What program its used to create this maps?????

Marco,
In my opinion the best program for this type of stuff is Illustrator, if you know Freehand then that is a possibility.

Matt
"Iacono Marco" wrote in message

What program was used to create this maps?

http://www.guideiacono.it/piantine.htm

Thanks !

Marco.

An italian Vector program. Who knows? Not with lightwave, not photoshop, not pagemaker, is it not a tablet, therefore you’re pretty much crossposting to a whole bunch of erroneous newsgroups.

Hi other crosspost-victims!

"Iacono Marco" wrote in message

What program was used to create this maps?

http://www.guideiacono.it/piantine.htm

Thanks !

Marco.

Actually it could indeed be Lightwave, it could be Photoshop, and it could even have been put together in Pagemaker with a tablet.

I don’t read italliano so I donno if it says but wouldn’t be easier to find the owner of www.guideiacono.it/piantine.htm and ask him?

"except" wrote in message

An italian Vector program. Who knows? Not with lightwave, not photoshop, not pagemaker, is it not a tablet, therefore you’re pretty much crossposting to a whole bunch of erroneous newsgroups.

Hi other crosspost-victims!

"Iacono Marco" wrote in message

What program was used to create this maps?

http://www.guideiacono.it/piantine.htm

Thanks !

Marco.

I don’t know Italian either but this bit here ‘E’ un programma di cad’ suggests the maps were done with a CAD program.
John McGerr
"Iacono Marco" wrote in message

What program was used to create this maps?

http://www.guideiacono.it/piantine.htm

Thanks !

Marco.

I don’t know Italian either but this bit here ‘E’ un programma di cad’ suggests the maps were done with a CAD program.
John McGerr

There ya go! It was made with "Di CAD"….

O 🙂

"E’ un programma di cad sicuramente ed avr

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Let me help, because i’m italian too 🙂

"E’ un programma di cad sicuramente ed avr

On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:27:06 +0900, "Tesselator" wrote:

I don’t know Italian either but this bit here ‘E’ un programma di cad’ suggests the maps were done with a CAD program.
John McGerr

There ya go! It was made with "Di CAD"….

ROTFL. But no, there are no additional infos on that webpage – in fact, it’s made by the same guy who started this thread and basically it just says "what the hell did they use to do this stuff?!"

My guess is Curious World Maps, btw. Amazing piece of software, too bad about the price…

ADP.

Oh comeon tess, it wasnt made in LW or Pagemaker. Thats like building a skyscraper out of live ants. YEs, it IS possible…
Ps could, but highly doubtfull.

"Tesselator" wrote in message

Actually it could indeed be Lightwave, it could be Photoshop, and it could even have been put together in Pagemaker with a tablet.
I don’t read italliano so I donno if it says but wouldn’t be easier to find the owner of www.guideiacono.it/piantine.htm and ask him?

"except" wrote in message

An italian Vector program. Who knows? Not with lightwave, not photoshop,

not

pagemaker, is it not a tablet, therefore you’re pretty much crossposting

to

a whole bunch of erroneous newsgroups.

Hi other crosspost-victims!

"Iacono Marco" wrote in message

What program was used to create this maps?

http://www.guideiacono.it/piantine.htm

Thanks !

Marco.

I donno… I had a student get his entry for the Wavey awards rejected twice cuz they didn’t believe it was made in LW. They backed down when I sicked the principal on them. But it looked almost like the same style as those stills shown in this example.

So I really gotta say that while they probably aren’t LW there’s *no way* I would claim to /know/ with _any_ defree of certainty.

Even moreso now that it’s been established that the text messages were written by the same guy who originally asked about it here.

Oh comeon tess, it wasnt made in LW or Pagemaker. Thats like building a skyscraper out of live ants. YEs, it IS possible…
Ps could, but highly doubtfull.

Actually it could indeed be Lightwave, it could be Photoshop, and it could even have been put together in Pagemaker with a tablet.
I don’t read italliano so I donno if it says but wouldn’t be easier to find the owner of www.guideiacono.it/piantine.htm and ask him?

"Iacono Marco" wrote in message

What program was used to create this maps?

http://www.guideiacono.it/piantine.htm

Thanks !

Marco.

On 10/22/03 12:40 PM, in article
K8Llb.1828$, "Joanne Weston"
wrote:

Marco,
In my opinion the best program for this type of stuff is Illustrator, if you know Freehand then that is a possibility.

I agree. Illustrator is the only way to fly.

Also, you can scale all you want without loosing quality.

"Robert Jennings" wrote in message

On 10/22/03 12:40 PM, in article
K8Llb.1828$, "Joanne Weston"
wrote:

Marco,
In my opinion the best program for this type of stuff is Illustrator,

if

you know Freehand then that is a possibility.

I agree. Illustrator is the only way to fly.

Err.. no.

Also, you can scale all you want without loosing quality.

Yes, but why do you think only illustrator does this?

http://www.xara.co.uk/products/xarax/

Paul

If your going to shell out your cash you may as well get the most for your money. As I said – In my opinion Illustrator is the best for this – I know Illustrator is the not the only one that does this, which is why I took the trouble to mention another popular app.

Matt

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"Robert Jennings" wrote in message

On 10/22/03 12:40 PM, in article
K8Llb.1828$, "Joanne Weston"
wrote:

Marco,
In my opinion the best program for this type of stuff is

Illustrator,

if

you know Freehand then that is a possibility.

I agree. Illustrator is the only way to fly.

Err.. no.

Also, you can scale all you want without loosing quality.

Yes, but why do you think only illustrator does this?

http://www.xara.co.uk/products/xarax/

Paul

Corel Draw is another excellent vector app. It’s had a lot of the Xara *new* features for years, and comes with CD’s full of clipart.

I’m not suggesting it’s better than Illustrator, or Xara, since I’ve never used these. But it is a good app, and comes with lot’s of other support apps, so it’s worth a look for those interested.

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"Joanne Weston" wrote in message

If your going to shell out your cash you may as well get the most for your money. As I said – In my opinion Illustrator is the best for this – I know Illustrator is the not the only one that does this, which is why I took

the

trouble to mention another popular app.

Matt

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On 10/22/03 12:40 PM, in article
K8Llb.1828$, "Joanne Weston"
wrote:

Marco,
In my opinion the best program for this type of stuff is

Illustrator,

if

you know Freehand then that is a possibility.

I agree. Illustrator is the only way to fly.

Err.. no.

Also, you can scale all you want without loosing quality.

Yes, but why do you think only illustrator does this?

http://www.xara.co.uk/products/xarax/

Paul

On 10/25/03 10:46 AM, in article
TOxmb.1046$, "Paul Andrews"
wrote:

"Robert Jennings" wrote in message

On 10/22/03 12:40 PM, in article
K8Llb.1828$, "Joanne Weston"
wrote:

Marco,
In my opinion the best program for this type of stuff is Illustrator,

if

you know Freehand then that is a possibility.

I agree. Illustrator is the only way to fly.

Err.. no.

Err yes!!

Also, you can scale all you want without loosing quality.

Yes, but why do you think only illustrator does this?

He never said that!! You are putting words in his mouth. He said " Also, you can scale all you want without loosing quality."

Most people already have Illustrator. I don’t know of anyone who has xarax.

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:53:35 -0600, "CWCunningham" <charlesw-at-blackfoot.net> wrote:

Corel Draw is another excellent vector app. It’s had a lot of the Xara *new* features for years, and comes with CD’s full of clipart.
I’m not suggesting it’s better than Illustrator, or Xara, since I’ve never used these. But it is a good app, and comes with lot’s of other support apps, so it’s worth a look for those interested.

Also, if you’re doing stuff that needs to end up on the web, Freehand is now a much better choice than it used to be. (yes, I know you don’t use vectors on the web, but it has a number of features Illustrator doesn’t have and integrates well with DW and FW.

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"Jim Dynes" wrote in message

On 10/25/03 10:46 AM, in article
TOxmb.1046$, "Paul Andrews"
wrote:

"Robert Jennings" wrote in message

On 10/22/03 12:40 PM, in article
K8Llb.1828$, "Joanne Weston"
wrote:

Marco,
In my opinion the best program for this type of stuff is

Illustrator,

if

you know Freehand then that is a possibility.

I agree. Illustrator is the only way to fly.

Err.. no.

Err yes!!

If you haven’t checked out Xarax you are in no position to judge.

Also, you can scale all you want without loosing quality.

Yes, but why do you think only illustrator does this?

He never said that!! You are putting words in his mouth. He said " Also,

you

can scale all you want without loosing quality."

Most people already have Illustrator. I don’t know of anyone who has

xarax.

I do and have used it for years. If you have a few moments to spare you could try the trial out and take a look at the tutorials and forums: http://www.xaraxone.com/ many users of xarax are ex-illustrator users. Xarax is a well kept secret because the developers dont have adobe’s advertising $.

Xarax is fast, powerfull and easy to use.

Paul

"Joanne Weston" wrote in message

If your going to shell out your cash you may as well get the most for your money.

I would say Xarax is definitely the most for the money – it costs considerably less than illustrator and many Xarax users are ex-illustrator users. If someone is going to buy a program, then why not check out illustrator and Xarax?

Paul

In article , Hecate
wrote:

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:53:35 -0600, "CWCunningham" <charlesw-at-blackfoot.net> wrote:

Corel Draw is another excellent vector app. It’s had a lot of the Xara *new* features for years, and comes with CD’s full of clipart.
I’m not suggesting it’s better than Illustrator, or Xara, since I’ve never used these. But it is a good app, and comes with lot’s of other support apps, so it’s worth a look for those interested.

Also, if you’re doing stuff that needs to end up on the web, Freehand is now a much better choice than it used to be. (yes, I know you don’t use vectors on the web, but it has a number of features Illustrator doesn’t have and integrates well with DW and FW.

"Vectors on the web" is usually the domain of Flash / Shockwave. :o)

For "professional" use you really need to stick with Freehand or Illustrator if you want to make it easier to get a job – although some places may well use other applications, they are by far the minority …. at the moment.

Illustrator’s similarity to Adobe’s other products makes it ideal for a simple workflow using Acrobat, InDesign, Photoshop and/or GoLive, as well as being a part some of Adobe’s bundle boxes (which makes it cheaper too if you need to buy all/most of the applications at one time).

Helpful Harry
"Just trying to help whenever I can." :o)

For "professional" use you really need to stick with Freehand or Illustrator if you want to make it easier to get a job – although some places may well use other applications, they are by far the minority … at the moment.

All the printers we use for high-end stuff around here (Detroit) are very PC friendly… and CorelDRAW friendly as well. It’s been two or three years since I’ve seen Mac-only at at least 4 or 5 facilities in town… which is great. And ever since Corel got their EPS writer on track (with version 7 or 8, I believe) there’s been no trouble saving as EPS or Illustrator for the few times we’ve run across Mac-only services. Even the Kinko’s around here all have CorelDRAW. And Corel rocks when it comes to publishing PDF (at least v10 & v11) for print and more and more printers are going that way to be platform independent anyway. Low-res PDF for client approval and high-res PDF to the printer.

All in all, it’s like any of the "LW versus other 3D application" arguments; it’s personal preference… and the results have far more to do with WHO is using it than how "great" the software is.

take a look at the tutorials and forums:
http://www.xaraxone.com/

Very, very cool!

"Paul Andrews" wrote in message

"Joanne Weston" wrote in message

If your going to shell out your cash you may as well get the most for your money.

I would say Xarax is definitely the most for the money – it costs considerably less than illustrator and many Xarax users are ex-illustrator users. If someone is going to buy a program, then why not check out illustrator and Xarax?

You must work for the Xara co…

"Tesselator" wrote in message

"Paul Andrews" wrote in message

"Joanne Weston" wrote in message

If your going to shell out your cash you may as well get the most for

your

money.

I would say Xarax is definitely the most for the money – it costs considerably less than illustrator and many Xarax users are

ex-illustrator

users. If someone is going to buy a program, then why not check out illustrator and Xarax?

You must work for the Xara co…

Don’t be so silly. I just love the program and don’t like the fact that so many people don’t know of it and assume Adobe Illustrator is the only way to go.

Paul

"Paul Andrews" wrote in message

"Tesselator" wrote in message

"Paul Andrews" wrote in message

"Joanne Weston" wrote in message

If your going to shell out your cash you may as well get the most for your money.

I would say Xarax is definitely the most for the money – it costs considerably less than illustrator and many Xarax users are ex-illustrator users. If someone is going to buy a program, then why not check out illustrator and Xarax?

You must work for the Xara co…

Don’t be so silly. I just love the program and don’t like the fact that so many people don’t know of it and assume Adobe Illustrator is the only way to go.

Okay, I just thought because you said the same thing three times in a cross posted thread that you must have a vested interest of some kind. Especially when the Xara tools don’t compare favorably to the three top dogs.

Anyway, it’s not important if you are or not. I was just curious and Xara tools are very good generaly speaking!

"Tesselator" wrote in message

Okay, I just thought because you said the same thing three times in a

cross

posted thread that you must have a vested interest of some kind.

Especially

when the Xara tools don’t compare favorably to the three top dogs.
Anyway, it’s not important if you are or not. I was just curious and Xara tools are very good generaly speaking!

I might say that Xara is to Illustrator what Lightwave is to Maya.

As far as Xara tools not comparing favourably, I can only speak about XaraX and say that it is the tool of preference for many illustrators that have both XaraX and illustrator. I guess the same could be true for many 3D people who have both Lightwave and Maya or Lightwave and Max.

Anyway, for those that read the thread, they have the chance to look for themselves.

I kinda like following the underdog!

Paul

Anyway, for those that read the thread, they have the chance to look for themselves.

I kinda like following the underdog!

Paul

Ya, I know what you mean.

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:28:56 +1300, Helpful Harry
wrote:
Also, if you’re doing stuff that needs to end up on the web, Freehand

is now a much better choice than it used to be. (yes, I know you don’t use vectors on the web, but it has a number of features Illustrator doesn’t have and integrates well with DW and FW.

"Vectors on the web" is usually the domain of Flash / Shockwave. :o)

😉 Yes, well, I like to kep things simple ;_)

For "professional" use you really need to stick with Freehand or Illustrator if you want to make it easier to get a job – although some places may well use other applications, they are by far the minority … at the moment.

True, though Corel Draw has a good following for good reason. The latest iteration is far more useful (and more importantly, far more stable) than previous versions.

Illustrator’s similarity to Adobe’s other products makes it ideal for a simple workflow using Acrobat, InDesign, Photoshop and/or GoLive, as well as being a part some of Adobe’s bundle boxes (which makes it cheaper too if you need to buy all/most of the applications at one time).

That’s true too, though I find that you’re better off using best of breed rather than just tying yourself to one company’s products. Consequently, Go Live stays on my machine purely to he;lp out friends who’ve tried to use it and get stuck. For professional site construction, Dreamweaver is far and away the best. With vector apps, I use whatever is better for the job in hand – my current favourite is Freehand, though Corel Draw has it’s uses too. Illustrator is a way behind at the moment, though I would prefer to be able to prefer it, if you see what I mean 😉

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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:00:59 -0000, "Paul Andrews" wrote:

"Joanne Weston" wrote in message

If your going to shell out your cash you may as well get the most for your money.

I would say Xarax is definitely the most for the money – it costs considerably less than illustrator and many Xarax users are ex-illustrator users. If someone is going to buy a program, then why not check out illustrator and Xarax?

Xara X to give it it’s proper title, is a nice program,. but not the easiest to use. And it’s probably no worse than Illustrator. However, it doesn’t have the flexibility of the Corel Draw Suite, nor is it as good as what, IMHO, is the current market leader, Freehand And that’s not even mentioning Deneba Canvas which is also far more flexible in it’s ability to deal with both vector and bitmap images in the same image.

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On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:52:43 -0000, "Paul Andrews" wrote:

Anyway, for those that read the thread, they have the chance to look for themselves.

I kinda like following the underdog!

I just don’t like cleaning up after it.

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"Hecate" wrote in message

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:00:59 -0000, "Paul Andrews" wrote:

"Joanne Weston" wrote in message

If your going to shell out your cash you may as well get the most for

your

money.

I would say Xarax is definitely the most for the money – it costs considerably less than illustrator and many Xarax users are

ex-illustrator

users. If someone is going to buy a program, then why not check out illustrator and Xarax?

Xara X to give it it’s proper title, is a nice program,. but not the easiest to use.

I’m very surprised to hear that. Xara X is one of the simplest of programs to use, it doesn’t have myriads of buttons and settings and is very fast. Those that use it do so becuase of what it can do and it’s ease of use.

And it’s probably no worse than Illustrator. However,
it doesn’t have the flexibility of the Corel Draw Suite,

It’s a single program, not a suite, and is a fraction of the cost of the CorelDraw 11 suite.

nor is it as
good as what, IMHO, is the current market leader, Freehand And that’s not even mentioning Deneba Canvas which is also far more flexible in it’s ability to deal with both vector and bitmap images in the same image.

I couldn’t get on with Deneba Canvas. I use bitmap images often in XaraX, though I don’t attempt to retouch the bitmaps, except to mask, resize, or combine them. I find Xara X is great for this kind of work, as well as converting bitmaps to Adobe Illustrator or Flash format.

Hecate

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Paul

I believe this can be done easily with GIS (Geographical Information System) applications.

Waldo

"Iacono Marco" wrote in message

What program was used to create this maps?

http://www.guideiacono.it/piantine.htm

Thanks !

Marco.

Well my Dad can beat up your dad! And ALL my software is better than yours! So there! Nya nya nya!

"Paul Andrews" wrote in message

"Hecate" wrote in message

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 02:00:59 -0000, "Paul Andrews" wrote:

"Joanne Weston" wrote in message

If your going to shell out your cash you may as well get the most for

your

money.

I would say Xarax is definitely the most for the money – it costs considerably less than illustrator and many Xarax users are

ex-illustrator

users. If someone is going to buy a program, then why not check out illustrator and Xarax?

Xara X to give it it’s proper title, is a nice program,. but not the easiest to use.

I’m very surprised to hear that. Xara X is one of the simplest of programs to use, it doesn’t have myriads of buttons and settings and is very fast. Those that use it do so becuase of what it can do and it’s ease of use.

And it’s probably no worse than Illustrator. However,
it doesn’t have the flexibility of the Corel Draw Suite,

It’s a single program, not a suite, and is a fraction of the cost of the CorelDraw 11 suite.

nor is it as
good as what, IMHO, is the current market leader, Freehand And that’s not even mentioning Deneba Canvas which is also far more flexible in it’s ability to deal with both vector and bitmap images in the same image.

I couldn’t get on with Deneba Canvas. I use bitmap images often in XaraX, though I don’t attempt to retouch the bitmaps, except to mask, resize, or combine them. I find Xara X is great for this kind of work, as well as converting bitmaps to Adobe Illustrator or Flash format.

Hecate

veni, vidi, relinqui

Paul

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:03:55 -0000, "Paul Andrews" wrote:

Xara X to give it it’s proper title, is a nice program,. but not the easiest to use.

I’m very surprised to hear that. Xara X is one of the simplest of programs to use, it doesn’t have myriads of buttons and settings and is very fast. Those that use it do so becuase of what it can do and it’s ease of use.

I disagree, having used and discarded it.

And it’s probably no worse than Illustrator. However,
it doesn’t have the flexibility of the Corel Draw Suite,

It’s a single program, not a suite, and is a fraction of the cost of the CorelDraw 11 suite.

Yes, it is cheaper, and for me it shows it.

nor is it as
good as what, IMHO, is the current market leader, Freehand And that’s not even mentioning Deneba Canvas which is also far more flexible in it’s ability to deal with both vector and bitmap images in the same image.

I couldn’t get on with Deneba Canvas. I use bitmap images often in XaraX, though I don’t attempt to retouch the bitmaps, except to mask, resize, or combine them. I find Xara X is great for this kind of work, as well as converting bitmaps to Adobe Illustrator or Flash format.

Same as I obviously couldn’t get on with Xara X. For me it’s nice idea, shame about the interface.

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"Tesselator" wrote in message

Well my Dad can beat up your dad! And ALL my software is better than yours! So there! Nya nya nya!

I think you win the argument.. 😉

"Hecate" wrote in message

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:03:55 -0000, "Paul Andrews" wrote:

snip

Same as I obviously couldn’t get on with Xara X. For me it’s nice idea, shame about the interface.

OK, Hecate, I guess your horse isn’t thirsty.

Paul

"Paul Andrews"

Hey, can we compare Notepad and QuarkExpress next?

"Tesselator" wrote in message

"Paul Andrews"

Hey, can we compare Notepad and QuarkExpress next?

What does your dad think?

"Tesselator" wrote in message

Hey, can we compare Notepad and QuarkExpress next?

You mean there’s a difference?? ;o)

Helpful Harry
"Just trying to help whenever I can." :o)

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"Tesselator" wrote in message

Hey, can we compare Notepad and QuarkExpress next?

You mean there’s a difference?? ;o)

Helpful Harry
"Just trying to help whenever I can." :o)

LOL!!!

I donno… But I think NotePad must be better…
Just look how many X Quark Express users are using
it. And Price:Proformance wise, NotePad really kicks
butt! And such a simple elegant UI, so easy to learn
and use. I highly recommend you all give it a try.
Heck, if you run windows you don’t even need to download it — It’s so good MicroSoft put it on your HD for you.

O 🙂

Hecate …

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:03:55 -0000, "Paul Andrews" wrote:

Xara X to give it it’s proper title, is a nice program,. but not the easiest to use.

I’m very surprised to hear that. Xara X is one of the simplest of programs to use, it doesn’t have myriads of buttons and settings and is very fast. Those that use it do so becuase of what it can do and it’s ease of use.

I disagree, having used and discarded it.

It’s like sayin IQ test is stupid coz I can’t make a nice score in it 😉

And it’s probably no worse than Illustrator. However,
it doesn’t have the flexibility of the Corel Draw Suite,

It’s a single program, not a suite, and is a fraction of the cost of

the

CorelDraw 11 suite.

Yes, it is cheaper, and for me it shows it.

Yeah pencil is also cheaer than a fancy advertising 3 colors ball-pen and it shows it, but gues what will illustrator (not an app in this case 😉 choose to draw his ideas with?

And it’s probably no worse than Illustrator. However,
it doesn’t have the flexibility of the Corel Draw Suite,

It’s a single program, not a suite, and is a fraction of the cost of the CorelDraw 11 suite.

Yes, it is cheaper, and for me it shows it.

Yeah pencil is also cheaer than a fancy advertising 3 colors ball-pen and it shows it, but gues what will illustrator (not an app in this case 😉 choose to draw his ideas with?

Cammel Urine and a dead rat?

Hecate wrote:

Also, if you’re doing stuff that needs to end up on the web, Freehand is now a much better choice than it used to be. (yes, I know you don’t use vectors on the web,<SNIP>

You do if you’re A) using Flash, and B) smart.

Flash is an even better reason to use Freehand.

"Tesselator" …

And it’s probably no worse than Illustrator. However,
it doesn’t have the flexibility of the Corel Draw Suite,

It’s a single program, not a suite, and is a fraction of the cost of the CorelDraw 11 suite.

Yes, it is cheaper, and for me it shows it.

Yeah pencil is also cheaer than a fancy advertising 3 colors ball-pen and it shows it, but gues what will illustrator (not an app in this case 😉 choose to draw his ideas with?

Cammel Urine and a dead rat?

Pearls to swine.. 😉

On 28 Oct 2003 17:29:08 GMT, Seattle Eric wrote:

Hecate wrote:

Also, if you’re doing stuff that needs to end up on the web, Freehand is now a much better choice than it used to be. (yes, I know you don’t use vectors on the web,<SNIP>

You do if you’re A) using Flash, and B) smart.

Flash is an even better reason to use Freehand.

That is true if you’re using Flash sensibly. If, however, you’re building a site entirely from Flash, guaranteed to annoy just about everyone except the designers who think it’s "really cool", then no 😉

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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:41:53 +0900, "Tesselator" wrote:

Well my Dad can beat up your dad! And ALL my software is better than yours! So there! Nya nya nya!

Well, I just surrender then 😉

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On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:10:12 +1300, Helpful Harry
wrote:

"Tesselator" wrote in message

Hey, can we compare Notepad and QuarkExpress next?

You mean there’s a difference?? ;o)

Yes,,. Notepad is easier to use, doesn’t crash as often and has less bugs and better support 😉

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On 28 Oct 2003 00:42:50 -0800, (CreaMD) wrote:

Hecate …

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:03:55 -0000, "Paul Andrews" wrote:

Xara X to give it it’s proper title, is a nice program,. but not the easiest to use.

I’m very surprised to hear that. Xara X is one of the simplest of programs to use, it doesn’t have myriads of buttons and settings and is very fast. Those that use it do so becuase of what it can do and it’s ease of use.

I disagree, having used and discarded it.

It’s like sayin IQ test is stupid coz I can’t make a nice score in it 😉

No, it’s like saying I don’t agree with you. It so happens I live in a Democracy and we’re allowed to do that.

And it’s probably no worse than Illustrator. However,
it doesn’t have the flexibility of the Corel Draw Suite,

It’s a single program, not a suite, and is a fraction of the cost of

the

CorelDraw 11 suite.

Yes, it is cheaper, and for me it shows it.

Yeah pencil is also cheaer than a fancy advertising 3 colors ball-pen and it shows it, but gues what will illustrator (not an app in this case 😉 choose to draw his ideas with?

That depends on the Illustrator. This one uses Freehand, Corel Draw and Illustrator (definitely an app).

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Paul Andrews wrote:

You must work for the Xara co…

Don’t be so silly. I just love the program and don’t like the fact that so many people don’t know of it and assume Adobe Illustrator is the only way to go.
Paul

What I can’t figure out is why Freehand is so popular— it’ really seems ass-backwards compared to Illustrator, but many designers swear by it, and their favorite thing, the spline pen, is the thing I think is the worst aspect.

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On 28 Oct 2003 17:29:08 GMT, Seattle Eric wrote:

Hecate wrote:

Also, if you’re doing stuff that needs to end up on the web, Freehand is now a much better choice than it used to be. (yes, I know you don’t use vectors on the web,<SNIP>

You do if you’re A) using Flash, and B) smart.

Flash is an even better reason to use Freehand.

That is true if you’re using Flash sensibly. If, however, you’re building a site entirely from Flash, guaranteed to annoy just about everyone except the designers who think it’s "really cool", then no 😉

And isn’t Anark taking over flash? I thought flash was the old and Anark was the new?

And it’s probably no worse than Illustrator. However,
it doesn’t have the flexibility of the Corel Draw Suite,

It’s a single program, not a suite, and is a fraction of the cost of the CorelDraw 11 suite.

Yes, it is cheaper, and for me it shows it.

Yeah pencil is also cheaer than a fancy advertising 3 colors ball-pen and it shows it, but gues what will illustrator (not an app in this case 😉 choose to draw his ideas with?

Cammel Urine and a dead rat?

Pearls to swine.. 😉

Nah, Swine in the pearl bed. 😉

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:37:24 +0900, "Tesselator" wrote:

"Hecate" wrote in message

On 28 Oct 2003 17:29:08 GMT, Seattle Eric wrote:

Hecate wrote:

Also, if you’re doing stuff that needs to end up on the web, Freehand is now a much better choice than it used to be. (yes, I know you don’t use vectors on the web,<SNIP>

You do if you’re A) using Flash, and B) smart.

Flash is an even better reason to use Freehand.

That is true if you’re using Flash sensibly. If, however, you’re building a site entirely from Flash, guaranteed to annoy just about everyone except the designers who think it’s "really cool", then no 😉

And isn’t Anark taking over flash? I thought flash was the old and Anark was the new?

Well, it’s so new it hasn’t passed across my radar screen 😉

But the point you’re making is very valid. They’ll use whatever is the "next big thing" and just irritate the hell out of the people who actually want to *use* the site 🙂

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On 29 Oct 2003 03:09:24 GMT, Seattle Eric wrote:

Paul Andrews wrote:

You must work for the Xara co…

Don’t be so silly. I just love the program and don’t like the fact that so many people don’t know of it and assume Adobe Illustrator is the only way to go.
Paul

What I can’t figure out is why Freehand is so popular— it’ really seems ass-backwards compared to Illustrator, but many designers swear by it, and their favorite thing, the spline pen, is the thing I think is the worst aspect.

I went off Freehand about v.9 but as I had it I upgraded it to MX then 2004. It’s far better now and integrates well with the Macromedia suite. If you’re designing for the web it tends to be used more. In fact, I’ve gotten so used to it,. it’s the app I use the most for vectors. It’s improved a helluva lot. My second choice is Corel Draw and Illustrator comes a poor third now. And as there’s no way I’m going to buy an activation type Illustrator (i.e. Illustrator CS) it looks like I won’t be using it much any more.

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On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:37:24 +0900, "Tesselator" wrote:

"Hecate" wrote in message

On 28 Oct 2003 17:29:08 GMT, Seattle Eric wrote:

Hecate wrote:

Also, if you’re doing stuff that needs to end up on the web, Freehand is now a much better choice than it used to be. (yes, I know you don’t use vectors on the web,<SNIP>

You do if you’re A) using Flash, and B) smart.

Flash is an even better reason to use Freehand.

That is true if you’re using Flash sensibly. If, however, you’re building a site entirely from Flash, guaranteed to annoy just about everyone except the designers who think it’s "really cool", then no 😉

And isn’t Anark taking over flash? I thought flash was the old and Anark was the new?

Well, it’s so new it hasn’t passed across my radar screen 😉

Three years now I think. Quite mature. I think maybe the reason it didn’t spread faster is the Studio Version is $995.00 or so and other creator aps like LW, 3Ds, xSI, Maya, C4D, or 2D vector editors like your freehand there and others, etc. don’t have widely known export facilities to that format – if at all. The browser plug-in is a painless 10sec 4 click install tho. The stuff I see that’s Anark sure is pretty! It’s like Flash with game quality DX or OpenGL.

But the point you’re making is very valid. They’ll use whatever is the "next big thing" and just irritate the hell out of the people who actually want to *use* the site 🙂

Hehehe… Not sure that was my point but it sounds about right. :-/

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:59:10 +0900, "Tesselator" wrote:

Well, it’s so new it hasn’t passed across my radar screen 😉

Three years now I think. Quite mature. I think maybe the reason it didn’t spread faster is the Studio Version is $995.00 or so and other creator aps like LW, 3Ds, xSI, Maya, C4D, or 2D vector editors like your freehand there and others, etc. don’t have widely known export facilities to that format – if at all. The browser plug-in is a painless 10sec 4 click install tho. The stuff I see that’s Anark sure is pretty! It’s like Flash with game quality DX or OpenGL.

Thanks for the info. I’ll google it 🙂

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If Xarx can do spot colors with transparency or mesh grids with transparency and color, I’ll jump to it.

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"Tesselator" wrote in message

Okay, I just thought because you said the same thing three times in a

cross

posted thread that you must have a vested interest of some kind.

Especially

when the Xara tools don’t compare favorably to the three top dogs.
Anyway, it’s not important if you are or not. I was just curious and

Xara

tools are very good generaly speaking!

I might say that Xara is to Illustrator what Lightwave is to Maya.
As far as Xara tools not comparing favourably, I can only speak about

XaraX

and say that it is the tool of preference for many illustrators that have both XaraX and illustrator. I guess the same could be true for many 3D people who have both Lightwave and Maya or Lightwave and Max.
Anyway, for those that read the thread, they have the chance to look for themselves.

I kinda like following the underdog!

Paul

Yesterday I was playing with the brushes, etc. that get installed with Adobe Illustrator 9 and saw one that looked similar to the "map pins" I remember seeing on the original message’s image … but then again, they’re probably a fairly standard feature or easily created on any vector application.

Helpful Harry
"Just trying to help whenever I can." :o)

"Blair Maynard" wrote in message

If Xarx can do spot colors with transparency or mesh grids with

transparency

and color, I’ll jump to it.

XaraX does do spot colours, but all drawing objects set with transparency will go to CMYK separation..

Paul