.

However you can’t do that I don’t believe since it is greyed out when you choice the printer manages color. Are you saying that you get better results when you chose Photoshop manages color?

That was my result after a lot of experimentation and getting advice from others on the web. Perhaps I need to re-visit it, but time …

I was getting consistently dull looking prints until I adopted the "simulate" and SWOP mode.

Alan I don’t mean to be thick headed but are you picking Photoshop to manage the color?

Yes.

Ok than could you tell me the rest of the settings that you select in the Print and View menus in Photoshop. I assume they are: Color Management: Proof
Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
Printer Profile: Working CMYK – US Web Coated ((SWOP) v2)) Proof Setup: Epson Stylus r1900
Stimulate Paper Color

View Proof Setup: Custom
Device to Simulate: Working CMYK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2 Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
Black Point Compensation
Simulate Paper Color
in Photoshop, would appreciate that.

RDOC wrote:

Alan I don’t mean to be thick headed but are you picking Photoshop to manage the color?

Yes.

Ok than could you tell me the rest of the settings that you select in the Print and View menus in Photoshop. I assume they are: Color Management: Proof
Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
Printer Profile: Working CMYK – US Web Coated ((SWOP) v2)) Proof Setup: Epson Stylus r1900
Stimulate Paper Color

View Proof Setup: Custom
Device to Simulate: Working CMYK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2 Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
Black Point Compensation
Simulate Paper Color

If these are your settings, than they are WRONG! These settings are for a generic CMYK printing press, not for your Epson printer.

You have to pick a printer profile of the Epson Stylus R1900 printer, which is NOT the same as ‘Working CMYK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2)’. In fact, these printer profiles are RGB-based, even though the printer obviously uses CYMK-based inks. The reason is that the printer driver expects RGB input, not CMYK input. The name of the printer profile will reflect the paper choice, so it will be something like ‘SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto’.

—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com

On Nov 2, 8:40 am, (Johan W. Elzenga) wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Alan I don’t mean to be thick headed but are you picking Photoshop to manage the color?

Yes.

Ok than could you tell me the rest of the settings that you select in the Print and View menus in Photoshop. I assume they are: Color Management: Proof
Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
Printer Profile: Working CMYK – US Web Coated ((SWOP) v2)) Proof Setup: Epson Stylus r1900
Stimulate Paper Color

View Proof Setup: Custom
Device to Simulate: Working CMYK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2 Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
Black Point Compensation
Simulate Paper Color

If these are your settings, than they are WRONG! These settings are for a generic CMYK printing press, not for your Epson printer.
You have to pick a printer profile of the Epson Stylus R1900 printer, which is NOT the same as ‘Working CMYK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2)’. In fact, these printer profiles are RGB-based, even though the printer obviously uses CYMK-based inks. The reason is that the printer driver expects RGB input, not CMYK input. The name of the printer profile will reflect the paper choice, so it will be something like ‘SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto’.

—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com

Could you please tell me the right settings to use if I want to make Photoshop manage the color and use Premium Photo Paper Glossy?

Johan W. Elzenga wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Alan I don’t mean to be thick headed but are you picking Photoshop to manage the color?

Yes.

Ok than could you tell me the rest of the settings that you select in the Print and View menus in Photoshop. I assume they are: Color Management: Proof
Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
Printer Profile: Working CMYK – US Web Coated ((SWOP) v2)) Proof Setup: Epson Stylus r1900
Stimulate Paper Color

View Proof Setup: Custom
Device to Simulate: Working CMYK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2 Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
Black Point Compensation
Simulate Paper Color

If these are your settings, than they are WRONG! These settings are for a generic CMYK printing press, not for your Epson printer.
You have to pick a printer profile of the Epson Stylus R1900 printer, which is NOT the same as ‘Working CMYK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2)’. In fact, these printer profiles are RGB-based, even though the printer obviously uses CYMK-based inks. The reason is that the printer driver expects RGB input, not CMYK input. The name of the printer profile will reflect the paper choice, so it will be something like ‘SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto’.

Well, this has been my best match for screen to paper for the last two years. (Epson 3800, not r1900). Perhaps I should revisit it, but letting the printer manage the colours has resulted in dull output.

On Nov 1, 9:10 am, JD wrote:

RDOC wrote:

On Oct 31, 7:40 pm, JD wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Can anyone tell me where I can find or give me instructions on setting up the Color Settings for an Epson Stylus Photo r1900 printer in Photoshop CS4. I know all the tabs and I was figuring on letting the printer do the color management and using Adobe RGB 1998 but I don’t know what particular settings to use for the printer configuration.

Are you asking how to configure the printer when you make a print?

—
JD..

Hi JD
I got the r1900 printer and want to set it up to print. I am lost on how to set it up. If I had a copy of the pages, in Photoshop: File/ Print and than Page Setup/the main and advance tabs I could see all the tabs and what the settings are. I tried to set it up two different ways, with Photoshop Managing the color and the other way with the printer managing the color, and I am getting bad prints or I should say they are really different than I see on the monitor. I have searched the internet and I can’t find any help on the proper settings to do this so if you can help here boy I really would appreciate it! If you could give me a copy of those three pages that would be great. I have the profiles of all the Epson papers already installed and I have the Camera setup for Adobe RGB 1998.

Keep in mind I’m using CS3 and a different Epson so things may not be exactly the same.

Start with Epson web page:

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/jsp/index.do

Get Drivers & Support, Printers.
Printers, Ink Jet, find your r1900
Documents & Manuals, product documentation.
User’s guide, pdf.

This probably came with your printer but I like to have a .pdf for quick reference.

Start on page 16.

On CS3, to configure my Epson, I select File, Print.

On the right side of that dialog, Printer Manages Color, Printer Profile is Working RGB, Relative Colorimetric is Rendering Intent.
I select my Epson printer and then Page Setup and I get my Printer Properties. There are four tabs. The Main tab is where you select the print quality, the Advanced tab is where you set the paper.
For photo prints I use Epson papers. Epson keeps changing the name on my paper but I think the numbers stay the same.

I proof on their inexpensive photo paper, SO41062, 100 sheets per box, and then print my final on their inexpensive thick photo paper, SO41649, 50 sheets per box. The last time I purchased paper I got it at Staples.
I don’t use paper profiles. Back on the Epson support page, Drivers & Downloads, Premium ICC Profiles.

Am I helping or just making it worse?

—
JD..

JD is this the paper that you use for proofing,
http://www.keenzo.com/showproduct.asp?ID=716355?

RDOC wrote:

Ok than could you tell me the rest of the settings that you select in the Print and View menus in Photoshop. I assume they are: Color Management: Proof
Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
Printer Profile: Working CMYK – US Web Coated ((SWOP) v2)) Proof Setup: Epson Stylus r1900
Stimulate Paper Color

View Proof Setup: Custom
Device to Simulate: Working CMYK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2 Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
Black Point Compensation
Simulate Paper Color

If these are your settings, than they are WRONG! These settings are for a generic CMYK printing press, not for your Epson printer.
You have to pick a printer profile of the Epson Stylus R1900 printer, which is NOT the same as ‘Working CMYK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2)’. In fact, these printer profiles are RGB-based, even though the printer obviously uses CYMK-based inks. The reason is that the printer driver expects RGB input, not CMYK input. The name of the printer profile will reflect the paper choice, so it will be something like ‘SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto’.

Could you please tell me the right settings to use if I want to make Photoshop manage the color and use Premium Photo Paper Glossy?

Color Management: Document
Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
Printer Profile: SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto
Rendering Intent: Relative Colorimetric
Black Point Compensation

If you want to see simulation of what your print will look like (so you can correct it if you don’t like what you see), use the following sttings in Photoshop. This is what we call a ‘soft proof’.

View – Proof Setup: Custom
Device to Simulate: SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto
Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
Black Point Compensation
Simulate Paper Color

Then, when the printer dialog comes up, turn OFF color management in the printer driver (because Photoshop is already taking care of it). Read the manual that comes with your printer if you don’t know how to do that, or go to this website (see the links at the bottom of the page): http://www.computer-darkroom.com/ps10_print/ps10_print_1.htm

—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com

Alan Browne wrote:

Ok than could you tell me the rest of the settings that you select in the Print and View menus in Photoshop. I assume they are: Color Management: Proof
Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
Printer Profile: Working CMYK – US Web Coated ((SWOP) v2)) Proof Setup: Epson Stylus r1900
Stimulate Paper Color

View Proof Setup: Custom
Device to Simulate: Working CMYK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2 Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
Black Point Compensation
Simulate Paper Color

If these are your settings, than they are WRONG! These settings are for a generic CMYK printing press, not for your Epson printer.
You have to pick a printer profile of the Epson Stylus R1900 printer, which is NOT the same as ‘Working CMYK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2)’. In fact, these printer profiles are RGB-based, even though the printer obviously uses CYMK-based inks. The reason is that the printer driver expects RGB input, not CMYK input. The name of the printer profile will reflect the paper choice, so it will be something like ‘SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto’.

Well, this has been my best match for screen to paper for the last two years. (Epson 3800, not r1900). Perhaps I should revisit it, but letting the printer manage the colours has resulted in dull output.

See my answer to the OP. You are using a generic CMYK printing press profile instead of a specific Epson printer profile. It may have been your best match, but that is purely by coincidence.

—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com

RDOC wrote:

On Nov 1, 9:10 am, JD wrote:

RDOC wrote:

On Oct 31, 7:40 pm, JD wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Can anyone tell me where I can find or give me instructions on setting up the Color Settings for an Epson Stylus Photo r1900 printer in Photoshop CS4. I know all the tabs and I was figuring on letting the printer do the color management and using Adobe RGB 1998 but I don’t know what particular settings to use for the printer configuration.

Are you asking how to configure the printer when you make a print?

—
JD..

Hi JD
I got the r1900 printer and want to set it up to print. I am lost on how to set it up. If I had a copy of the pages, in Photoshop: File/ Print and than Page Setup/the main and advance tabs I could see all the tabs and what the settings are. I tried to set it up two different ways, with Photoshop Managing the color and the other way with the printer managing the color, and I am getting bad prints or I should say they are really different than I see on the monitor. I have searched the internet and I can’t find any help on the proper settings to do this so if you can help here boy I really would appreciate it! If you could give me a copy of those three pages that would be great. I have the profiles of all the Epson papers already installed and I have the Camera setup for Adobe RGB 1998.

Keep in mind I’m using CS3 and a different Epson so things may not be exactly the same.

Start with Epson web page:

http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/jsp/index.do

Get Drivers& Support, Printers.
Printers, Ink Jet, find your r1900
Documents& Manuals, product documentation.
User’s guide, pdf.

This probably came with your printer but I like to have a .pdf for quick reference.

Start on page 16.

On CS3, to configure my Epson, I select File, Print.

On the right side of that dialog, Printer Manages Color, Printer Profile is Working RGB, Relative Colorimetric is Rendering Intent.
I select my Epson printer and then Page Setup and I get my Printer Properties. There are four tabs. The Main tab is where you select the print quality, the Advanced tab is where you set the paper.
For photo prints I use Epson papers. Epson keeps changing the name on my paper but I think the numbers stay the same.

I proof on their inexpensive photo paper, SO41062, 100 sheets per box, and then print my final on their inexpensive thick photo paper, SO41649, 50 sheets per box. The last time I purchased paper I got it at Staples.
I don’t use paper profiles. Back on the Epson support page, Drivers& Downloads, Premium ICC Profiles.

Am I helping or just making it worse?

—
JD..

JD is this the paper that you use for proofing,
http://www.keenzo.com/showproduct.asp?ID=716355?

Yes, I believe it is. The link shows the old packaging, Staples has it for $14.99 for a 100 sheets, in stock. The paper is now called Presentation Paper, Matte but along the top of that is says Formerly Photo Quality Ink Jet Paper. It’s not really a "matte" finish, it’s just a paper finish.

The SO41649 is now called Photo Paper Glossy, Formerly Glossy Photo Paper and Staples used to carry it but they don’t seem to anymore. Epson sells it for $31.50 for 100 sheets. I’ve never bought paper from Epson, just my cartridges. Best Buy sells 50 sheets for $23.99, in stock.

—
JD..

On Nov 2, 12:40 pm, (Johan W. Elzenga) wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Ok than could you tell me the rest of the settings that you select in the Print and View menus in Photoshop. I assume they are: Color Management: Proof
Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
Printer Profile: Working CMYK – US Web Coated ((SWOP) v2)) Proof Setup: Epson Stylus r1900
Stimulate Paper Color

View Proof Setup: Custom
Device to Simulate: Working CMYK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2 Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
Black Point Compensation
Simulate Paper Color

If these are your settings, than they are WRONG! These settings are for a generic CMYK printing press, not for your Epson printer.

You have to pick a printer profile of the Epson Stylus R1900 printer, which is NOT the same as ‘Working CMYK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2)’. In fact, these printer profiles are RGB-based, even though the printer obviously uses CYMK-based inks. The reason is that the printer driver expects RGB input, not CMYK input. The name of the printer profile will reflect the paper choice, so it will be something like ‘SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto’.

Could you please tell me the right settings to use if I want to make Photoshop manage the color and use Premium Photo Paper Glossy?

Color Management: Document
Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
Printer Profile: SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto
Rendering Intent: Relative Colorimetric
Black Point Compensation

If you want to see simulation of what your print will look like (so you can correct it if you don’t like what you see), use the following sttings in Photoshop. This is what we call a ‘soft proof’.
View – Proof Setup: Custom
Device to Simulate: SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto
Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
Black Point Compensation
Simulate Paper Color

Then, when the printer dialog comes up, turn OFF color management in the printer driver (because Photoshop is already taking care of it). Read the manual that comes with your printer if you don’t know how to do that, or go to this website (see the links at the bottom of the page) :http://www.computer-darkroom.com/ps10_print/ps10_print_1.ht m

—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com

Johan you have given excellent answers and they have answered all the questions but one final one. That final one being which way do you find gives the best results: Photoshop or Printer managing color. I want to be able to print and get the print to look as close as possible to what I as seeing on my monitor. I just thought of another question, sorry, if you are using a third party paper like Kodak what do you suggest for color management? Thanks again I really appreciate everyones help here and that has made my learning process so much more pleasant and actually enjoyable. You guys have been great!

RDOC wrote:

On Nov 2, 12:40 pm, (Johan W. Elzenga) wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Ok than could you tell me the rest of the settings that you select in the Print and View menus in Photoshop. I assume they are: Color Management: Proof
Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
Printer Profile: Working CMYK – US Web Coated ((SWOP) v2)) Proof Setup: Epson Stylus r1900
Stimulate Paper Color

View Proof Setup: Custom
Device to Simulate: Working CMYK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2 Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
Black Point Compensation
Simulate Paper Color

If these are your settings, than they are WRONG! These settings are for a generic CMYK printing press, not for your Epson printer.

You have to pick a printer profile of the Epson Stylus R1900 printer, which is NOT the same as ‘Working CMYK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2)’. In fact, these printer profiles are RGB-based, even though the printer obviously uses CYMK-based inks. The reason is that the printer driver expects RGB input, not CMYK input. The name of the printer profile will reflect the paper choice, so it will be something like ‘SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto’.

Could you please tell me the right settings to use if I want to make Photoshop manage the color and use Premium Photo Paper Glossy?

Color Management: Document
Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
Printer Profile: SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto
Rendering Intent: Relative Colorimetric
Black Point Compensation

If you want to see simulation of what your print will look like (so you can correct it if you don’t like what you see), use the following sttings in Photoshop. This is what we call a ‘soft proof’.
View – Proof Setup: Custom
Device to Simulate: SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto
Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
Black Point Compensation
Simulate Paper Color

Then, when the printer dialog comes up, turn OFF color management in the printer driver (because Photoshop is already taking care of it). Read the manual that comes with your printer if you don’t know how to do that, or go to this website (see the links at the bottom of the page) :http://www.computer-darkroom.com/ps10_print/ps10_print_1.ht m

—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com

Johan you have given excellent answers and they have answered all the questions but one final one. That final one being which way do you find gives the best results: Photoshop or Printer managing color. I want to be able to print and get the print to look as close as possible to what I as seeing on my monitor. I just thought of another question, sorry, if you are using a third party paper like Kodak what do you suggest for color management? Thanks again I really appreciate everyones help here and that has made my learning process so much more pleasant and actually enjoyable. You guys have been great!

I hope you don’t mind if I reply to the question you ask Johan:

You know you can try it both ways. Turn off PS manages color and set everything with the printer software and make a print and then turn on PS manages color and disable that in your printer software and print the same thing again.

Different settings in the printer software will have it print what it thinks is a good print. You probably need to play around with your new printer. Which is not a bad thing.

Do you use some kind of monitor calibration software?

I don’t know about third party paper since I only use Epson paper when I print photos.

—
JD..

On Nov 2, 3:31 pm, JD wrote:

RDOC wrote:

On Nov 2, 12:40 pm, (Johan W. Elzenga) wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Ok than could you tell me the rest of the settings that you select in the Print and View menus in Photoshop. I assume they are: Color Management: Proof
Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
Printer Profile: Working CMYK – US Web Coated ((SWOP) v2)) Proof Setup: Epson Stylus r1900
Stimulate Paper Color

View Proof Setup: Custom
Device to Simulate: Working CMYK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2 Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
Black Point Compensation
Simulate Paper Color

If these are your settings, than they are WRONG! These settings are for a generic CMYK printing press, not for your Epson printer.

You have to pick a printer profile of the Epson Stylus R1900 printer, which is NOT the same as ‘Working CMYK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2)’. In fact, these printer profiles are RGB-based, even though the printer obviously uses CYMK-based inks. The reason is that the printer driver expects RGB input, not CMYK input. The name of the printer profile will reflect the paper choice, so it will be something like ‘SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto’.

Could you please tell me the right settings to use if I want to make Photoshop manage the color and use Premium Photo Paper Glossy?

Color Management: Document
Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
Printer Profile: SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto
Rendering Intent: Relative Colorimetric
Black Point Compensation

If you want to see simulation of what your print will look like (so you can correct it if you don’t like what you see), use the following sttings in Photoshop. This is what we call a ‘soft proof’.

View – Proof Setup: Custom
Device to Simulate: SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto
Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
Black Point Compensation
Simulate Paper Color

Then, when the printer dialog comes up, turn OFF color management in the printer driver (because Photoshop is already taking care of it). Read the manual that comes with your printer if you don’t know how to do that, or go to this website (see the links at the bottom of the page) :http://www.computer-darkroom.com/ps10_print/ps10_print_1.ht m

—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com

Johan you have given excellent answers and they have answered all the questions but one final one. That final one being which way do you find gives the best results: Photoshop or Printer managing color. I want to be able to print and get the print to look as close as possible to what I as seeing on my monitor. I just thought of another question, sorry, if you are using a third party paper like Kodak what do you suggest for color management? Thanks again I really appreciate everyones help here and that has made my learning process so much more pleasant and actually enjoyable. You guys have been great!

I hope you don’t mind if I reply to the question you ask Johan:
You know you can try it both ways. Turn off PS manages color and set everything with the printer software and make a print and then turn on PS manages color and disable that in your printer software and print the same thing again.

Different settings in the printer software will have it print what it thinks is a good print. You probably need to play around with your new printer. Which is not a bad thing.

Do you use some kind of monitor calibration software?

I don’t know about third party paper since I only use Epson paper when I print photos.

—
JD..

No calibration software I just keep playing by printing and adjusting until I get what I want. I am going to try soft proofs at this point and see how that works.

RDOC wrote:

No calibration software I just keep playing by printing and adjusting until I get what I want. I am going to try soft proofs at this point and see how that works.

I colour proof on 6×4 sheets when I’m not sure. That comes to about 24 cents of ink and 10 cents of paper.

On Nov 3, 10:53 am, Alan Browne
wrote:

RDOC wrote:

No calibration software I just keep playing by printing and adjusting until I get what I want. I am going to try soft proofs at this point and see how that works.

I colour proof on 6×4 sheets when I’m not sure. That comes to about 24 cents of ink and 10 cents of paper.

What paper do you use for the proofing?

RDOC wrote:

On Nov 3, 10:53 am, Alan Browne
wrote:

RDOC wrote:

No calibration software I just keep playing by printing and adjusting until I get what I want. I am going to try soft proofs at this point and see how that works.

I colour proof on 6×4 sheets when I’m not sure. That comes to about 24 cents of ink and 10 cents of paper.

What paper do you use for the proofing?

Always the same as for printing the final. Which these days is a "Bureau en Gros" (Staples) glossy. I find this paper every bit as good as high quality Epson paper – though at 19×13", it can crease accidentally in handling.

I’ve been looking at finer papers but I’ve yet to make a decision. (eg: Red River).

RDOC wrote:

Color Management: Document
Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
Printer Profile: SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto
Rendering Intent: Relative Colorimetric
Black Point Compensation

If you want to see simulation of what your print will look like (so you can correct it if you don’t like what you see), use the following sttings in Photoshop. This is what we call a ‘soft proof’.
View – Proof Setup: Custom
Device to Simulate: SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto
Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
Black Point Compensation
Simulate Paper Color

Then, when the printer dialog comes up, turn OFF color management in the printer driver (because Photoshop is already taking care of it). Read the manual that comes with your printer if you don’t know how to do that, or go to this website (see the links at the bottom of the page): http://www.computer-darkroom.com/ps10_print/ps10_print_1.htm
—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com

Johan you have given excellent answers and they have answered all the questions but one final one. That final one being which way do you find gives the best results: Photoshop or Printer managing color.

Photoshop manages color usually gives the best result, providing you have good quality profiles. The standard profiles that Epson supplies with their printers are indeed very good, so I would always use Photoshop manages color on an Epson printer. Only if that doesn’t give me good results, I could then try if the other option works better (or, in my case, I would make the profiles myself because I have the equipment to do so).

—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com

This article may be of interest to Mac Folks with Snow Leopard and CS4. It discusses a bug that prevents Photoshop from printing without a profile, which causes problems for calibration.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/solving.shtml —
Mike Russell – http://www.curvemeister.com

On Nov 2, 3:31 pm, JD wrote:

RDOC wrote:

On Nov 2, 12:40 pm, (Johan W. Elzenga) wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Ok than could you tell me the rest of the settings that you select in the Print and View menus in Photoshop. I assume they are: Color Management: Proof
Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
Printer Profile: Working CMYK – US Web Coated ((SWOP) v2)) Proof Setup: Epson Stylus r1900
Stimulate Paper Color

View Proof Setup: Custom
Device to Simulate: Working CMYK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2 Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
Black Point Compensation
Simulate Paper Color

If these are your settings, than they are WRONG! These settings are for a generic CMYK printing press, not for your Epson printer.

You have to pick a printer profile of the Epson Stylus R1900 printer, which is NOT the same as ‘Working CMYK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2)’. In fact, these printer profiles are RGB-based, even though the printer obviously uses CYMK-based inks. The reason is that the printer driver expects RGB input, not CMYK input. The name of the printer profile will reflect the paper choice, so it will be something like ‘SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto’.

Could you please tell me the right settings to use if I want to make Photoshop manage the color and use Premium Photo Paper Glossy?

Color Management: Document
Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
Printer Profile: SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto
Rendering Intent: Relative Colorimetric
Black Point Compensation

If you want to see simulation of what your print will look like (so you can correct it if you don’t like what you see), use the following sttings in Photoshop. This is what we call a ‘soft proof’.

View – Proof Setup: Custom
Device to Simulate: SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto
Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
Black Point Compensation
Simulate Paper Color

Then, when the printer dialog comes up, turn OFF color management in the printer driver (because Photoshop is already taking care of it). Read the manual that comes with your printer if you don’t know how to do that, or go to this website (see the links at the bottom of the page) :http://www.computer-darkroom.com/ps10_print/ps10_print_1.ht m

—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com

Johan you have given excellent answers and they have answered all the questions but one final one. That final one being which way do you find gives the best results: Photoshop or Printer managing color. I want to be able to print and get the print to look as close as possible to what I as seeing on my monitor. I just thought of another question, sorry, if you are using a third party paper like Kodak what do you suggest for color management? Thanks again I really appreciate everyones help here and that has made my learning process so much more pleasant and actually enjoyable. You guys have been great!

I hope you don’t mind if I reply to the question you ask Johan:
You know you can try it both ways. Turn off PS manages color and set everything with the printer software and make a print and then turn on PS manages color and disable that in your printer software and print the same thing again.

Different settings in the printer software will have it print what it thinks is a good print. You probably need to play around with your new printer. Which is not a bad thing.

Do you use some kind of monitor calibration software?

I don’t know about third party paper since I only use Epson paper when I print photos.

—
JD..

JD you asked me to stop back and let you know what I thought of the Epson 1900 printer when I used it so I am back. I only printed one picture on plane paper and the same one on the Photo Paper Glossy both of the papers you recommended and both of them 8×10. I used the Printer to manage the color. They both came out I would say about as close to what the looked like on the monitor as possible. So thus far I would say great. It prints on the slow side but that is fine if the prints come out that good. I normally use the most expensive paper for the Canon printer but using the Photo Paper Glossy for the Epson which isn’t the most expensive paper they have you get a very good print, I guess as good as their top paper which I assume is just a heavier weight. I want to thank everyone here for their help in this matter since thanks to you all I am very happy with my choice at this point.

On Nov 2, 3:31 pm, JD wrote:

RDOC wrote:

On Nov 2, 12:40 pm, (Johan W. Elzenga) wrote:

RDOC wrote:

Ok than could you tell me the rest of the settings that you select in the Print and View menus in Photoshop. I assume they are: Color Management: Proof
Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
Printer Profile: Working CMYK – US Web Coated ((SWOP) v2)) Proof Setup: Epson Stylus r1900
Stimulate Paper Color

View Proof Setup: Custom
Device to Simulate: Working CMYK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2 Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
Black Point Compensation
Simulate Paper Color

If these are your settings, than they are WRONG! These settings are for a generic CMYK printing press, not for your Epson printer.

You have to pick a printer profile of the Epson Stylus R1900 printer, which is NOT the same as ‘Working CMYK – US Web Coated (SWOP) v2)’. In fact, these printer profiles are RGB-based, even though the printer obviously uses CYMK-based inks. The reason is that the printer driver expects RGB input, not CMYK input. The name of the printer profile will reflect the paper choice, so it will be something like ‘SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto’.

Could you please tell me the right settings to use if I want to make Photoshop manage the color and use Premium Photo Paper Glossy?

Color Management: Document
Color Handling: Photoshop Handles Color
Printer Profile: SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto
Rendering Intent: Relative Colorimetric
Black Point Compensation

If you want to see simulation of what your print will look like (so you can correct it if you don’t like what you see), use the following sttings in Photoshop. This is what we call a ‘soft proof’.

View – Proof Setup: Custom
Device to Simulate: SPR1900 PrmGlsy BstPhoto
Rendering Intent: Relative Colormetric
Black Point Compensation
Simulate Paper Color

Then, when the printer dialog comes up, turn OFF color management in the printer driver (because Photoshop is already taking care of it). Read the manual that comes with your printer if you don’t know how to do that, or go to this website (see the links at the bottom of the page) :http://www.computer-darkroom.com/ps10_print/ps10_print_1.ht m

—
Johan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.com

Johan you have given excellent answers and they have answered all the questions but one final one. That final one being which way do you find gives the best results: Photoshop or Printer managing color. I want to be able to print and get the print to look as close as possible to what I as seeing on my monitor. I just thought of another question, sorry, if you are using a third party paper like Kodak what do you suggest for color management? Thanks again I really appreciate everyones help here and that has made my learning process so much more pleasant and actually enjoyable. You guys have been great!

I hope you don’t mind if I reply to the question you ask Johan:
You know you can try it both ways. Turn off PS manages color and set everything with the printer software and make a print and then turn on PS manages color and disable that in your printer software and print the same thing again.

Different settings in the printer software will have it print what it thinks is a good print. You probably need to play around with your new printer. Which is not a bad thing.

Do you use some kind of monitor calibration software?

I don’t know about third party paper since I only use Epson paper when I print photos.

—
JD..

JD you asked me to stop back and let you know what I thought of the Epson 1900 printer when I used it so I am back. I only printed one picture on plane paper and the same one on the Photo Paper Glossy both of the papers you recommended and both of them 8×10. I used the Printer to manage the color. They both came out I would say about as close to what the looked like on the monitor as possible. So thus far I would say great. It prints on the slow side but that is fine if the prints come out that good. I normally use the most expensive paper for the Canon printer but using the Photo Paper Glossy for the Epson which isn’t the most expensive paper they have you get a very good print, I guess as good as their top paper which I assume is just a heavier weight. I want to thank everyone here for their help in this matter since thanks to you all I am very happy with my choice at this point.

RDOC wrote:

On Nov 2, 3:31 pm, JD wrote:

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I hope you don’t mind if I reply to the question you ask Johan:
You know you can try it both ways. Turn off PS manages color and set everything with the printer software and make a print and then turn on PS manages color and disable that in your printer software and print the same thing again.

Different settings in the printer software will have it print what it thinks is a good print. You probably need to play around with your new printer. Which is not a bad thing.

Do you use some kind of monitor calibration software?

I don’t know about third party paper since I only use Epson paper when I print photos.

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JD..

JD you asked me to stop back and let you know what I thought of the Epson 1900 printer when I used it so I am back. I only printed one picture on plane paper and the same one on the Photo Paper Glossy both of the papers you recommended and both of them 8×10. I used the Printer to manage the color. They both came out I would say about as close to what the looked like on the monitor as possible. So thus far I would say great. It prints on the slow side but that is fine if the prints come out that good. I normally use the most expensive paper for the Canon printer but using the Photo Paper Glossy for the Epson which isn’t the most expensive paper they have you get a very good print, I guess as good as their top paper which I assume is just a heavier weight. I want to thank everyone here for their help in this matter since thanks to you all I am very happy with my choice at this point.

Thanks for taking the time to let us know about your new printer. Enjoy!

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JD..